Ibehre scores winner as U's secure vital win over Shrewsbury

Gazette: Ibehre scores winner as U's secure vital win over Shrewsbury Ibehre scores winner as U's secure vital win over Shrewsbury

Colchester United eased their relegation fears with a crucial 1-0 victory over fellow strugglers Shrewsbury Town.

Shrewsbury should have gone ahead in the seventh minute when Tom Eaves headed over unmarked from eight yards and Sam Walker then denied Eaves’ low shot soon after but Colchester warmed to the task after that.

They came close to taking the lead when skipper Brian Wilson’s excellent free-kick from the edge of the area slammed against the underside of the crossbar.

Jabo Ibehre’s shot then flashed just wide of the near post, before Colchester struck the woodwork again four minutes before half-time when Dominic Vose's long-range shot bounced off the crossbar.

Walker pushed away Paul Parry’s free-kick just before the break but the U's took the lead just before the hour when Ibehre did brilliantly to plant a low shot inside the far post, after Alex Gilbey's pass had picked out the striker in the area.

And that proved to be the winning goal for Colchester, who claimed a valuable three points.

For a full match report and pictures from the U's game against Shrewsbury, see Wednesday's Daily Gazette.

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9:56pm Tue 18 Mar 14

super waluigi says...

Nearly safe now.
Nearly safe now. super waluigi
  • Score: -24

10:08pm Tue 18 Mar 14

angryman!!! says...

Huge win, just need more of the same Saturday
Huge win, just need more of the same Saturday angryman!!!
  • Score: 31

10:12pm Tue 18 Mar 14

crazy comments says...

Only one word. Relief.
Only one word. Relief. crazy comments
  • Score: 40

10:14pm Tue 18 Mar 14

stevedawson says...

Ibehre top man keep him fit and we just might survive.
Ibehre top man keep him fit and we just might survive. stevedawson
  • Score: 32

10:44pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Noah4x4 says...

There was some tactical genius in this game that may have gone unnoticed by many. Well done Joe Dunne!....for example;....

Gavin Massey was withdrawn to the half way line to DEFEND whenever the U's had an attacking free kick or corner. At first this did seem odd, but when its benefit became evident; it then made sense. This step allowed an extra (taller) U's defender to get forward; hence an extra man in the box; and with no lack of width as at least one full back can then push forward whilst being covered by the very speedy Massey.

Then on those occasions when we did lose the ball and Shrewsbury broke dangerously on the counter attack; Gavin Massey's extra pace was repeatedly first to the ball in defence; when normally our somewhat slower defenders might have been caught flat footed. Then in a 'box to box' style; Massey could once again get forward in his more regular (winger) role. On reflection; it does make sense to use our fastest man to address any counter threat from fast running opposition forwards.

This was a super result against a side that have shown much resilience over the last month; and with Crawley beating Wolves; perhaps puts Saturday into context.
There was some tactical genius in this game that may have gone unnoticed by many. Well done Joe Dunne!....for example;.... Gavin Massey was withdrawn to the half way line to DEFEND whenever the U's had an attacking free kick or corner. At first this did seem odd, but when its benefit became evident; it then made sense. This step allowed an extra (taller) U's defender to get forward; hence an extra man in the box; and with no lack of width as at least one full back can then push forward whilst being covered by the very speedy Massey. Then on those occasions when we did lose the ball and Shrewsbury broke dangerously on the counter attack; Gavin Massey's extra pace was repeatedly first to the ball in defence; when normally our somewhat slower defenders might have been caught flat footed. Then in a 'box to box' style; Massey could once again get forward in his more regular (winger) role. On reflection; it does make sense to use our fastest man to address any counter threat from fast running opposition forwards. This was a super result against a side that have shown much resilience over the last month; and with Crawley beating Wolves; perhaps puts Saturday into context. Noah4x4
  • Score: -33

10:54pm Tue 18 Mar 14

southstand says...

So much better without morrison and brought bonne on later, vose and jabo were awesome, lets beat bristol saturday and hope the crowds lift, up the U's
So much better without morrison and brought bonne on later, vose and jabo were awesome, lets beat bristol saturday and hope the crowds lift, up the U's southstand
  • Score: 32

11:09pm Tue 18 Mar 14

United we stand says...

A piece of exceptional individual play from Jabo gave us the points that we deserved. That apart, very little quality from either side and not difficult to see why both are struggling.
Now imperative that we build on this with another three points on Saturday - that would certainly take the pressure off, least for the time being.
A piece of exceptional individual play from Jabo gave us the points that we deserved. That apart, very little quality from either side and not difficult to see why both are struggling. Now imperative that we build on this with another three points on Saturday - that would certainly take the pressure off, least for the time being. United we stand
  • Score: 24

11:18pm Tue 18 Mar 14

25414nora says...

Hard to believe this Shrewsbury side gave the Wolves a good game last week. I suppose like us they are fighting for their league 1 life.
Even though we dominated for much of the time, as long as the score remained 1- 0, I feared we might blow it.
Full credit to Joe and the lads, it's 3 points nearer to safety, but still a
lot to do, so as Joe said on BBC Essex.
I thought our defence, midfield, attack linked up much better tonight.
.and Jabo earned his M.O.T.M
Hard to believe this Shrewsbury side gave the Wolves a good game last week. I suppose like us they are fighting for their league 1 life. Even though we dominated for much of the time, as long as the score remained 1- 0, I feared we might blow it. Full credit to Joe and the lads, it's 3 points nearer to safety, but still a lot to do, so as Joe said on BBC Essex. I thought our defence, midfield, attack linked up much better tonight. .and Jabo earned his M.O.T.M 25414nora
  • Score: -7

11:51pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Medicated Soap says...

Hurrah for three vital points! Feeling massively relieved tonight, that at least on paper we now have decent opportunity to reach safety (hopefully) before the last day of the season!

It was refreshing to see some youthful exuberance injected into the side this evening after so many morose performances of late, with Gilbey and Vose adding some much-needed energy into proceedings. It’s also a vast improvement when we have a functioning Jabo upfront spearheading the U’s attack and not the well past his sell-by date Morrison.

That being said, Shrewsbury are by far and away the worst opposition side to visit the Community Stadium this season and were largely anonymous for long periods of the game. Despite the woeful standard of opposition we still struggled make our dominance count in terms of goals, which could’ve proved costly had Tom Eaves netted the easiest chance of the night early on. Well done to Jabo for providing the only bit of telling quality early in the second half to wrap the points with little resistance from the opposition thereafter. Against stronger opposition, of which we now have ten games ahead, there still a need for significant improvement to build on tonight’s crucial victory.

Final ten fixtures:

38 22/03/2014 Bristol City (H)
39 25/03/2014 Wolverhampton Wanderers (A)
40 29/03/2014 Notts County (A)
32 02/04/2014 Peterborough United (A)
41 05/04/2014 Tranmere Rovers (H)
42 12/04/2014 Stevenage (A)
43 18/04/2014 Oldham Athletic (H)
44 21/04/2014 Crewe Alexandra (A)
45 26/04/2014 Brentford (H)
46 03/05/2014 Walsall (A)

We should be able to get ten points from these, right?
Hurrah for three vital points! Feeling massively relieved tonight, that at least on paper we now have decent opportunity to reach safety (hopefully) before the last day of the season! It was refreshing to see some youthful exuberance injected into the side this evening after so many morose performances of late, with Gilbey and Vose adding some much-needed energy into proceedings. It’s also a vast improvement when we have a functioning Jabo upfront spearheading the U’s attack and not the well past his sell-by date Morrison. That being said, Shrewsbury are by far and away the worst opposition side to visit the Community Stadium this season and were largely anonymous for long periods of the game. Despite the woeful standard of opposition we still struggled make our dominance count in terms of goals, which could’ve proved costly had Tom Eaves netted the easiest chance of the night early on. Well done to Jabo for providing the only bit of telling quality early in the second half to wrap the points with little resistance from the opposition thereafter. Against stronger opposition, of which we now have ten games ahead, there still a need for significant improvement to build on tonight’s crucial victory. Final ten fixtures: 38 22/03/2014 Bristol City (H) 39 25/03/2014 Wolverhampton Wanderers (A) 40 29/03/2014 Notts County (A) 32 02/04/2014 Peterborough United (A) 41 05/04/2014 Tranmere Rovers (H) 42 12/04/2014 Stevenage (A) 43 18/04/2014 Oldham Athletic (H) 44 21/04/2014 Crewe Alexandra (A) 45 26/04/2014 Brentford (H) 46 03/05/2014 Walsall (A) We should be able to get ten points from these, right? Medicated Soap
  • Score: 33

7:02am Wed 19 Mar 14

Noah4x4 says...

I wish some 'fans' would give the team and particularly the manager more credit when deserved. Shrewsbury came to WHCS having secured draws in the last month against Wolves; Port Vale; Crawley and Coventry conceeding only ONE goal against these four top sides. It is true that they may have appeared comparitively weak in attack last night; but let's give some credit to our defence. On this evidence; the Shrews evidently do know how to defend even if they have trouble scoring. So credit to them for limiting the U's to one goal when we were overwhelmingly superior; and unlucky, once again hitting the woodwork twice. We have played far worse and scored three or four (example; Carlisle away).

The fact that Crawley beat Wolves then puts Saturday in greater perspective. We were were admittedly awful in West Sussex in the first half, but were then shut out by an excellent side notably in a 20 minute spell where we threw the kitchen sink at them; hit the woodwork twice (and went 4-4-2). I would add that so much criticism nad negativity has followed similar defeats to (say) Sheffield United; and look at the run of success that the Blades have since been on.

We now have to play most of the remaining sides struggling to beat the drop; and it will be a tough test as a result. But surely we would prefer our run-in; still with a game in hand over most; and with a five point and massive goal difference advantage already in the bag; than the run-in of others struggling below us that are still to face promotion chasing sides? Our modest league position reflects that we have already played eleven of the top fifteen teams twice (e.g. the exceptions being Wolves; Peterborough Brentford and Walsall).
I wish some 'fans' would give the team and particularly the manager more credit when deserved. Shrewsbury came to WHCS having secured draws in the last month against Wolves; Port Vale; Crawley and Coventry conceeding only ONE goal against these four top sides. It is true that they may have appeared comparitively weak in attack last night; but let's give some credit to our defence. On this evidence; the Shrews evidently do know how to defend even if they have trouble scoring. So credit to them for limiting the U's to one goal when we were overwhelmingly superior; and unlucky, once again hitting the woodwork twice. We have played far worse and scored three or four (example; Carlisle away). The fact that Crawley beat Wolves then puts Saturday in greater perspective. We were were admittedly awful in West Sussex in the first half, but were then shut out by an excellent side notably in a 20 minute spell where we threw the kitchen sink at them; hit the woodwork twice (and went 4-4-2). I would add that so much criticism nad negativity has followed similar defeats to (say) Sheffield United; and look at the run of success that the Blades have since been on. We now have to play most of the remaining sides struggling to beat the drop; and it will be a tough test as a result. But surely we would prefer our run-in; still with a game in hand over most; and with a five point and massive goal difference advantage already in the bag; than the run-in of others struggling below us that are still to face promotion chasing sides? Our modest league position reflects that we have already played eleven of the top fifteen teams twice (e.g. the exceptions being Wolves; Peterborough Brentford and Walsall). Noah4x4
  • Score: -19

8:01am Wed 19 Mar 14

down the line says...

Noah4x4 wrote:
There was some tactical genius in this game that may have gone unnoticed by many. Well done Joe Dunne!....for example;....

Gavin Massey was withdrawn to the half way line to DEFEND whenever the U's had an attacking free kick or corner. At first this did seem odd, but when its benefit became evident; it then made sense. This step allowed an extra (taller) U's defender to get forward; hence an extra man in the box; and with no lack of width as at least one full back can then push forward whilst being covered by the very speedy Massey.

Then on those occasions when we did lose the ball and Shrewsbury broke dangerously on the counter attack; Gavin Massey's extra pace was repeatedly first to the ball in defence; when normally our somewhat slower defenders might have been caught flat footed. Then in a 'box to box' style; Massey could once again get forward in his more regular (winger) role. On reflection; it does make sense to use our fastest man to address any counter threat from fast running opposition forwards.

This was a super result against a side that have shown much resilience over the last month; and with Crawley beating Wolves; perhaps puts Saturday into context.
Did you not notice that this so called tactical genius move by Joe Dunne was used in the Bradford game as well??
Hardly a tactical master stoke leaving your smallest player at the back for set pieces!
[quote][p][bold]Noah4x4[/bold] wrote: There was some tactical genius in this game that may have gone unnoticed by many. Well done Joe Dunne!....for example;.... Gavin Massey was withdrawn to the half way line to DEFEND whenever the U's had an attacking free kick or corner. At first this did seem odd, but when its benefit became evident; it then made sense. This step allowed an extra (taller) U's defender to get forward; hence an extra man in the box; and with no lack of width as at least one full back can then push forward whilst being covered by the very speedy Massey. Then on those occasions when we did lose the ball and Shrewsbury broke dangerously on the counter attack; Gavin Massey's extra pace was repeatedly first to the ball in defence; when normally our somewhat slower defenders might have been caught flat footed. Then in a 'box to box' style; Massey could once again get forward in his more regular (winger) role. On reflection; it does make sense to use our fastest man to address any counter threat from fast running opposition forwards. This was a super result against a side that have shown much resilience over the last month; and with Crawley beating Wolves; perhaps puts Saturday into context.[/p][/quote]Did you not notice that this so called tactical genius move by Joe Dunne was used in the Bradford game as well?? Hardly a tactical master stoke leaving your smallest player at the back for set pieces! down the line
  • Score: 20

9:04am Wed 19 Mar 14

Noah4x4 says...

Downtheline; I wasn't able to attend the Bradford game (the only home game I have missed in a number of seasons); but Massey wasn't used in this manner at Crawley; so this is the first time I had noticed this tactic.

He was also not alone; as the taller (but slower) Dickson or Wilson would also be back too. However; I have seen the highlights and neither Bradford goal came as a result of this; so how can you say that it didn't work? We lost that particular game because of completely different reasons (e.g. dire defending by the back four from a corner etc).

Frankly, I thought it worked really well as a tactic against the Shrews as it allowed us to play an extra attacking midfielder (David Wright was hence on bench); whilst the back four could keep its shape (e.g. we instead had width from two wingers and not from full backs straying too far forward); and we also had cover with seering pace (Massey) when our centre backs did get forward at our attacking free kicks. So often we have been punished on the break because we have had defenders committed forward at our set peices and then inadequate pace covering when we lost possession. This hence allowed us to play Vose; Massey; Watt; Gilbey; Ibrehe and Bean; surely our most attacking line up of the entire season (isn't that what fans wanted?) and suggests that 4-5-1 does work when we have the right personnel (e.g. not Morrison/Sears).
Downtheline; I wasn't able to attend the Bradford game (the only home game I have missed in a number of seasons); but Massey wasn't used in this manner at Crawley; so this is the first time I had noticed this tactic. He was also not alone; as the taller (but slower) Dickson or Wilson would also be back too. However; I have seen the highlights and neither Bradford goal came as a result of this; so how can you say that it didn't work? We lost that particular game because of completely different reasons (e.g. dire defending by the back four from a corner etc). Frankly, I thought it worked really well as a tactic against the Shrews as it allowed us to play an extra attacking midfielder (David Wright was hence on bench); whilst the back four could keep its shape (e.g. we instead had width from two wingers and not from full backs straying too far forward); and we also had cover with seering pace (Massey) when our centre backs did get forward at our attacking free kicks. So often we have been punished on the break because we have had defenders committed forward at our set peices and then inadequate pace covering when we lost possession. This hence allowed us to play Vose; Massey; Watt; Gilbey; Ibrehe and Bean; surely our most attacking line up of the entire season (isn't that what fans wanted?) and suggests that 4-5-1 does work when we have the right personnel (e.g. not Morrison/Sears). Noah4x4
  • Score: -15

9:25am Wed 19 Mar 14

We're not singing anymore!!! says...

Noah4x4 wrote:
I wish some 'fans' would give the team and particularly the manager more credit when deserved. Shrewsbury came to WHCS having secured draws in the last month against Wolves; Port Vale; Crawley and Coventry conceeding only ONE goal against these four top sides. It is true that they may have appeared comparitively weak in attack last night; but let's give some credit to our defence. On this evidence; the Shrews evidently do know how to defend even if they have trouble scoring. So credit to them for limiting the U's to one goal when we were overwhelmingly superior; and unlucky, once again hitting the woodwork twice. We have played far worse and scored three or four (example; Carlisle away). The fact that Crawley beat Wolves then puts Saturday in greater perspective. We were were admittedly awful in West Sussex in the first half, but were then shut out by an excellent side notably in a 20 minute spell where we threw the kitchen sink at them; hit the woodwork twice (and went 4-4-2). I would add that so much criticism nad negativity has followed similar defeats to (say) Sheffield United; and look at the run of success that the Blades have since been on. We now have to play most of the remaining sides struggling to beat the drop; and it will be a tough test as a result. But surely we would prefer our run-in; still with a game in hand over most; and with a five point and massive goal difference advantage already in the bag; than the run-in of others struggling below us that are still to face promotion chasing sides? Our modest league position reflects that we have already played eleven of the top fifteen teams twice (e.g. the exceptions being Wolves; Peterborough Brentford and Walsall).
Noah, I have to admire your enthusiasm but from your comments on here have to question if you have extremely low standards. Am I grateful for 3 points ? Of course I am. Is Joe a tactical magician ? Far from it. You said he was a genius for leaving Massey back at corners, allowing bigger defenders to attack, but did we score from any of those chances or come close to scoring from them ? I don't recall any!!!

I don't often agree with Medicated (in fact, this might be the first) but he is right in saying they were the worst team we've played against at WHCS this season. According to the BBC website, the stats for the match, we only managed two shots on target. Against a team who somehow managed to look worse than us.

I do hope we can get another win at the weekend and help to push us to safety but please excuse me if I don't get too carried away at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]Noah4x4[/bold] wrote: I wish some 'fans' would give the team and particularly the manager more credit when deserved. Shrewsbury came to WHCS having secured draws in the last month against Wolves; Port Vale; Crawley and Coventry conceeding only ONE goal against these four top sides. It is true that they may have appeared comparitively weak in attack last night; but let's give some credit to our defence. On this evidence; the Shrews evidently do know how to defend even if they have trouble scoring. So credit to them for limiting the U's to one goal when we were overwhelmingly superior; and unlucky, once again hitting the woodwork twice. We have played far worse and scored three or four (example; Carlisle away). The fact that Crawley beat Wolves then puts Saturday in greater perspective. We were were admittedly awful in West Sussex in the first half, but were then shut out by an excellent side notably in a 20 minute spell where we threw the kitchen sink at them; hit the woodwork twice (and went 4-4-2). I would add that so much criticism nad negativity has followed similar defeats to (say) Sheffield United; and look at the run of success that the Blades have since been on. We now have to play most of the remaining sides struggling to beat the drop; and it will be a tough test as a result. But surely we would prefer our run-in; still with a game in hand over most; and with a five point and massive goal difference advantage already in the bag; than the run-in of others struggling below us that are still to face promotion chasing sides? Our modest league position reflects that we have already played eleven of the top fifteen teams twice (e.g. the exceptions being Wolves; Peterborough Brentford and Walsall).[/p][/quote]Noah, I have to admire your enthusiasm but from your comments on here have to question if you have extremely low standards. Am I grateful for 3 points ? Of course I am. Is Joe a tactical magician ? Far from it. You said he was a genius for leaving Massey back at corners, allowing bigger defenders to attack, but did we score from any of those chances or come close to scoring from them ? I don't recall any!!! I don't often agree with Medicated (in fact, this might be the first) but he is right in saying they were the worst team we've played against at WHCS this season. According to the BBC website, the stats for the match, we only managed two shots on target. Against a team who somehow managed to look worse than us. I do hope we can get another win at the weekend and help to push us to safety but please excuse me if I don't get too carried away at the moment. We're not singing anymore!!!
  • Score: 26

9:32am Wed 19 Mar 14

totallyfootball says...

Joe Dunne is not, never has been nor ever will be a tactical genius, its not rocket science to throw your big fella's forward for corners/set pieces making sure you are not one on one or two on two at the back. Still three points won ugly is not to be dismissed, these sort of results make the difference on the last day!
Joe Dunne is not, never has been nor ever will be a tactical genius, its not rocket science to throw your big fella's forward for corners/set pieces making sure you are not one on one or two on two at the back. Still three points won ugly is not to be dismissed, these sort of results make the difference on the last day! totallyfootball
  • Score: 20

10:43am Wed 19 Mar 14

Noah4x4 says...

If my "standards were higher" I would probably support a premier league club. Instead, I support my local team and (admittedly) do watch them via blue & white tinted spectacles.. Isn't that what being a "fan" (...atic) means?

But what I love is goading you lot and watching folk rise to the bait. If Joe Dunne was instead José Mário dos Santos Mourinho and if WHCS was Stamford Bridge and the team had just defeated Barcelona 8-0; some would still moan. My contrasting attitude is that Joe Dunne is the only 'tactical genius' that we have (or need); so let's back him.

Under Boothroyd and Lambert at WHCS the U's were were winning better than 43% of matches; a feat never bettered by any manager's career record in our history; and still folk moaned about anything and everything; yet (IMHO) Layer Road was a rusty embarrassment. We are at last in a period of positive change after 75 years of languishing in the bottom tiers and in a Conference South Stadium. Let's be patient and see where it leads. This is already our longest continuous period in the third tier (or higher)

Fans from Luton; Stockport; Grimsby: Kidderminster: Wrexham; Darlington and many others would be delighted to change places with U's fans in Division One (and WHCS). There is NO fear of relegation; only better times on the horizon as the youth policy will bear fruit. Good luck to the U18's in the area final of the FA Youth Cup (please count how many have already made their debut in the first team).
.
If my "standards were higher" I would probably support a premier league club. Instead, I support my local team and (admittedly) do watch them via blue & white tinted spectacles.. Isn't that what being a "fan" (...atic) means? But what I love is goading you lot and watching folk rise to the bait. If Joe Dunne was instead José Mário dos Santos Mourinho and if WHCS was Stamford Bridge and the team had just defeated Barcelona 8-0; some would still moan. My contrasting attitude is that Joe Dunne is the only 'tactical genius' that we have (or need); so let's back him. Under Boothroyd and Lambert at WHCS the U's were were winning better than 43% of matches; a feat never bettered by any manager's career record in our history; and still folk moaned about anything and everything; yet (IMHO) Layer Road was a rusty embarrassment. We are at last in a period of positive change after 75 years of languishing in the bottom tiers and in a Conference South Stadium. Let's be patient and see where it leads. This is already our longest continuous period in the third tier (or higher) Fans from Luton; Stockport; Grimsby: Kidderminster: Wrexham; Darlington and many others would be delighted to change places with U's fans in Division One (and WHCS). There is NO fear of relegation; only better times on the horizon as the youth policy will bear fruit. Good luck to the U18's in the area final of the FA Youth Cup (please count how many have already made their debut in the first team). . Noah4x4
  • Score: -20

11:55am Wed 19 Mar 14

25414nora says...

Noah4x4 wrote:
If my "standards were higher" I would probably support a premier league club. Instead, I support my local team and (admittedly) do watch them via blue & white tinted spectacles.. Isn't that what being a "fan" (...atic) means?

But what I love is goading you lot and watching folk rise to the bait. If Joe Dunne was instead José Mário dos Santos Mourinho and if WHCS was Stamford Bridge and the team had just defeated Barcelona 8-0; some would still moan. My contrasting attitude is that Joe Dunne is the only 'tactical genius' that we have (or need); so let's back him.

Under Boothroyd and Lambert at WHCS the U's were were winning better than 43% of matches; a feat never bettered by any manager's career record in our history; and still folk moaned about anything and everything; yet (IMHO) Layer Road was a rusty embarrassment. We are at last in a period of positive change after 75 years of languishing in the bottom tiers and in a Conference South Stadium. Let's be patient and see where it leads. This is already our longest continuous period in the third tier (or higher)

Fans from Luton; Stockport; Grimsby: Kidderminster: Wrexham; Darlington and many others would be delighted to change places with U's fans in Division One (and WHCS). There is NO fear of relegation; only better times on the horizon as the youth policy will bear fruit. Good luck to the U18's in the area final of the FA Youth Cup (please count how many have already made their debut in the first team).
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Hey, well put Noah, a really good comment, particularly like your reference to "Jose Mano dos Santos Mourinho" and Chelsea...."CLASSIC"
...Also your Interesting stats. Your reference to other established clubs, who would gladly change places with us, so true.
A clever comment indeed Noah4x4.. That said however, I fear your wise words will fall on deaf ears, as there are a minority on here who are destined to remain forever in the realms of negativity.
[quote][p][bold]Noah4x4[/bold] wrote: If my "standards were higher" I would probably support a premier league club. Instead, I support my local team and (admittedly) do watch them via blue & white tinted spectacles.. Isn't that what being a "fan" (...atic) means? But what I love is goading you lot and watching folk rise to the bait. If Joe Dunne was instead José Mário dos Santos Mourinho and if WHCS was Stamford Bridge and the team had just defeated Barcelona 8-0; some would still moan. My contrasting attitude is that Joe Dunne is the only 'tactical genius' that we have (or need); so let's back him. Under Boothroyd and Lambert at WHCS the U's were were winning better than 43% of matches; a feat never bettered by any manager's career record in our history; and still folk moaned about anything and everything; yet (IMHO) Layer Road was a rusty embarrassment. We are at last in a period of positive change after 75 years of languishing in the bottom tiers and in a Conference South Stadium. Let's be patient and see where it leads. This is already our longest continuous period in the third tier (or higher) Fans from Luton; Stockport; Grimsby: Kidderminster: Wrexham; Darlington and many others would be delighted to change places with U's fans in Division One (and WHCS). There is NO fear of relegation; only better times on the horizon as the youth policy will bear fruit. Good luck to the U18's in the area final of the FA Youth Cup (please count how many have already made their debut in the first team). .[/p][/quote]Hey, well put Noah, a really good comment, particularly like your reference to "Jose Mano dos Santos Mourinho" and Chelsea...."CLASSIC" ...Also your Interesting stats. Your reference to other established clubs, who would gladly change places with us, so true. A clever comment indeed Noah4x4.. That said however, I fear your wise words will fall on deaf ears, as there are a minority on here who are destined to remain forever in the realms of negativity. 25414nora
  • Score: -15

11:57am Wed 19 Mar 14

totallyfootball says...

25414nora wrote:
Noah4x4 wrote:
If my "standards were higher" I would probably support a premier league club. Instead, I support my local team and (admittedly) do watch them via blue & white tinted spectacles.. Isn't that what being a "fan" (...atic) means?

But what I love is goading you lot and watching folk rise to the bait. If Joe Dunne was instead José Mário dos Santos Mourinho and if WHCS was Stamford Bridge and the team had just defeated Barcelona 8-0; some would still moan. My contrasting attitude is that Joe Dunne is the only 'tactical genius' that we have (or need); so let's back him.

Under Boothroyd and Lambert at WHCS the U's were were winning better than 43% of matches; a feat never bettered by any manager's career record in our history; and still folk moaned about anything and everything; yet (IMHO) Layer Road was a rusty embarrassment. We are at last in a period of positive change after 75 years of languishing in the bottom tiers and in a Conference South Stadium. Let's be patient and see where it leads. This is already our longest continuous period in the third tier (or higher)

Fans from Luton; Stockport; Grimsby: Kidderminster: Wrexham; Darlington and many others would be delighted to change places with U's fans in Division One (and WHCS). There is NO fear of relegation; only better times on the horizon as the youth policy will bear fruit. Good luck to the U18's in the area final of the FA Youth Cup (please count how many have already made their debut in the first team).
.
Hey, well put Noah, a really good comment, particularly like your reference to "Jose Mano dos Santos Mourinho" and Chelsea...."CLASSIC"

...Also your Interesting stats. Your reference to other established clubs, who would gladly change places with us, so true.
A clever comment indeed Noah4x4.. That said however, I fear your wise words will fall on deaf ears, as there are a minority on here who are destined to remain forever in the realms of negativity.
Negativity or reality.............
discuss!
[quote][p][bold]25414nora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noah4x4[/bold] wrote: If my "standards were higher" I would probably support a premier league club. Instead, I support my local team and (admittedly) do watch them via blue & white tinted spectacles.. Isn't that what being a "fan" (...atic) means? But what I love is goading you lot and watching folk rise to the bait. If Joe Dunne was instead José Mário dos Santos Mourinho and if WHCS was Stamford Bridge and the team had just defeated Barcelona 8-0; some would still moan. My contrasting attitude is that Joe Dunne is the only 'tactical genius' that we have (or need); so let's back him. Under Boothroyd and Lambert at WHCS the U's were were winning better than 43% of matches; a feat never bettered by any manager's career record in our history; and still folk moaned about anything and everything; yet (IMHO) Layer Road was a rusty embarrassment. We are at last in a period of positive change after 75 years of languishing in the bottom tiers and in a Conference South Stadium. Let's be patient and see where it leads. This is already our longest continuous period in the third tier (or higher) Fans from Luton; Stockport; Grimsby: Kidderminster: Wrexham; Darlington and many others would be delighted to change places with U's fans in Division One (and WHCS). There is NO fear of relegation; only better times on the horizon as the youth policy will bear fruit. Good luck to the U18's in the area final of the FA Youth Cup (please count how many have already made their debut in the first team). .[/p][/quote]Hey, well put Noah, a really good comment, particularly like your reference to "Jose Mano dos Santos Mourinho" and Chelsea...."CLASSIC" ...Also your Interesting stats. Your reference to other established clubs, who would gladly change places with us, so true. A clever comment indeed Noah4x4.. That said however, I fear your wise words will fall on deaf ears, as there are a minority on here who are destined to remain forever in the realms of negativity.[/p][/quote]Negativity or reality............. discuss! totallyfootball
  • Score: 15

11:58am Wed 19 Mar 14

BlueandWhiteBaz says...

This was a very necessary 3 points with the pressure starting to ramp up around them. Shrewsbury, I think, must have put an awful lot into coming away from Wolves with a 0 - 0 draw, because they were poor on the night. Having said that, they should have taken an early lead with a header that was more difficult to miss than to score. Apart from the free kick from Wilson and the 30 yard shot from Vose, both striking the cross bar, there was a lot of huff and puff with little end product in the first half.

The second half was better with a few more periods of exerting pressure on the visitors defence. Having said that, there was little in the way of creativity on show and when we did create there was no one in the box to take advantage. The goal that won the game was a superb piece of individualism from Jabo, who ran at the defence feinting first one way and then the other before hitting a low drive with his left foot just inside the far post.

Overall it was a very workman like effort and if this amount of endeavour was seen in every game there would be far fewer complaints and I suspect many more points. This is the sort of effort we now needed through to the end of the season. Keep it going U's.
This was a very necessary 3 points with the pressure starting to ramp up around them. Shrewsbury, I think, must have put an awful lot into coming away from Wolves with a 0 - 0 draw, because they were poor on the night. Having said that, they should have taken an early lead with a header that was more difficult to miss than to score. Apart from the free kick from Wilson and the 30 yard shot from Vose, both striking the cross bar, there was a lot of huff and puff with little end product in the first half. The second half was better with a few more periods of exerting pressure on the visitors defence. Having said that, there was little in the way of creativity on show and when we did create there was no one in the box to take advantage. The goal that won the game was a superb piece of individualism from Jabo, who ran at the defence feinting first one way and then the other before hitting a low drive with his left foot just inside the far post. Overall it was a very workman like effort and if this amount of endeavour was seen in every game there would be far fewer complaints and I suspect many more points. This is the sort of effort we now needed through to the end of the season. Keep it going U's. BlueandWhiteBaz
  • Score: 20

1:20pm Wed 19 Mar 14

GLADSTONE 1 says...

Firstly it was a big win and 3 much needed points. The first half both teams were very poor, the second half Colchester played the better football for the first 20 mins. Once we scored the goal we gave up and sit back to defend the game. In my opinion we should of pushed for the second gaol instead for sitting back.

Plus Shrewsbury were the weakest team I have seen at the WHCS this season.

Lets hope for win again sat.
Firstly it was a big win and 3 much needed points. The first half both teams were very poor, the second half Colchester played the better football for the first 20 mins. Once we scored the goal we gave up and sit back to defend the game. In my opinion we should of pushed for the second gaol instead for sitting back. Plus Shrewsbury were the weakest team I have seen at the WHCS this season. Lets hope for win again sat. GLADSTONE 1
  • Score: 17

1:38pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Noah4x4 says...

totallyfootball wrote:
25414nora wrote:
Noah4x4 wrote:
If my "standards were higher" I would probably support a premier league club. Instead, I support my local team and (admittedly) do watch them via blue & white tinted spectacles.. Isn't that what being a "fan" (...atic) means?

But what I love is goading you lot and watching folk rise to the bait. If Joe Dunne was instead José Mário dos Santos Mourinho and if WHCS was Stamford Bridge and the team had just defeated Barcelona 8-0; some would still moan. My contrasting attitude is that Joe Dunne is the only 'tactical genius' that we have (or need); so let's back him.

Under Boothroyd and Lambert at WHCS the U's were were winning better than 43% of matches; a feat never bettered by any manager's career record in our history; and still folk moaned about anything and everything; yet (IMHO) Layer Road was a rusty embarrassment. We are at last in a period of positive change after 75 years of languishing in the bottom tiers and in a Conference South Stadium. Let's be patient and see where it leads. This is already our longest continuous period in the third tier (or higher)

Fans from Luton; Stockport; Grimsby: Kidderminster: Wrexham; Darlington and many others would be delighted to change places with U's fans in Division One (and WHCS). There is NO fear of relegation; only better times on the horizon as the youth policy will bear fruit. Good luck to the U18's in the area final of the FA Youth Cup (please count how many have already made their debut in the first team).
.
Hey, well put Noah, a really good comment, particularly like your reference to "Jose Mano dos Santos Mourinho" and Chelsea...."CLASSIC"


...Also your Interesting stats. Your reference to other established clubs, who would gladly change places with us, so true.
A clever comment indeed Noah4x4.. That said however, I fear your wise words will fall on deaf ears, as there are a minority on here who are destined to remain forever in the realms of negativity.
Negativity or reality.............

discuss!
Negative or reality...discuss?

Delighted to do so....

In an earlier thread I demonstrated that the U's have only twice ended in the top six of the third tier (Division One) in the 55 years since the first football league restructure (and promoted once). We have also only made the top ten of the third tier eleven times. So why do so many fans expect a top ten finish in Division One is a gimme?

But FIVE of those top ten occasions are in the last SEVEN years; and all at WHCS. This season might possibly be the twelfth.

Frankly, U's fans have never had it so good as regards the level of football they are witnessing. OK, we often run into better teams assembled using £millions more and we are hence often second best. But our chanting "you will always be non-league' at Crawley might have deserved an echo prior to our arrival at WHCS; but maybe its that attitude that prevails amongst many?

The reality is that U fans have suffered over 60 years of languishing in Division Four (two) or the Conference; punctuated by merely the odd season in Division Three (One) followed by immediate relegation. But we have now had TWELVE consecutive seasons out of Division Four (Two) in the right direction and have a Chairman determined to keep us up here who deserves far more support and respect.

The negativity; I doubt if there will be any factual data in your reply......
[quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]25414nora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noah4x4[/bold] wrote: If my "standards were higher" I would probably support a premier league club. Instead, I support my local team and (admittedly) do watch them via blue & white tinted spectacles.. Isn't that what being a "fan" (...atic) means? But what I love is goading you lot and watching folk rise to the bait. If Joe Dunne was instead José Mário dos Santos Mourinho and if WHCS was Stamford Bridge and the team had just defeated Barcelona 8-0; some would still moan. My contrasting attitude is that Joe Dunne is the only 'tactical genius' that we have (or need); so let's back him. Under Boothroyd and Lambert at WHCS the U's were were winning better than 43% of matches; a feat never bettered by any manager's career record in our history; and still folk moaned about anything and everything; yet (IMHO) Layer Road was a rusty embarrassment. We are at last in a period of positive change after 75 years of languishing in the bottom tiers and in a Conference South Stadium. Let's be patient and see where it leads. This is already our longest continuous period in the third tier (or higher) Fans from Luton; Stockport; Grimsby: Kidderminster: Wrexham; Darlington and many others would be delighted to change places with U's fans in Division One (and WHCS). There is NO fear of relegation; only better times on the horizon as the youth policy will bear fruit. Good luck to the U18's in the area final of the FA Youth Cup (please count how many have already made their debut in the first team). .[/p][/quote]Hey, well put Noah, a really good comment, particularly like your reference to "Jose Mano dos Santos Mourinho" and Chelsea...."CLASSIC" ...Also your Interesting stats. Your reference to other established clubs, who would gladly change places with us, so true. A clever comment indeed Noah4x4.. That said however, I fear your wise words will fall on deaf ears, as there are a minority on here who are destined to remain forever in the realms of negativity.[/p][/quote]Negativity or reality............. discuss![/p][/quote]Negative or reality...discuss? Delighted to do so.... In an earlier thread I demonstrated that the U's have only twice ended in the top six of the third tier (Division One) in the 55 years since the first football league restructure (and promoted once). We have also only made the top ten of the third tier eleven times. So why do so many fans expect a top ten finish in Division One is a gimme? But FIVE of those top ten occasions are in the last SEVEN years; and all at WHCS. This season might possibly be the twelfth. Frankly, U's fans have never had it so good as regards the level of football they are witnessing. OK, we often run into better teams assembled using £millions more and we are hence often second best. But our chanting "you will always be non-league' at Crawley might have deserved an echo prior to our arrival at WHCS; but maybe its that attitude that prevails amongst many? The reality is that U fans have suffered over 60 years of languishing in Division Four (two) or the Conference; punctuated by merely the odd season in Division Three (One) followed by immediate relegation. But we have now had TWELVE consecutive seasons out of Division Four (Two) in the right direction and have a Chairman determined to keep us up here who deserves far more support and respect. The negativity; I doubt if there will be any factual data in your reply...... Noah4x4
  • Score: -14

1:42pm Wed 19 Mar 14

totallyfootball says...

The factual is the here and now and not what went on before Noah, people are paying good money and gambling which United team turns up on the day. The figures for next season will speak for themselves if nothing positive is done soon.
The factual is the here and now and not what went on before Noah, people are paying good money and gambling which United team turns up on the day. The figures for next season will speak for themselves if nothing positive is done soon. totallyfootball
  • Score: 18

8:36pm Wed 19 Mar 14

crazy comments says...

Noah goes on about the supporters of Luton, Southport Grimsby and Wrexham who would willingly change positions with us. Well if the likes of Noah and Nora continue to be happy with the present set up, then I'm sure we will be joining that brigade ourselves very shortly.
Noah goes on about the supporters of Luton, Southport Grimsby and Wrexham who would willingly change positions with us. Well if the likes of Noah and Nora continue to be happy with the present set up, then I'm sure we will be joining that brigade ourselves very shortly. crazy comments
  • Score: 13

8:53pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Noah4x4 says...

crazy comments wrote:
Noah goes on about the supporters of Luton, Southport Grimsby and Wrexham who would willingly change positions with us. Well if the likes of Noah and Nora continue to be happy with the present set up, then I'm sure we will be joining that brigade ourselves very shortly.
When we finish this season in the top half of Division One for the SIXTH time in eight seasons......having only achieved this status 11 times in our entire 76 year history; you probably still won't be happy.

Why waste your life being this moaning/miserable?
[quote][p][bold]crazy comments[/bold] wrote: Noah goes on about the supporters of Luton, Southport Grimsby and Wrexham who would willingly change positions with us. Well if the likes of Noah and Nora continue to be happy with the present set up, then I'm sure we will be joining that brigade ourselves very shortly.[/p][/quote]When we finish this season in the top half of Division One for the SIXTH time in eight seasons......having only achieved this status 11 times in our entire 76 year history; you probably still won't be happy. Why waste your life being this moaning/miserable? Noah4x4
  • Score: -12

9:07pm Wed 19 Mar 14

totallyfootball says...

Noah4x4 wrote:
crazy comments wrote:
Noah goes on about the supporters of Luton, Southport Grimsby and Wrexham who would willingly change positions with us. Well if the likes of Noah and Nora continue to be happy with the present set up, then I'm sure we will be joining that brigade ourselves very shortly.
When we finish this season in the top half of Division One for the SIXTH time in eight seasons......having only achieved this status 11 times in our entire 76 year history; you probably still won't be happy.

Why waste your life being this moaning/miserable?
Do you honestly believe they will be top half? I see them repeating last seasons scrap to the end! I will not be wasting my life being miserable or moaning, I will not be wasting my life being deluded ether!
[quote][p][bold]Noah4x4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crazy comments[/bold] wrote: Noah goes on about the supporters of Luton, Southport Grimsby and Wrexham who would willingly change positions with us. Well if the likes of Noah and Nora continue to be happy with the present set up, then I'm sure we will be joining that brigade ourselves very shortly.[/p][/quote]When we finish this season in the top half of Division One for the SIXTH time in eight seasons......having only achieved this status 11 times in our entire 76 year history; you probably still won't be happy. Why waste your life being this moaning/miserable?[/p][/quote]Do you honestly believe they will be top half? I see them repeating last seasons scrap to the end! I will not be wasting my life being miserable or moaning, I will not be wasting my life being deluded ether! totallyfootball
  • Score: 8

9:38pm Wed 19 Mar 14

25414nora says...

crazy comments wrote:
Noah goes on about the supporters of Luton, Southport Grimsby and Wrexham who would willingly change positions with us. Well if the likes of Noah and Nora continue to be happy with the present set up, then I'm sure we will be joining that brigade ourselves very shortly.
Aw come on Cra Craz 'hell I don't like calling you Crazy it sounds so rude.
Even tho you sometimes call me 'Nutty Nora', I forgive you for that.
I vote you change your call sign, how about naughty Norman ? or Peter Plank ?...No only joking..It''s.just good healthy banter.
Seriously tho I support Col U, but I don't go overboard, I can take it or leave it, If it weren't for my 2 grandsons, I'd probably be a fair weather supporter like you, 'Whoops' there I go again...Sorry.
[quote][p][bold]crazy comments[/bold] wrote: Noah goes on about the supporters of Luton, Southport Grimsby and Wrexham who would willingly change positions with us. Well if the likes of Noah and Nora continue to be happy with the present set up, then I'm sure we will be joining that brigade ourselves very shortly.[/p][/quote]Aw come on Cra Craz 'hell I don't like calling you Crazy it sounds so rude. Even tho you sometimes call me 'Nutty Nora', I forgive you for that. I vote you change your call sign, how about naughty Norman ? or Peter Plank ?...No only joking..It''s.just good healthy banter. Seriously tho I support Col U, but I don't go overboard, I can take it or leave it, If it weren't for my 2 grandsons, I'd probably be a fair weather supporter like you, 'Whoops' there I go again...Sorry. 25414nora
  • Score: -6

2:49am Thu 20 Mar 14

Boris says...

25414nora wrote:
crazy comments wrote:
Noah goes on about the supporters of Luton, Southport Grimsby and Wrexham who would willingly change positions with us. Well if the likes of Noah and Nora continue to be happy with the present set up, then I'm sure we will be joining that brigade ourselves very shortly.
Aw come on Cra Craz 'hell I don't like calling you Crazy it sounds so rude.
Even tho you sometimes call me 'Nutty Nora', I forgive you for that.
I vote you change your call sign, how about naughty Norman ? or Peter Plank ?...No only joking..It''s.just good healthy banter.
Seriously tho I support Col U, but I don't go overboard, I can take it or leave it, If it weren't for my 2 grandsons, I'd probably be a fair weather supporter like you, 'Whoops' there I go again...Sorry.
Nora, one thing you can't call Crazy is a fair weather supporter. Until recent years he only missed about 6 home games in 50 years. He still manages to attend quite often, even though he has to travel from Southampton or Scotland to do so. He deserves a medal.
.
I freely admit to being a fair weather supporter. Like you and Crazy, I remember the wonderful season (excluded from Noah's statistics) when it was only Benny Fenton's unsuccessful penalty against ITFC which stopped us from being promoted into the second tier. But that was when players played their hearts out, and you knew you were watching serious football, not take-it-or-leave-it entertainment.
Your grandsons keep you regular as a supporter, well, good for them. My grandson has to work hard for his GCSEs this year, which means his mum doesn't want him to go to midweek games in term time. I would have gone on my own, but after so many c r a p games, why would I have wanted to do that? Especially when the club charges you extra for buying your ticket on the day, an absurd policy when they are struggling to sell tickets. In the event, I missed Jabo's wonderful goal, but perhaps not a lot else.
Anyway, we have a home game again on Saturday, so we shall be there for that.
Up the U's.
[quote][p][bold]25414nora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crazy comments[/bold] wrote: Noah goes on about the supporters of Luton, Southport Grimsby and Wrexham who would willingly change positions with us. Well if the likes of Noah and Nora continue to be happy with the present set up, then I'm sure we will be joining that brigade ourselves very shortly.[/p][/quote]Aw come on Cra Craz 'hell I don't like calling you Crazy it sounds so rude. Even tho you sometimes call me 'Nutty Nora', I forgive you for that. I vote you change your call sign, how about naughty Norman ? or Peter Plank ?...No only joking..It''s.just good healthy banter. Seriously tho I support Col U, but I don't go overboard, I can take it or leave it, If it weren't for my 2 grandsons, I'd probably be a fair weather supporter like you, 'Whoops' there I go again...Sorry.[/p][/quote]Nora, one thing you can't call Crazy is a fair weather supporter. Until recent years he only missed about 6 home games in 50 years. He still manages to attend quite often, even though he has to travel from Southampton or Scotland to do so. He deserves a medal. . I freely admit to being a fair weather supporter. Like you and Crazy, I remember the wonderful season (excluded from Noah's statistics) when it was only Benny Fenton's unsuccessful penalty against ITFC which stopped us from being promoted into the second tier. But that was when players played their hearts out, and you knew you were watching serious football, not take-it-or-leave-it entertainment. Your grandsons keep you regular as a supporter, well, good for them. My grandson has to work hard for his GCSEs this year, which means his mum doesn't want him to go to midweek games in term time. I would have gone on my own, but after so many c r a p games, why would I have wanted to do that? Especially when the club charges you extra for buying your ticket on the day, an absurd policy when they are struggling to sell tickets. In the event, I missed Jabo's wonderful goal, but perhaps not a lot else. Anyway, we have a home game again on Saturday, so we shall be there for that. Up the U's. Boris
  • Score: 8

3:45pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Noah4x4 says...

Boris, I admire your loyalty to the U's; but you are talking about events that took place over sixty years ago when you mention Benny Fenton. That possibly reinforces why I have been struggling to identify many "glory years" occurring since then. Most of our seasons in the Third Tier (or higher) are very recent; and largely at WHCS (5 out of 11 occur in the last 7). But some interesting observations do arise from your mention of this great U's stalwart.

I am sure he was a great player and sadly, I didn't ever have the privilege of watching him; but Benny played his first game for West Ham in 1937. He then made his debut for Colchester United at the age 37 and played his last in 1958 at the age of 40 (104 appearances; 12 goals) and was player/manager from 1955 until 1963.

Making comparisons in respect of player attitudes across about six generations is a lovely sentiment; and how lovely it would be to witness a return of the courtesy and grace of his generation today; but that is a bonkers expectation. In 1958 Russia had just launched Sputnik. Yet today, we have satellites that have traveled so far that they have left our solar system and men permanently resident on the International Space Station. Football has traveled just as far in the same time....off this planet!

Apart from a few rare goalkeeping exceptions (and the miracle that is Kevin Phillips); few players aged 37 - 40 have the fitness or pace to appear in any modern Division One side. But even if that was possible today; comparing the usually far more responsible attitude of a mature man aged 37 (e.g. Benny) with the typical arrogance of an 18 - 21 year old is ridiculous; whether that comparison was made in 1958 or in today's less appealing attitudinal currency. After all, Benny Fenton was man not boy.

It is also just as ludicrous to generally compare the attitudes of younger players between 1958 and 2014 as it is comparing ticket prices; or the cost of pies; and the correlation isn't just about cash and inflation.

In 1947; when Jimmy Guthrie took over as chairman of the Players' Union the maximum wage was still only £12 PW (£10 in the summer). So when Benny Fenton was playing for the U's in this immediate post war period; it didn't matter if he played for Manchester or Colchester United; he would never expect to get particularly rich; nor have an agent; nor throw his toys out of his pram when he didn't like something. He knew he was far better off kicking a football than down a mine shaft.

It was not until 1961 that new PFA new chairman Jimmy Hill finally won abolition of maximum wage. Johnny Haynes becoming the first £100 PW .
By 1979 Peter Shilton was on £1,200 PW. 1995; Chris Sutton at Blackburn was the first £10,000 PW. Then in 1995; the Bosman ruling allowed out-of-contract players free transfers and therefore higher wages. 2000 - Roy Keane was the first £50,000 PW. 2000 -Sol Campbell was the first £100,000 PW.

I am not suggesting that current U's players are particularly well paid compared to the inflated egos that exist in the Premier Division; but their conditions of employment are completely different from Benny Fenton's in 1958 and that era of the maximum wage.

When a players short term contract runs out today; if he is any good as a footballer; his AGENT can simply tell his employer and manager (and hence us loyal fans) to get stuffed and he finds another club with deeper pockets (e.g. a bigger fan base). Benny and Ted Fenton never had that luxury. Fortunately; some things are changing with the Financial Fair Play Rules and a lot of out of contract players will soon have to adjust their sights as it will be more difficult to move.
Boris, I admire your loyalty to the U's; but you are talking about events that took place over sixty years ago when you mention Benny Fenton. That possibly reinforces why I have been struggling to identify many "glory years" occurring since then. Most of our seasons in the Third Tier (or higher) are very recent; and largely at WHCS (5 out of 11 occur in the last 7). But some interesting observations do arise from your mention of this great U's stalwart. I am sure he was a great player and sadly, I didn't ever have the privilege of watching him; but Benny played his first game for West Ham in 1937. He then made his debut for Colchester United at the age 37 and played his last in 1958 at the age of 40 (104 appearances; 12 goals) and was player/manager from 1955 until 1963. Making comparisons in respect of player attitudes across about six generations is a lovely sentiment; and how lovely it would be to witness a return of the courtesy and grace of his generation today; but that is a bonkers expectation. In 1958 Russia had just launched Sputnik. Yet today, we have satellites that have traveled so far that they have left our solar system and men permanently resident on the International Space Station. Football has traveled just as far in the same time....off this planet! Apart from a few rare goalkeeping exceptions (and the miracle that is Kevin Phillips); few players aged 37 - 40 have the fitness or pace to appear in any modern Division One side. But even if that was possible today; comparing the usually far more responsible attitude of a mature man aged 37 (e.g. Benny) with the typical arrogance of an 18 - 21 year old is ridiculous; whether that comparison was made in 1958 or in today's less appealing attitudinal currency. After all, Benny Fenton was man not boy. It is also just as ludicrous to generally compare the attitudes of younger players between 1958 and 2014 as it is comparing ticket prices; or the cost of pies; and the correlation isn't just about cash and inflation. In 1947; when Jimmy Guthrie took over as chairman of the Players' Union the maximum wage was still only £12 PW (£10 in the summer). So when Benny Fenton was playing for the U's in this immediate post war period; it didn't matter if he played for Manchester or Colchester United; he would never expect to get particularly rich; nor have an agent; nor throw his toys out of his pram when he didn't like something. He knew he was far better off kicking a football than down a mine shaft. It was not until 1961 that new PFA new chairman Jimmy Hill finally won abolition of maximum wage. Johnny Haynes becoming the first £100 PW . By 1979 Peter Shilton was on £1,200 PW. 1995; Chris Sutton at Blackburn was the first £10,000 PW. Then in 1995; the Bosman ruling allowed out-of-contract players free transfers and therefore higher wages. 2000 - Roy Keane was the first £50,000 PW. 2000 -Sol Campbell was the first £100,000 PW. I am not suggesting that current U's players are particularly well paid compared to the inflated egos that exist in the Premier Division; but their conditions of employment are completely different from Benny Fenton's in 1958 and that era of the maximum wage. When a players short term contract runs out today; if he is any good as a footballer; his AGENT can simply tell his employer and manager (and hence us loyal fans) to get stuffed and he finds another club with deeper pockets (e.g. a bigger fan base). Benny and Ted Fenton never had that luxury. Fortunately; some things are changing with the Financial Fair Play Rules and a lot of out of contract players will soon have to adjust their sights as it will be more difficult to move. Noah4x4
  • Score: -8

3:55pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Noah4x4 says...

I meant to say most of our eleven seasons in the TOP HALF of the third tier have occurred in recent years. Sorry for this typo.
I meant to say most of our eleven seasons in the TOP HALF of the third tier have occurred in recent years. Sorry for this typo. Noah4x4
  • Score: -5

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