We weren't good enough, admits U's assistant manager Kinsella

Gazette: Dejected - Colchester United assistant manager Mark Kinsella admitted there were few positives for them to take from their 4-0 defeat at the hands of Notts County. Dejected - Colchester United assistant manager Mark Kinsella admitted there were few positives for them to take from their 4-0 defeat at the hands of Notts County.

Colchester United assistant manager Mark Kinsella admitted their 4-0 home defeat against Notts County was "hugely disappointing".

The U's were thrashed by a Magpies side who had started the day bottom of the League One table and without a league away win all season.

Kinsella said: “You can’t paper over the cracks – the performance just wasn’t good enough and we can’t accept it.

“It was hugely disappointing.

“Everyone expects you to beat the bottom of the table side when they come to your home ground.

“We did our homework on them and they’re not as bad as their league position suggests.

“They’ve got some talented players and they’re an attacking threat and we knew that but it was disappointing and we never really gave ourselves a chance.

“It’s difficult to put your finger on why it happened but there are a lot of clubs and managers in the same boat.

“Once the players go out on the pitch it’s down to them and it’s very disappointing when we don’t put all we worked on out on the pitch.

“We never got a foothold in the game and we always seemed to be chasing it.

“At 2-0 we had a go in the second half but with the quality that they’ve got, if you leave them space they’re going to cause you problems and they scored two before the end."

For five pages of coverage on the U's game with Notts County, see Monday's Daily Gazette.

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12:21pm Sun 15 Dec 13

super waluigi says...

Well said Mark Kinsella. There is no excuse losing 4-0 at home, even if it was Man U in the cup.
But Mark has opted to point this out several times, so there is no point in any of us (fans) doing the same.

The strange thing for me is that although we were awful, we ourselves could have had 4 goals. Morrison had a great chance on 3 minutes, magnus and Eastman both missed from 4 yards at 2-0 down, then Bonne had a good header saved late on in the game.
I guess that is why Notts County are bottom of the league. When you play a team as poor as Colchester was, and give them 4 chances too, then another team will take the.?
Well said Mark Kinsella. There is no excuse losing 4-0 at home, even if it was Man U in the cup. But Mark has opted to point this out several times, so there is no point in any of us (fans) doing the same. The strange thing for me is that although we were awful, we ourselves could have had 4 goals. Morrison had a great chance on 3 minutes, magnus and Eastman both missed from 4 yards at 2-0 down, then Bonne had a good header saved late on in the game. I guess that is why Notts County are bottom of the league. When you play a team as poor as Colchester was, and give them 4 chances too, then another team will take the.? super waluigi

12:33pm Sun 15 Dec 13

brig 1 says...

Same old U,s Always give the bottom clubs a leg up the ladder and they hardly ever look back from then on and push on from there. In 40 years nothing changes. Managers come and go and its still the same old failures at crucial times. Still up the U,s
Same old U,s Always give the bottom clubs a leg up the ladder and they hardly ever look back from then on and push on from there. In 40 years nothing changes. Managers come and go and its still the same old failures at crucial times. Still up the U,s brig 1

1:22pm Sun 15 Dec 13

down the line says...

Why was Mark Kinsella speaking to the press and not Joe Dunne? Hopefully Joe was in Robbie Cowlings office handing in his notice.
Why was Mark Kinsella speaking to the press and not Joe Dunne? Hopefully Joe was in Robbie Cowlings office handing in his notice. down the line

1:29pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Eddy D says...

I think enough has been said on this and the previous two posts in regards to this game. Clearly there is a lot of anger and frustration that has been boiling for some time too. As a club, which we are all part of as fans, somehow we need to find a way forward.

Would this be JD going? Perhaps,( although I for one would be gutted because I believe he can get it right), a number of people certainly feel this way but, assuming he did go, who would come in? if we were to be honest how attractive a proposition is Colchester Utd? A club where the whatever manager coming in would have little say in terms of recruitment as it is now openly stated that the investment is in youth. A club with, at best, a 5000 fan base.

It is all well and good saying to get rid of JD, as much as people wanted rid of Ward and AB before hand (who had us in and around the top 6 for most of his season in charge but we still failed to attract numbers due to his "style"). But is there a genuine replacement out there who could do better? There certainly isn't anyone who would care more.

I am by no means happy with what I have seen this season. The last two games were as bad as I have ever seen at the WHCS, (I missed the MK win so I refer to Notts and Swindon) and certainly would be the first to agree that something needs to change. It saddens me that we haven't got our best team available so we would be able to judge just how bad/ good we are. Drey Wright, Gavin Massey, Freddie Sears and Sanchez watt resemble probably 2/3 of our goals scored but I guess we'll never know what they could have added. I would accept that no matter how many they scored the truly inept defending and loss of possession that causes us to start seemingly 1-0 down each game.

Whatever happens in the comiing weeks I just hope we dont give away any more points to those around us. Beating the big teams wont keep us up or away from a relegation fight. We need points from those around us.

All I would say is that, however justified it may feel, booing a team and jeering them will only ever make things worse. It will make the players shaky and not take chances, make runs and will only instill more fear. Every uttering of frustration and distaste yesterday was undoubtedly justified. It was a shambles BUT it still will never help.

I guess we need to be careful what we wish for. I still think with our "best" team we are comfortably mid table. But, whilst we haven't got them, we need to do a whole lot better, show a lot more fight, at least get the basics right and 4-0 against Notts County certainlly is completely unnacceptable.
I think enough has been said on this and the previous two posts in regards to this game. Clearly there is a lot of anger and frustration that has been boiling for some time too. As a club, which we are all part of as fans, somehow we need to find a way forward. Would this be JD going? Perhaps,( although I for one would be gutted because I believe he can get it right), a number of people certainly feel this way but, assuming he did go, who would come in? if we were to be honest how attractive a proposition is Colchester Utd? A club where the whatever manager coming in would have little say in terms of recruitment as it is now openly stated that the investment is in youth. A club with, at best, a 5000 fan base. It is all well and good saying to get rid of JD, as much as people wanted rid of Ward and AB before hand (who had us in and around the top 6 for most of his season in charge but we still failed to attract numbers due to his "style"). But is there a genuine replacement out there who could do better? There certainly isn't anyone who would care more. I am by no means happy with what I have seen this season. The last two games were as bad as I have ever seen at the WHCS, (I missed the MK win so I refer to Notts and Swindon) and certainly would be the first to agree that something needs to change. It saddens me that we haven't got our best team available so we would be able to judge just how bad/ good we are. Drey Wright, Gavin Massey, Freddie Sears and Sanchez watt resemble probably 2/3 of our goals scored but I guess we'll never know what they could have added. I would accept that no matter how many they scored the truly inept defending and loss of possession that causes us to start seemingly 1-0 down each game. Whatever happens in the comiing weeks I just hope we dont give away any more points to those around us. Beating the big teams wont keep us up or away from a relegation fight. We need points from those around us. All I would say is that, however justified it may feel, booing a team and jeering them will only ever make things worse. It will make the players shaky and not take chances, make runs and will only instill more fear. Every uttering of frustration and distaste yesterday was undoubtedly justified. It was a shambles BUT it still will never help. I guess we need to be careful what we wish for. I still think with our "best" team we are comfortably mid table. But, whilst we haven't got them, we need to do a whole lot better, show a lot more fight, at least get the basics right and 4-0 against Notts County certainlly is completely unnacceptable. Eddy D

1:51pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Mr Honest says...

Too many loanees in the squad. Obviously our youth isn't as good as we thought. Any manager who lost 4-0 at home to the bottom team would be sacked elsewhere but we know Cowling is stubborn. His managerial appointments have been poor recently. Time for him to sell to an Arab.
Too many loanees in the squad. Obviously our youth isn't as good as we thought. Any manager who lost 4-0 at home to the bottom team would be sacked elsewhere but we know Cowling is stubborn. His managerial appointments have been poor recently. Time for him to sell to an Arab. Mr Honest

2:56pm Sun 15 Dec 13

crazy comments says...

Eddy D wrote:
I think enough has been said on this and the previous two posts in regards to this game. Clearly there is a lot of anger and frustration that has been boiling for some time too. As a club, which we are all part of as fans, somehow we need to find a way forward.

Would this be JD going? Perhaps,( although I for one would be gutted because I believe he can get it right), a number of people certainly feel this way but, assuming he did go, who would come in? if we were to be honest how attractive a proposition is Colchester Utd? A club where the whatever manager coming in would have little say in terms of recruitment as it is now openly stated that the investment is in youth. A club with, at best, a 5000 fan base.

It is all well and good saying to get rid of JD, as much as people wanted rid of Ward and AB before hand (who had us in and around the top 6 for most of his season in charge but we still failed to attract numbers due to his "style"). But is there a genuine replacement out there who could do better? There certainly isn't anyone who would care more.

I am by no means happy with what I have seen this season. The last two games were as bad as I have ever seen at the WHCS, (I missed the MK win so I refer to Notts and Swindon) and certainly would be the first to agree that something needs to change. It saddens me that we haven't got our best team available so we would be able to judge just how bad/ good we are. Drey Wright, Gavin Massey, Freddie Sears and Sanchez watt resemble probably 2/3 of our goals scored but I guess we'll never know what they could have added. I would accept that no matter how many they scored the truly inept defending and loss of possession that causes us to start seemingly 1-0 down each game.

Whatever happens in the comiing weeks I just hope we dont give away any more points to those around us. Beating the big teams wont keep us up or away from a relegation fight. We need points from those around us.

All I would say is that, however justified it may feel, booing a team and jeering them will only ever make things worse. It will make the players shaky and not take chances, make runs and will only instill more fear. Every uttering of frustration and distaste yesterday was undoubtedly justified. It was a shambles BUT it still will never help.

I guess we need to be careful what we wish for. I still think with our "best" team we are comfortably mid table. But, whilst we haven't got them, we need to do a whole lot better, show a lot more fight, at least get the basics right and 4-0 against Notts County certainlly is completely unnacceptable.
The most sensible post on here. I agree 100%. with Eddy D though we have often disagreed in the past. I do feel sorry for Joe, because the guy has the club in his heart and soul and does not deserve to be stabbed in the back right now. I guess he was hurting pretty bad after the game and was to upset to face the media. For me we have missed flank men Massey, Watt and Drey Wright. When things go bad, they go bad and all luck deserts you. For me Joe made a big mistake in trying to change things around to fast. The style of play he wanted to implement does not suit this league. You watch international games and see players that are outstanding for their teams but soon as they pull on a English Shirt fail. Llanna from Southampton is a prime example. Saints plays a different system to Roy Hodsons so he was lost in the England team. He is a brilliant player going forwards yet was stifled in the England defence set up. Joe would have been better blasting his players yesterday and let of steam himself and to let them know who is the boss. Personally I think this could be the end of the road for Joe, but it would give me great sadness to see him go. Get two good loan signings in January, though they may be costly to steady the ship.
[quote][p][bold]Eddy D[/bold] wrote: I think enough has been said on this and the previous two posts in regards to this game. Clearly there is a lot of anger and frustration that has been boiling for some time too. As a club, which we are all part of as fans, somehow we need to find a way forward. Would this be JD going? Perhaps,( although I for one would be gutted because I believe he can get it right), a number of people certainly feel this way but, assuming he did go, who would come in? if we were to be honest how attractive a proposition is Colchester Utd? A club where the whatever manager coming in would have little say in terms of recruitment as it is now openly stated that the investment is in youth. A club with, at best, a 5000 fan base. It is all well and good saying to get rid of JD, as much as people wanted rid of Ward and AB before hand (who had us in and around the top 6 for most of his season in charge but we still failed to attract numbers due to his "style"). But is there a genuine replacement out there who could do better? There certainly isn't anyone who would care more. I am by no means happy with what I have seen this season. The last two games were as bad as I have ever seen at the WHCS, (I missed the MK win so I refer to Notts and Swindon) and certainly would be the first to agree that something needs to change. It saddens me that we haven't got our best team available so we would be able to judge just how bad/ good we are. Drey Wright, Gavin Massey, Freddie Sears and Sanchez watt resemble probably 2/3 of our goals scored but I guess we'll never know what they could have added. I would accept that no matter how many they scored the truly inept defending and loss of possession that causes us to start seemingly 1-0 down each game. Whatever happens in the comiing weeks I just hope we dont give away any more points to those around us. Beating the big teams wont keep us up or away from a relegation fight. We need points from those around us. All I would say is that, however justified it may feel, booing a team and jeering them will only ever make things worse. It will make the players shaky and not take chances, make runs and will only instill more fear. Every uttering of frustration and distaste yesterday was undoubtedly justified. It was a shambles BUT it still will never help. I guess we need to be careful what we wish for. I still think with our "best" team we are comfortably mid table. But, whilst we haven't got them, we need to do a whole lot better, show a lot more fight, at least get the basics right and 4-0 against Notts County certainlly is completely unnacceptable.[/p][/quote]The most sensible post on here. I agree 100%. with Eddy D though we have often disagreed in the past. I do feel sorry for Joe, because the guy has the club in his heart and soul and does not deserve to be stabbed in the back right now. I guess he was hurting pretty bad after the game and was to upset to face the media. For me we have missed flank men Massey, Watt and Drey Wright. When things go bad, they go bad and all luck deserts you. For me Joe made a big mistake in trying to change things around to fast. The style of play he wanted to implement does not suit this league. You watch international games and see players that are outstanding for their teams but soon as they pull on a English Shirt fail. Llanna from Southampton is a prime example. Saints plays a different system to Roy Hodsons so he was lost in the England team. He is a brilliant player going forwards yet was stifled in the England defence set up. Joe would have been better blasting his players yesterday and let of steam himself and to let them know who is the boss. Personally I think this could be the end of the road for Joe, but it would give me great sadness to see him go. Get two good loan signings in January, though they may be costly to steady the ship. crazy comments

7:16pm Sun 15 Dec 13

candy box says...

It's all about the youth then why don't you just pick up the apremier league youth players what get released they are better than the ones a club like colu can bring through there ranks with there Sunday league coaches
It's all about the youth then why don't you just pick up the apremier league youth players what get released they are better than the ones a club like colu can bring through there ranks with there Sunday league coaches candy box

8:40pm Sun 15 Dec 13

stevedawson says...

Will we become the club with the best pile of breeze blocks in conference.with a regular tribute eleven football team.will the real elton stand up this summer.
Will we become the club with the best pile of breeze blocks in conference.with a regular tribute eleven football team.will the real elton stand up this summer. stevedawson

10:32pm Sun 15 Dec 13

25414nora says...

down the line wrote:
Why was Mark Kinsella speaking to the press and not Joe Dunne? Hopefully Joe was in Robbie Cowlings office handing in his notice.
this comment could be nearer the truth than you think. There's an ominous silence coming from manage Joe Dunne. It was like this once before, and resulted with Joe offering to resign. I suppose the vultures on here will be delighted, and waiting to pick the bones of the next victim. I could be wrong,
but I fear Colchester united is close to crisis. Personally I am very worried.
[quote][p][bold]down the line[/bold] wrote: Why was Mark Kinsella speaking to the press and not Joe Dunne? Hopefully Joe was in Robbie Cowlings office handing in his notice.[/p][/quote]this comment could be nearer the truth than you think. There's an ominous silence coming from manage Joe Dunne. It was like this once before, and resulted with Joe offering to resign. I suppose the vultures on here will be delighted, and waiting to pick the bones of the next victim. I could be wrong, but I fear Colchester united is close to crisis. Personally I am very worried. 25414nora

9:02am Mon 16 Dec 13

angryman!!! says...

I think everyone that's attached to the club is worried. We've been on a downward spiral since 2007. It doesn't help after having our best ever season that we've slowly slipped down since.
Seeing us fall down the table year on year, seeing us regularly getting knocked out the cup season upon season and watching the attendances getting smaller and smaller are of course sad for everyone who loves the club.
When dunne was appointed I really believed it was the right thing, a man that knows the club in and out and bleeds blue and white. I don't think it's mainly a reflection on dunne doing a bad job, he has taken over the club which has been in decay and been given no trek funding. It's a huge job to ask for a guy with little experience. I do question a lot of his decisions, bond coming on when were 2.0 down when we have vose on the bench he has been good in past games, releasing o'toole and white (woul have been a different story Saturday if White was playing) centre back at right back when tosin had already played that position this season and done ok.
I really don't think dunne will go, and if he does I'm not sure who will replace him. I do think however if not this season in the next couple we will end up back in the basement division.
Fingers crossed we have a good festive period and then when we get watt, Massey and drey back we can go on a run. The main thing fans can do is support who ever is in charge, well at least during the games. The players I think have been ultimately blame, I couldn't see one player who seemed bothered when the goals went in Saturday, so frustrating to see!
I think everyone that's attached to the club is worried. We've been on a downward spiral since 2007. It doesn't help after having our best ever season that we've slowly slipped down since. Seeing us fall down the table year on year, seeing us regularly getting knocked out the cup season upon season and watching the attendances getting smaller and smaller are of course sad for everyone who loves the club. When dunne was appointed I really believed it was the right thing, a man that knows the club in and out and bleeds blue and white. I don't think it's mainly a reflection on dunne doing a bad job, he has taken over the club which has been in decay and been given no trek funding. It's a huge job to ask for a guy with little experience. I do question a lot of his decisions, bond coming on when were 2.0 down when we have vose on the bench he has been good in past games, releasing o'toole and white (woul have been a different story Saturday if White was playing) centre back at right back when tosin had already played that position this season and done ok. I really don't think dunne will go, and if he does I'm not sure who will replace him. I do think however if not this season in the next couple we will end up back in the basement division. Fingers crossed we have a good festive period and then when we get watt, Massey and drey back we can go on a run. The main thing fans can do is support who ever is in charge, well at least during the games. The players I think have been ultimately blame, I couldn't see one player who seemed bothered when the goals went in Saturday, so frustrating to see! angryman!!!

10:19am Mon 16 Dec 13

totallyfootball says...

embarrassing to say the least, how much more are the fans expected to take? I have a couple of big cardboard boxes if you two want to clear your desks, clueless!
embarrassing to say the least, how much more are the fans expected to take? I have a couple of big cardboard boxes if you two want to clear your desks, clueless! totallyfootball

1:09pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mojo51 says...

For the last couple of seasons our defence has been poor but yet we have stayed with what we have. They have proven that they are not good enough time and time again, yet they still get a game week in week out, sorry but Magnus is just awful. On top of this we have a strikeforce that cannot buy a goal and requires a good shake up. In the last couple of seasons somehow we have acquired a team full of midfielders whilst the defence/ strikeforce should have been the priority. At present we have players that are not good enough (i.e Bond)for this division and some that are just not performing (i.e Eastmond).
Joe Dunne although a Col Utd man has proven this season that he really has not got the experience that is required to run a team on a shoestring (we are not the only team in this division with no money!). Cowling has supported him as much as can be expected with the revenue we generate by bringing in the loans that Dunne has asked for and also signing the players that he had requested. Ultimately Joe Dunne by being the manager has to take the blame for the performances and tactics of the team and as sad as it is I think it about time that he and his team stand down.
For the last couple of seasons our defence has been poor but yet we have stayed with what we have. They have proven that they are not good enough time and time again, yet they still get a game week in week out, sorry but Magnus is just awful. On top of this we have a strikeforce that cannot buy a goal and requires a good shake up. In the last couple of seasons somehow we have acquired a team full of midfielders whilst the defence/ strikeforce should have been the priority. At present we have players that are not good enough (i.e Bond)for this division and some that are just not performing (i.e Eastmond). Joe Dunne although a Col Utd man has proven this season that he really has not got the experience that is required to run a team on a shoestring (we are not the only team in this division with no money!). Cowling has supported him as much as can be expected with the revenue we generate by bringing in the loans that Dunne has asked for and also signing the players that he had requested. Ultimately Joe Dunne by being the manager has to take the blame for the performances and tactics of the team and as sad as it is I think it about time that he and his team stand down. mojo51

1:34pm Mon 16 Dec 13

totallyfootball says...

When you see who has been sacked lately you ask the obvious questions? I heard the name Sean O'Driscoll mentioned at the weekend?
When you see who has been sacked lately you ask the obvious questions? I heard the name Sean O'Driscoll mentioned at the weekend? totallyfootball

2:00pm Mon 16 Dec 13

candy box says...

If joe is sacked he be replaced by mark Kinsella thats how it works
If joe is sacked he be replaced by mark Kinsella thats how it works candy box

2:18pm Mon 16 Dec 13

totallyfootball says...

candy box wrote:
If joe is sacked he be replaced by mark Kinsella thats how it works
Well that will say so much about the ambition or lack of at this club because he has less nouse than Dunne!
[quote][p][bold]candy box[/bold] wrote: If joe is sacked he be replaced by mark Kinsella thats how it works[/p][/quote]Well that will say so much about the ambition or lack of at this club because he has less nouse than Dunne! totallyfootball

3:07pm Mon 16 Dec 13

down the line says...

Would somebody at the club explain to us why Joe Dunne didn't come out and talk to the press after the game. Yet again the club keeps there fans in the dark. Nothing changes.
Would somebody at the club explain to us why Joe Dunne didn't come out and talk to the press after the game. Yet again the club keeps there fans in the dark. Nothing changes. down the line

3:34pm Mon 16 Dec 13

BlueandWhiteBaz says...

The trouble with Colchester is we have too many players of poor character and it has come to the fore time and time again, none more so than on Saturday.
The trouble with Colchester is we have too many players of poor character and it has come to the fore time and time again, none more so than on Saturday. BlueandWhiteBaz

3:57pm Mon 16 Dec 13

angryman!!! says...

It's a joke the only thing to come out of the club on its web site or twitter, is about ticket news!!!! Really so you play like that, get hammered at home for the god knows how many times in recent seasons, no apologies just an expectation that we should all be willing to go spend our Christmas period watching more of the same!
It's a joke the only thing to come out of the club on its web site or twitter, is about ticket news!!!! Really so you play like that, get hammered at home for the god knows how many times in recent seasons, no apologies just an expectation that we should all be willing to go spend our Christmas period watching more of the same! angryman!!!

4:00pm Mon 16 Dec 13

down the line says...

Oh and how bad is that Tozer guy from Northampton? Joe, I think its a clue that he's a bad player when he is sub for the team that is 23rd in league 2!
Oh and how bad is that Tozer guy from Northampton? Joe, I think its a clue that he's a bad player when he is sub for the team that is 23rd in league 2! down the line

4:00pm Mon 16 Dec 13

super waluigi says...

Everyone on here needs to stop speculating on Joe Dunne. He did not do the press conference for what ever reason. Live with it for now, then move on. It means nothing really.

This thread is not about Joe Dunne, but personally, I think he needs at least another year. He never wanted to have Morrison playing on big wages, neither did he want £000,000 money to buy players and have to rely on free transfers and youth. He needs to be allowed time to ship out who he does not want, and spend the money accordingly. He kept us up last year, despite our worst run ever (under his guidance) and has us 3 points above the relegation line this year.

I remember our promotion season. We were relegation favourites and would have accepted 5th bottom that season. Many fans still accept that.
I don't lack ambition. I would love Colchester to get promoted again, but is that going to happen if we lose Dunne???? Probably not, because the new manager would have to get rid of Ward and Dunne signings.
Everyone on here needs to stop speculating on Joe Dunne. He did not do the press conference for what ever reason. Live with it for now, then move on. It means nothing really. This thread is not about Joe Dunne, but personally, I think he needs at least another year. He never wanted to have Morrison playing on big wages, neither did he want £000,000 money to buy players and have to rely on free transfers and youth. He needs to be allowed time to ship out who he does not want, and spend the money accordingly. He kept us up last year, despite our worst run ever (under his guidance) and has us 3 points above the relegation line this year. I remember our promotion season. We were relegation favourites and would have accepted 5th bottom that season. Many fans still accept that. I don't lack ambition. I would love Colchester to get promoted again, but is that going to happen if we lose Dunne???? Probably not, because the new manager would have to get rid of Ward and Dunne signings. super waluigi

4:49pm Mon 16 Dec 13

BlueandWhiteBaz says...

That's typical of Colchester to tell the punters absolutely nothing. I have come to the conclusion we are in the hands of a complete control freak.
That's typical of Colchester to tell the punters absolutely nothing. I have come to the conclusion we are in the hands of a complete control freak. BlueandWhiteBaz

5:30pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Medicated Soap says...

So there's STILL no announcement of Dunne's removal/departure then?!

The club has turned into a complete shambolic joke on and off the pitch! The current situation is beyond ludicrous; it’s glaringly obvious that Dunne has lost the dressing room, yet our Chairman appears to have placed his head in the sand seemingly oblivious to the fact that his manager has completely run out of sensible ideas. The consequences of failing to remove Dunne and his entire backroom staff is certain relegation to League Two, ergo by his inaction Robbie Cowling has demonstrated that he either wants relegation or more damningly simply doesn’t care where we are in the football pyramid.

You couldn’t make it up, there’s not even so much as an apology for Saturday’s scandalous showing just an advert for ticket sales; what planet are the people at this club living on?
So there's STILL no announcement of Dunne's removal/departure then?! The club has turned into a complete shambolic joke on and off the pitch! The current situation is beyond ludicrous; it’s glaringly obvious that Dunne has lost the dressing room, yet our Chairman appears to have placed his head in the sand seemingly oblivious to the fact that his manager has completely run out of sensible ideas. The consequences of failing to remove Dunne and his entire backroom staff is certain relegation to League Two, ergo by his inaction Robbie Cowling has demonstrated that he either wants relegation or more damningly simply doesn’t care where we are in the football pyramid. You couldn’t make it up, there’s not even so much as an apology for Saturday’s scandalous showing just an advert for ticket sales; what planet are the people at this club living on? Medicated Soap

5:38pm Mon 16 Dec 13

totallyfootball says...

Another year Super W, you need to get those delusional symptoms sorted out, get a young manager with a young team, what have you got to lose the rot has already set in with the other lot! Its a shambles!
Another year Super W, you need to get those delusional symptoms sorted out, get a young manager with a young team, what have you got to lose the rot has already set in with the other lot! Its a shambles! totallyfootball

5:38pm Mon 16 Dec 13

super waluigi says...

Medicated Soap wrote:
So there's STILL no announcement of Dunne's removal/departure then?!

The club has turned into a complete shambolic joke on and off the pitch! The current situation is beyond ludicrous; it’s glaringly obvious that Dunne has lost the dressing room, yet our Chairman appears to have placed his head in the sand seemingly oblivious to the fact that his manager has completely run out of sensible ideas. The consequences of failing to remove Dunne and his entire backroom staff is certain relegation to League Two, ergo by his inaction Robbie Cowling has demonstrated that he either wants relegation or more damningly simply doesn’t care where we are in the football pyramid.

You couldn’t make it up, there’s not even so much as an apology for Saturday’s scandalous showing just an advert for ticket sales; what planet are the people at this club living on?
Every season, you say that colchester will be relegated. One day, you may be right. After all, even Man U have been relegated before, but for now, try and focus your hatred towards our opposition rather than at our own manager who actually kept us up last season.
[quote][p][bold]Medicated Soap[/bold] wrote: So there's STILL no announcement of Dunne's removal/departure then?! The club has turned into a complete shambolic joke on and off the pitch! The current situation is beyond ludicrous; it’s glaringly obvious that Dunne has lost the dressing room, yet our Chairman appears to have placed his head in the sand seemingly oblivious to the fact that his manager has completely run out of sensible ideas. The consequences of failing to remove Dunne and his entire backroom staff is certain relegation to League Two, ergo by his inaction Robbie Cowling has demonstrated that he either wants relegation or more damningly simply doesn’t care where we are in the football pyramid. You couldn’t make it up, there’s not even so much as an apology for Saturday’s scandalous showing just an advert for ticket sales; what planet are the people at this club living on?[/p][/quote]Every season, you say that colchester will be relegated. One day, you may be right. After all, even Man U have been relegated before, but for now, try and focus your hatred towards our opposition rather than at our own manager who actually kept us up last season. super waluigi

5:43pm Mon 16 Dec 13

super waluigi says...

totallyfootball wrote:
Another year Super W, you need to get those delusional symptoms sorted out, get a young manager with a young team, what have you got to lose the rot has already set in with the other lot! Its a shambles!
I am not sure what Colchester you watch, but we have a young manager and young team!!!!
It's a bit of a cheek to call me deluded when it appears that you don't even go to the football.
[quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: Another year Super W, you need to get those delusional symptoms sorted out, get a young manager with a young team, what have you got to lose the rot has already set in with the other lot! Its a shambles![/p][/quote]I am not sure what Colchester you watch, but we have a young manager and young team!!!! It's a bit of a cheek to call me deluded when it appears that you don't even go to the football. super waluigi

5:45pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Toecap Joe says...

I have two sporting passions - Col U and cricket! Anyone got any suggestions for my future interests?
I have two sporting passions - Col U and cricket! Anyone got any suggestions for my future interests? Toecap Joe

5:50pm Mon 16 Dec 13

super waluigi says...

totallyfootball wrote:
Another year Super W, you need to get those delusional symptoms sorted out, get a young manager with a young team, what have you got to lose the rot has already set in with the other lot! Its a shambles!
Also.....

Could you elaborate on why I am deluded?
Sticks and stones and all that. No substance though.
[quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: Another year Super W, you need to get those delusional symptoms sorted out, get a young manager with a young team, what have you got to lose the rot has already set in with the other lot! Its a shambles![/p][/quote]Also..... Could you elaborate on why I am deluded? Sticks and stones and all that. No substance though. super waluigi

5:50pm Mon 16 Dec 13

totallyfootball says...

super waluigi wrote:
totallyfootball wrote:
Another year Super W, you need to get those delusional symptoms sorted out, get a young manager with a young team, what have you got to lose the rot has already set in with the other lot! Its a shambles!
I am not sure what Colchester you watch, but we have a young manager and young team!!!!
It's a bit of a cheek to call me deluded when it appears that you don't even go to the football.
I am involved with a club at a higher level for your information and have been involved in the game for over 30 years, so get rid of the rose tints mate, they may cause long term damage! I have watched three games this season but I won't be back until Dunne and Cowling do the honourable thing and quit!
[quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: Another year Super W, you need to get those delusional symptoms sorted out, get a young manager with a young team, what have you got to lose the rot has already set in with the other lot! Its a shambles![/p][/quote]I am not sure what Colchester you watch, but we have a young manager and young team!!!! It's a bit of a cheek to call me deluded when it appears that you don't even go to the football.[/p][/quote]I am involved with a club at a higher level for your information and have been involved in the game for over 30 years, so get rid of the rose tints mate, they may cause long term damage! I have watched three games this season but I won't be back until Dunne and Cowling do the honourable thing and quit! totallyfootball

6:07pm Mon 16 Dec 13

super waluigi says...

totallyfootball wrote:
super waluigi wrote:
totallyfootball wrote:
Another year Super W, you need to get those delusional symptoms sorted out, get a young manager with a young team, what have you got to lose the rot has already set in with the other lot! Its a shambles!
I am not sure what Colchester you watch, but we have a young manager and young team!!!!
It's a bit of a cheek to call me deluded when it appears that you don't even go to the football.
I am involved with a club at a higher level for your information and have been involved in the game for over 30 years, so get rid of the rose tints mate, they may cause long term damage! I have watched three games this season but I won't be back until Dunne and Cowling do the honourable thing and quit!
Hhhmmmm, I spy a porkie pie.
[quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: Another year Super W, you need to get those delusional symptoms sorted out, get a young manager with a young team, what have you got to lose the rot has already set in with the other lot! Its a shambles![/p][/quote]I am not sure what Colchester you watch, but we have a young manager and young team!!!! It's a bit of a cheek to call me deluded when it appears that you don't even go to the football.[/p][/quote]I am involved with a club at a higher level for your information and have been involved in the game for over 30 years, so get rid of the rose tints mate, they may cause long term damage! I have watched three games this season but I won't be back until Dunne and Cowling do the honourable thing and quit![/p][/quote]Hhhmmmm, I spy a porkie pie. super waluigi

6:14pm Mon 16 Dec 13

totallyfootball says...

super waluigi wrote:
totallyfootball wrote:
super waluigi wrote:
totallyfootball wrote:
Another year Super W, you need to get those delusional symptoms sorted out, get a young manager with a young team, what have you got to lose the rot has already set in with the other lot! Its a shambles!
I am not sure what Colchester you watch, but we have a young manager and young team!!!!
It's a bit of a cheek to call me deluded when it appears that you don't even go to the football.
I am involved with a club at a higher level for your information and have been involved in the game for over 30 years, so get rid of the rose tints mate, they may cause long term damage! I have watched three games this season but I won't be back until Dunne and Cowling do the honourable thing and quit!
Hhhmmmm, I spy a porkie pie.
What through those rose tints?
[quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: Another year Super W, you need to get those delusional symptoms sorted out, get a young manager with a young team, what have you got to lose the rot has already set in with the other lot! Its a shambles![/p][/quote]I am not sure what Colchester you watch, but we have a young manager and young team!!!! It's a bit of a cheek to call me deluded when it appears that you don't even go to the football.[/p][/quote]I am involved with a club at a higher level for your information and have been involved in the game for over 30 years, so get rid of the rose tints mate, they may cause long term damage! I have watched three games this season but I won't be back until Dunne and Cowling do the honourable thing and quit![/p][/quote]Hhhmmmm, I spy a porkie pie.[/p][/quote]What through those rose tints? totallyfootball

6:34pm Mon 16 Dec 13

super waluigi says...

totallyfootball wrote:
super waluigi wrote:
totallyfootball wrote:
super waluigi wrote:
totallyfootball wrote:
Another year Super W, you need to get those delusional symptoms sorted out, get a young manager with a young team, what have you got to lose the rot has already set in with the other lot! Its a shambles!
I am not sure what Colchester you watch, but we have a young manager and young team!!!!
It's a bit of a cheek to call me deluded when it appears that you don't even go to the football.
I am involved with a club at a higher level for your information and have been involved in the game for over 30 years, so get rid of the rose tints mate, they may cause long term damage! I have watched three games this season but I won't be back until Dunne and Cowling do the honourable thing and quit!
Hhhmmmm, I spy a porkie pie.
What through those rose tints?
Yup. Plus I would rather wear rose tinted glasses and be a bit biased towards my own people than carry I knife, ready to plung it between the shoulder blades of a friend or family member. That is you.

Well done for dodging the question on why I am deluded too. (Sarcasm)
[quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: Another year Super W, you need to get those delusional symptoms sorted out, get a young manager with a young team, what have you got to lose the rot has already set in with the other lot! Its a shambles![/p][/quote]I am not sure what Colchester you watch, but we have a young manager and young team!!!! It's a bit of a cheek to call me deluded when it appears that you don't even go to the football.[/p][/quote]I am involved with a club at a higher level for your information and have been involved in the game for over 30 years, so get rid of the rose tints mate, they may cause long term damage! I have watched three games this season but I won't be back until Dunne and Cowling do the honourable thing and quit![/p][/quote]Hhhmmmm, I spy a porkie pie.[/p][/quote]What through those rose tints?[/p][/quote]Yup. Plus I would rather wear rose tinted glasses and be a bit biased towards my own people than carry I knife, ready to plung it between the shoulder blades of a friend or family member. That is you. Well done for dodging the question on why I am deluded too. (Sarcasm) super waluigi

7:59pm Mon 16 Dec 13

candy box says...

Dear Santa cowling
All i want for christmas is joe Dunn to go
Dear Santa cowling All i want for christmas is joe Dunn to go candy box

10:00pm Mon 16 Dec 13

angryman!!! says...

Wow unbelievable. So after that disgusting performance Saturday, still no news from the club, the website has two new posts one about tickets (really?) the second another crapy advert. Then twitter has correspondence to a Southend fan after a team list and some bloke after finding out if we are in the champions league. Glad to see that club is looking after the really fans of the club. Well done col.u (slow clap)
Wow unbelievable. So after that disgusting performance Saturday, still no news from the club, the website has two new posts one about tickets (really?) the second another crapy advert. Then twitter has correspondence to a Southend fan after a team list and some bloke after finding out if we are in the champions league. Glad to see that club is looking after the really fans of the club. Well done col.u (slow clap) angryman!!!

10:40pm Mon 16 Dec 13

stevedawson says...

I know, from what cowling has said in the past, that the loyal 2500 odd col u are not enough for him.He and we want to see more support.When he took over and eventualy took over all control the heart has gradually been sucked from the club.He needs to mend that as well as the team and the manager.An on site descent club room might be start.
I know, from what cowling has said in the past, that the loyal 2500 odd col u are not enough for him.He and we want to see more support.When he took over and eventualy took over all control the heart has gradually been sucked from the club.He needs to mend that as well as the team and the manager.An on site descent club room might be start. stevedawson

9:40am Tue 17 Dec 13

Noah4x4 says...

I am a season ticket holder that cannot understand the constant criticism of Robbie Cowling; who has never kicked a ball; or selected a team or made a substitution at WHCS.

I also think we should not lose faith in Joe Dunne; given the circumstances. This is; after all, just one horrible defeat after some fantastic home performances against Peterborough and MK Dons; plus excellent away draws at two top sides (Rotherham and Preston); also having had a deserved win snatched away from us against Walsall (courtesy of a referee's broken watch) and an unlucky defeat against Tranmere. One absolute stinker doesn't make us a bad tea or Joe a bad manager (inexperienced yes; but at least he is trying new things; unike Ward & Co).

The Football League rule is that a Division One playing budget cannot exceed 65% of revenues. Hence Robbie Cowling can't just dip into his pocket else we will end up with penal sanctions like Swindon or (soon) Carlisle. We either have to increase revenues (e.g. increase attendances) or sell players. But Joe Dunne has inherited a number of over-paid and over rated players (e.g. Morrison and Magnus) that nobody else will want. John Ward stupidly gave Magnus a three year contract after the player decided he wanted to leave. That means only the option to get in any new players is to sell our rising stars; like Drey Wright (injured) or Macca Bonne or use emergency loans (which we have been doing). The academy is hence vital to our long term future; to enable us to develop players for SALE.

If we sack Joe (and/or cancel the contracts of various players); the compensation packages will further eat in to the 65% limit; so that just worsens the financial position. How can that help us? Here, RC might take some blame being a recruitment expert; but who can blame him for his past backing the judgement of big name expensive managers like Lambert; Boothroyd and Ward? He would be damned if he didn't and now damned that he did. Frankly, this is the legacy of Lambert (who sold our crown jewels to other clubs - like Johnny Jackson); plus that of Boothroyd and Ward. Other than 'free' youth loanees; of which only a limited number are available; who has Joe Dunne been able to buy/bring into the permenant staff other than those now on the long term injury list (like Watt and Massey? When the wheels come off it is admittedly painful; but our league position is not due to seven defeats (including three that have been ghastly). It is due to nine draws; hence 18 points dropped. We have so often been unlucky (example; Massey hitting the post at Rotherham); and much of the refereeing is diabolical. But only nine Division One teams have suffered fewer defeats. With typically ten senior professionals injured for much of the season; and a squad padded out by kids and emergency loanees; is it any wonder that we have struggled to convert these into wins? Frankly, I never expected anything this season other than a low table position and a period of consolidation; and we still have to play enough poorer sides to avoid the drop. We should perhaps count our blessings that we have a football league club to moan about!
I am a season ticket holder that cannot understand the constant criticism of Robbie Cowling; who has never kicked a ball; or selected a team or made a substitution at WHCS. I also think we should not lose faith in Joe Dunne; given the circumstances. This is; after all, just one horrible defeat after some fantastic home performances against Peterborough and MK Dons; plus excellent away draws at two top sides (Rotherham and Preston); also having had a deserved win snatched away from us against Walsall (courtesy of a referee's broken watch) and an unlucky defeat against Tranmere. One absolute stinker doesn't make us a bad tea or Joe a bad manager (inexperienced yes; but at least he is trying new things; unike Ward & Co). The Football League rule is that a Division One playing budget cannot exceed 65% of revenues. Hence Robbie Cowling can't just dip into his pocket else we will end up with penal sanctions like Swindon or (soon) Carlisle. We either have to increase revenues (e.g. increase attendances) or sell players. But Joe Dunne has inherited a number of over-paid and over rated players (e.g. Morrison and Magnus) that nobody else will want. John Ward stupidly gave Magnus a three year contract after the player decided he wanted to leave. That means only the option to get in any new players is to sell our rising stars; like Drey Wright (injured) or Macca Bonne or use emergency loans (which we have been doing). The academy is hence vital to our long term future; to enable us to develop players for SALE. If we sack Joe (and/or cancel the contracts of various players); the compensation packages will further eat in to the 65% limit; so that just worsens the financial position. How can that help us? Here, RC might take some blame being a recruitment expert; but who can blame him for his past backing the judgement of big name expensive managers like Lambert; Boothroyd and Ward? He would be damned if he didn't and now damned that he did. Frankly, this is the legacy of Lambert (who sold our crown jewels to other clubs - like Johnny Jackson); plus that of Boothroyd and Ward. Other than 'free' youth loanees; of which only a limited number are available; who has Joe Dunne been able to buy/bring into the permenant staff other than those now on the long term injury list (like Watt and Massey? When the wheels come off it is admittedly painful; but our league position is not due to seven defeats (including three that have been ghastly). It is due to nine draws; hence 18 points dropped. We have so often been unlucky (example; Massey hitting the post at Rotherham); and much of the refereeing is diabolical. But only nine Division One teams have suffered fewer defeats. With typically ten senior professionals injured for much of the season; and a squad padded out by kids and emergency loanees; is it any wonder that we have struggled to convert these into wins? Frankly, I never expected anything this season other than a low table position and a period of consolidation; and we still have to play enough poorer sides to avoid the drop. We should perhaps count our blessings that we have a football league club to moan about! Noah4x4

10:24am Tue 17 Dec 13

totallyfootball says...

A lot of good points Noah but just a little too much sentiment and that I can appreciate from someone who puts their hard earned cash into the club, but drastic changes are needed before this the club becomes the club with the best facilities in the Conference?
A lot of good points Noah but just a little too much sentiment and that I can appreciate from someone who puts their hard earned cash into the club, but drastic changes are needed before this the club becomes the club with the best facilities in the Conference? totallyfootball

12:26pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Noah4x4 says...

totallyfootball wrote:
A lot of good points Noah but just a little too much sentiment and that I can appreciate from someone who puts their hard earned cash into the club, but drastic changes are needed before this the club becomes the club with the best facilities in the Conference?
"Best facilities in the Conference"? Let's not be disrespectful to either the fourth or fifth tiers of football. There are many with quality facilities and much bigger attendances playing below us.

Frankly, I struggle to understand prevailing public attitudes in Colchester although one accepts that we are all entitled to be disappointed; whilst the players also know that last Saturday's debarcle was unacceptable . Those living in Wrexham; Cambridge; Kidderminster; Lincoln; Luton; Grimsby; Hereford; Aldershot and Chester would all be delighted to still have a Division Two; let alone a Division One team. So why be so pessimistic after just one (admittedly) dire performance in the last ten games? Where is our pride, our loyalty and passion?

Apart from one wonder season in the Championship (and then a second wondering how we ever survived the first on record low gates for that tier) Division One (formerly Three) is our natural peak. From 1950 to 1990 we never escaped yo-yoing between the lower two divisions; sinking briefly into the Conference thereafter. Then we witness a short lived glory era; and miracles happen in 2006. But the facts are that history suggests that the odds of us going down to the Conference are about the same as promotion to the Championship (e.g. two years of each in 76 years). Meanwhile; more recently; Robbie Cowling shells out £millions that we never had before; whilst Lambert dismantles what Championship playing staff we had under Phil Parkinson. Then Boothroyd and Ward squander the cash and assemble a large squad of distinctly average players; whilst failing to get the best out of and them; subsequently releasing some others of potential quality to Leyton Orient (and where are they now?). This madcap cycle had to stop; even if the 65% rule had not be made.

Cowling has since made exactly the right investment in the youth academy as that is the ONLY route to ever change our future long term destiny. Then after a shocking list of injuries to senior players; Joe Dunne has since been unable to do much (as our youngsters are not ready) except turn to emergency loans. Joe cannot add to the permanent senior staff without selling others that nobody will want. We remain where we have perhaps ALWAYS been destined; but unlike the Conference sides mentioned above; we do still have a potential way forward in Division One. But not unless this town shakes off its apathy, respects what we potentially have; gets behind its local club; and has the patience to allow time for new solutions to develop. One or two more seasons in Division One (or even Division Two) won't be any worse than 73 previous years in our 76 year history. So why not give this more chance to work? A new Lambert; Boothroyd or Ward cannot be the answer.
[quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: A lot of good points Noah but just a little too much sentiment and that I can appreciate from someone who puts their hard earned cash into the club, but drastic changes are needed before this the club becomes the club with the best facilities in the Conference?[/p][/quote]"Best facilities in the Conference"? Let's not be disrespectful to either the fourth or fifth tiers of football. There are many with quality facilities and much bigger attendances playing below us. Frankly, I struggle to understand prevailing public attitudes in Colchester although one accepts that we are all entitled to be disappointed; whilst the players also know that last Saturday's debarcle was unacceptable . Those living in Wrexham; Cambridge; Kidderminster; Lincoln; Luton; Grimsby; Hereford; Aldershot and Chester would all be delighted to still have a Division Two; let alone a Division One team. So why be so pessimistic after just one (admittedly) dire performance in the last ten games? Where is our pride, our loyalty and passion? Apart from one wonder season in the Championship (and then a second wondering how we ever survived the first on record low gates for that tier) Division One (formerly Three) is our natural peak. From 1950 to 1990 we never escaped yo-yoing between the lower two divisions; sinking briefly into the Conference thereafter. Then we witness a short lived glory era; and miracles happen in 2006. But the facts are that history suggests that the odds of us going down to the Conference are about the same as promotion to the Championship (e.g. two years of each in 76 years). Meanwhile; more recently; Robbie Cowling shells out £millions that we never had before; whilst Lambert dismantles what Championship playing staff we had under Phil Parkinson. Then Boothroyd and Ward squander the cash and assemble a large squad of distinctly average players; whilst failing to get the best out of and them; subsequently releasing some others of potential quality to Leyton Orient (and where are they now?). This madcap cycle had to stop; even if the 65% rule had not be made. Cowling has since made exactly the right investment in the youth academy as that is the ONLY route to ever change our future long term destiny. Then after a shocking list of injuries to senior players; Joe Dunne has since been unable to do much (as our youngsters are not ready) except turn to emergency loans. Joe cannot add to the permanent senior staff without selling others that nobody will want. We remain where we have perhaps ALWAYS been destined; but unlike the Conference sides mentioned above; we do still have a potential way forward in Division One. But not unless this town shakes off its apathy, respects what we potentially have; gets behind its local club; and has the patience to allow time for new solutions to develop. One or two more seasons in Division One (or even Division Two) won't be any worse than 73 previous years in our 76 year history. So why not give this more chance to work? A new Lambert; Boothroyd or Ward cannot be the answer. Noah4x4

12:51pm Tue 17 Dec 13

totallyfootball says...

Again Noah some good and valid points but A P McCoy did not get where he is today by flogging a dead horse did he? The youth set up should have been in place moons ago, when they were in their ascendency not on the way down! This rainy day has been coming for a long time, I am not talking about giving up I am talking about positive change and now. We were all talking about giving it a little more time last season, what's changed?
Again Noah some good and valid points but A P McCoy did not get where he is today by flogging a dead horse did he? The youth set up should have been in place moons ago, when they were in their ascendency not on the way down! This rainy day has been coming for a long time, I am not talking about giving up I am talking about positive change and now. We were all talking about giving it a little more time last season, what's changed? totallyfootball

1:38pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Toecap Joe says...

Noah, many congrats on two of the best blogs written in the last few months!
A totally balanced and realistic appraisal of who and where we are. "Too much sentiment"???
Noah, many congrats on two of the best blogs written in the last few months! A totally balanced and realistic appraisal of who and where we are. "Too much sentiment"??? Toecap Joe

4:48pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Noah4x4 says...

totallyfootball wrote:
Again Noah some good and valid points but A P McCoy did not get where he is today by flogging a dead horse did he? The youth set up should have been in place moons ago, when they were in their ascendency not on the way down! This rainy day has been coming for a long time, I am not talking about giving up I am talking about positive change and now. We were all talking about giving it a little more time last season, what's changed?
A.P McCoy has indeed flogged well over 4,000 horses; and most of them are indeed now dead. Furthermore; my guess is that the aggregate investment in the bloodstock that has supported his success far exceeds even Chelsea's total investment in Premier League players over a comparable period. There is simply no comparison between A P McCoy and Col U.

Robbie Cowling is not multi-billionaire (stud farm owner) Sultan bin Mohammed bin Saud Al Kabeer; nor is he (Chelsea's) Roman Abramovich. Here; I mean no offence to Robbie when I say that he might not even be the third richest man in Tiptree. But unlike the other two aforesaid; he has invested his blood and his money into Colchester United; and in a manner that I consider can; at last, potentially change the paradigm over time (e.g. the academy and training ground). Robbie hence has my utter respect; even if I don't agree with every Board inspired decision.

But even if Robbie offered a NEW manager an open cheque-book, the league's 65% rule prevents him doing much else except to do his best with the current squad that he will inherit . Change may therefore take three years. Joe Dunne worked a miracle last year and this season we are markedly better. Yes; we have taken a few hammerings (notably; Notts C, Wolves; Brentford); but the football is far more attractive and there is some real hope once we get Watt; Massey; Wright (both of them) and others fit. I have also have watched all of our home U21 games; and there is real potential amongst our youth. Already we have seen Olefumi; Bonne; Szmodics and Gilbey break through; probably ahead of Joe's intent. Other youngsters are currently out on loan; bulking up from boy to man. 2013-14 simply isn't like any of the last four years at WHCS. There is some real evidence of change taking place; although it might not yet be manifest in results (or points). This year we still have to play most of the sides around us. I hence propose to reserve judgement until after the next seven games where merely 12 points in any combination should send us soaring to safety.
[quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: Again Noah some good and valid points but A P McCoy did not get where he is today by flogging a dead horse did he? The youth set up should have been in place moons ago, when they were in their ascendency not on the way down! This rainy day has been coming for a long time, I am not talking about giving up I am talking about positive change and now. We were all talking about giving it a little more time last season, what's changed?[/p][/quote]A.P McCoy has indeed flogged well over 4,000 horses; and most of them are indeed now dead. Furthermore; my guess is that the aggregate investment in the bloodstock that has supported his success far exceeds even Chelsea's total investment in Premier League players over a comparable period. There is simply no comparison between A P McCoy and Col U. Robbie Cowling is not multi-billionaire (stud farm owner) Sultan bin Mohammed bin Saud Al Kabeer; nor is he (Chelsea's) Roman Abramovich. Here; I mean no offence to Robbie when I say that he might not even be the third richest man in Tiptree. But unlike the other two aforesaid; he has invested his blood and his money into Colchester United; and in a manner that I consider can; at last, potentially change the paradigm over time (e.g. the academy and training ground). Robbie hence has my utter respect; even if I don't agree with every Board inspired decision. But even if Robbie offered a NEW manager an open cheque-book, the league's 65% rule prevents him doing much else except to do his best with the current squad that he will inherit . Change may therefore take three years. Joe Dunne worked a miracle last year and this season we are markedly better. Yes; we have taken a few hammerings (notably; Notts C, Wolves; Brentford); but the football is far more attractive and there is some real hope once we get Watt; Massey; Wright (both of them) and others fit. I have also have watched all of our home U21 games; and there is real potential amongst our youth. Already we have seen Olefumi; Bonne; Szmodics and Gilbey break through; probably ahead of Joe's intent. Other youngsters are currently out on loan; bulking up from boy to man. 2013-14 simply isn't like any of the last four years at WHCS. There is some real evidence of change taking place; although it might not yet be manifest in results (or points). This year we still have to play most of the sides around us. I hence propose to reserve judgement until after the next seven games where merely 12 points in any combination should send us soaring to safety. Noah4x4

6:27pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Medicated Soap says...

Well I must congratulate you Noah4x4 for your finally spun propaganda! Perhaps you’ve missed your true calling as a spin doctor or member of the clubs media department.

The wages of management and coaching staff do not count towards the 60% of turnover wage cap, which only applies to players aged over 20 years. Actually owners are still very much allowed to ‘dip into their pockets’ by injecting money as ‘donations’ as per Crawley Town, it’s only Cowling’s preferred method of ‘investment’, the loading of debt onto the club, which has been outlawed (incidentally we’re now over £20 million in debt from being £4 million in the black when Cowling bought the club in 2006).

As for Joe Dunne’s performance as U’s manager, his record for the last 46 league games reads:

P 46 W 12 D 13 L 21 F 45 A 67 -22 49pts

That’s perpetual relegation form for an entire calendar year! The injury excuse is a red herring as regardless of the personnel available during the last year the only constant factor is that we’ve been struggling. While you could argue Dunne has endured some ‘bad luck’ with injuries, he has enjoyed spades of good luck with the results we’ve got this season! Battered for ninety minutes at Preston and Rotherham only to snatch a draw with our only shots on target in those games - major flukes, re-run those matches again nine times out of ten we’d have been thrashed senseless. Very lucky to meet Peterborough in the midst of a 5 game losing streak, even then we only scraped the win thanks to a man advantage, and the MK Dons putting in their worst performance for three years at the Community Stadium was rather charitable to say the least.

In fact if you take away the two fortuitous wins at the start of the season, against newly promoted sides finding their feet in the division, the league table over the last 18 games reads:

20. Sheffield United P 18 W 04 D 05 L 09 F 15 A 23 -8 17pts
21. Notts County P 19 W 05 D 02 L 12 F 22 A 28 -6 17pts
22. Crewe Alexandra P 18 W 04 D 04 L 10 F 14 A 38 -24 16pts
23. Colchester United P 18 W 02 D 09 L 07 F 19 A 30 -11 15pts
24. Bristol City P 18 W 02 D 08 L 08 F 21 A 27 -6 14pts

A true reflection of where we are currently heading under Joe Dunne!

I wonder what saleable assets we have in the academy, when Alex Gilbey is running down his contract and likes of Macaulay Bonne and Sammie Szmodics aren’t even tied down to professional deals yet?! Not to mention the clubs failure to gain Category Two status as an élite academy has set the club’s youth recruitment back light years behind our local rivals who achieved the grade with much ease.

Keep kidding yourself Noah; it’s not going to change the course of reality one iota.
Well I must congratulate you Noah4x4 for your finally spun propaganda! Perhaps you’ve missed your true calling as a spin doctor or member of the clubs media department. The wages of management and coaching staff do not count towards the 60% of turnover wage cap, which only applies to players aged over 20 years. Actually owners are still very much allowed to ‘dip into their pockets’ by injecting money as ‘donations’ as per Crawley Town, it’s only Cowling’s preferred method of ‘investment’, the loading of debt onto the club, which has been outlawed (incidentally we’re now over £20 million in debt from being £4 million in the black when Cowling bought the club in 2006). As for Joe Dunne’s performance as U’s manager, his record for the last 46 league games reads: P 46 W 12 D 13 L 21 F 45 A 67 -22 49pts That’s perpetual relegation form for an entire calendar year! The injury excuse is a red herring as regardless of the personnel available during the last year the only constant factor is that we’ve been struggling. While you could argue Dunne has endured some ‘bad luck’ with injuries, he has enjoyed spades of good luck with the results we’ve got this season! Battered for ninety minutes at Preston and Rotherham only to snatch a draw with our only shots on target in those games - major flukes, re-run those matches again nine times out of ten we’d have been thrashed senseless. Very lucky to meet Peterborough in the midst of a 5 game losing streak, even then we only scraped the win thanks to a man advantage, and the MK Dons putting in their worst performance for three years at the Community Stadium was rather charitable to say the least. In fact if you take away the two fortuitous wins at the start of the season, against newly promoted sides finding their feet in the division, the league table over the last 18 games reads: 20. Sheffield United P 18 W 04 D 05 L 09 F 15 A 23 -8 17pts 21. Notts County P 19 W 05 D 02 L 12 F 22 A 28 -6 17pts 22. Crewe Alexandra P 18 W 04 D 04 L 10 F 14 A 38 -24 16pts 23. Colchester United P 18 W 02 D 09 L 07 F 19 A 30 -11 15pts 24. Bristol City P 18 W 02 D 08 L 08 F 21 A 27 -6 14pts A true reflection of where we are currently heading under Joe Dunne! I wonder what saleable assets we have in the academy, when Alex Gilbey is running down his contract and likes of Macaulay Bonne and Sammie Szmodics aren’t even tied down to professional deals yet?! Not to mention the clubs failure to gain Category Two status as an élite academy has set the club’s youth recruitment back light years behind our local rivals who achieved the grade with much ease. Keep kidding yourself Noah; it’s not going to change the course of reality one iota. Medicated Soap

7:45pm Tue 17 Dec 13

stevedawson says...

40 ml in debt? Who to? If that statement is correct what are we all worrying about.
40 ml in debt? Who to? If that statement is correct what are we all worrying about. stevedawson

7:49pm Tue 17 Dec 13

super waluigi says...

Medicated Soap wrote:
Well I must congratulate you Noah4x4 for your finally spun propaganda! Perhaps you’ve missed your true calling as a spin doctor or member of the clubs media department.

The wages of management and coaching staff do not count towards the 60% of turnover wage cap, which only applies to players aged over 20 years. Actually owners are still very much allowed to ‘dip into their pockets’ by injecting money as ‘donations’ as per Crawley Town, it’s only Cowling’s preferred method of ‘investment’, the loading of debt onto the club, which has been outlawed (incidentally we’re now over £20 million in debt from being £4 million in the black when Cowling bought the club in 2006).

As for Joe Dunne’s performance as U’s manager, his record for the last 46 league games reads:

P 46 W 12 D 13 L 21 F 45 A 67 -22 49pts

That’s perpetual relegation form for an entire calendar year! The injury excuse is a red herring as regardless of the personnel available during the last year the only constant factor is that we’ve been struggling. While you could argue Dunne has endured some ‘bad luck’ with injuries, he has enjoyed spades of good luck with the results we’ve got this season! Battered for ninety minutes at Preston and Rotherham only to snatch a draw with our only shots on target in those games - major flukes, re-run those matches again nine times out of ten we’d have been thrashed senseless. Very lucky to meet Peterborough in the midst of a 5 game losing streak, even then we only scraped the win thanks to a man advantage, and the MK Dons putting in their worst performance for three years at the Community Stadium was rather charitable to say the least.

In fact if you take away the two fortuitous wins at the start of the season, against newly promoted sides finding their feet in the division, the league table over the last 18 games reads:

20. Sheffield United P 18 W 04 D 05 L 09 F 15 A 23 -8 17pts
21. Notts County P 19 W 05 D 02 L 12 F 22 A 28 -6 17pts
22. Crewe Alexandra P 18 W 04 D 04 L 10 F 14 A 38 -24 16pts
23. Colchester United P 18 W 02 D 09 L 07 F 19 A 30 -11 15pts
24. Bristol City P 18 W 02 D 08 L 08 F 21 A 27 -6 14pts

A true reflection of where we are currently heading under Joe Dunne!

I wonder what saleable assets we have in the academy, when Alex Gilbey is running down his contract and likes of Macaulay Bonne and Sammie Szmodics aren’t even tied down to professional deals yet?! Not to mention the clubs failure to gain Category Two status as an élite academy has set the club’s youth recruitment back light years behind our local rivals who achieved the grade with much ease.

Keep kidding yourself Noah; it’s not going to change the course of reality one iota.
Why are you giving Noah a hard time???? His blog was fair and resembles yours, it's just the other side if the fence. If you are going to argue/discuss your point, the least you could do is respect the ones most similar to your own.

Well done Noah on a great read.

Medicated, try and stick to facts. Every fan could blog what might have happened, but it did'nt. For example, I could say that if Sears, Massey and Watt had been fit the league would look like this..

1 colchester. Lots of points
2 Leyton orient. Good points
3 wolves. Etc etc etc

Get it???? If you want to be taken seriously, get your point across fairly.
[quote][p][bold]Medicated Soap[/bold] wrote: Well I must congratulate you Noah4x4 for your finally spun propaganda! Perhaps you’ve missed your true calling as a spin doctor or member of the clubs media department. The wages of management and coaching staff do not count towards the 60% of turnover wage cap, which only applies to players aged over 20 years. Actually owners are still very much allowed to ‘dip into their pockets’ by injecting money as ‘donations’ as per Crawley Town, it’s only Cowling’s preferred method of ‘investment’, the loading of debt onto the club, which has been outlawed (incidentally we’re now over £20 million in debt from being £4 million in the black when Cowling bought the club in 2006). As for Joe Dunne’s performance as U’s manager, his record for the last 46 league games reads: P 46 W 12 D 13 L 21 F 45 A 67 -22 49pts That’s perpetual relegation form for an entire calendar year! The injury excuse is a red herring as regardless of the personnel available during the last year the only constant factor is that we’ve been struggling. While you could argue Dunne has endured some ‘bad luck’ with injuries, he has enjoyed spades of good luck with the results we’ve got this season! Battered for ninety minutes at Preston and Rotherham only to snatch a draw with our only shots on target in those games - major flukes, re-run those matches again nine times out of ten we’d have been thrashed senseless. Very lucky to meet Peterborough in the midst of a 5 game losing streak, even then we only scraped the win thanks to a man advantage, and the MK Dons putting in their worst performance for three years at the Community Stadium was rather charitable to say the least. In fact if you take away the two fortuitous wins at the start of the season, against newly promoted sides finding their feet in the division, the league table over the last 18 games reads: 20. Sheffield United P 18 W 04 D 05 L 09 F 15 A 23 -8 17pts 21. Notts County P 19 W 05 D 02 L 12 F 22 A 28 -6 17pts 22. Crewe Alexandra P 18 W 04 D 04 L 10 F 14 A 38 -24 16pts 23. Colchester United P 18 W 02 D 09 L 07 F 19 A 30 -11 15pts 24. Bristol City P 18 W 02 D 08 L 08 F 21 A 27 -6 14pts A true reflection of where we are currently heading under Joe Dunne! I wonder what saleable assets we have in the academy, when Alex Gilbey is running down his contract and likes of Macaulay Bonne and Sammie Szmodics aren’t even tied down to professional deals yet?! Not to mention the clubs failure to gain Category Two status as an élite academy has set the club’s youth recruitment back light years behind our local rivals who achieved the grade with much ease. Keep kidding yourself Noah; it’s not going to change the course of reality one iota.[/p][/quote]Why are you giving Noah a hard time???? His blog was fair and resembles yours, it's just the other side if the fence. If you are going to argue/discuss your point, the least you could do is respect the ones most similar to your own. Well done Noah on a great read. Medicated, try and stick to facts. Every fan could blog what might have happened, but it did'nt. For example, I could say that if Sears, Massey and Watt had been fit the league would look like this.. 1 colchester. Lots of points 2 Leyton orient. Good points 3 wolves. Etc etc etc Get it???? If you want to be taken seriously, get your point across fairly. super waluigi

8:41pm Tue 17 Dec 13

candy box says...

SACK HIM HE IS USELESS AND CLUELESS !!!
SACK HIM HE IS USELESS AND CLUELESS !!! candy box

9:32pm Tue 17 Dec 13

❄Nicky says...

no one takes anything you type seriously superwaluigi
no one takes anything you type seriously superwaluigi ❄Nicky

10:05pm Tue 17 Dec 13

super waluigi says...

❄Nicky wrote:
no one takes anything you type seriously superwaluigi
Do you know every body then????
[quote][p][bold]❄Nicky[/bold] wrote: no one takes anything you type seriously superwaluigi[/p][/quote]Do you know every body then???? super waluigi

10:13pm Tue 17 Dec 13

angryman!!! says...

To argue we were lucky to win/lose or draw I pretty much irrelevant after half a season, yes there's game luck went our way last minute goals going for us and then others were it went away. We are where we are now because it's a fair reflection on our season.
To blame dunne or rc on our category status is unfair as a lot of it is due to lack of youth invest of previous years, yes cowling could have done that when he was first in charge, however I want moaning when he was splashing the cash first couple of seasons.
It's clearly obvious dunne is going to be in charge Saturday and with the amount of fixture in the festive period I think what ever the next couple of games he will still be there, so all we can do is get behind him.
I just wish the players could show abit of fight, we never expect to win every game but please at least try and at least fight for your team no matter what you may think of the club or manager. It seem obvious many players seem to think they are to big for col.u or joe dunne but I wonder what clubs these players think are going to sign them next, as their was not a player on the pitch Saturday that would interest any league team after that performance.
Oldham have also just beaten Mansfield so will be on a high knowing they've got a nice little game against Liverpool so Saturday is going to be even more tricky
To argue we were lucky to win/lose or draw I pretty much irrelevant after half a season, yes there's game luck went our way last minute goals going for us and then others were it went away. We are where we are now because it's a fair reflection on our season. To blame dunne or rc on our category status is unfair as a lot of it is due to lack of youth invest of previous years, yes cowling could have done that when he was first in charge, however I want moaning when he was splashing the cash first couple of seasons. It's clearly obvious dunne is going to be in charge Saturday and with the amount of fixture in the festive period I think what ever the next couple of games he will still be there, so all we can do is get behind him. I just wish the players could show abit of fight, we never expect to win every game but please at least try and at least fight for your team no matter what you may think of the club or manager. It seem obvious many players seem to think they are to big for col.u or joe dunne but I wonder what clubs these players think are going to sign them next, as their was not a player on the pitch Saturday that would interest any league team after that performance. Oldham have also just beaten Mansfield so will be on a high knowing they've got a nice little game against Liverpool so Saturday is going to be even more tricky angryman!!!

10:44pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Noah4x4 says...

If I was a “spin doctor” or a “member of the club’s media department” then I might be able to better respond to the financial observations made by Medicated Soap. But even if this (alleged) club funding has been made by a Director’s Loan; how is that “putting the club in debt“; when R & C Cowling own 100% of the club/company? Surely this is not indebtedness to any other (third party) equity investors or a loan from a bank? It is simply an investment made by the outright owners into their OWN business that they can only ever hope to recover after a period of profitability and/or the successful sale of the company. That is (IMHO) almost as good as them making a donation; as with all the doom and gloom now being promulgated within this thread; Robbie’s money is probably already a write off; and why should RC simply “make a donation” when Colchester United isn’t a registered charity? The fact is that Robbie Cowling has THE greatest interest of anybody in our beloved club making future ambitious progress and achieving ultimate success; else he has probably lost his money. At least we supporters can only lose a few tears and suffer some heartbreak.

Then; whilst the ‘Salary Cost Management Protocol’ alone applies in Divisions One and Two and SCMP does embraces only player wages in the context of turnover (was 65% now 60% for 2013-14); the rules in the Championship are far more complicated and are based directly on ‘profit’ or ‘loss’. Surely our current financial strategy must be to work towards FFPR rather than embrace merely SCMP? Although not yet affecting our current division; these far more onerous ‘Financial Fair Play Regulations’ cannot be ignored; unless we are prepared to accept our current low mid to table Division One mediocrity in perpetuity? But whatever the comments made in this thread, are we not all aspiring towards success (and promotion) to the Championship? Or are some writers simply intent on malicious destructive comment?

These deeper FFP Regulations limit the permitted variance of a season’s losses and also any related Shareholder equity investment if a severe financial penalty is to be avoided. Once again; one can’t expect club owners to simply make donated gifts (as football clubs are not charities). Within FFPR there are some exceptions to the profit/loss accounting these rules embrace; such as any investment in youth development; the profit affected element of fixed assets and/or their depreciation (but not players); also investments in any Community Scheme and/or promotion bonus payments. The Financial Fair Play Panel may also consider a few other exceptions that include payments made in respect of ‘career ending long term injury’ - but do note that compensation for simply paying off sacked managers and/or players contracts (or their agents) isn’t an exception. Here; I accept that if Joe Dunne was sacked today (whilst still in Division One) this would not be a technical problem under SCMP (alone); but paying off his contract would still mean a loss of funds that (IMHO) could be better applied to future player wages. Then any new manager appointed still has the same problem of an inherited squad that is already paid up to SCMP budget; with no room to manouvre except for loan players; and with Sears; Massey; Watt; Wright and Wright (et al) all injured. So frankly; it’s a simple question; can we trust Joe Dunne more or less than a newcomer to get us out of the hole we are admittedly still in as a legacy of Lambert; Boothroyd and Ward?

Whilst accepting that most of last season was indeed relegation form (e.g. given that we escaped by a whisker); when JD took over we had just four points and were forever playing catch up. We survived; and Joe gets my respect for performing that miracle; notably having watched how the team got three points at Bury after losing George Porter to another awful refereeing decision on two minutes. But last year has gone; and is irrelevant. It is this season that now matters. It is statistically ridiculous to make a comparison for this season that ignores our two wins against Gillingham and Port Vale and hence assumes only the results of our next eighteen games to date. Why not similarly deduct two wins from all of the other teams around us too? The fact is that (as at today); the U’s have already played ALL of the league’s top seventeen teams (e.g. those above us) except for Oldham (16th!); and have yet to play Stevenage and Crewe below us. Ironically; these three lowly ranked teams are our next three fixtures (hence coming in a vital run of four with Notts County). I agree that if we don’t get win results against perhaps two of these four; then we are in possible in trouble. However; after that; we next face MK Dons; Port Vale and Gillingham; hence three of the four sides that we have already beaten. Hence these seven fixtures are our best barometer for where we are likely to end up; not the previous eighteen. Also now consider that we have already played many of the division's form teams in the AWAY leg (e.g. Brentford; Preston; Rotherham; Bradford; and Coventry); securing a useful point at many. They (like Peterborough and MK Dons) will be far less comfortable when facing us at WHCS in the second legs; notably when Sears; Watt; Massey & Co are fit; and when our boys currently out on loan also come back (as men). But if we were relegated; is it the end of the world? Under SCMP/FFPR rules most clubs are likely to eventually end up in the divisional tier that is warranted by their regular attendances. I suspect that might well be the Conference; unless this town decides otherwise and gets behind it. But for the moment we are Division One; so I remain proud that we are punching above our weight as regards gates we have.
If I was a “spin doctor” or a “member of the club’s media department” then I might be able to better respond to the financial observations made by Medicated Soap. But even if this (alleged) club funding has been made by a Director’s Loan; how is that “putting the club in debt“; when R & C Cowling own 100% of the club/company? Surely this is not indebtedness to any other (third party) equity investors or a loan from a bank? It is simply an investment made by the outright owners into their OWN business that they can only ever hope to recover after a period of profitability and/or the successful sale of the company. That is (IMHO) almost as good as them making a donation; as with all the doom and gloom now being promulgated within this thread; Robbie’s money is probably already a write off; and why should RC simply “make a donation” when Colchester United isn’t a registered charity? The fact is that Robbie Cowling has THE greatest interest of anybody in our beloved club making future ambitious progress and achieving ultimate success; else he has probably lost his money. At least we supporters can only lose a few tears and suffer some heartbreak. Then; whilst the ‘Salary Cost Management Protocol’ alone applies in Divisions One and Two and SCMP does embraces only player wages in the context of turnover (was 65% now 60% for 2013-14); the rules in the Championship are far more complicated and are based directly on ‘profit’ or ‘loss’. Surely our current financial strategy must be to work towards FFPR rather than embrace merely SCMP? Although not yet affecting our current division; these far more onerous ‘Financial Fair Play Regulations’ cannot be ignored; unless we are prepared to accept our current low mid to table Division One mediocrity in perpetuity? But whatever the comments made in this thread, are we not all aspiring towards success (and promotion) to the Championship? Or are some writers simply intent on malicious destructive comment? These deeper FFP Regulations limit the permitted variance of a season’s losses and also any related Shareholder equity investment if a severe financial penalty is to be avoided. Once again; one can’t expect club owners to simply make donated gifts (as football clubs are not charities). Within FFPR there are some exceptions to the profit/loss accounting these rules embrace; such as any investment in youth development; the profit affected element of fixed assets and/or their depreciation (but not players); also investments in any Community Scheme and/or promotion bonus payments. The Financial Fair Play Panel may also consider a few other exceptions that include payments made in respect of ‘career ending long term injury’ - but do note that compensation for simply paying off sacked managers and/or players contracts (or their agents) isn’t an exception. Here; I accept that if Joe Dunne was sacked today (whilst still in Division One) this would not be a technical problem under SCMP (alone); but paying off his contract would still mean a loss of funds that (IMHO) could be better applied to future player wages. Then any new manager appointed still has the same problem of an inherited squad that is already paid up to SCMP budget; with no room to manouvre except for loan players; and with Sears; Massey; Watt; Wright and Wright (et al) all injured. So frankly; it’s a simple question; can we trust Joe Dunne more or less than a newcomer to get us out of the hole we are admittedly still in as a legacy of Lambert; Boothroyd and Ward? Whilst accepting that most of last season was indeed relegation form (e.g. given that we escaped by a whisker); when JD took over we had just four points and were forever playing catch up. We survived; and Joe gets my respect for performing that miracle; notably having watched how the team got three points at Bury after losing George Porter to another awful refereeing decision on two minutes. But last year has gone; and is irrelevant. It is this season that now matters. It is statistically ridiculous to make a comparison for this season that ignores our two wins against Gillingham and Port Vale and hence assumes only the results of our next eighteen games to date. Why not similarly deduct two wins from all of the other teams around us too? The fact is that (as at today); the U’s have already played ALL of the league’s top seventeen teams (e.g. those above us) except for Oldham (16th!); and have yet to play Stevenage and Crewe below us. Ironically; these three lowly ranked teams are our next three fixtures (hence coming in a vital run of four with Notts County). I agree that if we don’t get win results against perhaps two of these four; then we are in possible in trouble. However; after that; we next face MK Dons; Port Vale and Gillingham; hence three of the four sides that we have already beaten. Hence these seven fixtures are our best barometer for where we are likely to end up; not the previous eighteen. Also now consider that we have already played many of the division's form teams in the AWAY leg (e.g. Brentford; Preston; Rotherham; Bradford; and Coventry); securing a useful point at many. They (like Peterborough and MK Dons) will be far less comfortable when facing us at WHCS in the second legs; notably when Sears; Watt; Massey & Co are fit; and when our boys currently out on loan also come back (as men). But if we were relegated; is it the end of the world? Under SCMP/FFPR rules most clubs are likely to eventually end up in the divisional tier that is warranted by their regular attendances. I suspect that might well be the Conference; unless this town decides otherwise and gets behind it. But for the moment we are Division One; so I remain proud that we are punching above our weight as regards gates we have. Noah4x4

11:46pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Medicated Soap says...

Oh dear Noah4x4 you’ve failed to grasp even the basics of Financial Fair Play, so it’s no real surprise that you’ve failed to comprehend the material you’ve hastily looked up this evening, hence you’ve wasted your efforts on this nonsensical and contradictory diatribe. ^.^
Oh dear Noah4x4 you’ve failed to grasp even the basics of Financial Fair Play, so it’s no real surprise that you’ve failed to comprehend the material you’ve hastily looked up this evening, hence you’ve wasted your efforts on this nonsensical and contradictory diatribe. ^.^ Medicated Soap

3:07am Wed 18 Dec 13

Noah4x4 says...

Medicated Soap wrote:
Oh dear Noah4x4 you’ve failed to grasp even the basics of Financial Fair Play, so it’s no real surprise that you’ve failed to comprehend the material you’ve hastily looked up this evening, hence you’ve wasted your efforts on this nonsensical and contradictory diatribe. ^.^
I suggest readers might form their own judgement by visiting;
http://www.football-
league.co.uk/page/FL
ExplainedDetail/0,,1
0794~2748246,00.html


The current U's manager's player recruitment ability is limited by the Division One 'Salary Cost Management Protocol' and NOT by the far more complex (UEFA inspired) 'Financial Fair Play Rules' that currently ONLY embrace the Championship. So the ".....basics of FFP" mentioned are largely irrelevant to Col U at this stage of its development.

The lighter touch SCMP more simply limits the 2013-14 player wage bill to 60% of turnover (was 65%) and is hence not about any (FFP) limits upon shareholder investment or any variance from breakeven.. My earlier point was simply that if we are working towards being a Championship club our forward financial strategy can't ignore these much deeper FFP regulations. However; faced with a player wage bill limit today; Joe Dunne (or a successor) is stuck with what we have until he can offload a bucket-load of players inherited from Ward etc. In that sense; SCMP is far less flexible that FFP; so limiting his and our owners options.

What Robbie Cowling has or hasn't invested in the past in a company that he 100% owns (and by what method) is irrelevant to these financial rules that only commenced in season 2011-12 (but RC publicly stated he was working towards SCMP two season's before). Indeed; please check out the on-going limits that apply under FFP between 2011 and 2016. If we were in the Championship today; frankly; I reckon we would be delighted if RC was annually investing remotely close to these permitted numbers; so any suggestion that there may have been "outlawed" irregularities inside WHCS is an utter nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]Medicated Soap[/bold] wrote: Oh dear Noah4x4 you’ve failed to grasp even the basics of Financial Fair Play, so it’s no real surprise that you’ve failed to comprehend the material you’ve hastily looked up this evening, hence you’ve wasted your efforts on this nonsensical and contradictory diatribe. ^.^[/p][/quote]I suggest readers might form their own judgement by visiting; http://www.football- league.co.uk/page/FL ExplainedDetail/0,,1 0794~2748246,00.html The current U's manager's player recruitment ability is limited by the Division One 'Salary Cost Management Protocol' and NOT by the far more complex (UEFA inspired) 'Financial Fair Play Rules' that currently ONLY embrace the Championship. So the ".....basics of FFP" mentioned are largely irrelevant to Col U at this stage of its development. The lighter touch SCMP more simply limits the 2013-14 player wage bill to 60% of turnover (was 65%) and is hence not about any (FFP) limits upon shareholder investment or any variance from breakeven.. My earlier point was simply that if we are working towards being a Championship club our forward financial strategy can't ignore these much deeper FFP regulations. However; faced with a player wage bill limit today; Joe Dunne (or a successor) is stuck with what we have until he can offload a bucket-load of players inherited from Ward etc. In that sense; SCMP is far less flexible that FFP; so limiting his and our owners options. What Robbie Cowling has or hasn't invested in the past in a company that he 100% owns (and by what method) is irrelevant to these financial rules that only commenced in season 2011-12 (but RC publicly stated he was working towards SCMP two season's before). Indeed; please check out the on-going limits that apply under FFP between 2011 and 2016. If we were in the Championship today; frankly; I reckon we would be delighted if RC was annually investing remotely close to these permitted numbers; so any suggestion that there may have been "outlawed" irregularities inside WHCS is an utter nonsense. Noah4x4

3:11am Wed 18 Dec 13

Boris says...

Noah seems to have got a lot of thumbs-down votes, which proves he was writing a lot of sense.
I agree that it is pointless to call for Joe Dunne to be sacked. The club is Robbie Cowling's personal property, and he is not interested in our advice.
We have not yet heard any pronouncement from RC to the effect that JD has the safest job of all the managers in the Football League. When that announcement is made, it will be time for Joe to pack his bags.
Noah seems to have got a lot of thumbs-down votes, which proves he was writing a lot of sense. I agree that it is pointless to call for Joe Dunne to be sacked. The club is Robbie Cowling's personal property, and he is not interested in our advice. We have not yet heard any pronouncement from RC to the effect that JD has the safest job of all the managers in the Football League. When that announcement is made, it will be time for Joe to pack his bags. Boris

8:56am Wed 18 Dec 13

down the line says...

Noah, are you Joe Dunne signing onto the Gazette website?
Noah, are you Joe Dunne signing onto the Gazette website? down the line

9:21am Wed 18 Dec 13

super waluigi says...

Medicated Soap wrote:
Oh dear Noah4x4 you’ve failed to grasp even the basics of Financial Fair Play, so it’s no real surprise that you’ve failed to comprehend the material you’ve hastily looked up this evening, hence you’ve wasted your efforts on this nonsensical and contradictory diatribe. ^.^
Thank you Noah for perfectly typing what many of us feel about Col U.

Your blog contained just enough evidence and opinion to make it a good read.

Thank you Medicated soap for providing us all with a good laugh. Congrats on making your reply look so spiteful and condescending without any fact, opinion or personality.
[quote][p][bold]Medicated Soap[/bold] wrote: Oh dear Noah4x4 you’ve failed to grasp even the basics of Financial Fair Play, so it’s no real surprise that you’ve failed to comprehend the material you’ve hastily looked up this evening, hence you’ve wasted your efforts on this nonsensical and contradictory diatribe. ^.^[/p][/quote]Thank you Noah for perfectly typing what many of us feel about Col U. Your blog contained just enough evidence and opinion to make it a good read. Thank you Medicated soap for providing us all with a good laugh. Congrats on making your reply look so spiteful and condescending without any fact, opinion or personality. super waluigi

9:32am Wed 18 Dec 13

Bert_Stimpson says...

candy box wrote:
SACK HIM HE IS USELESS AND CLUELESS !!!
We can't sack super waluigi (AKA super deluded). It is a public forum and if his carer is happy for him to use the PC unsupervised, we will have to carry on reading his incoherent ramblings and nonsensical drivel...
[quote][p][bold]candy box[/bold] wrote: SACK HIM HE IS USELESS AND CLUELESS !!![/p][/quote]We can't sack super waluigi (AKA super deluded). It is a public forum and if his carer is happy for him to use the PC unsupervised, we will have to carry on reading his incoherent ramblings and nonsensical drivel... Bert_Stimpson

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