Colchester Council: Big three breathe sigh of relief after halting rise of Ukip

Jessica Scott-Boutell won for the Lib Dems in Stanway

Jessica Scott-Boutell won for the Lib Dems in Stanway

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THE big three parties were this morning relieved after pretenders Ukip narrowly failed to take a seat on Colchester Council.

The anti European Union party stood in 14 of the 20 seats up for grabs in yesterday's local elections and came second in most of them.

But although the party picked up nearly 100 council seats up and down the country, the closest they came in Colchester was an 85 vote loss to Conservative John Elliott in Tiptree.

Elsewhere, the only change was Labour's gain of Berechurch from the Lib Dems.

In an echo of recent elections, the other 19 seats were held by the incumbent party, meaning the Lib Dem, Labour and independent coalition which has ruled the authority since 2008 is likely to continue for at least 12 more months.

The big three parties all declared themselves satisfied with the results. Labour councillors were pleased to add new Berechurch councillor Chris Pearson to their ranks, while the Conservatives insisted they were pleased to see their vote share increase.

The collapse of Lib Dem support in other councils such as Portsmouth was not replicated in Colchester, as they successfully defended nine out of ten seats.

Focus centred on Castle ward, which required a recount to separate incumbent Lib Dem Bill Frame and Tory challenger Darius Laws. Eventually, Mr Frame was declared the winner by just 46 votes.

Returning councillor Justin Knight also struggled to overcome a Labour challenge for Old Heath ward, but eventually won by 69 votes.

Ron Levy, secretary of Colchester Ukip, said work would start next week to make a breakthrough at the 2015 general election.

Votes cast in the European Union election will be counted on Sunday.

 

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5:53am Fri 23 May 14

wormshero says...

Good news to wake up to. I guess locally at least Ukip voters are just a vocal minority. I've been hearing that voter turnout was good too.
Good news to wake up to. I guess locally at least Ukip voters are just a vocal minority. I've been hearing that voter turnout was good too. wormshero
  • Score: -23

6:01am Fri 23 May 14

Common Sense Voter says...

The three main parties have had years unaccountable to organise canvassers and candidates in this area. Colchester UKIP has only seriously been around for three or four years. But they are getting stronger and stronger come each election. Write of UKIP at your peril.
The three main parties have had years unaccountable to organise canvassers and candidates in this area. Colchester UKIP has only seriously been around for three or four years. But they are getting stronger and stronger come each election. Write of UKIP at your peril. Common Sense Voter
  • Score: 23

6:30am Fri 23 May 14

Common Sense Voter says...

And with no change at the council, how can anyone expect anything else other than the kind of debacle we've seen from the bus lane fiasco in Colchester town centre?
And with no change at the council, how can anyone expect anything else other than the kind of debacle we've seen from the bus lane fiasco in Colchester town centre? Common Sense Voter
  • Score: 60

8:47am Fri 23 May 14

catflap1 says...

Common Sense Voter wrote:
The three main parties have had years unaccountable to organise canvassers and candidates in this area. Colchester UKIP has only seriously been around for three or four years. But they are getting stronger and stronger come each election. Write of UKIP at your peril.
OOOOOOOOOOO get you "at my peril" ! what is ukip going to me if I call them the bunch of xenophobic tossers they are ?? come round burn my books make me wear a pink triangle ?
[quote][p][bold]Common Sense Voter[/bold] wrote: The three main parties have had years unaccountable to organise canvassers and candidates in this area. Colchester UKIP has only seriously been around for three or four years. But they are getting stronger and stronger come each election. Write of UKIP at your peril.[/p][/quote]OOOOOOOOOOO get you "at my peril" ! what is ukip going to me if I call them the bunch of xenophobic tossers they are ?? come round burn my books make me wear a pink triangle ? catflap1
  • Score: -5

9:08am Fri 23 May 14

Jess Jephcott says...

A resounding endorsement for the LibDems; quite a surprise for me. I was wrong in thinking that the Jumbo, town centre traffic and bus station situations were unpopular.
A resounding endorsement for the LibDems; quite a surprise for me. I was wrong in thinking that the Jumbo, town centre traffic and bus station situations were unpopular. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: 13

9:10am Fri 23 May 14

Ritchie_Hicks says...

Common Sense Voter wrote:
The three main parties have had years unaccountable to organise canvassers and candidates in this area. Colchester UKIP has only seriously been around for three or four years. But they are getting stronger and stronger come each election. Write of UKIP at your peril.
Still no MP's. Monster Biggot UKIP Party.
[quote][p][bold]Common Sense Voter[/bold] wrote: The three main parties have had years unaccountable to organise canvassers and candidates in this area. Colchester UKIP has only seriously been around for three or four years. But they are getting stronger and stronger come each election. Write of UKIP at your peril.[/p][/quote]Still no MP's. Monster Biggot UKIP Party. Ritchie_Hicks
  • Score: -21

9:20am Fri 23 May 14

Jack222 says...

UKIP - no MPs. Their percentage vote is actually the same this time around as last time; the increase in seats is only because they did not stand in many seats. And, finally the amount of seats they have look like being no more than half of the losers in the election the LDs.

And, if you consider their main mad platform of withdrawal from the EU with consequent destruction of our export industries - three quarters of the electorate voted for parties which want to stay in the Eu or a mildly reformed EU.

Pollsters have analysed their support - elderly, poorly educated and poor.....
UKIP - no MPs. Their percentage vote is actually the same this time around as last time; the increase in seats is only because they did not stand in many seats. And, finally the amount of seats they have look like being no more than half of the losers in the election the LDs. And, if you consider their main mad platform of withdrawal from the EU with consequent destruction of our export industries - three quarters of the electorate voted for parties which want to stay in the Eu or a mildly reformed EU. Pollsters have analysed their support - elderly, poorly educated and poor..... Jack222
  • Score: -13

9:43am Fri 23 May 14

Jack222 says...

And, of course, worth noting that a vote for UKIP is ironically a vote for Scottish independence - the breakup of the UK - as the EU is loved up there and UKIP is viewed as a mad 'little England' party...
And, of course, worth noting that a vote for UKIP is ironically a vote for Scottish independence - the breakup of the UK - as the EU is loved up there and UKIP is viewed as a mad 'little England' party... Jack222
  • Score: -11

9:45am Fri 23 May 14

wormshero says...

Jack222 wrote:
UKIP - no MPs. Their percentage vote is actually the same this time around as last time; the increase in seats is only because they did not stand in many seats. And, finally the amount of seats they have look like being no more than half of the losers in the election the LDs.

And, if you consider their main mad platform of withdrawal from the EU with consequent destruction of our export industries - three quarters of the electorate voted for parties which want to stay in the Eu or a mildly reformed EU.

Pollsters have analysed their support - elderly, poorly educated and poor.....
Agreed with the last part. Also a cursory glance it looks like the party who's main issue was immigration due to eu membership have done badly in places where there's high numbers of immigrants, and well in places where immigration numbers are low. Says a lot really - they pander well to people who are scared of non-existent problems. The quote from UKIP's spokesman on radio 4 this morning of "We don't tend to do well in London because it's cultural, educated and young" also sums up their (low) voter demographic pretty well.
[quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: UKIP - no MPs. Their percentage vote is actually the same this time around as last time; the increase in seats is only because they did not stand in many seats. And, finally the amount of seats they have look like being no more than half of the losers in the election the LDs. And, if you consider their main mad platform of withdrawal from the EU with consequent destruction of our export industries - three quarters of the electorate voted for parties which want to stay in the Eu or a mildly reformed EU. Pollsters have analysed their support - elderly, poorly educated and poor.....[/p][/quote]Agreed with the last part. Also a cursory glance it looks like the party who's main issue was immigration due to eu membership have done badly in places where there's high numbers of immigrants, and well in places where immigration numbers are low. Says a lot really - they pander well to people who are scared of non-existent problems. The quote from UKIP's spokesman on radio 4 this morning of "We don't tend to do well in London because it's cultural, educated and young" also sums up their (low) voter demographic pretty well. wormshero
  • Score: -16

10:58am Fri 23 May 14

Mark Goacher says...

It was very pleasing that the Green Party increased its share of the vote in several wards, however we have a lot of work to do. In New Town ward there was only a 29% turnout, which means that all parties failed to motivate 71% of the electorate to vote. We need to reach out to those disengaged voters and listen to them. Furthermore if we are to liberate Colchester from the Lib Dems then we must work hard for our wards now, not just at election times, to convince voters that we are serious and acting for them.
It was very pleasing that the Green Party increased its share of the vote in several wards, however we have a lot of work to do. In New Town ward there was only a 29% turnout, which means that all parties failed to motivate 71% of the electorate to vote. We need to reach out to those disengaged voters and listen to them. Furthermore if we are to liberate Colchester from the Lib Dems then we must work hard for our wards now, not just at election times, to convince voters that we are serious and acting for them. Mark Goacher
  • Score: -14

10:58am Fri 23 May 14

Shrubendlad says...

The Scottish vote in September is now the MAIN event.
Labour and the "Yellows" have everything to lose.
With only one seat,the vote is a win win for the Tories.
The Scottish vote in September is now the MAIN event. Labour and the "Yellows" have everything to lose. With only one seat,the vote is a win win for the Tories. Shrubendlad
  • Score: -13

12:18pm Fri 23 May 14

Oliver Guiness says...

Common Sense Voter wrote:
And with no change at the council, how can anyone expect anything else other than the kind of debacle we've seen from the bus lane fiasco in Colchester town centre?
Except that bus lanes is a county not borough decision
[quote][p][bold]Common Sense Voter[/bold] wrote: And with no change at the council, how can anyone expect anything else other than the kind of debacle we've seen from the bus lane fiasco in Colchester town centre?[/p][/quote]Except that bus lanes is a county not borough decision Oliver Guiness
  • Score: 1

12:19pm Fri 23 May 14

Mark Goacher says...

Here are the % changes across Colchester:

Green = + 1.33%
Conservatives = + 4.58%
Labour = - 7.36% (down)
Lib Dem = -9.95% (down)
UKIP = + 13.09%
Independent = - 1.06% (down)

So the Lib Dem % of the vote is down by nearly 10% but Labour is also down and by over 7%. I understand why people are losing faith in the Lib Dems but not why Labour are not benefitting from this.
The main increase is in the UKIP vote.
Here are the % changes across Colchester: Green = + 1.33% Conservatives = + 4.58% Labour = - 7.36% (down) Lib Dem = -9.95% (down) UKIP = + 13.09% Independent = - 1.06% (down) So the Lib Dem % of the vote is down by nearly 10% but Labour is also down and by over 7%. I understand why people are losing faith in the Lib Dems but not why Labour are not benefitting from this. The main increase is in the UKIP vote. Mark Goacher
  • Score: 24

12:29pm Fri 23 May 14

Riverwalks says...

As someone who moved away from Colchester 10 years ago, I'm bemused why the residents have voted yet again for a non descript council. NOC is a ridiculous state of affairs that has gone on for far too long.

As for the greens increasing share, wth is that about??? Have you not seen what a failure they've been in Brighton? Lib Dems are down the pan pretty much everywhere else and as for Bob Russel...I despair!

I can only think it's because it's a university town; the blinkered socialist views they get indoctrinated with during their schooling have yet to rub off as they have no experience of the real world.
As someone who moved away from Colchester 10 years ago, I'm bemused why the residents have voted yet again for a non descript council. NOC is a ridiculous state of affairs that has gone on for far too long. As for the greens increasing share, wth is that about??? Have you not seen what a failure they've been in Brighton? Lib Dems are down the pan pretty much everywhere else and as for Bob Russel...I despair! I can only think it's because it's a university town; the blinkered socialist views they get indoctrinated with during their schooling have yet to rub off as they have no experience of the real world. Riverwalks
  • Score: 17

12:34pm Fri 23 May 14

Riverwalks says...

Ahhh someone has posted the real changes and it's better than I thought, quite how the gazette can justify its piece above is beyond me! I take it back, well some of it, the people of Colchester I salute you!
Ahhh someone has posted the real changes and it's better than I thought, quite how the gazette can justify its piece above is beyond me! I take it back, well some of it, the people of Colchester I salute you! Riverwalks
  • Score: 7

12:56pm Fri 23 May 14

Mark Goacher says...

Some more statistics: the percentages for 2014 compared to 2012:

2012 2014
Greens 7.37% 8.70%
Tories 28.97% 33.55%
Labour 23.53% 16.17%
Lib dems 32.89% 22.94%
UKIP 2.68% 15.77%
Independent 3.93% 2.88%
Some more statistics: the percentages for 2014 compared to 2012: 2012 2014 Greens 7.37% 8.70% Tories 28.97% 33.55% Labour 23.53% 16.17% Lib dems 32.89% 22.94% UKIP 2.68% 15.77% Independent 3.93% 2.88% Mark Goacher
  • Score: 14

2:23pm Fri 23 May 14

wormshero says...

Riverwalks wrote:
As someone who moved away from Colchester 10 years ago, I'm bemused why the residents have voted yet again for a non descript council. NOC is a ridiculous state of affairs that has gone on for far too long.

As for the greens increasing share, wth is that about??? Have you not seen what a failure they've been in Brighton? Lib Dems are down the pan pretty much everywhere else and as for Bob Russel...I despair!

I can only think it's because it's a university town; the blinkered socialist views they get indoctrinated with during their schooling have yet to rub off as they have no experience of the real world.
It's weird, polls in Brighton seem to indicate people think the greens have been a success. I've seen a few national news stories quoting the contrary in the right wing press, but it's not backed up by the people who live there.

Given that half the university population can't vote in local elections, and a large number are still registered to their parents address I'm not sure the student vote has that much power to be honest. Certainly not a majority within this town anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Riverwalks[/bold] wrote: As someone who moved away from Colchester 10 years ago, I'm bemused why the residents have voted yet again for a non descript council. NOC is a ridiculous state of affairs that has gone on for far too long. As for the greens increasing share, wth is that about??? Have you not seen what a failure they've been in Brighton? Lib Dems are down the pan pretty much everywhere else and as for Bob Russel...I despair! I can only think it's because it's a university town; the blinkered socialist views they get indoctrinated with during their schooling have yet to rub off as they have no experience of the real world.[/p][/quote]It's weird, polls in Brighton seem to indicate people think the greens have been a success. I've seen a few national news stories quoting the contrary in the right wing press, but it's not backed up by the people who live there. Given that half the university population can't vote in local elections, and a large number are still registered to their parents address I'm not sure the student vote has that much power to be honest. Certainly not a majority within this town anyway. wormshero
  • Score: 7

2:32pm Fri 23 May 14

Scoot says...

And the real winners are the property developers because nothing will change in Colchester and they'll continue to build on every available scrap of green without any thought to the infrastructure. Colchester has decided - SNAFU
And the real winners are the property developers because nothing will change in Colchester and they'll continue to build on every available scrap of green without any thought to the infrastructure. Colchester has decided - SNAFU Scoot
  • Score: 14

2:37pm Fri 23 May 14

Boris says...

Mark Goacher wrote:
It was very pleasing that the Green Party increased its share of the vote in several wards, however we have a lot of work to do. In New Town ward there was only a 29% turnout, which means that all parties failed to motivate 71% of the electorate to vote. We need to reach out to those disengaged voters and listen to them. Furthermore if we are to liberate Colchester from the Lib Dems then we must work hard for our wards now, not just at election times, to convince voters that we are serious and acting for them.
Mark, you stood as a Green and you did quite well. Congratulations. But no Green is going to get elected while you have no local policies, and while you do not get involved with local issues and do not join in campaigns with other progressive parties.
My natural inclination is to vote Green, and the Green candidate in my ward is a personal friend, as is the Labour candidate, but I could not vote for either of them, because it was more important to keep the Tory out. So I had to vote for the Lib Dem (who is another personal friend).
For the Euro election, I had to vote Labour, because they have the best policy on Europe, and because Richard Howitt is a very good MEP.
[quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: It was very pleasing that the Green Party increased its share of the vote in several wards, however we have a lot of work to do. In New Town ward there was only a 29% turnout, which means that all parties failed to motivate 71% of the electorate to vote. We need to reach out to those disengaged voters and listen to them. Furthermore if we are to liberate Colchester from the Lib Dems then we must work hard for our wards now, not just at election times, to convince voters that we are serious and acting for them.[/p][/quote]Mark, you stood as a Green and you did quite well. Congratulations. But no Green is going to get elected while you have no local policies, and while you do not get involved with local issues and do not join in campaigns with other progressive parties. My natural inclination is to vote Green, and the Green candidate in my ward is a personal friend, as is the Labour candidate, but I could not vote for either of them, because it was more important to keep the Tory out. So I had to vote for the Lib Dem (who is another personal friend). For the Euro election, I had to vote Labour, because they have the best policy on Europe, and because Richard Howitt is a very good MEP. Boris
  • Score: -12

2:41pm Fri 23 May 14

Ritchie_Hicks says...

Boris wrote:
Mark Goacher wrote:
It was very pleasing that the Green Party increased its share of the vote in several wards, however we have a lot of work to do. In New Town ward there was only a 29% turnout, which means that all parties failed to motivate 71% of the electorate to vote. We need to reach out to those disengaged voters and listen to them. Furthermore if we are to liberate Colchester from the Lib Dems then we must work hard for our wards now, not just at election times, to convince voters that we are serious and acting for them.
Mark, you stood as a Green and you did quite well. Congratulations. But no Green is going to get elected while you have no local policies, and while you do not get involved with local issues and do not join in campaigns with other progressive parties.
My natural inclination is to vote Green, and the Green candidate in my ward is a personal friend, as is the Labour candidate, but I could not vote for either of them, because it was more important to keep the Tory out. So I had to vote for the Lib Dem (who is another personal friend).
For the Euro election, I had to vote Labour, because they have the best policy on Europe, and because Richard Howitt is a very good MEP.
Brighton and Hove is an example of where the Green party have got in and then seriously upset their local community. Ask most people who live in B&H what they think of the Green party and they've seldom a good word to say.
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: It was very pleasing that the Green Party increased its share of the vote in several wards, however we have a lot of work to do. In New Town ward there was only a 29% turnout, which means that all parties failed to motivate 71% of the electorate to vote. We need to reach out to those disengaged voters and listen to them. Furthermore if we are to liberate Colchester from the Lib Dems then we must work hard for our wards now, not just at election times, to convince voters that we are serious and acting for them.[/p][/quote]Mark, you stood as a Green and you did quite well. Congratulations. But no Green is going to get elected while you have no local policies, and while you do not get involved with local issues and do not join in campaigns with other progressive parties. My natural inclination is to vote Green, and the Green candidate in my ward is a personal friend, as is the Labour candidate, but I could not vote for either of them, because it was more important to keep the Tory out. So I had to vote for the Lib Dem (who is another personal friend). For the Euro election, I had to vote Labour, because they have the best policy on Europe, and because Richard Howitt is a very good MEP.[/p][/quote]Brighton and Hove is an example of where the Green party have got in and then seriously upset their local community. Ask most people who live in B&H what they think of the Green party and they've seldom a good word to say. Ritchie_Hicks
  • Score: 17

2:46pm Fri 23 May 14

Ritchie_Hicks says...

wormshero wrote:
Riverwalks wrote:
As someone who moved away from Colchester 10 years ago, I'm bemused why the residents have voted yet again for a non descript council. NOC is a ridiculous state of affairs that has gone on for far too long.

As for the greens increasing share, wth is that about??? Have you not seen what a failure they've been in Brighton? Lib Dems are down the pan pretty much everywhere else and as for Bob Russel...I despair!

I can only think it's because it's a university town; the blinkered socialist views they get indoctrinated with during their schooling have yet to rub off as they have no experience of the real world.
It's weird, polls in Brighton seem to indicate people think the greens have been a success. I've seen a few national news stories quoting the contrary in the right wing press, but it's not backed up by the people who live there.

Given that half the university population can't vote in local elections, and a large number are still registered to their parents address I'm not sure the student vote has that much power to be honest. Certainly not a majority within this town anyway.
Really? The people I know from Brighton can't stand them! The party has often suffered from infighting, a lack of money left the streets covered in rubbish. But if the polls say different then so be it.
[quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Riverwalks[/bold] wrote: As someone who moved away from Colchester 10 years ago, I'm bemused why the residents have voted yet again for a non descript council. NOC is a ridiculous state of affairs that has gone on for far too long. As for the greens increasing share, wth is that about??? Have you not seen what a failure they've been in Brighton? Lib Dems are down the pan pretty much everywhere else and as for Bob Russel...I despair! I can only think it's because it's a university town; the blinkered socialist views they get indoctrinated with during their schooling have yet to rub off as they have no experience of the real world.[/p][/quote]It's weird, polls in Brighton seem to indicate people think the greens have been a success. I've seen a few national news stories quoting the contrary in the right wing press, but it's not backed up by the people who live there. Given that half the university population can't vote in local elections, and a large number are still registered to their parents address I'm not sure the student vote has that much power to be honest. Certainly not a majority within this town anyway.[/p][/quote]Really? The people I know from Brighton can't stand them! The party has often suffered from infighting, a lack of money left the streets covered in rubbish. But if the polls say different then so be it. Ritchie_Hicks
  • Score: 12

3:33pm Fri 23 May 14

Mark Goacher says...

Boris wrote:
Mark Goacher wrote:
It was very pleasing that the Green Party increased its share of the vote in several wards, however we have a lot of work to do. In New Town ward there was only a 29% turnout, which means that all parties failed to motivate 71% of the electorate to vote. We need to reach out to those disengaged voters and listen to them. Furthermore if we are to liberate Colchester from the Lib Dems then we must work hard for our wards now, not just at election times, to convince voters that we are serious and acting for them.
Mark, you stood as a Green and you did quite well. Congratulations. But no Green is going to get elected while you have no local policies, and while you do not get involved with local issues and do not join in campaigns with other progressive parties.
My natural inclination is to vote Green, and the Green candidate in my ward is a personal friend, as is the Labour candidate, but I could not vote for either of them, because it was more important to keep the Tory out. So I had to vote for the Lib Dem (who is another personal friend).
For the Euro election, I had to vote Labour, because they have the best policy on Europe, and because Richard Howitt is a very good MEP.
Hi Boris,

I completely accept your point about how the Greens need to have more local policies and to get involved with local issues and campaigns. This is where the Lib Dems shine and we get the message. Its something we are determined to work on . However I disagree that voting Lib Dem is a way of keeping the Tory out. Its actually a way of keeping the Tories in, given that the Lib Dems nationally have happily voted for the majority of the reforms which have been initiated by the coalition government and have lent those reforms 'respectability'. I voted Lib Dem in 2010 and in doing so I voted Tory.
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: It was very pleasing that the Green Party increased its share of the vote in several wards, however we have a lot of work to do. In New Town ward there was only a 29% turnout, which means that all parties failed to motivate 71% of the electorate to vote. We need to reach out to those disengaged voters and listen to them. Furthermore if we are to liberate Colchester from the Lib Dems then we must work hard for our wards now, not just at election times, to convince voters that we are serious and acting for them.[/p][/quote]Mark, you stood as a Green and you did quite well. Congratulations. But no Green is going to get elected while you have no local policies, and while you do not get involved with local issues and do not join in campaigns with other progressive parties. My natural inclination is to vote Green, and the Green candidate in my ward is a personal friend, as is the Labour candidate, but I could not vote for either of them, because it was more important to keep the Tory out. So I had to vote for the Lib Dem (who is another personal friend). For the Euro election, I had to vote Labour, because they have the best policy on Europe, and because Richard Howitt is a very good MEP.[/p][/quote]Hi Boris, I completely accept your point about how the Greens need to have more local policies and to get involved with local issues and campaigns. This is where the Lib Dems shine and we get the message. Its something we are determined to work on . However I disagree that voting Lib Dem is a way of keeping the Tory out. Its actually a way of keeping the Tories in, given that the Lib Dems nationally have happily voted for the majority of the reforms which have been initiated by the coalition government and have lent those reforms 'respectability'. I voted Lib Dem in 2010 and in doing so I voted Tory. Mark Goacher
  • Score: 5

3:36pm Fri 23 May 14

Oliver Guiness says...

Riverwalks wrote:
As someone who moved away from Colchester 10 years ago, I'm bemused why the residents have voted yet again for a non descript council. NOC is a ridiculous state of affairs that has gone on for far too long.

As for the greens increasing share, wth is that about??? Have you not seen what a failure they've been in Brighton? Lib Dems are down the pan pretty much everywhere else and as for Bob Russel...I despair!

I can only think it's because it's a university town; the blinkered socialist views they get indoctrinated with during their schooling have yet to rub off as they have no experience of the real world.
Mainly because only a third are elected each time. It takes a long time to change.
[quote][p][bold]Riverwalks[/bold] wrote: As someone who moved away from Colchester 10 years ago, I'm bemused why the residents have voted yet again for a non descript council. NOC is a ridiculous state of affairs that has gone on for far too long. As for the greens increasing share, wth is that about??? Have you not seen what a failure they've been in Brighton? Lib Dems are down the pan pretty much everywhere else and as for Bob Russel...I despair! I can only think it's because it's a university town; the blinkered socialist views they get indoctrinated with during their schooling have yet to rub off as they have no experience of the real world.[/p][/quote]Mainly because only a third are elected each time. It takes a long time to change. Oliver Guiness
  • Score: 9

3:41pm Fri 23 May 14

Mark Goacher says...

Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
wormshero wrote:
Riverwalks wrote:
As someone who moved away from Colchester 10 years ago, I'm bemused why the residents have voted yet again for a non descript council. NOC is a ridiculous state of affairs that has gone on for far too long.

As for the greens increasing share, wth is that about??? Have you not seen what a failure they've been in Brighton? Lib Dems are down the pan pretty much everywhere else and as for Bob Russel...I despair!

I can only think it's because it's a university town; the blinkered socialist views they get indoctrinated with during their schooling have yet to rub off as they have no experience of the real world.
It's weird, polls in Brighton seem to indicate people think the greens have been a success. I've seen a few national news stories quoting the contrary in the right wing press, but it's not backed up by the people who live there.

Given that half the university population can't vote in local elections, and a large number are still registered to their parents address I'm not sure the student vote has that much power to be honest. Certainly not a majority within this town anyway.
Really? The people I know from Brighton can't stand them! The party has often suffered from infighting, a lack of money left the streets covered in rubbish. But if the polls say different then so be it.
There has been much misinformation about what is happening in Brighton. Opinion polls remain positive about the council and in particular the MP Caroline Lucas. The controversy is because the Greens refused to allow social provision for the elderly and disabled to be slashed. Many councils have done this and as a result 'home help' can consist of some private company sending round a low paid, badly trained person to your home on strict orders to be there for no more than 15 mins, regardless of the jobs that need doing. As such the clients get left sitting in their own mess or other such awfulness because the help is derisory. The Greens took the view that it was better to increase council tax than allow this kind of thing to continue.
[quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Riverwalks[/bold] wrote: As someone who moved away from Colchester 10 years ago, I'm bemused why the residents have voted yet again for a non descript council. NOC is a ridiculous state of affairs that has gone on for far too long. As for the greens increasing share, wth is that about??? Have you not seen what a failure they've been in Brighton? Lib Dems are down the pan pretty much everywhere else and as for Bob Russel...I despair! I can only think it's because it's a university town; the blinkered socialist views they get indoctrinated with during their schooling have yet to rub off as they have no experience of the real world.[/p][/quote]It's weird, polls in Brighton seem to indicate people think the greens have been a success. I've seen a few national news stories quoting the contrary in the right wing press, but it's not backed up by the people who live there. Given that half the university population can't vote in local elections, and a large number are still registered to their parents address I'm not sure the student vote has that much power to be honest. Certainly not a majority within this town anyway.[/p][/quote]Really? The people I know from Brighton can't stand them! The party has often suffered from infighting, a lack of money left the streets covered in rubbish. But if the polls say different then so be it.[/p][/quote]There has been much misinformation about what is happening in Brighton. Opinion polls remain positive about the council and in particular the MP Caroline Lucas. The controversy is because the Greens refused to allow social provision for the elderly and disabled to be slashed. Many councils have done this and as a result 'home help' can consist of some private company sending round a low paid, badly trained person to your home on strict orders to be there for no more than 15 mins, regardless of the jobs that need doing. As such the clients get left sitting in their own mess or other such awfulness because the help is derisory. The Greens took the view that it was better to increase council tax than allow this kind of thing to continue. Mark Goacher
  • Score: -3

3:41pm Fri 23 May 14

Oliver Guiness says...

Mark Goacher wrote:
Some more statistics: the percentages for 2014 compared to 2012:

2012 2014
Greens 7.37% 8.70%
Tories 28.97% 33.55%
Labour 23.53% 16.17%
Lib dems 32.89% 22.94%
UKIP 2.68% 15.77%
Independent 3.93% 2.88%
Liberals have always wanted proportional representation. Must be glad now they that don't.
[quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: Some more statistics: the percentages for 2014 compared to 2012: 2012 2014 Greens 7.37% 8.70% Tories 28.97% 33.55% Labour 23.53% 16.17% Lib dems 32.89% 22.94% UKIP 2.68% 15.77% Independent 3.93% 2.88%[/p][/quote]Liberals have always wanted proportional representation. Must be glad now they that don't. Oliver Guiness
  • Score: 5

4:47pm Fri 23 May 14

The Truth Hurts* says...

Bid sigh of relief not for stanway, a 19 year old at college and her mother another political heavyweight all female brigade, what a joke? The most up and coming area in the town now controlled by the proverbial time of the month. What was going on the voters minds? Its a disaster in the making.
Bid sigh of relief not for stanway, a 19 year old at college and her mother another political heavyweight all female brigade, what a joke? The most up and coming area in the town now controlled by the proverbial time of the month. What was going on the voters minds? Its a disaster in the making. The Truth Hurts*
  • Score: 1

4:50pm Fri 23 May 14

Shrubendlad says...

Whatever the figures-Its the same old crowd lining their pensions with taxpayers money-patting each other on the back and showing black and white pictures of themselves in 1974.
Whatever the figures-Its the same old crowd lining their pensions with taxpayers money-patting each other on the back and showing black and white pictures of themselves in 1974. Shrubendlad
  • Score: 5

5:33pm Fri 23 May 14

Carlosfandangles says...

I still think the ukip protest vote will be more felt in the euro rather than local election. Sundays figures will be interesting.
I still think the ukip protest vote will be more felt in the euro rather than local election. Sundays figures will be interesting. Carlosfandangles
  • Score: 15

7:40pm Fri 23 May 14

seikothrill says...

Carlosfandangles wrote:
I still think the ukip protest vote will be more felt in the euro rather than local election. Sundays figures will be interesting.
That is my view as well.

My vote locally was different to that in the Euro's
[quote][p][bold]Carlosfandangles[/bold] wrote: I still think the ukip protest vote will be more felt in the euro rather than local election. Sundays figures will be interesting.[/p][/quote]That is my view as well. My vote locally was different to that in the Euro's seikothrill
  • Score: 11

10:53pm Fri 23 May 14

cjking says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
A resounding endorsement for the LibDems; quite a surprise for me. I was wrong in thinking that the Jumbo, town centre traffic and bus station situations were unpopular.
This is a great post, sums up my feelings as welI : I just don't understand how anyone can vote Lib Dem. what have they actually done in Colchester? Closing Tymperleys Clock museum, closing the Old Library for public use such as weddings and and no strategy for giving Colchester an identity. Defies belief. On the positive, having such a setup of a debacle of a non vision is great for keeping our house prices low!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: A resounding endorsement for the LibDems; quite a surprise for me. I was wrong in thinking that the Jumbo, town centre traffic and bus station situations were unpopular.[/p][/quote]This is a great post, sums up my feelings as welI : I just don't understand how anyone can vote Lib Dem. what have they actually done in Colchester? Closing Tymperleys Clock museum, closing the Old Library for public use such as weddings and and no strategy for giving Colchester an identity. Defies belief. On the positive, having such a setup of a debacle of a non vision is great for keeping our house prices low!!! cjking
  • Score: 5

10:57pm Fri 23 May 14

cjking says...

Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
Boris wrote:
Mark Goacher wrote:
It was very pleasing that the Green Party increased its share of the vote in several wards, however we have a lot of work to do. In New Town ward there was only a 29% turnout, which means that all parties failed to motivate 71% of the electorate to vote. We need to reach out to those disengaged voters and listen to them. Furthermore if we are to liberate Colchester from the Lib Dems then we must work hard for our wards now, not just at election times, to convince voters that we are serious and acting for them.
Mark, you stood as a Green and you did quite well. Congratulations. But no Green is going to get elected while you have no local policies, and while you do not get involved with local issues and do not join in campaigns with other progressive parties.
My natural inclination is to vote Green, and the Green candidate in my ward is a personal friend, as is the Labour candidate, but I could not vote for either of them, because it was more important to keep the Tory out. So I had to vote for the Lib Dem (who is another personal friend).
For the Euro election, I had to vote Labour, because they have the best policy on Europe, and because Richard Howitt is a very good MEP.
Brighton and Hove is an example of where the Green party have got in and then seriously upset their local community. Ask most people who live in B&H what they think of the Green party and they've seldom a good word to say.
My Mum lives in Brighton and I am from there, Brighton & Hove Green council don't even have a decent recycling policy. "It's too expensive". Figure that one out....
[quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: It was very pleasing that the Green Party increased its share of the vote in several wards, however we have a lot of work to do. In New Town ward there was only a 29% turnout, which means that all parties failed to motivate 71% of the electorate to vote. We need to reach out to those disengaged voters and listen to them. Furthermore if we are to liberate Colchester from the Lib Dems then we must work hard for our wards now, not just at election times, to convince voters that we are serious and acting for them.[/p][/quote]Mark, you stood as a Green and you did quite well. Congratulations. But no Green is going to get elected while you have no local policies, and while you do not get involved with local issues and do not join in campaigns with other progressive parties. My natural inclination is to vote Green, and the Green candidate in my ward is a personal friend, as is the Labour candidate, but I could not vote for either of them, because it was more important to keep the Tory out. So I had to vote for the Lib Dem (who is another personal friend). For the Euro election, I had to vote Labour, because they have the best policy on Europe, and because Richard Howitt is a very good MEP.[/p][/quote]Brighton and Hove is an example of where the Green party have got in and then seriously upset their local community. Ask most people who live in B&H what they think of the Green party and they've seldom a good word to say.[/p][/quote]My Mum lives in Brighton and I am from there, Brighton & Hove Green council don't even have a decent recycling policy. "It's too expensive". Figure that one out.... cjking
  • Score: 7

12:46am Sat 24 May 14

Boris says...

Riverwalks wrote:
As someone who moved away from Colchester 10 years ago, I'm bemused why the residents have voted yet again for a non descript council. NOC is a ridiculous state of affairs that has gone on for far too long.

As for the greens increasing share, wth is that about??? Have you not seen what a failure they've been in Brighton? Lib Dems are down the pan pretty much everywhere else and as for Bob Russel...I despair!

I can only think it's because it's a university town; the blinkered socialist views they get indoctrinated with during their schooling have yet to rub off as they have no experience of the real world.
Riverwalks, clearly you are a Tory who is nostalgic for the years when your party had an overall majority on our council. That ended in 2008, following the catastrophic decision to build the VAF on the bus station, rather than on the site allocated for it on Queen Street. The Tories lost six seats then, and have lost one or two more since.
For the past six years, CBC has been run by a stable coalition of Lib Dems, Labour and High Woods councillors. They have made many mistakes, but none as bad as that by the Tories. That is why they keep getting re-elected.
There is nothing remotely ridiculous about a council having no overall control. Many councils are in the same position. Long may Colchester continue to be run by a council that is far from nondescript, which leaves a lot to be desired, but which is a lot better than would be the case if it was controlled by a single party.
[quote][p][bold]Riverwalks[/bold] wrote: As someone who moved away from Colchester 10 years ago, I'm bemused why the residents have voted yet again for a non descript council. NOC is a ridiculous state of affairs that has gone on for far too long. As for the greens increasing share, wth is that about??? Have you not seen what a failure they've been in Brighton? Lib Dems are down the pan pretty much everywhere else and as for Bob Russel...I despair! I can only think it's because it's a university town; the blinkered socialist views they get indoctrinated with during their schooling have yet to rub off as they have no experience of the real world.[/p][/quote]Riverwalks, clearly you are a Tory who is nostalgic for the years when your party had an overall majority on our council. That ended in 2008, following the catastrophic decision to build the VAF on the bus station, rather than on the site allocated for it on Queen Street. The Tories lost six seats then, and have lost one or two more since. For the past six years, CBC has been run by a stable coalition of Lib Dems, Labour and High Woods councillors. They have made many mistakes, but none as bad as that by the Tories. That is why they keep getting re-elected. There is nothing remotely ridiculous about a council having no overall control. Many councils are in the same position. Long may Colchester continue to be run by a council that is far from nondescript, which leaves a lot to be desired, but which is a lot better than would be the case if it was controlled by a single party. Boris
  • Score: -3

1:22am Sat 24 May 14

Boris says...

Mark Goacher wrote:
Boris wrote:
Mark Goacher wrote:
It was very pleasing that the Green Party increased its share of the vote in several wards, however we have a lot of work to do. In New Town ward there was only a 29% turnout, which means that all parties failed to motivate 71% of the electorate to vote. We need to reach out to those disengaged voters and listen to them. Furthermore if we are to liberate Colchester from the Lib Dems then we must work hard for our wards now, not just at election times, to convince voters that we are serious and acting for them.
Mark, you stood as a Green and you did quite well. Congratulations. But no Green is going to get elected while you have no local policies, and while you do not get involved with local issues and do not join in campaigns with other progressive parties.
My natural inclination is to vote Green, and the Green candidate in my ward is a personal friend, as is the Labour candidate, but I could not vote for either of them, because it was more important to keep the Tory out. So I had to vote for the Lib Dem (who is another personal friend).
For the Euro election, I had to vote Labour, because they have the best policy on Europe, and because Richard Howitt is a very good MEP.
Hi Boris,

I completely accept your point about how the Greens need to have more local policies and to get involved with local issues and campaigns. This is where the Lib Dems shine and we get the message. Its something we are determined to work on . However I disagree that voting Lib Dem is a way of keeping the Tory out. Its actually a way of keeping the Tories in, given that the Lib Dems nationally have happily voted for the majority of the reforms which have been initiated by the coalition government and have lent those reforms 'respectability'. I voted Lib Dem in 2010 and in doing so I voted Tory.
Mark, thanks for your comments. However, you are confusing the national with the local situation. Of course the performance of Nick Clegg and his Lib Dem MPs has been contemptible. Bob Russell has been a bid disappointment in that he has voted for practically all of the Cameron/Clegg legislation. I had expected him to rebel on some at least of the more oppressive measures. He has been sound on foreign policy issues such as Cuba, Venezuela and Palestine, and I respect him for that. But his saving grace has been his support for important Colchester causes, such as trying to save the bus station, and currently his efforts to help save Jumbo. I also know how hard he has worked for countless constituents, many of them not his supporters, but because it is his duty to help them, and he does that better than most MPs.
You cannot compare national with local government. Locally, the Tories have been a disaster, and they would again be a disaster if they got back in control. They would, for example, allow a developer to degrade Jumbo, as was proposed twice in recent years, because they see encouragement of commercial development as more important than the conservation of historic buildings.
[quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: It was very pleasing that the Green Party increased its share of the vote in several wards, however we have a lot of work to do. In New Town ward there was only a 29% turnout, which means that all parties failed to motivate 71% of the electorate to vote. We need to reach out to those disengaged voters and listen to them. Furthermore if we are to liberate Colchester from the Lib Dems then we must work hard for our wards now, not just at election times, to convince voters that we are serious and acting for them.[/p][/quote]Mark, you stood as a Green and you did quite well. Congratulations. But no Green is going to get elected while you have no local policies, and while you do not get involved with local issues and do not join in campaigns with other progressive parties. My natural inclination is to vote Green, and the Green candidate in my ward is a personal friend, as is the Labour candidate, but I could not vote for either of them, because it was more important to keep the Tory out. So I had to vote for the Lib Dem (who is another personal friend). For the Euro election, I had to vote Labour, because they have the best policy on Europe, and because Richard Howitt is a very good MEP.[/p][/quote]Hi Boris, I completely accept your point about how the Greens need to have more local policies and to get involved with local issues and campaigns. This is where the Lib Dems shine and we get the message. Its something we are determined to work on . However I disagree that voting Lib Dem is a way of keeping the Tory out. Its actually a way of keeping the Tories in, given that the Lib Dems nationally have happily voted for the majority of the reforms which have been initiated by the coalition government and have lent those reforms 'respectability'. I voted Lib Dem in 2010 and in doing so I voted Tory.[/p][/quote]Mark, thanks for your comments. However, you are confusing the national with the local situation. Of course the performance of Nick Clegg and his Lib Dem MPs has been contemptible. Bob Russell has been a bid disappointment in that he has voted for practically all of the Cameron/Clegg legislation. I had expected him to rebel on some at least of the more oppressive measures. He has been sound on foreign policy issues such as Cuba, Venezuela and Palestine, and I respect him for that. But his saving grace has been his support for important Colchester causes, such as trying to save the bus station, and currently his efforts to help save Jumbo. I also know how hard he has worked for countless constituents, many of them not his supporters, but because it is his duty to help them, and he does that better than most MPs. You cannot compare national with local government. Locally, the Tories have been a disaster, and they would again be a disaster if they got back in control. They would, for example, allow a developer to degrade Jumbo, as was proposed twice in recent years, because they see encouragement of commercial development as more important than the conservation of historic buildings. Boris
  • Score: -7

1:26am Sat 24 May 14

Boris says...

a big disappointment (sorry)
a big disappointment (sorry) Boris
  • Score: -6

3:37am Sat 24 May 14

Shrubendlad says...

The Yellows want Colchester to be ruled by an Unelected European Commission. Don't be fooled by SirBobalob and 43 years of propaganda.
The Greens have thrown out the Yellows in the Midlands-Why not here?
The Yellows want Colchester to be ruled by an Unelected European Commission. Don't be fooled by SirBobalob and 43 years of propaganda. The Greens have thrown out the Yellows in the Midlands-Why not here? Shrubendlad
  • Score: -4

5:40am Sat 24 May 14

Rhinestone Cowboy* says...

Boris wrote:
a big disappointment (sorry)
Bob Russell is Boris?
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: a big disappointment (sorry)[/p][/quote]Bob Russell is Boris? Rhinestone Cowboy*
  • Score: 6

6:57am Sat 24 May 14

Shaneblackdarkknight says...

The worst council in the country they are the pits and where on earth all the money goes well say no more .
The worst council in the country they are the pits and where on earth all the money goes well say no more . Shaneblackdarkknight
  • Score: 9

9:14am Sat 24 May 14

Reginald47 says...

The Truth Hurts* wrote:
Bid sigh of relief not for stanway, a 19 year old at college and her mother another political heavyweight all female brigade, what a joke? The most up and coming area in the town now controlled by the proverbial time of the month. What was going on the voters minds? Its a disaster in the making.
This is a disgusting comment from a very sick person. You should stick your head in the toilet and pull the chain.
[quote][p][bold]The Truth Hurts*[/bold] wrote: Bid sigh of relief not for stanway, a 19 year old at college and her mother another political heavyweight all female brigade, what a joke? The most up and coming area in the town now controlled by the proverbial time of the month. What was going on the voters minds? Its a disaster in the making.[/p][/quote]This is a disgusting comment from a very sick person. You should stick your head in the toilet and pull the chain. Reginald47
  • Score: 2

9:41am Sat 24 May 14

mirokou says...

Reginald47 wrote:
The Truth Hurts* wrote:
Bid sigh of relief not for stanway, a 19 year old at college and her mother another political heavyweight all female brigade, what a joke? The most up and coming area in the town now controlled by the proverbial time of the month. What was going on the voters minds? Its a disaster in the making.
This is a disgusting comment from a very sick person. You should stick your head in the toilet and pull the chain.
As much as Reginald47 comments at the end are a little abhorrent ,i have to agree with the first part..I strongly believe that the name game was played there and that the local Conservative candidate should appeal . Having read her literature at no time made did it make clear that it was in fact her 19 year old daughter standing. The leaflets were poorly printed and unless you read it thoroughly you suddenly realised it was her daughter. i have no issues with Lesley Scott Boutrell, very active local councillor for Stanway, but there has been under hand canvassing over clear display of names… I have no intention of putting Stanway development in the hands of 19 year old girl. And if any councillor mentions potholes again…aaaaaaaahhhh
h
[quote][p][bold]Reginald47[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Truth Hurts*[/bold] wrote: Bid sigh of relief not for stanway, a 19 year old at college and her mother another political heavyweight all female brigade, what a joke? The most up and coming area in the town now controlled by the proverbial time of the month. What was going on the voters minds? Its a disaster in the making.[/p][/quote]This is a disgusting comment from a very sick person. You should stick your head in the toilet and pull the chain.[/p][/quote]As much as Reginald47 comments at the end are a little abhorrent ,i have to agree with the first part..I strongly believe that the name game was played there and that the local Conservative candidate should appeal . Having read her literature at no time made did it make clear that it was in fact her 19 year old daughter standing. The leaflets were poorly printed and unless you read it thoroughly you suddenly realised it was her daughter. i have no issues with Lesley Scott Boutrell, very active local councillor for Stanway, but there has been under hand canvassing over clear display of names… I have no intention of putting Stanway development in the hands of 19 year old girl. And if any councillor mentions potholes again…aaaaaaaahhhh h mirokou
  • Score: 8

11:45am Sat 24 May 14

Captain SpaceAce says...

Boris you are right inasmuch as one shouldn’t take the national situation into consideration when voting locally, but I just can’t bring myself to vote Lib Dem ever again after the pas four years’ disappointment. As a party as a whole they should be ashamed of themselves for enabling the tories to do what they have done. The Higgins’ should stand as independents; I’d find it easier to vote for them then.

Also, whilst I see your point about voting Lib Dem to keep the Tories out locally, once you start thinking like that democracy stops working. Perhaps if all the people who thought like that actually voted for the party they really agree with (say Greens or *shudder* UKIP if you’re of that persuasion) then we’d actually see a bit of change.
Boris you are right inasmuch as one shouldn’t take the national situation into consideration when voting locally, but I just can’t bring myself to vote Lib Dem ever again after the pas four years’ disappointment. As a party as a whole they should be ashamed of themselves for enabling the tories to do what they have done. The Higgins’ should stand as independents; I’d find it easier to vote for them then. Also, whilst I see your point about voting Lib Dem to keep the Tories out locally, once you start thinking like that democracy stops working. Perhaps if all the people who thought like that actually voted for the party they really agree with (say Greens or *shudder* UKIP if you’re of that persuasion) then we’d actually see a bit of change. Captain SpaceAce
  • Score: -2

12:38pm Sat 24 May 14

Boris says...

Captain SpaceAce wrote:
Boris you are right inasmuch as one shouldn’t take the national situation into consideration when voting locally, but I just can’t bring myself to vote Lib Dem ever again after the pas four years’ disappointment. As a party as a whole they should be ashamed of themselves for enabling the tories to do what they have done. The Higgins’ should stand as independents; I’d find it easier to vote for them then.

Also, whilst I see your point about voting Lib Dem to keep the Tories out locally, once you start thinking like that democracy stops working. Perhaps if all the people who thought like that actually voted for the party they really agree with (say Greens or *shudder* UKIP if you’re of that persuasion) then we’d actually see a bit of change.
A few years ago there was a serious hope of getting a fair voting system, i.e. proportional representation. We didn't get it. Without that, it is immensely hard for a nice but niche party like the Greens to make headway. I want to make the most effective use of my vote while i am alive.
[quote][p][bold]Captain SpaceAce[/bold] wrote: Boris you are right inasmuch as one shouldn’t take the national situation into consideration when voting locally, but I just can’t bring myself to vote Lib Dem ever again after the pas four years’ disappointment. As a party as a whole they should be ashamed of themselves for enabling the tories to do what they have done. The Higgins’ should stand as independents; I’d find it easier to vote for them then. Also, whilst I see your point about voting Lib Dem to keep the Tories out locally, once you start thinking like that democracy stops working. Perhaps if all the people who thought like that actually voted for the party they really agree with (say Greens or *shudder* UKIP if you’re of that persuasion) then we’d actually see a bit of change.[/p][/quote]A few years ago there was a serious hope of getting a fair voting system, i.e. proportional representation. We didn't get it. Without that, it is immensely hard for a nice but niche party like the Greens to make headway. I want to make the most effective use of my vote while i am alive. Boris
  • Score: -2

12:49pm Sat 24 May 14

Shrubendlad says...

Boris-Your Party was humiliated in the PR referendum.
The Yellows have lost their "campaigning" ways.
They are defending their record in Government-and losing.
3 results(Euros ,Scots, and General) due inside `12 months now.
Not looking good!!
Boris-Your Party was humiliated in the PR referendum. The Yellows have lost their "campaigning" ways. They are defending their record in Government-and losing. 3 results(Euros ,Scots, and General) due inside `12 months now. Not looking good!! Shrubendlad
  • Score: -2

1:11pm Sat 24 May 14

Cllr Martin Hunt says...

Shrubendlad wrote:
Whatever the figures-Its the same old crowd lining their pensions with taxpayers money-patting each other on the back and showing black and white pictures of themselves in 1974.
Councillors don't get pensions, but they may use 1974 pix of themselves on Facebook not that it's anything to do with you as this isn't Facebook.
[quote][p][bold]Shrubendlad[/bold] wrote: Whatever the figures-Its the same old crowd lining their pensions with taxpayers money-patting each other on the back and showing black and white pictures of themselves in 1974.[/p][/quote]Councillors don't get pensions, but they may use 1974 pix of themselves on Facebook not that it's anything to do with you as this isn't Facebook. Cllr Martin Hunt
  • Score: -3

1:20pm Sat 24 May 14

Cllr Martin Hunt says...

Rhinestone Cowboy* wrote:
Boris wrote: a big disappointment (sorry)
Bob Russell is Boris?
I know both Bob Russell and Boris and I can assure you they are not the same person by any stretch of the imagination.
[quote][p][bold]Rhinestone Cowboy*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: a big disappointment (sorry)[/p][/quote]Bob Russell is Boris?[/p][/quote]I know both Bob Russell and Boris and I can assure you they are not the same person by any stretch of the imagination. Cllr Martin Hunt
  • Score: 1

1:21pm Sat 24 May 14

Cllr Martin Hunt says...

Shaneblackdarkknight wrote:
The worst council in the country they are the pits and where on earth all the money goes well say no more .
Please do say more, I'd be fascinated.
[quote][p][bold]Shaneblackdarkknight[/bold] wrote: The worst council in the country they are the pits and where on earth all the money goes well say no more .[/p][/quote]Please do say more, I'd be fascinated. Cllr Martin Hunt
  • Score: 0

7:56pm Sat 24 May 14

Mark Goacher says...

Boris wrote:
Mark Goacher wrote:
Boris wrote:
Mark Goacher wrote: It was very pleasing that the Green Party increased its share of the vote in several wards, however we have a lot of work to do. In New Town ward there was only a 29% turnout, which means that all parties failed to motivate 71% of the electorate to vote. We need to reach out to those disengaged voters and listen to them. Furthermore if we are to liberate Colchester from the Lib Dems then we must work hard for our wards now, not just at election times, to convince voters that we are serious and acting for them.
Mark, you stood as a Green and you did quite well. Congratulations. But no Green is going to get elected while you have no local policies, and while you do not get involved with local issues and do not join in campaigns with other progressive parties. My natural inclination is to vote Green, and the Green candidate in my ward is a personal friend, as is the Labour candidate, but I could not vote for either of them, because it was more important to keep the Tory out. So I had to vote for the Lib Dem (who is another personal friend). For the Euro election, I had to vote Labour, because they have the best policy on Europe, and because Richard Howitt is a very good MEP.
Hi Boris, I completely accept your point about how the Greens need to have more local policies and to get involved with local issues and campaigns. This is where the Lib Dems shine and we get the message. Its something we are determined to work on . However I disagree that voting Lib Dem is a way of keeping the Tory out. Its actually a way of keeping the Tories in, given that the Lib Dems nationally have happily voted for the majority of the reforms which have been initiated by the coalition government and have lent those reforms 'respectability'. I voted Lib Dem in 2010 and in doing so I voted Tory.
Mark, thanks for your comments. However, you are confusing the national with the local situation. Of course the performance of Nick Clegg and his Lib Dem MPs has been contemptible. Bob Russell has been a bid disappointment in that he has voted for practically all of the Cameron/Clegg legislation. I had expected him to rebel on some at least of the more oppressive measures. He has been sound on foreign policy issues such as Cuba, Venezuela and Palestine, and I respect him for that. But his saving grace has been his support for important Colchester causes, such as trying to save the bus station, and currently his efforts to help save Jumbo. I also know how hard he has worked for countless constituents, many of them not his supporters, but because it is his duty to help them, and he does that better than most MPs. You cannot compare national with local government. Locally, the Tories have been a disaster, and they would again be a disaster if they got back in control. They would, for example, allow a developer to degrade Jumbo, as was proposed twice in recent years, because they see encouragement of commercial development as more important than the conservation of historic buildings.
Hi Boris,
I agree with you that Bob Russell is an excellent constituency MP who works hard. He has campaigned against some awful development proposals and he works hard for constituents. But I simply don't believe that you can just compartmentalise local and national issues. That way politicians are never punished for their actions nationally or for their allegiances. For example there are MPs who happily vote to close hospitals nationally and yet campaign vigorously against the closure of their local hospital in order to stay in their job. If you don't make a point (and the only way to do this is by voting) then they will carry on as they are.
Moreover I'm not convinced that the Lib Dems are great on the borough council. They are not exactly the pushover for developers that the tories are however they have allowed a lot of green space to be concreted over and their shenanegans with high street traffic restriction were farcical. As for the perennial issues of dogs fouling pavements and pot-holes well there are still plenty of both in New Town. Morant Rd, King Stephen Road & Artillery Street are so bad that I've noticed that people have resorted to circling the dog mess with chalk and writing "please clear up your dog's mess" next to it. And there is a pot hole in the road near to a certain Lib Dem councillor's own house......
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: It was very pleasing that the Green Party increased its share of the vote in several wards, however we have a lot of work to do. In New Town ward there was only a 29% turnout, which means that all parties failed to motivate 71% of the electorate to vote. We need to reach out to those disengaged voters and listen to them. Furthermore if we are to liberate Colchester from the Lib Dems then we must work hard for our wards now, not just at election times, to convince voters that we are serious and acting for them.[/p][/quote]Mark, you stood as a Green and you did quite well. Congratulations. But no Green is going to get elected while you have no local policies, and while you do not get involved with local issues and do not join in campaigns with other progressive parties. My natural inclination is to vote Green, and the Green candidate in my ward is a personal friend, as is the Labour candidate, but I could not vote for either of them, because it was more important to keep the Tory out. So I had to vote for the Lib Dem (who is another personal friend). For the Euro election, I had to vote Labour, because they have the best policy on Europe, and because Richard Howitt is a very good MEP.[/p][/quote]Hi Boris, I completely accept your point about how the Greens need to have more local policies and to get involved with local issues and campaigns. This is where the Lib Dems shine and we get the message. Its something we are determined to work on . However I disagree that voting Lib Dem is a way of keeping the Tory out. Its actually a way of keeping the Tories in, given that the Lib Dems nationally have happily voted for the majority of the reforms which have been initiated by the coalition government and have lent those reforms 'respectability'. I voted Lib Dem in 2010 and in doing so I voted Tory.[/p][/quote]Mark, thanks for your comments. However, you are confusing the national with the local situation. Of course the performance of Nick Clegg and his Lib Dem MPs has been contemptible. Bob Russell has been a bid disappointment in that he has voted for practically all of the Cameron/Clegg legislation. I had expected him to rebel on some at least of the more oppressive measures. He has been sound on foreign policy issues such as Cuba, Venezuela and Palestine, and I respect him for that. But his saving grace has been his support for important Colchester causes, such as trying to save the bus station, and currently his efforts to help save Jumbo. I also know how hard he has worked for countless constituents, many of them not his supporters, but because it is his duty to help them, and he does that better than most MPs. You cannot compare national with local government. Locally, the Tories have been a disaster, and they would again be a disaster if they got back in control. They would, for example, allow a developer to degrade Jumbo, as was proposed twice in recent years, because they see encouragement of commercial development as more important than the conservation of historic buildings.[/p][/quote]Hi Boris, I agree with you that Bob Russell is an excellent constituency MP who works hard. He has campaigned against some awful development proposals and he works hard for constituents. But I simply don't believe that you can just compartmentalise local and national issues. That way politicians are never punished for their actions nationally or for their allegiances. For example there are MPs who happily vote to close hospitals nationally and yet campaign vigorously against the closure of their local hospital in order to stay in their job. If you don't make a point (and the only way to do this is by voting) then they will carry on as they are. Moreover I'm not convinced that the Lib Dems are great on the borough council. They are not exactly the pushover for developers that the tories are however they have allowed a lot of green space to be concreted over and their shenanegans with high street traffic restriction were farcical. As for the perennial issues of dogs fouling pavements and pot-holes well there are still plenty of both in New Town. Morant Rd, King Stephen Road & Artillery Street are so bad that I've noticed that people have resorted to circling the dog mess with chalk and writing "please clear up your dog's mess" next to it. And there is a pot hole in the road near to a certain Lib Dem councillor's own house...... Mark Goacher
  • Score: -5

8:12pm Sat 24 May 14

Mark Goacher says...

Boris wrote:
Captain SpaceAce wrote: Boris you are right inasmuch as one shouldn’t take the national situation into consideration when voting locally, but I just can’t bring myself to vote Lib Dem ever again after the pas four years’ disappointment. As a party as a whole they should be ashamed of themselves for enabling the tories to do what they have done. The Higgins’ should stand as independents; I’d find it easier to vote for them then. Also, whilst I see your point about voting Lib Dem to keep the Tories out locally, once you start thinking like that democracy stops working. Perhaps if all the people who thought like that actually voted for the party they really agree with (say Greens or *shudder* UKIP if you’re of that persuasion) then we’d actually see a bit of change.
A few years ago there was a serious hope of getting a fair voting system, i.e. proportional representation. We didn't get it. Without that, it is immensely hard for a nice but niche party like the Greens to make headway. I want to make the most effective use of my vote while i am alive.
I would certainly question the term "niche party" to describe the Greens. It is a myth that the only policies that the Greens have are to do with the environment. While its true that locally the Greens favour using brownfield sites for development rather than greenfield ones, we also have a local plan that includes expanding the new bus station, fighting the planned hospital closure and sorting out crime in the St Botolphs / Queen St area by cracking down on clubs & drugs. Nationally the Greens are the only party that fully opposes NHS privatisation. While it is true that we are small, I'd suggest that if you want a big party then voting Labour would be a better use of your vote than voting for a party which acts as a sugar coating on the Tory brand detoxifying the image of policies to the right of Mrs Thatcher.
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain SpaceAce[/bold] wrote: Boris you are right inasmuch as one shouldn’t take the national situation into consideration when voting locally, but I just can’t bring myself to vote Lib Dem ever again after the pas four years’ disappointment. As a party as a whole they should be ashamed of themselves for enabling the tories to do what they have done. The Higgins’ should stand as independents; I’d find it easier to vote for them then. Also, whilst I see your point about voting Lib Dem to keep the Tories out locally, once you start thinking like that democracy stops working. Perhaps if all the people who thought like that actually voted for the party they really agree with (say Greens or *shudder* UKIP if you’re of that persuasion) then we’d actually see a bit of change.[/p][/quote]A few years ago there was a serious hope of getting a fair voting system, i.e. proportional representation. We didn't get it. Without that, it is immensely hard for a nice but niche party like the Greens to make headway. I want to make the most effective use of my vote while i am alive.[/p][/quote]I would certainly question the term "niche party" to describe the Greens. It is a myth that the only policies that the Greens have are to do with the environment. While its true that locally the Greens favour using brownfield sites for development rather than greenfield ones, we also have a local plan that includes expanding the new bus station, fighting the planned hospital closure and sorting out crime in the St Botolphs / Queen St area by cracking down on clubs & drugs. Nationally the Greens are the only party that fully opposes NHS privatisation. While it is true that we are small, I'd suggest that if you want a big party then voting Labour would be a better use of your vote than voting for a party which acts as a sugar coating on the Tory brand detoxifying the image of policies to the right of Mrs Thatcher. Mark Goacher
  • Score: -3

5:52am Sun 25 May 14

Shrubendlad says...

Total number of votes for main parties
Blues 13144
Yellows 8988
Reds 6334
Total number of votes for main parties Blues 13144 Yellows 8988 Reds 6334 Shrubendlad
  • Score: 1

5:55am Sun 25 May 14

Shrubendlad says...

Total votes for main parties
Blues 13144
Yellows 8988
Reds 6334
Total votes for main parties Blues 13144 Yellows 8988 Reds 6334 Shrubendlad
  • Score: 0

12:01pm Sun 25 May 14

Misty4 says...

catflap1 wrote:
Common Sense Voter wrote:
The three main parties have had years unaccountable to organise canvassers and candidates in this area. Colchester UKIP has only seriously been around for three or four years. But they are getting stronger and stronger come each election. Write of UKIP at your peril.
OOOOOOOOOOO get you "at my peril" ! what is ukip going to me if I call them the bunch of xenophobic tossers they are ?? come round burn my books make me wear a pink triangle ?
Ah, yes. A typical Leftie post. We live in a democracy, but as far as Lefties are concerned a democracy should have only those parties of which they approve.
[quote][p][bold]catflap1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Common Sense Voter[/bold] wrote: The three main parties have had years unaccountable to organise canvassers and candidates in this area. Colchester UKIP has only seriously been around for three or four years. But they are getting stronger and stronger come each election. Write of UKIP at your peril.[/p][/quote]OOOOOOOOOOO get you "at my peril" ! what is ukip going to me if I call them the bunch of xenophobic tossers they are ?? come round burn my books make me wear a pink triangle ?[/p][/quote]Ah, yes. A typical Leftie post. We live in a democracy, but as far as Lefties are concerned a democracy should have only those parties of which they approve. Misty4
  • Score: 6

9:37pm Sun 25 May 14

Boris says...

Shrubendlad wrote:
Boris-Your Party was humiliated in the PR referendum.
The Yellows have lost their "campaigning" ways.
They are defending their record in Government-and losing.
3 results(Euros ,Scots, and General) due inside `12 months now.
Not looking good!!
I do not belong to any party.
[quote][p][bold]Shrubendlad[/bold] wrote: Boris-Your Party was humiliated in the PR referendum. The Yellows have lost their "campaigning" ways. They are defending their record in Government-and losing. 3 results(Euros ,Scots, and General) due inside `12 months now. Not looking good!![/p][/quote]I do not belong to any party. Boris
  • Score: -3

11:52pm Sun 25 May 14

The-Professionals says...

Cllr Martin Hunt wrote:
Shaneblackdarkknight wrote:
The worst council in the country they are the pits and where on earth all the money goes well say no more .
Please do say more, I'd be fascinated.
Well mate in the movie R.U.S.H. James Hunt a name sake said to Niki Lauda "My Names Hunt Rhymes with ****".
This council is as black dark knight sates and I and lot of others agree with him period.
Even some of the councils own staff at some sections, call it The Teflon's especially in this paper why?
I see your party did well nationally lost 300 plus seats. UKIP got over 160, but that's no concern for Colchester did well hey?
Wont be for long Sir Robbo will get in next year but after that it will be it.
The Tories used the Libs In the ConDem's as a fall guy. The Libs took all the flak and let Cameron off the hook.
I feel sorry for Niki Clegg, but then again the same as Niki Lauda he is foreigner at the end of the day and dispensable, like most immigrants and their offspring. By the way I am not English before the race card starts to play:
[quote][p][bold]Cllr Martin Hunt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shaneblackdarkknight[/bold] wrote: The worst council in the country they are the pits and where on earth all the money goes well say no more .[/p][/quote]Please do say more, I'd be fascinated.[/p][/quote]Well mate in the movie R.U.S.H. James Hunt a name sake said to Niki Lauda "My Names Hunt Rhymes with ****". This council is as black dark knight sates and I and lot of others agree with him period. Even some of the councils own staff at some sections, call it The Teflon's especially in this paper why? I see your party did well nationally lost 300 plus seats. UKIP got over 160, but that's no concern for Colchester did well hey? Wont be for long Sir Robbo will get in next year but after that it will be it. The Tories used the Libs In the ConDem's as a fall guy. The Libs took all the flak and let Cameron off the hook. I feel sorry for Niki Clegg, but then again the same as Niki Lauda he is foreigner at the end of the day and dispensable, like most immigrants and their offspring. By the way I am not English before the race card starts to play: The-Professionals
  • Score: 10

12:46am Mon 26 May 14

Boris says...

Mark Goacher wrote:
Boris wrote:
Captain SpaceAce wrote: Boris you are right inasmuch as one shouldn’t take the national situation into consideration when voting locally, but I just can’t bring myself to vote Lib Dem ever again after the pas four years’ disappointment. As a party as a whole they should be ashamed of themselves for enabling the tories to do what they have done. The Higgins’ should stand as independents; I’d find it easier to vote for them then. Also, whilst I see your point about voting Lib Dem to keep the Tories out locally, once you start thinking like that democracy stops working. Perhaps if all the people who thought like that actually voted for the party they really agree with (say Greens or *shudder* UKIP if you’re of that persuasion) then we’d actually see a bit of change.
A few years ago there was a serious hope of getting a fair voting system, i.e. proportional representation. We didn't get it. Without that, it is immensely hard for a nice but niche party like the Greens to make headway. I want to make the most effective use of my vote while i am alive.
I would certainly question the term "niche party" to describe the Greens. It is a myth that the only policies that the Greens have are to do with the environment. While its true that locally the Greens favour using brownfield sites for development rather than greenfield ones, we also have a local plan that includes expanding the new bus station, fighting the planned hospital closure and sorting out crime in the St Botolphs / Queen St area by cracking down on clubs & drugs. Nationally the Greens are the only party that fully opposes NHS privatisation. While it is true that we are small, I'd suggest that if you want a big party then voting Labour would be a better use of your vote than voting for a party which acts as a sugar coating on the Tory brand detoxifying the image of policies to the right of Mrs Thatcher.
Mark, of course the Greens are a niche party, because you have not yet achieved breakthrough either nationally or locally. You share power only in a handful of local authorities. Caroline Lucas is admirable but she is your only MP. George Galloway, another admirable figure, is also his party's only MP. Another niche party. The Greens probably have a brighter future than Respect, but for now you really occupy no more than a niche in British politics.
My family received 4 different Green leaflets before polling day, but they were all about Rupert Read, your candidate for MEP, and made no mention of the candidate for our local ward. There was no mention whatsoever of the local policies that you say you have. What exactly are your specific plans for opposing the closure of Essex County Hospital? I would join that campaign.
As for voting Labour, I did that for about 40 years, but i was so disgusted by the criminal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that I left that party. And the Labour candidate in my ward told me herself that she had no chance. So I had to vote for the Lib Dem candidate, not to endorse that party, but to keep the Tory out. In politics, which is the art of the possible, it is more important to oppose the bad than to support the ideal.
As i think I mentioned earlier, I did vote Labour in the Euro elections, because they have a better policy on Europe than your party, which apes the Tories in offering an in/out referendum whether it is needed or not. Labour, as I understand it, will offer such a referendum only if the EU proposes some significant constitutional change. This is much more sensible.
[quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain SpaceAce[/bold] wrote: Boris you are right inasmuch as one shouldn’t take the national situation into consideration when voting locally, but I just can’t bring myself to vote Lib Dem ever again after the pas four years’ disappointment. As a party as a whole they should be ashamed of themselves for enabling the tories to do what they have done. The Higgins’ should stand as independents; I’d find it easier to vote for them then. Also, whilst I see your point about voting Lib Dem to keep the Tories out locally, once you start thinking like that democracy stops working. Perhaps if all the people who thought like that actually voted for the party they really agree with (say Greens or *shudder* UKIP if you’re of that persuasion) then we’d actually see a bit of change.[/p][/quote]A few years ago there was a serious hope of getting a fair voting system, i.e. proportional representation. We didn't get it. Without that, it is immensely hard for a nice but niche party like the Greens to make headway. I want to make the most effective use of my vote while i am alive.[/p][/quote]I would certainly question the term "niche party" to describe the Greens. It is a myth that the only policies that the Greens have are to do with the environment. While its true that locally the Greens favour using brownfield sites for development rather than greenfield ones, we also have a local plan that includes expanding the new bus station, fighting the planned hospital closure and sorting out crime in the St Botolphs / Queen St area by cracking down on clubs & drugs. Nationally the Greens are the only party that fully opposes NHS privatisation. While it is true that we are small, I'd suggest that if you want a big party then voting Labour would be a better use of your vote than voting for a party which acts as a sugar coating on the Tory brand detoxifying the image of policies to the right of Mrs Thatcher.[/p][/quote]Mark, of course the Greens are a niche party, because you have not yet achieved breakthrough either nationally or locally. You share power only in a handful of local authorities. Caroline Lucas is admirable but she is your only MP. George Galloway, another admirable figure, is also his party's only MP. Another niche party. The Greens probably have a brighter future than Respect, but for now you really occupy no more than a niche in British politics. My family received 4 different Green leaflets before polling day, but they were all about Rupert Read, your candidate for MEP, and made no mention of the candidate for our local ward. There was no mention whatsoever of the local policies that you say you have. What exactly are your specific plans for opposing the closure of Essex County Hospital? I would join that campaign. As for voting Labour, I did that for about 40 years, but i was so disgusted by the criminal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that I left that party. And the Labour candidate in my ward told me herself that she had no chance. So I had to vote for the Lib Dem candidate, not to endorse that party, but to keep the Tory out. In politics, which is the art of the possible, it is more important to oppose the bad than to support the ideal. As i think I mentioned earlier, I did vote Labour in the Euro elections, because they have a better policy on Europe than your party, which apes the Tories in offering an in/out referendum whether it is needed or not. Labour, as I understand it, will offer such a referendum only if the EU proposes some significant constitutional change. This is much more sensible. Boris
  • Score: -4

12:48am Mon 26 May 14

Reginald47 says...

The-Professionals wrote:
Cllr Martin Hunt wrote:
Shaneblackdarkknight wrote: The worst council in the country they are the pits and where on earth all the money goes well say no more .
Please do say more, I'd be fascinated.
Well mate in the movie R.U.S.H. James Hunt a name sake said to Niki Lauda "My Names Hunt Rhymes with ****". This council is as black dark knight sates and I and lot of others agree with him period. Even some of the councils own staff at some sections, call it The Teflon's especially in this paper why? I see your party did well nationally lost 300 plus seats. UKIP got over 160, but that's no concern for Colchester did well hey? Wont be for long Sir Robbo will get in next year but after that it will be it. The Tories used the Libs In the ConDem's as a fall guy. The Libs took all the flak and let Cameron off the hook. I feel sorry for Niki Clegg, but then again the same as Niki Lauda he is foreigner at the end of the day and dispensable, like most immigrants and their offspring. By the way I am not English before the race card starts to play:
Not racist, but maybe unable to express yourself in a way that makes sense. What the f ... are you talking about?
[quote][p][bold]The-Professionals[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cllr Martin Hunt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shaneblackdarkknight[/bold] wrote: The worst council in the country they are the pits and where on earth all the money goes well say no more .[/p][/quote]Please do say more, I'd be fascinated.[/p][/quote]Well mate in the movie R.U.S.H. James Hunt a name sake said to Niki Lauda "My Names Hunt Rhymes with ****". This council is as black dark knight sates and I and lot of others agree with him period. Even some of the councils own staff at some sections, call it The Teflon's especially in this paper why? I see your party did well nationally lost 300 plus seats. UKIP got over 160, but that's no concern for Colchester did well hey? Wont be for long Sir Robbo will get in next year but after that it will be it. The Tories used the Libs In the ConDem's as a fall guy. The Libs took all the flak and let Cameron off the hook. I feel sorry for Niki Clegg, but then again the same as Niki Lauda he is foreigner at the end of the day and dispensable, like most immigrants and their offspring. By the way I am not English before the race card starts to play:[/p][/quote]Not racist, but maybe unable to express yourself in a way that makes sense. What the f ... are you talking about? Reginald47
  • Score: -7

1:06am Mon 26 May 14

Boris says...

Mark Goacher wrote:
Boris wrote:
Mark Goacher wrote:
Boris wrote:
Mark Goacher wrote: It was very pleasing that the Green Party increased its share of the vote in several wards, however we have a lot of work to do. In New Town ward there was only a 29% turnout, which means that all parties failed to motivate 71% of the electorate to vote. We need to reach out to those disengaged voters and listen to them. Furthermore if we are to liberate Colchester from the Lib Dems then we must work hard for our wards now, not just at election times, to convince voters that we are serious and acting for them.
Mark, you stood as a Green and you did quite well. Congratulations. But no Green is going to get elected while you have no local policies, and while you do not get involved with local issues and do not join in campaigns with other progressive parties. My natural inclination is to vote Green, and the Green candidate in my ward is a personal friend, as is the Labour candidate, but I could not vote for either of them, because it was more important to keep the Tory out. So I had to vote for the Lib Dem (who is another personal friend). For the Euro election, I had to vote Labour, because they have the best policy on Europe, and because Richard Howitt is a very good MEP.
Hi Boris, I completely accept your point about how the Greens need to have more local policies and to get involved with local issues and campaigns. This is where the Lib Dems shine and we get the message. Its something we are determined to work on . However I disagree that voting Lib Dem is a way of keeping the Tory out. Its actually a way of keeping the Tories in, given that the Lib Dems nationally have happily voted for the majority of the reforms which have been initiated by the coalition government and have lent those reforms 'respectability'. I voted Lib Dem in 2010 and in doing so I voted Tory.
Mark, thanks for your comments. However, you are confusing the national with the local situation. Of course the performance of Nick Clegg and his Lib Dem MPs has been contemptible. Bob Russell has been a bid disappointment in that he has voted for practically all of the Cameron/Clegg legislation. I had expected him to rebel on some at least of the more oppressive measures. He has been sound on foreign policy issues such as Cuba, Venezuela and Palestine, and I respect him for that. But his saving grace has been his support for important Colchester causes, such as trying to save the bus station, and currently his efforts to help save Jumbo. I also know how hard he has worked for countless constituents, many of them not his supporters, but because it is his duty to help them, and he does that better than most MPs. You cannot compare national with local government. Locally, the Tories have been a disaster, and they would again be a disaster if they got back in control. They would, for example, allow a developer to degrade Jumbo, as was proposed twice in recent years, because they see encouragement of commercial development as more important than the conservation of historic buildings.
Hi Boris,
I agree with you that Bob Russell is an excellent constituency MP who works hard. He has campaigned against some awful development proposals and he works hard for constituents. But I simply don't believe that you can just compartmentalise local and national issues. That way politicians are never punished for their actions nationally or for their allegiances. For example there are MPs who happily vote to close hospitals nationally and yet campaign vigorously against the closure of their local hospital in order to stay in their job. If you don't make a point (and the only way to do this is by voting) then they will carry on as they are.
Moreover I'm not convinced that the Lib Dems are great on the borough council. They are not exactly the pushover for developers that the tories are however they have allowed a lot of green space to be concreted over and their shenanegans with high street traffic restriction were farcical. As for the perennial issues of dogs fouling pavements and pot-holes well there are still plenty of both in New Town. Morant Rd, King Stephen Road & Artillery Street are so bad that I've noticed that people have resorted to circling the dog mess with chalk and writing "please clear up your dog's mess" next to it. And there is a pot hole in the road near to a certain Lib Dem councillor's own house......
Mark, please do not generalise. I agree that many MPs are hypocritical, but the same goes for people in many other walks of life. The concreting over of green space (are you thinking of Mile End?) is largely dictated by central government, with its loony policy (inherited from Labour) of encouraging development of the south-east of the country. As for dog fouling and pot-holes, every party agrees that these are deplorable, it is not just the Greens who worry about such things. If you see people allowing their dogs to foul the pavement, take photographs and denounce them, otherwise forget it. There are pot-holes everywhere in Colchester, not just in New Town. The street outside councillor Martin Hunt's house is festooned with pot-holes, or it was last time I looked, but there is nothing he can do about it. I have a monster pot-hole outside my house. I keep reporting it bot nothing is done. But if you want to campaign about something,.campaign on something important like closure of Essex County Hospital.
[quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: It was very pleasing that the Green Party increased its share of the vote in several wards, however we have a lot of work to do. In New Town ward there was only a 29% turnout, which means that all parties failed to motivate 71% of the electorate to vote. We need to reach out to those disengaged voters and listen to them. Furthermore if we are to liberate Colchester from the Lib Dems then we must work hard for our wards now, not just at election times, to convince voters that we are serious and acting for them.[/p][/quote]Mark, you stood as a Green and you did quite well. Congratulations. But no Green is going to get elected while you have no local policies, and while you do not get involved with local issues and do not join in campaigns with other progressive parties. My natural inclination is to vote Green, and the Green candidate in my ward is a personal friend, as is the Labour candidate, but I could not vote for either of them, because it was more important to keep the Tory out. So I had to vote for the Lib Dem (who is another personal friend). For the Euro election, I had to vote Labour, because they have the best policy on Europe, and because Richard Howitt is a very good MEP.[/p][/quote]Hi Boris, I completely accept your point about how the Greens need to have more local policies and to get involved with local issues and campaigns. This is where the Lib Dems shine and we get the message. Its something we are determined to work on . However I disagree that voting Lib Dem is a way of keeping the Tory out. Its actually a way of keeping the Tories in, given that the Lib Dems nationally have happily voted for the majority of the reforms which have been initiated by the coalition government and have lent those reforms 'respectability'. I voted Lib Dem in 2010 and in doing so I voted Tory.[/p][/quote]Mark, thanks for your comments. However, you are confusing the national with the local situation. Of course the performance of Nick Clegg and his Lib Dem MPs has been contemptible. Bob Russell has been a bid disappointment in that he has voted for practically all of the Cameron/Clegg legislation. I had expected him to rebel on some at least of the more oppressive measures. He has been sound on foreign policy issues such as Cuba, Venezuela and Palestine, and I respect him for that. But his saving grace has been his support for important Colchester causes, such as trying to save the bus station, and currently his efforts to help save Jumbo. I also know how hard he has worked for countless constituents, many of them not his supporters, but because it is his duty to help them, and he does that better than most MPs. You cannot compare national with local government. Locally, the Tories have been a disaster, and they would again be a disaster if they got back in control. They would, for example, allow a developer to degrade Jumbo, as was proposed twice in recent years, because they see encouragement of commercial development as more important than the conservation of historic buildings.[/p][/quote]Hi Boris, I agree with you that Bob Russell is an excellent constituency MP who works hard. He has campaigned against some awful development proposals and he works hard for constituents. But I simply don't believe that you can just compartmentalise local and national issues. That way politicians are never punished for their actions nationally or for their allegiances. For example there are MPs who happily vote to close hospitals nationally and yet campaign vigorously against the closure of their local hospital in order to stay in their job. If you don't make a point (and the only way to do this is by voting) then they will carry on as they are. Moreover I'm not convinced that the Lib Dems are great on the borough council. They are not exactly the pushover for developers that the tories are however they have allowed a lot of green space to be concreted over and their shenanegans with high street traffic restriction were farcical. As for the perennial issues of dogs fouling pavements and pot-holes well there are still plenty of both in New Town. Morant Rd, King Stephen Road & Artillery Street are so bad that I've noticed that people have resorted to circling the dog mess with chalk and writing "please clear up your dog's mess" next to it. And there is a pot hole in the road near to a certain Lib Dem councillor's own house......[/p][/quote]Mark, please do not generalise. I agree that many MPs are hypocritical, but the same goes for people in many other walks of life. The concreting over of green space (are you thinking of Mile End?) is largely dictated by central government, with its loony policy (inherited from Labour) of encouraging development of the south-east of the country. As for dog fouling and pot-holes, every party agrees that these are deplorable, it is not just the Greens who worry about such things. If you see people allowing their dogs to foul the pavement, take photographs and denounce them, otherwise forget it. There are pot-holes everywhere in Colchester, not just in New Town. The street outside councillor Martin Hunt's house is festooned with pot-holes, or it was last time I looked, but there is nothing he can do about it. I have a monster pot-hole outside my house. I keep reporting it bot nothing is done. But if you want to campaign about something,.campaign on something important like closure of Essex County Hospital. Boris
  • Score: -9

7:14am Mon 26 May 14

Ethnic-Minority says...

What a joke and an utter fiasco, where it counted you voted for your own, where it did not, you voted for UKIP as a cowardly protest vote to get your own point of view across. Probably one of the most racist borough's in the Country you vote UKIP in a Euro Election. I worked for the then Essex Racial Equality Council in south Essex back in the early 90's. They had three categories of Ethnic Minority, CAT 1 was Visibly Ethnic by colour and creed and by name. CAT 2 Partially Visible by appearance and name. CAT 3. Visible by name only, or not by name or appearance . In their format I am a Cat 2 E.M. I have never come across such a bunch of closet, subconscious, esoteric, self protectionist racists, in all my life such as people in this community, how many in the categories above are working in the council or Essex police as a pro rata proportion of the Colchester populous? How many elected councillors and representatives do you have in the borough or county in any of the above categories? Years ago you refused to twin with an Italian Town because you said it was over a horse race. The borough then picked the capitol of an independent principality state in Italy to twin with, as oppose to another straight forward town located in Italy. You lot are all in denial, or that is what you say in front of us to our face, behind our backs is a different story and this current vote rests my case in point on the issue. The member and canvasser of the white supremacists, who owns a shop in lion walk we know about you? A number of members of the BNP and the EDL, that work in the public sector in various official levy and adjudicatory bodies, we know about you lot as well. This vote has stereo-typified and outed the views around here, thank you very much indeed on behalf of all blacks and foreigners living in the town.
They have stabbed Clegg in the back and I agree, have used him as a fall guy as someone has said above, the reason is that he is cosmopolitan and more in part a foreigner, than true British.
What a joke and an utter fiasco, where it counted you voted for your own, where it did not, you voted for UKIP as a cowardly protest vote to get your own point of view across. Probably one of the most racist borough's in the Country you vote UKIP in a Euro Election. I worked for the then Essex Racial Equality Council in south Essex back in the early 90's. They had three categories of Ethnic Minority, CAT 1 was Visibly Ethnic by colour and creed and by name. CAT 2 Partially Visible by appearance and name. CAT 3. Visible by name only, or not by name or appearance . In their format I am a Cat 2 E.M. I have never come across such a bunch of closet, subconscious, esoteric, self protectionist racists, in all my life such as people in this community, how many in the categories above are working in the council or Essex police as a pro rata proportion of the Colchester populous? How many elected councillors and representatives do you have in the borough or county in any of the above categories? Years ago you refused to twin with an Italian Town because you said it was over a horse race. The borough then picked the capitol of an independent principality state in Italy to twin with, as oppose to another straight forward town located in Italy. You lot are all in denial, or that is what you say in front of us to our face, behind our backs is a different story and this current vote rests my case in point on the issue. The member and canvasser of the white supremacists, who owns a shop in lion walk we know about you? A number of members of the BNP and the EDL, that work in the public sector in various official levy and adjudicatory bodies, we know about you lot as well. This vote has stereo-typified and outed the views around here, thank you very much indeed on behalf of all blacks and foreigners living in the town. They have stabbed Clegg in the back and I agree, have used him as a fall guy as someone has said above, the reason is that he is cosmopolitan and more in part a foreigner, than true British. Ethnic-Minority
  • Score: 4

7:15am Mon 26 May 14

seikothrill says...

seikothrill wrote:
Carlosfandangles wrote:
I still think the ukip protest vote will be more felt in the euro rather than local election. Sundays figures will be interesting.
That is my view as well.

My vote locally was different to that in the Euro's
Looks like Carlos was correct
[quote][p][bold]seikothrill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carlosfandangles[/bold] wrote: I still think the ukip protest vote will be more felt in the euro rather than local election. Sundays figures will be interesting.[/p][/quote]That is my view as well. My vote locally was different to that in the Euro's[/p][/quote]Looks like Carlos was correct seikothrill
  • Score: 6

4:49pm Mon 26 May 14

Boris says...

Ethnic-Minority wrote:
What a joke and an utter fiasco, where it counted you voted for your own, where it did not, you voted for UKIP as a cowardly protest vote to get your own point of view across. Probably one of the most racist borough's in the Country you vote UKIP in a Euro Election. I worked for the then Essex Racial Equality Council in south Essex back in the early 90's. They had three categories of Ethnic Minority, CAT 1 was Visibly Ethnic by colour and creed and by name. CAT 2 Partially Visible by appearance and name. CAT 3. Visible by name only, or not by name or appearance . In their format I am a Cat 2 E.M. I have never come across such a bunch of closet, subconscious, esoteric, self protectionist racists, in all my life such as people in this community, how many in the categories above are working in the council or Essex police as a pro rata proportion of the Colchester populous? How many elected councillors and representatives do you have in the borough or county in any of the above categories? Years ago you refused to twin with an Italian Town because you said it was over a horse race. The borough then picked the capitol of an independent principality state in Italy to twin with, as oppose to another straight forward town located in Italy. You lot are all in denial, or that is what you say in front of us to our face, behind our backs is a different story and this current vote rests my case in point on the issue. The member and canvasser of the white supremacists, who owns a shop in lion walk we know about you? A number of members of the BNP and the EDL, that work in the public sector in various official levy and adjudicatory bodies, we know about you lot as well. This vote has stereo-typified and outed the views around here, thank you very much indeed on behalf of all blacks and foreigners living in the town.
They have stabbed Clegg in the back and I agree, have used him as a fall guy as someone has said above, the reason is that he is cosmopolitan and more in part a foreigner, than true British.
EM, you need to brush up your geography. You are right that Colchester Borough Council refused to twin with Siena, on account of its twice-yearly Palio horse-race, which it considered cruel, for Siena would have made an ideal twin for an historic town like Colchester. Instead, Colchester twinned with Imola, a rather more ordinary ancient city of northern Italy. Imola happens to be the location of the San Marino Grand Prix, only because San Marino's territory is too small to have room for a motor racing track. So Imola is just as Italian as Colchester is British.
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Incidentally, you cannot say Colchester is any more racist than anywhere else in Britain, for the percentage of UKIP voters roughly tallies with other places. I agree UKIP is xenophobic, I distributed leaflets telling people not to vote UKIP, but you will see next year that the UKIP vote will drop right back.
[quote][p][bold]Ethnic-Minority[/bold] wrote: What a joke and an utter fiasco, where it counted you voted for your own, where it did not, you voted for UKIP as a cowardly protest vote to get your own point of view across. Probably one of the most racist borough's in the Country you vote UKIP in a Euro Election. I worked for the then Essex Racial Equality Council in south Essex back in the early 90's. They had three categories of Ethnic Minority, CAT 1 was Visibly Ethnic by colour and creed and by name. CAT 2 Partially Visible by appearance and name. CAT 3. Visible by name only, or not by name or appearance . In their format I am a Cat 2 E.M. I have never come across such a bunch of closet, subconscious, esoteric, self protectionist racists, in all my life such as people in this community, how many in the categories above are working in the council or Essex police as a pro rata proportion of the Colchester populous? How many elected councillors and representatives do you have in the borough or county in any of the above categories? Years ago you refused to twin with an Italian Town because you said it was over a horse race. The borough then picked the capitol of an independent principality state in Italy to twin with, as oppose to another straight forward town located in Italy. You lot are all in denial, or that is what you say in front of us to our face, behind our backs is a different story and this current vote rests my case in point on the issue. The member and canvasser of the white supremacists, who owns a shop in lion walk we know about you? A number of members of the BNP and the EDL, that work in the public sector in various official levy and adjudicatory bodies, we know about you lot as well. This vote has stereo-typified and outed the views around here, thank you very much indeed on behalf of all blacks and foreigners living in the town. They have stabbed Clegg in the back and I agree, have used him as a fall guy as someone has said above, the reason is that he is cosmopolitan and more in part a foreigner, than true British.[/p][/quote]EM, you need to brush up your geography. You are right that Colchester Borough Council refused to twin with Siena, on account of its twice-yearly Palio horse-race, which it considered cruel, for Siena would have made an ideal twin for an historic town like Colchester. Instead, Colchester twinned with Imola, a rather more ordinary ancient city of northern Italy. Imola happens to be the location of the San Marino Grand Prix, only because San Marino's territory is too small to have room for a motor racing track. So Imola is just as Italian as Colchester is British. . Incidentally, you cannot say Colchester is any more racist than anywhere else in Britain, for the percentage of UKIP voters roughly tallies with other places. I agree UKIP is xenophobic, I distributed leaflets telling people not to vote UKIP, but you will see next year that the UKIP vote will drop right back. Boris
  • Score: -5

5:07pm Mon 26 May 14

oOI Daza IOo says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
A resounding endorsement for the LibDems; quite a surprise for me. I was wrong in thinking that the Jumbo, town centre traffic and bus station situations were unpopular.
You're wrong with everything.
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: A resounding endorsement for the LibDems; quite a surprise for me. I was wrong in thinking that the Jumbo, town centre traffic and bus station situations were unpopular.[/p][/quote]You're wrong with everything. oOI Daza IOo
  • Score: 5

8:25am Tue 27 May 14

Ethnic-Minority says...

Boris wrote:
Ethnic-Minority wrote:
What a joke and an utter fiasco, where it counted you voted for your own, where it did not, you voted for UKIP as a cowardly protest vote to get your own point of view across. Probably one of the most racist borough's in the Country you vote UKIP in a Euro Election. I worked for the then Essex Racial Equality Council in south Essex back in the early 90's. They had three categories of Ethnic Minority, CAT 1 was Visibly Ethnic by colour and creed and by name. CAT 2 Partially Visible by appearance and name. CAT 3. Visible by name only, or not by name or appearance . In their format I am a Cat 2 E.M. I have never come across such a bunch of closet, subconscious, esoteric, self protectionist racists, in all my life such as people in this community, how many in the categories above are working in the council or Essex police as a pro rata proportion of the Colchester populous? How many elected councillors and representatives do you have in the borough or county in any of the above categories? Years ago you refused to twin with an Italian Town because you said it was over a horse race. The borough then picked the capitol of an independent principality state in Italy to twin with, as oppose to another straight forward town located in Italy. You lot are all in denial, or that is what you say in front of us to our face, behind our backs is a different story and this current vote rests my case in point on the issue. The member and canvasser of the white supremacists, who owns a shop in lion walk we know about you? A number of members of the BNP and the EDL, that work in the public sector in various official levy and adjudicatory bodies, we know about you lot as well. This vote has stereo-typified and outed the views around here, thank you very much indeed on behalf of all blacks and foreigners living in the town.
They have stabbed Clegg in the back and I agree, have used him as a fall guy as someone has said above, the reason is that he is cosmopolitan and more in part a foreigner, than true British.
EM, you need to brush up your geography. You are right that Colchester Borough Council refused to twin with Siena, on account of its twice-yearly Palio horse-race, which it considered cruel, for Siena would have made an ideal twin for an historic town like Colchester. Instead, Colchester twinned with Imola, a rather more ordinary ancient city of northern Italy. Imola happens to be the location of the San Marino Grand Prix, only because San Marino's territory is too small to have room for a motor racing track. So Imola is just as Italian as Colchester is British.
.
Incidentally, you cannot say Colchester is any more racist than anywhere else in Britain, for the percentage of UKIP voters roughly tallies with other places. I agree UKIP is xenophobic, I distributed leaflets telling people not to vote UKIP, but you will see next year that the UKIP vote will drop right back.
Yes you are quite right how stupid of me my father would be ashamed of me, which was nothing unusual.
However Imola against Sienna..LOL.. I spoke to my uncle about it yesterday on the phone and local Italians see Imola as the capitol of San Marino as some type of joke ! Probably where my confusion originates.
Over lunch yesterday we saw the debate as an excuse to get the boot in to the Italians using The Palio as an excuse. I stand by what I said as above, I have had to work 10 times as hard as anyone else for promotion and other beneifts, in joke i have been called all the names under the sun, it is has not been very funny and one has had to grin and bear it. I suppose its "When in Rome you do as the Romans do". My mother is half cast or whatever the term is these days in skin colour, I have seen the rubbish and stick she gets even at 80 years old.
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ethnic-Minority[/bold] wrote: What a joke and an utter fiasco, where it counted you voted for your own, where it did not, you voted for UKIP as a cowardly protest vote to get your own point of view across. Probably one of the most racist borough's in the Country you vote UKIP in a Euro Election. I worked for the then Essex Racial Equality Council in south Essex back in the early 90's. They had three categories of Ethnic Minority, CAT 1 was Visibly Ethnic by colour and creed and by name. CAT 2 Partially Visible by appearance and name. CAT 3. Visible by name only, or not by name or appearance . In their format I am a Cat 2 E.M. I have never come across such a bunch of closet, subconscious, esoteric, self protectionist racists, in all my life such as people in this community, how many in the categories above are working in the council or Essex police as a pro rata proportion of the Colchester populous? How many elected councillors and representatives do you have in the borough or county in any of the above categories? Years ago you refused to twin with an Italian Town because you said it was over a horse race. The borough then picked the capitol of an independent principality state in Italy to twin with, as oppose to another straight forward town located in Italy. You lot are all in denial, or that is what you say in front of us to our face, behind our backs is a different story and this current vote rests my case in point on the issue. The member and canvasser of the white supremacists, who owns a shop in lion walk we know about you? A number of members of the BNP and the EDL, that work in the public sector in various official levy and adjudicatory bodies, we know about you lot as well. This vote has stereo-typified and outed the views around here, thank you very much indeed on behalf of all blacks and foreigners living in the town. They have stabbed Clegg in the back and I agree, have used him as a fall guy as someone has said above, the reason is that he is cosmopolitan and more in part a foreigner, than true British.[/p][/quote]EM, you need to brush up your geography. You are right that Colchester Borough Council refused to twin with Siena, on account of its twice-yearly Palio horse-race, which it considered cruel, for Siena would have made an ideal twin for an historic town like Colchester. Instead, Colchester twinned with Imola, a rather more ordinary ancient city of northern Italy. Imola happens to be the location of the San Marino Grand Prix, only because San Marino's territory is too small to have room for a motor racing track. So Imola is just as Italian as Colchester is British. . Incidentally, you cannot say Colchester is any more racist than anywhere else in Britain, for the percentage of UKIP voters roughly tallies with other places. I agree UKIP is xenophobic, I distributed leaflets telling people not to vote UKIP, but you will see next year that the UKIP vote will drop right back.[/p][/quote]Yes you are quite right how stupid of me my father would be ashamed of me, which was nothing unusual. However Imola against Sienna..LOL.. I spoke to my uncle about it yesterday on the phone and local Italians see Imola as the capitol of San Marino as some type of joke ! Probably where my confusion originates. Over lunch yesterday we saw the debate as an excuse to get the boot in to the Italians using The Palio as an excuse. I stand by what I said as above, I have had to work 10 times as hard as anyone else for promotion and other beneifts, in joke i have been called all the names under the sun, it is has not been very funny and one has had to grin and bear it. I suppose its "When in Rome you do as the Romans do". My mother is half cast or whatever the term is these days in skin colour, I have seen the rubbish and stick she gets even at 80 years old. Ethnic-Minority
  • Score: 0

2:16am Wed 28 May 14

Boris says...

Ethnic-Minority wrote:
Boris wrote:
Ethnic-Minority wrote:
What a joke and an utter fiasco, where it counted you voted for your own, where it did not, you voted for UKIP as a cowardly protest vote to get your own point of view across. Probably one of the most racist borough's in the Country you vote UKIP in a Euro Election. I worked for the then Essex Racial Equality Council in south Essex back in the early 90's. They had three categories of Ethnic Minority, CAT 1 was Visibly Ethnic by colour and creed and by name. CAT 2 Partially Visible by appearance and name. CAT 3. Visible by name only, or not by name or appearance . In their format I am a Cat 2 E.M. I have never come across such a bunch of closet, subconscious, esoteric, self protectionist racists, in all my life such as people in this community, how many in the categories above are working in the council or Essex police as a pro rata proportion of the Colchester populous? How many elected councillors and representatives do you have in the borough or county in any of the above categories? Years ago you refused to twin with an Italian Town because you said it was over a horse race. The borough then picked the capitol of an independent principality state in Italy to twin with, as oppose to another straight forward town located in Italy. You lot are all in denial, or that is what you say in front of us to our face, behind our backs is a different story and this current vote rests my case in point on the issue. The member and canvasser of the white supremacists, who owns a shop in lion walk we know about you? A number of members of the BNP and the EDL, that work in the public sector in various official levy and adjudicatory bodies, we know about you lot as well. This vote has stereo-typified and outed the views around here, thank you very much indeed on behalf of all blacks and foreigners living in the town.
They have stabbed Clegg in the back and I agree, have used him as a fall guy as someone has said above, the reason is that he is cosmopolitan and more in part a foreigner, than true British.
EM, you need to brush up your geography. You are right that Colchester Borough Council refused to twin with Siena, on account of its twice-yearly Palio horse-race, which it considered cruel, for Siena would have made an ideal twin for an historic town like Colchester. Instead, Colchester twinned with Imola, a rather more ordinary ancient city of northern Italy. Imola happens to be the location of the San Marino Grand Prix, only because San Marino's territory is too small to have room for a motor racing track. So Imola is just as Italian as Colchester is British.
.
Incidentally, you cannot say Colchester is any more racist than anywhere else in Britain, for the percentage of UKIP voters roughly tallies with other places. I agree UKIP is xenophobic, I distributed leaflets telling people not to vote UKIP, but you will see next year that the UKIP vote will drop right back.
Yes you are quite right how stupid of me my father would be ashamed of me, which was nothing unusual.
However Imola against Sienna..LOL.. I spoke to my uncle about it yesterday on the phone and local Italians see Imola as the capitol of San Marino as some type of joke ! Probably where my confusion originates.
Over lunch yesterday we saw the debate as an excuse to get the boot in to the Italians using The Palio as an excuse. I stand by what I said as above, I have had to work 10 times as hard as anyone else for promotion and other beneifts, in joke i have been called all the names under the sun, it is has not been very funny and one has had to grin and bear it. I suppose its "When in Rome you do as the Romans do". My mother is half cast or whatever the term is these days in skin colour, I have seen the rubbish and stick she gets even at 80 years old.
San Marino is of course a bit of a joke. But it serves to give Italy a few extra points in eurovision song contests, and it serves to give the England football team an easy win when they are drawn together in the Euro or World Cup qualifying rounds. San Marino may well score first, as they did at the old Wembley stadium in the late 90s, but that is just the "gol della bandiera". I assume you understand that, but if you don't, your uncle will.
I am sorry to hear about the struggles that you face, and even more so your poor mother. I am pleased that lodging houses no longer have notices in the window saying "No Irish No Coloured No Dogs", as was common in my youth. I thought this country was getting better, but I know there is still a long way to go. Xenophobic parties like UKIP do not help.
[quote][p][bold]Ethnic-Minority[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ethnic-Minority[/bold] wrote: What a joke and an utter fiasco, where it counted you voted for your own, where it did not, you voted for UKIP as a cowardly protest vote to get your own point of view across. Probably one of the most racist borough's in the Country you vote UKIP in a Euro Election. I worked for the then Essex Racial Equality Council in south Essex back in the early 90's. They had three categories of Ethnic Minority, CAT 1 was Visibly Ethnic by colour and creed and by name. CAT 2 Partially Visible by appearance and name. CAT 3. Visible by name only, or not by name or appearance . In their format I am a Cat 2 E.M. I have never come across such a bunch of closet, subconscious, esoteric, self protectionist racists, in all my life such as people in this community, how many in the categories above are working in the council or Essex police as a pro rata proportion of the Colchester populous? How many elected councillors and representatives do you have in the borough or county in any of the above categories? Years ago you refused to twin with an Italian Town because you said it was over a horse race. The borough then picked the capitol of an independent principality state in Italy to twin with, as oppose to another straight forward town located in Italy. You lot are all in denial, or that is what you say in front of us to our face, behind our backs is a different story and this current vote rests my case in point on the issue. The member and canvasser of the white supremacists, who owns a shop in lion walk we know about you? A number of members of the BNP and the EDL, that work in the public sector in various official levy and adjudicatory bodies, we know about you lot as well. This vote has stereo-typified and outed the views around here, thank you very much indeed on behalf of all blacks and foreigners living in the town. They have stabbed Clegg in the back and I agree, have used him as a fall guy as someone has said above, the reason is that he is cosmopolitan and more in part a foreigner, than true British.[/p][/quote]EM, you need to brush up your geography. You are right that Colchester Borough Council refused to twin with Siena, on account of its twice-yearly Palio horse-race, which it considered cruel, for Siena would have made an ideal twin for an historic town like Colchester. Instead, Colchester twinned with Imola, a rather more ordinary ancient city of northern Italy. Imola happens to be the location of the San Marino Grand Prix, only because San Marino's territory is too small to have room for a motor racing track. So Imola is just as Italian as Colchester is British. . Incidentally, you cannot say Colchester is any more racist than anywhere else in Britain, for the percentage of UKIP voters roughly tallies with other places. I agree UKIP is xenophobic, I distributed leaflets telling people not to vote UKIP, but you will see next year that the UKIP vote will drop right back.[/p][/quote]Yes you are quite right how stupid of me my father would be ashamed of me, which was nothing unusual. However Imola against Sienna..LOL.. I spoke to my uncle about it yesterday on the phone and local Italians see Imola as the capitol of San Marino as some type of joke ! Probably where my confusion originates. Over lunch yesterday we saw the debate as an excuse to get the boot in to the Italians using The Palio as an excuse. I stand by what I said as above, I have had to work 10 times as hard as anyone else for promotion and other beneifts, in joke i have been called all the names under the sun, it is has not been very funny and one has had to grin and bear it. I suppose its "When in Rome you do as the Romans do". My mother is half cast or whatever the term is these days in skin colour, I have seen the rubbish and stick she gets even at 80 years old.[/p][/quote]San Marino is of course a bit of a joke. But it serves to give Italy a few extra points in eurovision song contests, and it serves to give the England football team an easy win when they are drawn together in the Euro or World Cup qualifying rounds. San Marino may well score first, as they did at the old Wembley stadium in the late 90s, but that is just the "gol della bandiera". I assume you understand that, but if you don't, your uncle will. I am sorry to hear about the struggles that you face, and even more so your poor mother. I am pleased that lodging houses no longer have notices in the window saying "No Irish No Coloured No Dogs", as was common in my youth. I thought this country was getting better, but I know there is still a long way to go. Xenophobic parties like UKIP do not help. Boris
  • Score: 1

10:48pm Wed 28 May 14

Ethnic-Minority says...

Boris says...
San Marino is of course a bit of a joke. But it serves to give Italy a few extra points in eurovision song contests, and it serves to give the England football team an easy win when they are drawn together in the Euro or World Cup qualifying rounds. San Marino may well score first, as they did at the old Wembley stadium in the late 90s, but that is just the "gol della bandiera". I assume you understand that, but if you don't, your uncle will.
I am sorry to hear about the struggles that you face, and even more so your poor mother. I am pleased that lodging houses no longer have notices in the window saying "No Irish No Coloured No Dogs", as was common in my youth. I thought this country was getting better, but I know there is still a long way to go. Xenophobic parties like UKIP do not help.
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Yes thank you very much Boris I do not wish to get on a race card bandwagon about the worries of UKIP but it is somewhat concerning, especially as we get old.
http://www.bbc.co.uk
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One third of Britons 'admit being racially prejudiced'
Todays BBC News article was rather concerning. My poor old dad bless his heart came from the Alps and was on his way to the USA he stopped here for 1 year and Trust House Forte asked him to stay because of skills and profession. He had to report to a Police Station once a week for the first three months then once a month for three years. In the end the local Special Branch Officer came to the house in New town and became a long life family friend. John Pratt (Colchester Borough Constabulary/Essex Police Deceased ) John became a sort of God Father to me: My father had his own money cars and motorbikes and had enough money, to buy his own house £800 outright. There was very little benefits for Foreigners. My mother had a terrible time getting benefits out of the system, barely what we were entitled to if any at all. Dad decided to stay here although the British government did give a considerable incentive for him to stay. My father could get away with a lot because he was Blond and blue eyed white skin, more Aryan. My mother took the brunt of the whispers due to her distinctive visual ethnicity, summer months were the worse. Im not bothered about it now one becomes so thick skinned that rudeness, incivility and lack of concern for others becomes more of an issue. I would be a lot more content if I could leave my front door open all day and not read about people getting stabbed and killed in the town. I can only wish, roll on another life.
Sorry about the San Marino thing, I get the joke now from my family and yourself Salute'
Boris says... San Marino is of course a bit of a joke. But it serves to give Italy a few extra points in eurovision song contests, and it serves to give the England football team an easy win when they are drawn together in the Euro or World Cup qualifying rounds. San Marino may well score first, as they did at the old Wembley stadium in the late 90s, but that is just the "gol della bandiera". I assume you understand that, but if you don't, your uncle will. I am sorry to hear about the struggles that you face, and even more so your poor mother. I am pleased that lodging houses no longer have notices in the window saying "No Irish No Coloured No Dogs", as was common in my youth. I thought this country was getting better, but I know there is still a long way to go. Xenophobic parties like UKIP do not help. ____________________ ____________________ _________________ Yes thank you very much Boris I do not wish to get on a race card bandwagon about the worries of UKIP but it is somewhat concerning, especially as we get old. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-27599401 One third of Britons 'admit being racially prejudiced' Todays BBC News article was rather concerning. My poor old dad bless his heart came from the Alps and was on his way to the USA he stopped here for 1 year and Trust House Forte asked him to stay because of skills and profession. He had to report to a Police Station once a week for the first three months then once a month for three years. In the end the local Special Branch Officer came to the house in New town and became a long life family friend. John Pratt (Colchester Borough Constabulary/Essex Police Deceased ) John became a sort of God Father to me: My father had his own money cars and motorbikes and had enough money, to buy his own house £800 outright. There was very little benefits for Foreigners. My mother had a terrible time getting benefits out of the system, barely what we were entitled to if any at all. Dad decided to stay here although the British government did give a considerable incentive for him to stay. My father could get away with a lot because he was Blond and blue eyed white skin, more Aryan. My mother took the brunt of the whispers due to her distinctive visual ethnicity, summer months were the worse. Im not bothered about it now one becomes so thick skinned that rudeness, incivility and lack of concern for others becomes more of an issue. I would be a lot more content if I could leave my front door open all day and not read about people getting stabbed and killed in the town. I can only wish, roll on another life. Sorry about the San Marino thing, I get the joke now from my family and yourself Salute' Ethnic-Minority
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11:36pm Thu 29 May 14

Boris says...

Ethnic-Minority wrote:
Boris says...
San Marino is of course a bit of a joke. But it serves to give Italy a few extra points in eurovision song contests, and it serves to give the England football team an easy win when they are drawn together in the Euro or World Cup qualifying rounds. San Marino may well score first, as they did at the old Wembley stadium in the late 90s, but that is just the "gol della bandiera". I assume you understand that, but if you don't, your uncle will.
I am sorry to hear about the struggles that you face, and even more so your poor mother. I am pleased that lodging houses no longer have notices in the window saying "No Irish No Coloured No Dogs", as was common in my youth. I thought this country was getting better, but I know there is still a long way to go. Xenophobic parties like UKIP do not help.
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Yes thank you very much Boris I do not wish to get on a race card bandwagon about the worries of UKIP but it is somewhat concerning, especially as we get old.
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One third of Britons 'admit being racially prejudiced'
Todays BBC News article was rather concerning. My poor old dad bless his heart came from the Alps and was on his way to the USA he stopped here for 1 year and Trust House Forte asked him to stay because of skills and profession. He had to report to a Police Station once a week for the first three months then once a month for three years. In the end the local Special Branch Officer came to the house in New town and became a long life family friend. John Pratt (Colchester Borough Constabulary/Essex Police Deceased ) John became a sort of God Father to me: My father had his own money cars and motorbikes and had enough money, to buy his own house £800 outright. There was very little benefits for Foreigners. My mother had a terrible time getting benefits out of the system, barely what we were entitled to if any at all. Dad decided to stay here although the British government did give a considerable incentive for him to stay. My father could get away with a lot because he was Blond and blue eyed white skin, more Aryan. My mother took the brunt of the whispers due to her distinctive visual ethnicity, summer months were the worse. Im not bothered about it now one becomes so thick skinned that rudeness, incivility and lack of concern for others becomes more of an issue. I would be a lot more content if I could leave my front door open all day and not read about people getting stabbed and killed in the town. I can only wish, roll on another life.
Sorry about the San Marino thing, I get the joke now from my family and yourself Salute'
EM, you mention that your dad came from the Alps, i.e. northern Italy. You will surely be aware of the racism of northern Italians towards people from the south of their own country. I'm sure youre dad was not guilty of this, but I observed it at first hand when I lived in Milan in the 1960s and 70s. That hostility lives on in the Lega Nord. And it has been given new impetus in recent years by the arrival of countless migrants from Africa
Sadly there is xenophobia everywhere, and it may take hundreds of years before we can get rid of it.
[quote][p][bold]Ethnic-Minority[/bold] wrote: Boris says... San Marino is of course a bit of a joke. But it serves to give Italy a few extra points in eurovision song contests, and it serves to give the England football team an easy win when they are drawn together in the Euro or World Cup qualifying rounds. San Marino may well score first, as they did at the old Wembley stadium in the late 90s, but that is just the "gol della bandiera". I assume you understand that, but if you don't, your uncle will. I am sorry to hear about the struggles that you face, and even more so your poor mother. I am pleased that lodging houses no longer have notices in the window saying "No Irish No Coloured No Dogs", as was common in my youth. I thought this country was getting better, but I know there is still a long way to go. Xenophobic parties like UKIP do not help. ____________________ ____________________ _________________ Yes thank you very much Boris I do not wish to get on a race card bandwagon about the worries of UKIP but it is somewhat concerning, especially as we get old. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-27599401 One third of Britons 'admit being racially prejudiced' Todays BBC News article was rather concerning. My poor old dad bless his heart came from the Alps and was on his way to the USA he stopped here for 1 year and Trust House Forte asked him to stay because of skills and profession. He had to report to a Police Station once a week for the first three months then once a month for three years. In the end the local Special Branch Officer came to the house in New town and became a long life family friend. John Pratt (Colchester Borough Constabulary/Essex Police Deceased ) John became a sort of God Father to me: My father had his own money cars and motorbikes and had enough money, to buy his own house £800 outright. There was very little benefits for Foreigners. My mother had a terrible time getting benefits out of the system, barely what we were entitled to if any at all. Dad decided to stay here although the British government did give a considerable incentive for him to stay. My father could get away with a lot because he was Blond and blue eyed white skin, more Aryan. My mother took the brunt of the whispers due to her distinctive visual ethnicity, summer months were the worse. Im not bothered about it now one becomes so thick skinned that rudeness, incivility and lack of concern for others becomes more of an issue. I would be a lot more content if I could leave my front door open all day and not read about people getting stabbed and killed in the town. I can only wish, roll on another life. Sorry about the San Marino thing, I get the joke now from my family and yourself Salute'[/p][/quote]EM, you mention that your dad came from the Alps, i.e. northern Italy. You will surely be aware of the racism of northern Italians towards people from the south of their own country. I'm sure youre dad was not guilty of this, but I observed it at first hand when I lived in Milan in the 1960s and 70s. That hostility lives on in the Lega Nord. And it has been given new impetus in recent years by the arrival of countless migrants from Africa Sadly there is xenophobia everywhere, and it may take hundreds of years before we can get rid of it. Boris
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5:41pm Fri 30 May 14

MrDarcy says...

Everything we know of UKIP is via the press. Even this story is blatantly biased reporting. What exactly have UKIP done wrong to be hated so much, and also to label any UKIP supporter biggots/racists etc etc... Britain has been ruined by people to scared to offend. Its time someone finally had the balls to get there hands dirty and sort this failing nation out. I am all for causing offense, these issues we face day to day are solely caused by being part of the EU circle, and if UKIP can get us out of it, I will vote UKIP time and again. We are all entitled to our opinion's ~ But I doubt you will find any UKIP supporters throwing there toys outa the pram or calling names. I am a black 35 year old male born and raised in Great Britain and every year i have seen this nation slowly crumble away. UKIP do not care about race or religion all they care about is what's British. Take that how you will. Just like the st'georges cross causes offence UKIP will too.
Everything we know of UKIP is via the press. Even this story is blatantly biased reporting. What exactly have UKIP done wrong to be hated so much, and also to label any UKIP supporter biggots/racists etc etc... Britain has been ruined by people to scared to offend. Its time someone finally had the balls to get there hands dirty and sort this failing nation out. I am all for causing offense, these issues we face day to day are solely caused by being part of the EU circle, and if UKIP can get us out of it, I will vote UKIP time and again. We are all entitled to our opinion's ~ But I doubt you will find any UKIP supporters throwing there toys outa the pram or calling names. I am a black 35 year old male born and raised in Great Britain and every year i have seen this nation slowly crumble away. UKIP do not care about race or religion all they care about is what's British. Take that how you will. Just like the st'georges cross causes offence UKIP will too. MrDarcy
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