TV show bar Silk Road in fight for its licence

Gazette: TV show bar in fight for its licence TV show bar in fight for its licence

COLCHESTER’S Silk Road bar has been hauled before licensing officials.

Essex Police, which has asked for a hearing, says trouble inside and outside the nightspot can be attributed to its customers and the sale of alcohol.

A spokesman said: “There have been a series of incidents in the past six months and police have concerns.”

Osman Rasih, owner of Silk Road, which featured in Channel 4 show Bouncers, said he will fight the allegations.

Read the full story in today's Gazette (Tuesday).

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5:37pm Tue 18 Feb 14

wearebeingwatched says...

I await the flurry of comments...
I await the flurry of comments... wearebeingwatched

6:14pm Tue 18 Feb 14

mike 96 says...

common sense at last.
common sense at last. mike 96

6:50pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Ritchie_Hicks says...

Osman Rasih was in the paper a few weeks ago threatening to stay open until the early hours of the morning if the late night levvy was enforced.

He's clearly uninterested in the damage that his business and patrons are causing and therefore isn't responsible enough to be a licencee!
Osman Rasih was in the paper a few weeks ago threatening to stay open until the early hours of the morning if the late night levvy was enforced. He's clearly uninterested in the damage that his business and patrons are causing and therefore isn't responsible enough to be a licencee! Ritchie_Hicks

6:55pm Tue 18 Feb 14

eskimo22 says...

why is there so much negativity towards silk road? that end of town has always had its problems for how ever long.. people forget that most of the trouble occurs when clubs up the top end of town have closed and are walking home or to get food. if people cant handle the amount they drink maybe people need to look at whos to blame. silk road has been run to a very high standard by friendly staff and owners and the door staff do the job they need to do.. since the bouncers program all blame has hit one club! be serious idiots making places look something there not.. trouble lately in queen street hasn't been provoked by any particular place its people going one step to far and acting like losers being the people there not.. the council and police need to get a better grip of town in general and don't throw so much negativity on to a place that isn't to blame!! Hit the shops that sell cheap booze people are half drunk before they even go to town by 3am there in a state beyond belief..
why is there so much negativity towards silk road? that end of town has always had its problems for how ever long.. people forget that most of the trouble occurs when clubs up the top end of town have closed and are walking home or to get food. if people cant handle the amount they drink maybe people need to look at whos to blame. silk road has been run to a very high standard by friendly staff and owners and the door staff do the job they need to do.. since the bouncers program all blame has hit one club! be serious idiots making places look something there not.. trouble lately in queen street hasn't been provoked by any particular place its people going one step to far and acting like losers being the people there not.. the council and police need to get a better grip of town in general and don't throw so much negativity on to a place that isn't to blame!! Hit the shops that sell cheap booze people are half drunk before they even go to town by 3am there in a state beyond belief.. eskimo22

6:59pm Tue 18 Feb 14

eskimo22 says...

people also forget that a lot of trouble happens in food places.... wheres the negativity on them? why not close them early or are people just 1 minded!!
people also forget that a lot of trouble happens in food places.... wheres the negativity on them? why not close them early or are people just 1 minded!! eskimo22

7:40pm Tue 18 Feb 14

angryman!!! says...

Everyone knows it's a chav hole, if you go there you expect trouble. The late night levy is simplest way of dealing with this any club/bar with a music license that's open after midnight pays for extra policing.
Silk rd is one of the main culprits but not the only culprit. Don't think you can blame the food outlets pretty a sure no matter how much crap goes into a Kebab it doesn't make you fight.
Everyone knows it's a chav hole, if you go there you expect trouble. The late night levy is simplest way of dealing with this any club/bar with a music license that's open after midnight pays for extra policing. Silk rd is one of the main culprits but not the only culprit. Don't think you can blame the food outlets pretty a sure no matter how much crap goes into a Kebab it doesn't make you fight. angryman!!!

7:42pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Anonymous_10 says...

Maybe if the police actually walked around the town and made themselves known in that area instead of hiding in their cars on the outskirts only rushing in when theres a problem then maybe the incidents would be vastly reduced! It was only around 3 weeks ago that there appeared to be a weekend when the police were making themselves known WALKING around the town and speaking to people and the night was brilliant. People out that night commented on how much nicer and safer everything felt because no idiot would cause an issue with the police standing basically next to them. However this only happened for one weekend and has now again gone back to the usual policing of sitting in cars on the outskirts or dare i say it back at the station! Silk Road isnt the problem in that street it is very rare that there is a fight in the venue and if there is an issue it is swiftly dealt with (like other venues which are not being reviewed) the main fights and attacks happen in the streets where everyone congregates to get food (the high street and head street do not suffer this problem due to the lack of fast food at that time of night/morning). Seems to me the main reason for this review is since TP's closure if Silk Road dissapears it will kill of that area of town leaving the police to just focus on crouch street, head street and the high street which is much easier area for them to patrol and they wont have to be spread all over the town. Maybe if the police actually police'd the town properly and not just by responding to incidents that have already occured there wouldnt be the issues there are! One question to all those who are anti Silk Road, do you have any first had experience of visiting the venue or is your opinion based on hearsay and a biased TV programme that did the town no favours full stop?
Maybe if the police actually walked around the town and made themselves known in that area instead of hiding in their cars on the outskirts only rushing in when theres a problem then maybe the incidents would be vastly reduced! It was only around 3 weeks ago that there appeared to be a weekend when the police were making themselves known WALKING around the town and speaking to people and the night was brilliant. People out that night commented on how much nicer and safer everything felt because no idiot would cause an issue with the police standing basically next to them. However this only happened for one weekend and has now again gone back to the usual policing of sitting in cars on the outskirts or dare i say it back at the station! Silk Road isnt the problem in that street it is very rare that there is a fight in the venue and if there is an issue it is swiftly dealt with (like other venues which are not being reviewed) the main fights and attacks happen in the streets where everyone congregates to get food (the high street and head street do not suffer this problem due to the lack of fast food at that time of night/morning). Seems to me the main reason for this review is since TP's closure if Silk Road dissapears it will kill of that area of town leaving the police to just focus on crouch street, head street and the high street which is much easier area for them to patrol and they wont have to be spread all over the town. Maybe if the police actually police'd the town properly and not just by responding to incidents that have already occured there wouldnt be the issues there are! One question to all those who are anti Silk Road, do you have any first had experience of visiting the venue or is your opinion based on hearsay and a biased TV programme that did the town no favours full stop? Anonymous_10

8:15pm Tue 18 Feb 14

greenbroker says...

eskimo22 Why should they hit the shops that sell cheap booze? Basically, that's equivalent to senior/sensible people who can control their drink contributing more of their hard earned money to the shopkeepers/governme
nt. Pissheads will pay whatever the price.
eskimo22 Why should they hit the shops that sell cheap booze? Basically, that's equivalent to senior/sensible people who can control their drink contributing more of their hard earned money to the shopkeepers/governme nt. Pissheads will pay whatever the price. greenbroker

8:23pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Suffolkcommuter says...

Anonymous_10 wrote:
Maybe if the police actually walked around the town and made themselves known in that area instead of hiding in their cars on the outskirts only rushing in when theres a problem then maybe the incidents would be vastly reduced! It was only around 3 weeks ago that there appeared to be a weekend when the police were making themselves known WALKING around the town and speaking to people and the night was brilliant. People out that night commented on how much nicer and safer everything felt because no idiot would cause an issue with the police standing basically next to them. However this only happened for one weekend and has now again gone back to the usual policing of sitting in cars on the outskirts or dare i say it back at the station! Silk Road isnt the problem in that street it is very rare that there is a fight in the venue and if there is an issue it is swiftly dealt with (like other venues which are not being reviewed) the main fights and attacks happen in the streets where everyone congregates to get food (the high street and head street do not suffer this problem due to the lack of fast food at that time of night/morning). Seems to me the main reason for this review is since TP's closure if Silk Road dissapears it will kill of that area of town leaving the police to just focus on crouch street, head street and the high street which is much easier area for them to patrol and they wont have to be spread all over the town. Maybe if the police actually police'd the town properly and not just by responding to incidents that have already occured there wouldnt be the issues there are! One question to all those who are anti Silk Road, do you have any first had experience of visiting the venue or is your opinion based on hearsay and a biased TV programme that did the town no favours full stop?
Nope. No experience of visiting the venue, as I have no intention of mixing with this ilk whatsoever. Colchester doesn't need it.

I can only comment on the vast number of assaults in this area reported by the media over the last year or more. Close it down is my opinion. Safety is more important than everyone getting a kebab, all the more reason to restrict the number of licensed premises all kicking out punters at the same time, on a road, which has a terrible reputation.

So people spread out and go elsewhere? So what? The dregs may leave Colchester in need of a fix elsewhere, all the better in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Anonymous_10[/bold] wrote: Maybe if the police actually walked around the town and made themselves known in that area instead of hiding in their cars on the outskirts only rushing in when theres a problem then maybe the incidents would be vastly reduced! It was only around 3 weeks ago that there appeared to be a weekend when the police were making themselves known WALKING around the town and speaking to people and the night was brilliant. People out that night commented on how much nicer and safer everything felt because no idiot would cause an issue with the police standing basically next to them. However this only happened for one weekend and has now again gone back to the usual policing of sitting in cars on the outskirts or dare i say it back at the station! Silk Road isnt the problem in that street it is very rare that there is a fight in the venue and if there is an issue it is swiftly dealt with (like other venues which are not being reviewed) the main fights and attacks happen in the streets where everyone congregates to get food (the high street and head street do not suffer this problem due to the lack of fast food at that time of night/morning). Seems to me the main reason for this review is since TP's closure if Silk Road dissapears it will kill of that area of town leaving the police to just focus on crouch street, head street and the high street which is much easier area for them to patrol and they wont have to be spread all over the town. Maybe if the police actually police'd the town properly and not just by responding to incidents that have already occured there wouldnt be the issues there are! One question to all those who are anti Silk Road, do you have any first had experience of visiting the venue or is your opinion based on hearsay and a biased TV programme that did the town no favours full stop?[/p][/quote]Nope. No experience of visiting the venue, as I have no intention of mixing with this ilk whatsoever. Colchester doesn't need it. I can only comment on the vast number of assaults in this area reported by the media over the last year or more. Close it down is my opinion. Safety is more important than everyone getting a kebab, all the more reason to restrict the number of licensed premises all kicking out punters at the same time, on a road, which has a terrible reputation. So people spread out and go elsewhere? So what? The dregs may leave Colchester in need of a fix elsewhere, all the better in my opinion. Suffolkcommuter

8:27pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Suffolkcommuter says...

eskimo22 wrote:
why is there so much negativity towards silk road? that end of town has always had its problems for how ever long.. people forget that most of the trouble occurs when clubs up the top end of town have closed and are walking home or to get food. if people cant handle the amount they drink maybe people need to look at whos to blame. silk road has been run to a very high standard by friendly staff and owners and the door staff do the job they need to do.. since the bouncers program all blame has hit one club! be serious idiots making places look something there not.. trouble lately in queen street hasn't been provoked by any particular place its people going one step to far and acting like losers being the people there not.. the council and police need to get a better grip of town in general and don't throw so much negativity on to a place that isn't to blame!! Hit the shops that sell cheap booze people are half drunk before they even go to town by 3am there in a state beyond belief..
Its not always the council's or police's fault! The punters need to take responsibility for their OWN behaviour
[quote][p][bold]eskimo22[/bold] wrote: why is there so much negativity towards silk road? that end of town has always had its problems for how ever long.. people forget that most of the trouble occurs when clubs up the top end of town have closed and are walking home or to get food. if people cant handle the amount they drink maybe people need to look at whos to blame. silk road has been run to a very high standard by friendly staff and owners and the door staff do the job they need to do.. since the bouncers program all blame has hit one club! be serious idiots making places look something there not.. trouble lately in queen street hasn't been provoked by any particular place its people going one step to far and acting like losers being the people there not.. the council and police need to get a better grip of town in general and don't throw so much negativity on to a place that isn't to blame!! Hit the shops that sell cheap booze people are half drunk before they even go to town by 3am there in a state beyond belief..[/p][/quote]Its not always the council's or police's fault! The punters need to take responsibility for their OWN behaviour Suffolkcommuter

9:19pm Tue 18 Feb 14

wormshero says...

I hope it doesn't close, the people who go there every weekend night would start going to the much more chilled Fashions instead and ruin it.

Trouble at the end of the night will likely happen wherever it is from time to time. I do feel this area should be policed better at closing time though, and yes the bars on this stretch should have to help fund that. I seem to recall the Silk Road owner being okay with that in a previous article?
I hope it doesn't close, the people who go there every weekend night would start going to the much more chilled Fashions instead and ruin it. Trouble at the end of the night will likely happen wherever it is from time to time. I do feel this area should be policed better at closing time though, and yes the bars on this stretch should have to help fund that. I seem to recall the Silk Road owner being okay with that in a previous article? wormshero

9:21pm Tue 18 Feb 14

jut1972 says...

eskimo22 wrote:
why is there so much negativity towards silk road? that end of town has always had its problems for how ever long.. people forget that most of the trouble occurs when clubs up the top end of town have closed and are walking home or to get food. if people cant handle the amount they drink maybe people need to look at whos to blame. silk road has been run to a very high standard by friendly staff and owners and the door staff do the job they need to do.. since the bouncers program all blame has hit one club! be serious idiots making places look something there not.. trouble lately in queen street hasn't been provoked by any particular place its people going one step to far and acting like losers being the people there not.. the council and police need to get a better grip of town in general and don't throw so much negativity on to a place that isn't to blame!! Hit the shops that sell cheap booze people are half drunk before they even go to town by 3am there in a state beyond belief..
It's your last sentence...

Hit the shops that sell cheap booze people are half drunk before they even go to town by 3am there in a state beyond belief..

If someone is half cut why do the bars like Silk Road carry on serving them? Cos they are more interested in money than the trouble they help cause.
[quote][p][bold]eskimo22[/bold] wrote: why is there so much negativity towards silk road? that end of town has always had its problems for how ever long.. people forget that most of the trouble occurs when clubs up the top end of town have closed and are walking home or to get food. if people cant handle the amount they drink maybe people need to look at whos to blame. silk road has been run to a very high standard by friendly staff and owners and the door staff do the job they need to do.. since the bouncers program all blame has hit one club! be serious idiots making places look something there not.. trouble lately in queen street hasn't been provoked by any particular place its people going one step to far and acting like losers being the people there not.. the council and police need to get a better grip of town in general and don't throw so much negativity on to a place that isn't to blame!! Hit the shops that sell cheap booze people are half drunk before they even go to town by 3am there in a state beyond belief..[/p][/quote]It's your last sentence... Hit the shops that sell cheap booze people are half drunk before they even go to town by 3am there in a state beyond belief.. If someone is half cut why do the bars like Silk Road carry on serving them? Cos they are more interested in money than the trouble they help cause. jut1972

9:34pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Jess says...

hey, this is silk road's bad karma for using a TV show to portray it's rowdy bar as being what the entire town is like. it's like Liquid/Envy- one bad place doesn't spoil all of High street.
hey, this is silk road's bad karma for using a TV show to portray it's rowdy bar as being what the entire town is like. it's like Liquid/Envy- one bad place doesn't spoil all of High street. Jess

9:39pm Tue 18 Feb 14

angryman!!! says...

Yes I have had plenty of first hand experience of picking up blokes that have been battered in the toilets, garden and outside silk rd. I used to go there a few years ago as sadly it was one of the few places open late. To say it doesn't have a problem with violence or drugs is a lie, unless it has dramatically changed in the past year. Maybe if they did something about the drug problem they may not have the violence problems. But with a name like Silk Road it's hardly surprising it's full of drug dealers.
Yes I have had plenty of first hand experience of picking up blokes that have been battered in the toilets, garden and outside silk rd. I used to go there a few years ago as sadly it was one of the few places open late. To say it doesn't have a problem with violence or drugs is a lie, unless it has dramatically changed in the past year. Maybe if they did something about the drug problem they may not have the violence problems. But with a name like Silk Road it's hardly surprising it's full of drug dealers. angryman!!!

9:55pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Carla Beard says...

I am writing with regards to the proposed early closure of Silk Road. As a previous license holder I can appreciate the safety of the public. I previously managed 2 Colchester Town Centre pubs and regularly attended pub watch meetings to ensure that I was aware of the rules and regulations as well as keeping up to date with what is going on in Colchester.

I left the hospitality industry 4 years ago to progress into a marketing career, however last year I got the itch and missed the customer interaction so I decided to plan for an event.

As it was my first event launch I wanted to ensure that I chose my venue carefully, which therefore led me on to choosing Silk Road. I don't really get drunk myself as I don't like the effects it has on people and in particular the trouble that can come with it. I wanted to ensure that the venue and clientèle was most suited to my needs. Without name dropping other venues within Colchester, some of the things I have seen in some venues is probably to explicit to mention, which is why I thought long and hard on where to go.

I was quite shocked with myself that I was not biased towards the previous venues that I have worked in, however after meeting Ozzie at Silk Road and understanding his work ethics I knew I had made the right decision.

I am out most weekends and used to try a different venue for a change of scenery, however I am always drawn back to Silk Road.

I am very shocked to hear that Silk Road is the 'cause of late night troubles'. My event at Silk Road was a huge success, a few sound difficulties and a few hiccups here and there (which can't be helped) but that's expected on a first event hey? Unfortunately there was a TV crew which filmed the night who portrayed the night, very different to how it actually went.

A gentlemen tripped up on the steps and cut his head open which was a complete accident however because the doorman that helped him had blood on his shirt, it was made out to look like the night included many fights and feuds. It didn't. The only trouble was having to call the police due to music equipment going missing (by the DJ)!

My point being, that it is very easy to make assumptions about how trouble is caused and where it happens however I am sure that you can appreciate that it is very easy to judge.

After the event, I volunteered to be in charge of the Social Media Accounts for Silk Road. Admittedly I had to respond to many complaints on a daily basis, however the complaints were from customers that were turned away for being too drunk 'however apparently they weren't!'

The main purpose of my message is that I really suggest you research more into the safe environment at Silk Road, however understand that trouble does happen sometimes wherever the event. Out of all of the venues in Colchester, hands down, Silk Road is the safest venue in Colchester. The staff are loyal, professional and safe and the door staff are very professional. At many venues the owner steps into the club once a week to check on the takings, whereas Ozzie is there all hours, ensuring a safe environment for his customers. I guarantee if you close down Silk Road early, trouble on Queen Street will still occur. It's 'Kebab Alley' it's where people end up to get food before they go home. Could I suggest that you spend more time on focusing on the early venues that allow binging at a next to nothing prices.
I am writing with regards to the proposed early closure of Silk Road. As a previous license holder I can appreciate the safety of the public. I previously managed 2 Colchester Town Centre pubs and regularly attended pub watch meetings to ensure that I was aware of the rules and regulations as well as keeping up to date with what is going on in Colchester. I left the hospitality industry 4 years ago to progress into a marketing career, however last year I got the itch and missed the customer interaction so I decided to plan for an event. As it was my first event launch I wanted to ensure that I chose my venue carefully, which therefore led me on to choosing Silk Road. I don't really get drunk myself as I don't like the effects it has on people and in particular the trouble that can come with it. I wanted to ensure that the venue and clientèle was most suited to my needs. Without name dropping other venues within Colchester, some of the things I have seen in some venues is probably to explicit to mention, which is why I thought long and hard on where to go. I was quite shocked with myself that I was not biased towards the previous venues that I have worked in, however after meeting Ozzie at Silk Road and understanding his work ethics I knew I had made the right decision. I am out most weekends and used to try a different venue for a change of scenery, however I am always drawn back to Silk Road. I am very shocked to hear that Silk Road is the 'cause of late night troubles'. My event at Silk Road was a huge success, a few sound difficulties and a few hiccups here and there (which can't be helped) but that's expected on a first event hey? Unfortunately there was a TV crew which filmed the night who portrayed the night, very different to how it actually went. A gentlemen tripped up on the steps and cut his head open which was a complete accident however because the doorman that helped him had blood on his shirt, it was made out to look like the night included many fights and feuds. It didn't. The only trouble was having to call the police due to music equipment going missing (by the DJ)! My point being, that it is very easy to make assumptions about how trouble is caused and where it happens however I am sure that you can appreciate that it is very easy to judge. After the event, I volunteered to be in charge of the Social Media Accounts for Silk Road. Admittedly I had to respond to many complaints on a daily basis, however the complaints were from customers that were turned away for being too drunk 'however apparently they weren't!' The main purpose of my message is that I really suggest you research more into the safe environment at Silk Road, however understand that trouble does happen sometimes wherever the event. Out of all of the venues in Colchester, hands down, Silk Road is the safest venue in Colchester. The staff are loyal, professional and safe and the door staff are very professional. At many venues the owner steps into the club once a week to check on the takings, whereas Ozzie is there all hours, ensuring a safe environment for his customers. I guarantee if you close down Silk Road early, trouble on Queen Street will still occur. It's 'Kebab Alley' it's where people end up to get food before they go home. Could I suggest that you spend more time on focusing on the early venues that allow binging at a next to nothing prices. Carla Beard

10:00pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Anonymous_10 says...

Suffolkcommuter wrote:
Anonymous_10 wrote:
Maybe if the police actually walked around the town and made themselves known in that area instead of hiding in their cars on the outskirts only rushing in when theres a problem then maybe the incidents would be vastly reduced! It was only around 3 weeks ago that there appeared to be a weekend when the police were making themselves known WALKING around the town and speaking to people and the night was brilliant. People out that night commented on how much nicer and safer everything felt because no idiot would cause an issue with the police standing basically next to them. However this only happened for one weekend and has now again gone back to the usual policing of sitting in cars on the outskirts or dare i say it back at the station! Silk Road isnt the problem in that street it is very rare that there is a fight in the venue and if there is an issue it is swiftly dealt with (like other venues which are not being reviewed) the main fights and attacks happen in the streets where everyone congregates to get food (the high street and head street do not suffer this problem due to the lack of fast food at that time of night/morning). Seems to me the main reason for this review is since TP's closure if Silk Road dissapears it will kill of that area of town leaving the police to just focus on crouch street, head street and the high street which is much easier area for them to patrol and they wont have to be spread all over the town. Maybe if the police actually police'd the town properly and not just by responding to incidents that have already occured there wouldnt be the issues there are! One question to all those who are anti Silk Road, do you have any first had experience of visiting the venue or is your opinion based on hearsay and a biased TV programme that did the town no favours full stop?
Nope. No experience of visiting the venue, as I have no intention of mixing with this ilk whatsoever. Colchester doesn't need it.

I can only comment on the vast number of assaults in this area reported by the media over the last year or more. Close it down is my opinion. Safety is more important than everyone getting a kebab, all the more reason to restrict the number of licensed premises all kicking out punters at the same time, on a road, which has a terrible reputation.

So people spread out and go elsewhere? So what? The dregs may leave Colchester in need of a fix elsewhere, all the better in my opinion.
So youve right there summed up what is wrong with this town. People like urself far to quickly jump on the bandwagon without having a clue what there talking about. How can you comment on the safety of the venue if youve never visited the place? You have urself said the assaults happen in the area, thats not the venues fault. To be honest half the people in queen street getting food probably havent been to Silk Road that night theve probably walked round from the OTHER bars and venues! So you want the nightlife gone, since when has it been your decision as to what Colchester does and doesnt need. Far to many people live in this town with there heads in the clouds and that anything there not interested in isnt worth doing. Many members of the council i feel are guilty of that too, instead of it being a decision the local community make together they just decide what colchester does and doesnt need based on what they themselves would like and not like. This license review isnt and shouldnt be about incidents in the street outside of the venue it should purely be based on incidents in the venue and they themselves are rare with the idiots that cause trouble being shown the exit before anything actually happens. What happens outside on the streets is for the police to deal with not the venue (ask the police what would happen if a member of the door staff intervened in a incident outside of a venue where they have no right to intervene) and its the lack of policing that is the problem here (yes its actually the idiots who think having a fun night is having a fight but that unfortunatly is for the police to deal with and to stamp out of them along with society as a whole).
[quote][p][bold]Suffolkcommuter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anonymous_10[/bold] wrote: Maybe if the police actually walked around the town and made themselves known in that area instead of hiding in their cars on the outskirts only rushing in when theres a problem then maybe the incidents would be vastly reduced! It was only around 3 weeks ago that there appeared to be a weekend when the police were making themselves known WALKING around the town and speaking to people and the night was brilliant. People out that night commented on how much nicer and safer everything felt because no idiot would cause an issue with the police standing basically next to them. However this only happened for one weekend and has now again gone back to the usual policing of sitting in cars on the outskirts or dare i say it back at the station! Silk Road isnt the problem in that street it is very rare that there is a fight in the venue and if there is an issue it is swiftly dealt with (like other venues which are not being reviewed) the main fights and attacks happen in the streets where everyone congregates to get food (the high street and head street do not suffer this problem due to the lack of fast food at that time of night/morning). Seems to me the main reason for this review is since TP's closure if Silk Road dissapears it will kill of that area of town leaving the police to just focus on crouch street, head street and the high street which is much easier area for them to patrol and they wont have to be spread all over the town. Maybe if the police actually police'd the town properly and not just by responding to incidents that have already occured there wouldnt be the issues there are! One question to all those who are anti Silk Road, do you have any first had experience of visiting the venue or is your opinion based on hearsay and a biased TV programme that did the town no favours full stop?[/p][/quote]Nope. No experience of visiting the venue, as I have no intention of mixing with this ilk whatsoever. Colchester doesn't need it. I can only comment on the vast number of assaults in this area reported by the media over the last year or more. Close it down is my opinion. Safety is more important than everyone getting a kebab, all the more reason to restrict the number of licensed premises all kicking out punters at the same time, on a road, which has a terrible reputation. So people spread out and go elsewhere? So what? The dregs may leave Colchester in need of a fix elsewhere, all the better in my opinion.[/p][/quote]So youve right there summed up what is wrong with this town. People like urself far to quickly jump on the bandwagon without having a clue what there talking about. How can you comment on the safety of the venue if youve never visited the place? You have urself said the assaults happen in the area, thats not the venues fault. To be honest half the people in queen street getting food probably havent been to Silk Road that night theve probably walked round from the OTHER bars and venues! So you want the nightlife gone, since when has it been your decision as to what Colchester does and doesnt need. Far to many people live in this town with there heads in the clouds and that anything there not interested in isnt worth doing. Many members of the council i feel are guilty of that too, instead of it being a decision the local community make together they just decide what colchester does and doesnt need based on what they themselves would like and not like. This license review isnt and shouldnt be about incidents in the street outside of the venue it should purely be based on incidents in the venue and they themselves are rare with the idiots that cause trouble being shown the exit before anything actually happens. What happens outside on the streets is for the police to deal with not the venue (ask the police what would happen if a member of the door staff intervened in a incident outside of a venue where they have no right to intervene) and its the lack of policing that is the problem here (yes its actually the idiots who think having a fun night is having a fight but that unfortunatly is for the police to deal with and to stamp out of them along with society as a whole). Anonymous_10

10:18pm Tue 18 Feb 14

talllboy says...

Maybe waving the big stick of closure at club owners might make them think a bit about who they serve. Hitting them in the pocket might work ... I doubt it ... but you have to live in hope, don't you?

How about a secret shopper (drinker) programme? A similar scheme worked to catch shopkeepers selling fags to kids a couple of years back.

And the point about food made earlier in the thread is a good one - not that kebabs promote fighting - but upon leaving a club if there were no reasons to hang around then there may be less opportunities for fights. Or perhaps require clubs to provide food to go with the booze??

I guess it was always like this at chucking out time ... just letting the clubs stay open later and later just extends the pain.
Maybe waving the big stick of closure at club owners might make them think a bit about who they serve. Hitting them in the pocket might work ... I doubt it ... but you have to live in hope, don't you? How about a secret shopper (drinker) programme? A similar scheme worked to catch shopkeepers selling fags to kids a couple of years back. And the point about food made earlier in the thread is a good one - not that kebabs promote fighting - but upon leaving a club if there were no reasons to hang around then there may be less opportunities for fights. Or perhaps require clubs to provide food to go with the booze?? I guess it was always like this at chucking out time ... just letting the clubs stay open later and later just extends the pain. talllboy

11:21pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Harry-Brown says...

Never heard so much drivel in all my years i live across the road in newtown and St Bots is a S**Thole always has been always will be.
The doorman there need the boot, we need our own local boys here not outsiders....
As for the posts stating i go back their because there is nowhere else, its a slapper zone
But good on you if thats your thing..
Whats not good is the lads punching the sh*t out of each other after the Testo rone has gone to their heads, with too much cleavage and booze to guzzle at.
Lads will try to impress along with the dutch courage and drugs of course.
Old bill are right to shut the place down 11pm licence then close it down, or better still shut it down altogether.
Kebab alley used to be in crouch street brain of britain, the first kebab shop in colchester was Keyani
Ayaz, to his mates John, his brother was Kenny the cab driver with the Colt Taxi's
St Bots was taken over by the open door immigration boom.
Never heard so much drivel in all my years i live across the road in newtown and St Bots is a S**Thole always has been always will be. The doorman there need the boot, we need our own local boys here not outsiders.... As for the posts stating i go back their because there is nowhere else, its a slapper zone But good on you if thats your thing.. Whats not good is the lads punching the sh*t out of each other after the Testo rone has gone to their heads, with too much cleavage and booze to guzzle at. Lads will try to impress along with the dutch courage and drugs of course. Old bill are right to shut the place down 11pm licence then close it down, or better still shut it down altogether. Kebab alley used to be in crouch street brain of britain, the first kebab shop in colchester was Keyani Ayaz, to his mates John, his brother was Kenny the cab driver with the Colt Taxi's St Bots was taken over by the open door immigration boom. Harry-Brown

11:30pm Tue 18 Feb 14

mirokou says...

Carla Beard wrote:
I am writing with regards to the proposed early closure of Silk Road. As a previous license holder I can appreciate the safety of the public. I previously managed 2 Colchester Town Centre pubs and regularly attended pub watch meetings to ensure that I was aware of the rules and regulations as well as keeping up to date with what is going on in Colchester.

I left the hospitality industry 4 years ago to progress into a marketing career, however last year I got the itch and missed the customer interaction so I decided to plan for an event.

As it was my first event launch I wanted to ensure that I chose my venue carefully, which therefore led me on to choosing Silk Road. I don't really get drunk myself as I don't like the effects it has on people and in particular the trouble that can come with it. I wanted to ensure that the venue and clientèle was most suited to my needs. Without name dropping other venues within Colchester, some of the things I have seen in some venues is probably to explicit to mention, which is why I thought long and hard on where to go.

I was quite shocked with myself that I was not biased towards the previous venues that I have worked in, however after meeting Ozzie at Silk Road and understanding his work ethics I knew I had made the right decision.

I am out most weekends and used to try a different venue for a change of scenery, however I am always drawn back to Silk Road.

I am very shocked to hear that Silk Road is the 'cause of late night troubles'. My event at Silk Road was a huge success, a few sound difficulties and a few hiccups here and there (which can't be helped) but that's expected on a first event hey? Unfortunately there was a TV crew which filmed the night who portrayed the night, very different to how it actually went.

A gentlemen tripped up on the steps and cut his head open which was a complete accident however because the doorman that helped him had blood on his shirt, it was made out to look like the night included many fights and feuds. It didn't. The only trouble was having to call the police due to music equipment going missing (by the DJ)!

My point being, that it is very easy to make assumptions about how trouble is caused and where it happens however I am sure that you can appreciate that it is very easy to judge.

After the event, I volunteered to be in charge of the Social Media Accounts for Silk Road. Admittedly I had to respond to many complaints on a daily basis, however the complaints were from customers that were turned away for being too drunk 'however apparently they weren't!'

The main purpose of my message is that I really suggest you research more into the safe environment at Silk Road, however understand that trouble does happen sometimes wherever the event. Out of all of the venues in Colchester, hands down, Silk Road is the safest venue in Colchester. The staff are loyal, professional and safe and the door staff are very professional. At many venues the owner steps into the club once a week to check on the takings, whereas Ozzie is there all hours, ensuring a safe environment for his customers. I guarantee if you close down Silk Road early, trouble on Queen Street will still occur. It's 'Kebab Alley' it's where people end up to get food before they go home. Could I suggest that you spend more time on focusing on the early venues that allow binging at a next to nothing prices.
Sorry Carla have I have had first hand experience of dealing with Door staff at this venue on plenty of occasions in a sober professional role and "Very Professional Door staff " is not something that has come across to me and perhaps because of this is a large part of the reason for this review.

Unprofessional conduct not becoming of their training or licence conditions?
[quote][p][bold]Carla Beard[/bold] wrote: I am writing with regards to the proposed early closure of Silk Road. As a previous license holder I can appreciate the safety of the public. I previously managed 2 Colchester Town Centre pubs and regularly attended pub watch meetings to ensure that I was aware of the rules and regulations as well as keeping up to date with what is going on in Colchester. I left the hospitality industry 4 years ago to progress into a marketing career, however last year I got the itch and missed the customer interaction so I decided to plan for an event. As it was my first event launch I wanted to ensure that I chose my venue carefully, which therefore led me on to choosing Silk Road. I don't really get drunk myself as I don't like the effects it has on people and in particular the trouble that can come with it. I wanted to ensure that the venue and clientèle was most suited to my needs. Without name dropping other venues within Colchester, some of the things I have seen in some venues is probably to explicit to mention, which is why I thought long and hard on where to go. I was quite shocked with myself that I was not biased towards the previous venues that I have worked in, however after meeting Ozzie at Silk Road and understanding his work ethics I knew I had made the right decision. I am out most weekends and used to try a different venue for a change of scenery, however I am always drawn back to Silk Road. I am very shocked to hear that Silk Road is the 'cause of late night troubles'. My event at Silk Road was a huge success, a few sound difficulties and a few hiccups here and there (which can't be helped) but that's expected on a first event hey? Unfortunately there was a TV crew which filmed the night who portrayed the night, very different to how it actually went. A gentlemen tripped up on the steps and cut his head open which was a complete accident however because the doorman that helped him had blood on his shirt, it was made out to look like the night included many fights and feuds. It didn't. The only trouble was having to call the police due to music equipment going missing (by the DJ)! My point being, that it is very easy to make assumptions about how trouble is caused and where it happens however I am sure that you can appreciate that it is very easy to judge. After the event, I volunteered to be in charge of the Social Media Accounts for Silk Road. Admittedly I had to respond to many complaints on a daily basis, however the complaints were from customers that were turned away for being too drunk 'however apparently they weren't!' The main purpose of my message is that I really suggest you research more into the safe environment at Silk Road, however understand that trouble does happen sometimes wherever the event. Out of all of the venues in Colchester, hands down, Silk Road is the safest venue in Colchester. The staff are loyal, professional and safe and the door staff are very professional. At many venues the owner steps into the club once a week to check on the takings, whereas Ozzie is there all hours, ensuring a safe environment for his customers. I guarantee if you close down Silk Road early, trouble on Queen Street will still occur. It's 'Kebab Alley' it's where people end up to get food before they go home. Could I suggest that you spend more time on focusing on the early venues that allow binging at a next to nothing prices.[/p][/quote]Sorry Carla have I have had first hand experience of dealing with Door staff at this venue on plenty of occasions in a sober professional role and "Very Professional Door staff " is not something that has come across to me and perhaps because of this is a large part of the reason for this review. Unprofessional conduct not becoming of their training or licence conditions? mirokou

10:00am Wed 19 Feb 14

totallyfootball says...

I agree with a lot of the above, the common cause is the alcohol and if you cannot sell it responsibly and control your clientele then take the perils that come with it. I personally have nothing against the owner apart from his sheer arrogance that will be his down ]fall in the long run. Being interested in profit rather than the safety of those in the town will have a inevitable outcome, past history says once you are in the sights of the police you will be there for a long time! I stopped drinking in Colchester town centre 10 years ago and will never go back!
I agree with a lot of the above, the common cause is the alcohol and if you cannot sell it responsibly and control your clientele then take the perils that come with it. I personally have nothing against the owner apart from his sheer arrogance that will be his down ]fall in the long run. Being interested in profit rather than the safety of those in the town will have a inevitable outcome, past history says once you are in the sights of the police you will be there for a long time! I stopped drinking in Colchester town centre 10 years ago and will never go back! totallyfootball

10:22am Wed 19 Feb 14

greenbroker says...

totallyfootball places still exist where one can have a drink just off the town centre. The places you refer to are not 'locals', so there's no respect. They are just drinking holes.
totallyfootball places still exist where one can have a drink just off the town centre. The places you refer to are not 'locals', so there's no respect. They are just drinking holes. greenbroker

10:24am Wed 19 Feb 14

Ritchie_Hicks says...

greenbroker wrote:
totallyfootball places still exist where one can have a drink just off the town centre. The places you refer to are not 'locals', so there's no respect. They are just drinking holes.
But why bother having to walk through all the crap to get to the places just off from the town "holes" - when there are plenty of decent pubs away from the trouble?
[quote][p][bold]greenbroker[/bold] wrote: totallyfootball places still exist where one can have a drink just off the town centre. The places you refer to are not 'locals', so there's no respect. They are just drinking holes.[/p][/quote]But why bother having to walk through all the crap to get to the places just off from the town "holes" - when there are plenty of decent pubs away from the trouble? Ritchie_Hicks

10:44am Wed 19 Feb 14

greenbroker says...

I tend to drink where it's reasonably safe. Certainly not where I have to queue up and very rarely anywhere where there are bouncers.
I tend to drink where it's reasonably safe. Certainly not where I have to queue up and very rarely anywhere where there are bouncers. greenbroker

10:53am Wed 19 Feb 14

totallyfootball says...

greenbroker wrote:
I tend to drink where it's reasonably safe. Certainly not where I have to queue up and very rarely anywhere where there are bouncers.
If you have to have bouncers it says a lot not just about your clientele but you as an owner, you don't see bouncers on the doors of your rural pubs, they still sell alcohol!
[quote][p][bold]greenbroker[/bold] wrote: I tend to drink where it's reasonably safe. Certainly not where I have to queue up and very rarely anywhere where there are bouncers.[/p][/quote]If you have to have bouncers it says a lot not just about your clientele but you as an owner, you don't see bouncers on the doors of your rural pubs, they still sell alcohol! totallyfootball

11:48am Wed 19 Feb 14

romantic says...

totallyfootball wrote:
greenbroker wrote:
I tend to drink where it's reasonably safe. Certainly not where I have to queue up and very rarely anywhere where there are bouncers.
If you have to have bouncers it says a lot not just about your clientele but you as an owner, you don't see bouncers on the doors of your rural pubs, they still sell alcohol!
Sadly, bouncers do seem to be required on the door of a lot of places, and I have a feeling that they may be a condition of the licence for many places. There are few places in town which do not have people on the door. The Castle seems to be self-policing, and they rarely get trouble. Places like the Oddie and Hospital Arms are pretty much self-policing, but they're off the main central bit and shut by 12.

The thing at a rural pub, and a proper local pub (they do still exist close to town) is that the landlord/lady and barstaff will know most of the people who come in. In the rare event of trouble from people who have drifted in, it can be dealt with swiftly. At my local pub, we have had perhaps 3 incidents in several years, none of which has ever involved needing police, bouncers etc. But that's a local, whereas places like Silk Road are there for a different clientele. I am happy for Silk Road to exist, because it keeps the idiots out of the places I go to! The recent TV program greatly exaggerated the problems in Queen St, but it can be a tense place at 3 am. I've walked through it at that time and always felt there's a definite edge in the air, and sadly assaults have happened recently. I would agree with others that having a visible police presence there at the known times for trouble would prevent a lot kicking off. Rather than responding to trouble, be there to quite often stop it happening in the first place.
[quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenbroker[/bold] wrote: I tend to drink where it's reasonably safe. Certainly not where I have to queue up and very rarely anywhere where there are bouncers.[/p][/quote]If you have to have bouncers it says a lot not just about your clientele but you as an owner, you don't see bouncers on the doors of your rural pubs, they still sell alcohol![/p][/quote]Sadly, bouncers do seem to be required on the door of a lot of places, and I have a feeling that they may be a condition of the licence for many places. There are few places in town which do not have people on the door. The Castle seems to be self-policing, and they rarely get trouble. Places like the Oddie and Hospital Arms are pretty much self-policing, but they're off the main central bit and shut by 12. The thing at a rural pub, and a proper local pub (they do still exist close to town) is that the landlord/lady and barstaff will know most of the people who come in. In the rare event of trouble from people who have drifted in, it can be dealt with swiftly. At my local pub, we have had perhaps 3 incidents in several years, none of which has ever involved needing police, bouncers etc. But that's a local, whereas places like Silk Road are there for a different clientele. I am happy for Silk Road to exist, because it keeps the idiots out of the places I go to! The recent TV program greatly exaggerated the problems in Queen St, but it can be a tense place at 3 am. I've walked through it at that time and always felt there's a definite edge in the air, and sadly assaults have happened recently. I would agree with others that having a visible police presence there at the known times for trouble would prevent a lot kicking off. Rather than responding to trouble, be there to quite often stop it happening in the first place. romantic

12:45pm Wed 19 Feb 14

What you talking about says...

As always people having a go at the police for not being there to pick up the pieces of people who cannot enjoy a night out without fighting. Have you read the newspapers or watched TV? The police are in major cutbacks and the days of the town centres being flooded by the law walking the streets is long gone. There numbers are boosted by specials at the weekend, and bear in mind these people also have daytime jobs, this cannot be done every weekend. I have seen the good nights in Colchester where there has been a very good atmosphere and as already mentioned people feel safe and have fun. Again these days are now few and far between, and if clubs want to remain open after midnight then maybe they should "hire" police officers or at least subsidise them so the good old days of them walking the street can comeback.
Better still reduce opening times and make the pubs close at 1030pm and clubs and midnight.
As always people having a go at the police for not being there to pick up the pieces of people who cannot enjoy a night out without fighting. Have you read the newspapers or watched TV? The police are in major cutbacks and the days of the town centres being flooded by the law walking the streets is long gone. There numbers are boosted by specials at the weekend, and bear in mind these people also have daytime jobs, this cannot be done every weekend. I have seen the good nights in Colchester where there has been a very good atmosphere and as already mentioned people feel safe and have fun. Again these days are now few and far between, and if clubs want to remain open after midnight then maybe they should "hire" police officers or at least subsidise them so the good old days of them walking the street can comeback. Better still reduce opening times and make the pubs close at 1030pm and clubs and midnight. What you talking about

1:29pm Wed 19 Feb 14

greenbroker says...

What you talking about I agree with you in general, but 10.30 is a bit early at the weekend. 11pm during the week and 12pm at weekends for pubs and 1.30am for clubs maybe. Football clubs have to pay for police, why not some late night bars? ......But then it starts to get too complex.
What you talking about I agree with you in general, but 10.30 is a bit early at the weekend. 11pm during the week and 12pm at weekends for pubs and 1.30am for clubs maybe. Football clubs have to pay for police, why not some late night bars? ......But then it starts to get too complex. greenbroker

1:41pm Wed 19 Feb 14

totallyfootball says...

What you talking about wrote:
As always people having a go at the police for not being there to pick up the pieces of people who cannot enjoy a night out without fighting. Have you read the newspapers or watched TV? The police are in major cutbacks and the days of the town centres being flooded by the law walking the streets is long gone. There numbers are boosted by specials at the weekend, and bear in mind these people also have daytime jobs, this cannot be done every weekend. I have seen the good nights in Colchester where there has been a very good atmosphere and as already mentioned people feel safe and have fun. Again these days are now few and far between, and if clubs want to remain open after midnight then maybe they should "hire" police officers or at least subsidise them so the good old days of them walking the street can comeback.
Better still reduce opening times and make the pubs close at 1030pm and clubs and midnight.
The police were non existent before the cutbacks and if they got rid of the permanent sickies instead of the proper cops they would have enough!
[quote][p][bold]What you talking about[/bold] wrote: As always people having a go at the police for not being there to pick up the pieces of people who cannot enjoy a night out without fighting. Have you read the newspapers or watched TV? The police are in major cutbacks and the days of the town centres being flooded by the law walking the streets is long gone. There numbers are boosted by specials at the weekend, and bear in mind these people also have daytime jobs, this cannot be done every weekend. I have seen the good nights in Colchester where there has been a very good atmosphere and as already mentioned people feel safe and have fun. Again these days are now few and far between, and if clubs want to remain open after midnight then maybe they should "hire" police officers or at least subsidise them so the good old days of them walking the street can comeback. Better still reduce opening times and make the pubs close at 1030pm and clubs and midnight.[/p][/quote]The police were non existent before the cutbacks and if they got rid of the permanent sickies instead of the proper cops they would have enough! totallyfootball

1:50pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Scoot says...

I assume that the owners and staff shown in the recent TV prog had some input as to how their establishment was portrayed. If so I would be nervous as to whether or not I was going to have my licence withdrawn. For example pointing fingers at Clacton clubs for having drugs problems - yes drugs were found in Clacton because the door staff frisked the punters at the entrance. Did we see that going on at Silk Road ? NO ! Young women hardly able to stand upright because they are drunk batting eyelids at door staff were welcomed with 'open arms' rather than told that they were too drunk. Fights breaking out inside (maybe someone slipping and connecting with someones fist) and then both parties being thrown out into a side alley to carry on rather than being split up and one being thrown out the side door and one out of the front door. So often we hear of 'video evidence' being used, well the evidence of how badly operated Silk Road is was clearly shown to the nation.
I assume that the owners and staff shown in the recent TV prog had some input as to how their establishment was portrayed. If so I would be nervous as to whether or not I was going to have my licence withdrawn. For example pointing fingers at Clacton clubs for having drugs problems - yes drugs were found in Clacton because the door staff frisked the punters at the entrance. Did we see that going on at Silk Road ? NO ! Young women hardly able to stand upright because they are drunk batting eyelids at door staff were welcomed with 'open arms' rather than told that they were too drunk. Fights breaking out inside (maybe someone slipping and connecting with someones fist) and then both parties being thrown out into a side alley to carry on rather than being split up and one being thrown out the side door and one out of the front door. So often we hear of 'video evidence' being used, well the evidence of how badly operated Silk Road is was clearly shown to the nation. Scoot

2:43pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Anon555555 says...

i think if there is nothing to hide or being concerned about then Silk road has nothing to be worried out.
I think there is blame to be made in a few places.
But end of the day if the bar staff were more viligant on who they serve alcohol too (its illegal to sell to anyone seen as 'drunk) door staff do full ID/Bag/Drug checks and regular rountine toilet/dancefloor checks then the problems may be minimised.
I dont think Silk Road have been pro active in stopping/preventing the trouble & issues in Queen Street, even if the 'venue' itself isnt the root cause of the problems.
i think if there is nothing to hide or being concerned about then Silk road has nothing to be worried out. I think there is blame to be made in a few places. But end of the day if the bar staff were more viligant on who they serve alcohol too (its illegal to sell to anyone seen as 'drunk) door staff do full ID/Bag/Drug checks and regular rountine toilet/dancefloor checks then the problems may be minimised. I dont think Silk Road have been pro active in stopping/preventing the trouble & issues in Queen Street, even if the 'venue' itself isnt the root cause of the problems. Anon555555

3:48pm Wed 19 Feb 14

greenbroker says...

From today's East Anglian Daily Times

'Police are appealing for witnesses after a man in his 20s was assaulted at Southern Fried Chicken in St Botolphs Street at around 3am on February 13.

He was bitten on the left side of his face near his jawline by another man, sustaining an open wound which required hospital treatment.'
From today's East Anglian Daily Times 'Police are appealing for witnesses after a man in his 20s was assaulted at Southern Fried Chicken in St Botolphs Street at around 3am on February 13. He was bitten on the left side of his face near his jawline by another man, sustaining an open wound which required hospital treatment.' greenbroker

6:20pm Wed 19 Feb 14

co2 says...

If footage from the bouncers tv show featuring silk road is shown to the magistrates its hardly likely they will keep their current license,people pumped up looking for agro after being in there,others struggling to stand up,door staff inflaming situations with passers by,if the magistrates see this they will have no choice but to revoke the license.
If footage from the bouncers tv show featuring silk road is shown to the magistrates its hardly likely they will keep their current license,people pumped up looking for agro after being in there,others struggling to stand up,door staff inflaming situations with passers by,if the magistrates see this they will have no choice but to revoke the license. co2

6:24pm Wed 19 Feb 14

greenbroker says...

How come there's very little trouble at beer festivals? It's because the drinkers are sensible who know their limits, plus other factors.
How come there's very little trouble at beer festivals? It's because the drinkers are sensible who know their limits, plus other factors. greenbroker

9:11pm Wed 19 Feb 14

angryman!!! says...

And beer festivals tend not to have more coke than the annoying Christmas lorry from the advert. Also they don't have bouncers who need to tell anyone listening (or not) how 'ard" they are.
And beer festivals tend not to have more coke than the annoying Christmas lorry from the advert. Also they don't have bouncers who need to tell anyone listening (or not) how 'ard" they are. angryman!!!

9:15pm Wed 19 Feb 14

greenbroker says...

angryman!!! No beer festivals don't have that sugary stuff in funny shaped bottles. They have proper drink, sourced locally.
angryman!!! No beer festivals don't have that sugary stuff in funny shaped bottles. They have proper drink, sourced locally. greenbroker

4:39am Thu 20 Feb 14

wormshero says...

greenbroker wrote:
How come there's very little trouble at beer festivals? It's because the drinkers are sensible who know their limits, plus other factors.
I don't know, I was at the winter one a few weeks ago for only a few hours and saw multiple drunks being removed by security in that time. I mean, obviously that's better than the clubs that'd likely let them stay and drink more, but it's not true all beer festival patrons are sensible.
[quote][p][bold]greenbroker[/bold] wrote: How come there's very little trouble at beer festivals? It's because the drinkers are sensible who know their limits, plus other factors.[/p][/quote]I don't know, I was at the winter one a few weeks ago for only a few hours and saw multiple drunks being removed by security in that time. I mean, obviously that's better than the clubs that'd likely let them stay and drink more, but it's not true all beer festival patrons are sensible. wormshero

9:20pm Fri 21 Feb 14

colchester300yrs says...

Beer festivals are patronised by mature adults, usually who are also employed and therefore have a sense of responsibility. They are also relatively unfashionable.

The premises on St Botolph's street in question, plus it's neighbours are no more than breeding grounds for adolescent unemployed and unqualified alcoholics with no more to do than get utterly intoxicated and damage peoples property on the way home.

Beer festivals may carry on. All night premises that sell alcoholic cherryade to kiddies may not. Shut the lot down and let the town centre be a ten centre once again.

Shut the lot down and get their yobbo clientele into jobs.
Beer festivals are patronised by mature adults, usually who are also employed and therefore have a sense of responsibility. They are also relatively unfashionable. The premises on St Botolph's street in question, plus it's neighbours are no more than breeding grounds for adolescent unemployed and unqualified alcoholics with no more to do than get utterly intoxicated and damage peoples property on the way home. Beer festivals may carry on. All night premises that sell alcoholic cherryade to kiddies may not. Shut the lot down and let the town centre be a ten centre once again. Shut the lot down and get their yobbo clientele into jobs. colchester300yrs

11:47am Sun 23 Feb 14

A Very Private Gentleman says...

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I am lying in bed LATE on a sunday along side my beautiful wife drinking fabulous nespresso Geroge Clooney coffee and I read an article link posted above about idiot Trolls who have forced this gorgeous TV Star to kill herself after the poor woman has been suffering depression for years.
It very much reminds me of ""some"" ""not all"" but some of the utter complete idiots and thickoes on this thread and site who post.
Ive owned property in the lower end of Mersea Road since 1960.
This area of town has always been deprived.
Someone WILL eventually get killed at this place.
Now let me remind you all and wake you up a little on a sunday!!!!
Anyone remember the L.A. Club at the bottom end of Military Road where the old Groom & Daniels wood yard used to be.
A soldier there some years ago was kicked to death in a frenzied attack, after some boozed up, slapper fest punch up in the car park, involving loads of wannabe Colchester hard-men and hoodlums.
Friends of mine where there and not all involved, were brought to book or convicted.
It is not just the Silk Road or St Botolphs, while Senior Officer Phillibrown has been hailing record crime drops over december what else has been going on???
When the system states drops in crime in operation Santa's elves or Christmas cracker what does it mean??
Reductions in shoplifting or reductions in getting your teeth punched down your throat???
Another question I would like t ask???
Where is all this money coming from, that is being used for redevelopment of wine bars, clubs and hotels in the area???
I do not notice one local face among the owners???
Colchester Council needs to prevent tradegy and do it now!!!
**** this place down at 2315hrs every night without question, like the old working men's clubs.
Never mind the present, remember the past.
PS. I have asked the gazette to put a red two fingered Winston Churchill symbol next door to the thumbs up and down symbols, preferably in red to be used by the person posting the thread only.
Anyone who thumbs down my threads on this take its "V" to you:
Jack Edward Clarke: """ V """"
http://www.gazette-n ews.co.uk/leisure/sh owbiz/11030396.Austr alian_TV_star_found_ dead/?ref=asnsp I am lying in bed LATE on a sunday along side my beautiful wife drinking fabulous nespresso Geroge Clooney coffee and I read an article link posted above about idiot Trolls who have forced this gorgeous TV Star to kill herself after the poor woman has been suffering depression for years. It very much reminds me of ""some"" ""not all"" but some of the utter complete idiots and thickoes on this thread and site who post. Ive owned property in the lower end of Mersea Road since 1960. This area of town has always been deprived. Someone WILL eventually get killed at this place. Now let me remind you all and wake you up a little on a sunday!!!! Anyone remember the L.A. Club at the bottom end of Military Road where the old Groom & Daniels wood yard used to be. A soldier there some years ago was kicked to death in a frenzied attack, after some boozed up, slapper fest punch up in the car park, involving loads of wannabe Colchester hard-men and hoodlums. Friends of mine where there and not all involved, were brought to book or convicted. It is not just the Silk Road or St Botolphs, while Senior Officer Phillibrown has been hailing record crime drops over december what else has been going on??? When the system states drops in crime in operation Santa's elves or Christmas cracker what does it mean?? Reductions in shoplifting or reductions in getting your teeth punched down your throat??? Another question I would like t ask??? Where is all this money coming from, that is being used for redevelopment of wine bars, clubs and hotels in the area??? I do not notice one local face among the owners??? Colchester Council needs to prevent tradegy and do it now!!! **** this place down at 2315hrs every night without question, like the old working men's clubs. Never mind the present, remember the past. PS. I have asked the gazette to put a red two fingered Winston Churchill symbol next door to the thumbs up and down symbols, preferably in red to be used by the person posting the thread only. Anyone who thumbs down my threads on this take its "V" to you: Jack Edward Clarke: """ V """" A Very Private Gentleman

10:21am Mon 24 Feb 14

A Very Private Gentleman says...

CLOSE this place down at 2315hrs every night without question, like the old working men's clubs.
CLOSE this place down at 2315hrs every night without question, like the old working men's clubs. A Very Private Gentleman

3:54pm Mon 24 Feb 14

greenbroker says...

Is The Silk Road named after a drug website site Silk Road that the FBI shut down in 2013?
Is The Silk Road named after a drug website site Silk Road that the FBI shut down in 2013? greenbroker

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