Disabled campaigners lose High Street car ban legal battle

Gazette: Disabled campaigners lose High Street car ban legal battle Disabled campaigners lose High Street car ban legal battle

A LEGAL challenge against restrictions which stopped disabled people parking on Colchester High Street has been blocked by a judge.

Last year Jade Hamnett of Fair Access 2 Colchester instructed Unity Law to commence statutory review proceedings against Essex County Council after Blue Badge holders were blocked from using spaces between 11am and 6pm.

Although the restrictions, part of the trial High Street car ban, were abandoned after a month, campaigners proceeded with the application amid fears they could return in the future.

At a hearing last month, the evidence of 24 disabled residents was submitted as part of a claim that their human rights were being breached because they could no longer shop in the town centre.

This morning, a judge at the Administrative Court in London found in Essex County Council’s favour, although he gave campaigners a right to appeal.

See Friday's Gazette for the full story.

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1:24pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

This decision is the right one. It's not as if ECC were planning to remove all access for the disabled to the town centre.

What is really needed is a proper review into who is entitled to a blue badge, making those with physical disabilities a clear priority and taking the badge away from the vast majority who just use it to save on parking charges because we regularly see badge holders park and then they stroll around town for hours, so do these people really need disabled parking?
This decision is the right one. It's not as if ECC were planning to remove all access for the disabled to the town centre. What is really needed is a proper review into who is entitled to a blue badge, making those with physical disabilities a clear priority and taking the badge away from the vast majority who just use it to save on parking charges because we regularly see badge holders park and then they stroll around town for hours, so do these people really need disabled parking? Say It As It Is OK?
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1:28pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Brooks Forbutox says...

I'll dissociate myself from MYOB's sick comments but I'm glad, too. The High Street no longer has the importance it once had for the disabled, what with out-of-town superstores/retail parks, bank machines and the internet. Yes, there may be a small measure of inconvenience, but the extent of this was exaggerated by the disabled lobby. The future of the town centre -- and its air quality -- was held to ransom by a few who wanted to make a point of principle. Look forward a reading the full report ... and to a bus/bike-only High Street.
I'll dissociate myself from MYOB's sick comments but I'm glad, too. The High Street no longer has the importance it once had for the disabled, what with out-of-town superstores/retail parks, bank machines and the internet. Yes, there may be a small measure of inconvenience, but the extent of this was exaggerated by the disabled lobby. The future of the town centre -- and its air quality -- was held to ransom by a few who wanted to make a point of principle. Look forward a reading the full report ... and to a bus/bike-only High Street. Brooks Forbutox
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1:45pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Scoot says...

Well well well here we go with the uncaring pretentious prigs of Colchester again. I would just like to see those against thisability to park on the High St, having their legs gaffer taped together, given a wheelchair and told, Ok - go to M&S or other places on the High St but you are not allowed to park there. Then of course there are some people registered disabled who look physically fit at first but can only walk a few yards before they become short of breath.
However, there are some that abuse the system and perhaps CBC should set up a line where those abusing the blue badge system (mostly relatives) can be reported. That then could release disabled bays for those that need them rather than in some places the disabled parking in parent and child bays (I didn't realise lack of patience - i.e not waiting for a disabled bay to become free, was a disability as well) .
Well well well here we go with the uncaring pretentious prigs of Colchester again. I would just like to see those against thisability to park on the High St, having their legs gaffer taped together, given a wheelchair and told, Ok - go to M&S or other places on the High St but you are not allowed to park there. Then of course there are some people registered disabled who look physically fit at first but can only walk a few yards before they become short of breath. However, there are some that abuse the system and perhaps CBC should set up a line where those abusing the blue badge system (mostly relatives) can be reported. That then could release disabled bays for those that need them rather than in some places the disabled parking in parent and child bays (I didn't realise lack of patience - i.e not waiting for a disabled bay to become free, was a disability as well) . Scoot
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2:07pm Thu 13 Feb 14

cynicalsubber says...

Sorry, Scoot, but given that the whole of the top floor of the Nunn's Road car park is earmarked for the disabled, with easy access to the High Street from there, I don't see how not being able to park in the High Street itself is any big deal.
Sorry, Scoot, but given that the whole of the top floor of the Nunn's Road car park is earmarked for the disabled, with easy access to the High Street from there, I don't see how not being able to park in the High Street itself is any big deal. cynicalsubber
  • Score: 21

3:03pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Scoot says...

cynical - lets see you get from the car park to M&S and back again on your own in a wheel chair...... If you can do it then I stand corrected. Then what about those that can only walk a few feet before losing their breath or heart goes into arrythmia, suppose you think there should be paramedics every few feet.. I am not disabled myself but have many years of experience helping people with all sorts of disabilities. Yes if someone has a disability and has someone to help them the top floor of Nunns road is a solution, but there are many disabled people out there who don't want to reply on others and want their independence.
cynical - lets see you get from the car park to M&S and back again on your own in a wheel chair...... If you can do it then I stand corrected. Then what about those that can only walk a few feet before losing their breath or heart goes into arrythmia, suppose you think there should be paramedics every few feet.. I am not disabled myself but have many years of experience helping people with all sorts of disabilities. Yes if someone has a disability and has someone to help them the top floor of Nunns road is a solution, but there are many disabled people out there who don't want to reply on others and want their independence. Scoot
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7:34pm Thu 13 Feb 14

cynicalsubber says...

Again, sorry, Scoot, but my mother-in-law has a blue badge and can walk about 50 yards under her own steam. Before he died, my dad could walk less than that - emphysema. I don't lack compassion for the disabled, but I don't see how the allowances that are made are not enough. The fact is that none of us has a free pass.
Again, sorry, Scoot, but my mother-in-law has a blue badge and can walk about 50 yards under her own steam. Before he died, my dad could walk less than that - emphysema. I don't lack compassion for the disabled, but I don't see how the allowances that are made are not enough. The fact is that none of us has a free pass. cynicalsubber
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8:30pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Assimilation says...

Scoot wrote:
cynical - lets see you get from the car park to M&S and back again on your own in a wheel chair...... If you can do it then I stand corrected. Then what about those that can only walk a few feet before losing their breath or heart goes into arrythmia, suppose you think there should be paramedics every few feet.. I am not disabled myself but have many years of experience helping people with all sorts of disabilities. Yes if someone has a disability and has someone to help them the top floor of Nunns road is a solution, but there are many disabled people out there who don't want to reply on others and want their independence.
Scoot says...

" but there are many disabled people out there who don't want to reply on others and want their independence" and

"That then could release disabled bays for those that need them rather than in some places the disabled parking in parent and child bays"

You have hit the nail on the head with two of your quotes.... The first one is always said by blue badge holders until it does not go their way, then it`s look at poor me.(best of both worlds)

On the second quote...If a blue badge holder parks in any other parking space, parent and child or normal, displaying their badge, can they then be issued with a parking ticket/fine for parking in the wrong place?
[quote][p][bold]Scoot[/bold] wrote: cynical - lets see you get from the car park to M&S and back again on your own in a wheel chair...... If you can do it then I stand corrected. Then what about those that can only walk a few feet before losing their breath or heart goes into arrythmia, suppose you think there should be paramedics every few feet.. I am not disabled myself but have many years of experience helping people with all sorts of disabilities. Yes if someone has a disability and has someone to help them the top floor of Nunns road is a solution, but there are many disabled people out there who don't want to reply on others and want their independence.[/p][/quote]Scoot says... " but there are many disabled people out there who don't want to reply on others and want their independence" and "That then could release disabled bays for those that need them rather than in some places the disabled parking in parent and child bays" You have hit the nail on the head with two of your quotes.... The first one is always said by blue badge holders until it does not go their way, then it`s look at poor me.(best of both worlds) On the second quote...If a blue badge holder parks in any other parking space, parent and child or normal, displaying their badge, can they then be issued with a parking ticket/fine for parking in the wrong place? Assimilation
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11:18pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Assimilation says...

stevedawson wrote:
Are these serious comments on here.surely not.cant believe the vitriol against the disabled.
I think that you will find they are, like I said people are sick to the back teeth of these minority groups shouting discrimination all the time to get what THEY want, give me more, more and even more, then along comes people who hold the discrimination, hatred or troll card up. I thought in this Country it was majority rules, not looses. I would also like to point out, I am not a troll or a hater I am just putting a point of view over like I think one is allowed too, or, is one not ?
[quote][p][bold]stevedawson[/bold] wrote: Are these serious comments on here.surely not.cant believe the vitriol against the disabled.[/p][/quote]I think that you will find they are, like I said people are sick to the back teeth of these minority groups shouting discrimination all the time to get what THEY want, give me more, more and even more, then along comes people who hold the discrimination, hatred or troll card up. I thought in this Country it was majority rules, not looses. I would also like to point out, I am not a troll or a hater I am just putting a point of view over like I think one is allowed too, or, is one not ? Assimilation
  • Score: -13

3:08am Fri 14 Feb 14

mirokou says...

At the moment the only argument i heard is have you tried to shop at M&S…Sorry agree with the majority ,ample parking for all including disabled and why should you get it free…Park in the High Street spend all morning shopping an walk back to your car…There are a few and i mean a few that are deserving of proper allocation due to severe disabilities but it should not be a free reign to park anywhere and also be free..Disabled badge in a Jaguar XF…Pay like the rest.what a pkiss take
At the moment the only argument i heard is have you tried to shop at M&S…Sorry agree with the majority ,ample parking for all including disabled and why should you get it free…Park in the High Street spend all morning shopping an walk back to your car…There are a few and i mean a few that are deserving of proper allocation due to severe disabilities but it should not be a free reign to park anywhere and also be free..Disabled badge in a Jaguar XF…Pay like the rest.what a pkiss take mirokou
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8:20am Fri 14 Feb 14

rhetoric says...

Like many other posters, I can't believe what I see.

Just try, then, to be a carer who wants their relative or dependent other to have an opportunity to visit stores, have as "normal" a life as possible under the terrible circumstance of severe disability.

It's not only the disabled who suffer from the vitriol poured out by the ignorant and uncaring, it's their carers, who in turn will become the cared-for of the future if they are pushed to the limit.

Pushing a wheelchair, for example, is not a piece of cake. One's shoulders tend to get very sore within a short time. You moaners just try pushing one up North Hill, fighting the camber on the pathway and the extreme slope of the Hill. Not funny for a 70 year old.

As to the dreadful comments about the disabled being "whiners", I have yet to meet one such. It is usually their carers who speak out for them, and for their own needs. We could all walk away from the situation, let the badly disabled go to "care" homes and lose all that makes life worth living. Mostly we don't. We slog on, with no freedom to go anywhere or do anything, 24/7. I have lost my cared-for. I would gladly work myself into the ground to have that cared-for back with me.

For most of us, there are no "miracle" benefits. We have to pay for many of our disabled aids unless we are among those who have nothing in the way of cash at all, for whatever reason. The most important things like motorised wheelchairs I think you will find are not handed out like sweets.

Yes, there are a few relatives who shamelessly use the disabled parking badge to do their own shopping. They are the scum of the earth and deserve punishment. There are scroungers and dodgers in every part and every walk of life, but you don't label the rest of the community along with them.

Some of you posters need to get on with your lives and be grateful you don't need help to get about. Your posts smack of nasty, envious natures.
Like many other posters, I can't believe what I see. Just try, then, to be a carer who wants their relative or dependent other to have an opportunity to visit stores, have as "normal" a life as possible under the terrible circumstance of severe disability. It's not only the disabled who suffer from the vitriol poured out by the ignorant and uncaring, it's their carers, who in turn will become the cared-for of the future if they are pushed to the limit. Pushing a wheelchair, for example, is not a piece of cake. One's shoulders tend to get very sore within a short time. You moaners just try pushing one up North Hill, fighting the camber on the pathway and the extreme slope of the Hill. Not funny for a 70 year old. As to the dreadful comments about the disabled being "whiners", I have yet to meet one such. It is usually their carers who speak out for them, and for their own needs. We could all walk away from the situation, let the badly disabled go to "care" homes and lose all that makes life worth living. Mostly we don't. We slog on, with no freedom to go anywhere or do anything, 24/7. I have lost my cared-for. I would gladly work myself into the ground to have that cared-for back with me. For most of us, there are no "miracle" benefits. We have to pay for many of our disabled aids unless we are among those who have nothing in the way of cash at all, for whatever reason. The most important things like motorised wheelchairs I think you will find are not handed out like sweets. Yes, there are a few relatives who shamelessly use the disabled parking badge to do their own shopping. They are the scum of the earth and deserve punishment. There are scroungers and dodgers in every part and every walk of life, but you don't label the rest of the community along with them. Some of you posters need to get on with your lives and be grateful you don't need help to get about. Your posts smack of nasty, envious natures. rhetoric
  • Score: 10

11:14am Fri 14 Feb 14

Jess Jephcott says...

Just how much did this little exercise cost the tax payer I wonder? For sure it was done with legal aid? But on the point of the disabled's God given right to park in the High Street, I am pleased that this has been clarified. I too see the abuse of the system. But the only real reason I see to ban the disabled from parking in the High Street would be if there were to be a total ban on all traffic, buses and all. One can only hope for such a situation.
Just how much did this little exercise cost the tax payer I wonder? For sure it was done with legal aid? But on the point of the disabled's God given right to park in the High Street, I am pleased that this has been clarified. I too see the abuse of the system. But the only real reason I see to ban the disabled from parking in the High Street would be if there were to be a total ban on all traffic, buses and all. One can only hope for such a situation. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: -2

2:36pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Hamiltonandy says...

You may remember Colchester Council refused to permit a charitable mobility scooter service at the old bus station when it was open. An arrogant councillor said there was no room. No permission at the new bus station either. A previous service from Shopmobility ended there when Colchester Council evicted them to St Marys car park - not exactly central!
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If mobility scooters were more accessible for disabled users then perhaps fewer would need to be close to the shop they want to visit. As an owner of a converted car I can park in Priory street and bring out the mobility scooter for my elderly relation to self drive around the shops. However not everyone can afford cars and a mobility scooter next to the bus stop would help many. No one else but Colchester councillors are responsible for the uncaring treatment of the disabled.
You may remember Colchester Council refused to permit a charitable mobility scooter service at the old bus station when it was open. An arrogant councillor said there was no room. No permission at the new bus station either. A previous service from Shopmobility ended there when Colchester Council evicted them to St Marys car park - not exactly central! . If mobility scooters were more accessible for disabled users then perhaps fewer would need to be close to the shop they want to visit. As an owner of a converted car I can park in Priory street and bring out the mobility scooter for my elderly relation to self drive around the shops. However not everyone can afford cars and a mobility scooter next to the bus stop would help many. No one else but Colchester councillors are responsible for the uncaring treatment of the disabled. Hamiltonandy
  • Score: 7

2:41pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Reginald47 says...

No matter what people think the High Court has given a ruling and it's not discrimnination so that's that.
No matter what people think the High Court has given a ruling and it's not discrimnination so that's that. Reginald47
  • Score: -8

3:47pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Assimilation says...

rhetoric says..."As to the dreadful comments about the disabled being "whiners", I have yet to meet one"
Might I suggest you look at the person in the picture!
rhetoric says..."As to the dreadful comments about the disabled being "whiners", I have yet to meet one" Might I suggest you look at the person in the picture! Assimilation
  • Score: -10

5:13pm Fri 14 Feb 14

stevedawson says...

Do we know the names of those who in our names caused this to go to high court.l think we should be told.
Do we know the names of those who in our names caused this to go to high court.l think we should be told. stevedawson
  • Score: -5

5:37pm Fri 14 Feb 14

pixiebell87 says...

stevedawson wrote:
Do we know the names of those who in our names caused this to go to high court.l think we should be told.
why should we be told their names?
[quote][p][bold]stevedawson[/bold] wrote: Do we know the names of those who in our names caused this to go to high court.l think we should be told.[/p][/quote]why should we be told their names? pixiebell87
  • Score: 2

6:13pm Fri 14 Feb 14

redcurls says...

Once again, most of you have only read the attention grabbing headline and drawn your own conclusion. From what I have read of the case, they weren't saying they had to park on the High Street only, but they were requesting equivalent spaces for those that were being removed. So Culver Street West was apparently one suggestion, Monday to Thursday (recognising that the market could continue on Fridays and Saturdays) which was a compromise. In total 15 suggestions were put forward to CBC but all were rejected with no reason given. It was never about free parking, parking on the High Street or Human Rights as the paper has stated. Someone said the disabled can go to out of town retail parks, but the point is, why should they? And still the issue of fraudulent use of the Blue Badge rumbles on by the same boring people. Remember this, the person who uses a badge fraudulently is able bodied, so therefore it is NOT disabled people who are the frauds.
Once again, most of you have only read the attention grabbing headline and drawn your own conclusion. From what I have read of the case, they weren't saying they had to park on the High Street only, but they were requesting equivalent spaces for those that were being removed. So Culver Street West was apparently one suggestion, Monday to Thursday (recognising that the market could continue on Fridays and Saturdays) which was a compromise. In total 15 suggestions were put forward to CBC but all were rejected with no reason given. It was never about free parking, parking on the High Street or Human Rights as the paper has stated. Someone said the disabled can go to out of town retail parks, but the point is, why should they? And still the issue of fraudulent use of the Blue Badge rumbles on by the same boring people. Remember this, the person who uses a badge fraudulently is able bodied, so therefore it is NOT disabled people who are the frauds. redcurls
  • Score: 5

8:07pm Fri 14 Feb 14

rhetoric says...

Thank you, redcurls. You have correctly summed up most of the remaining aspects of this matter.

I don't think that for most of the disabled, the free part of the parking is the most important aspect. They just need to be somewhere they can deal with their lessened mobility without being too reliant on others, or in some cases, where their carers can manage wheelchairs etc. On the other hand there are of course those who are impecunious and do need the free parking.

If it were possible to swap the so-called "handouts" and the free parking for full mobility, what do you think the disabled would do? It is, because of spiteful medieval type attitudes, demeaning and horrible to try to deal with everyday life at times. I have had a well dressed woman look down at my charge in wheelchair, and draw her lip back and sniff as if that person were something dirty! This, despite the wheelchair bound person being very well dressed and groomed. We've also had empty chip bags thrown over a teenager's shoulder and land on the disabled person in wheelchair. When politely told what they had done, it was "oh, so what?"

The commenters who rant on about what they understand as undeserved and unnecessary "privileges" are truly four hundred years behind in their thinking. I bet they'd be the first to get their "entitlements" the minute they felt they could. On the other hand, the disabled are fairly unassuming and often have to be guided to methods of making ends meet and to those who can give extra help.

Finally, it might be worth while for the ranters to check on what is entailed in claiming the disabled badge. It ain't easy! Also to claim any attendance allowance used to take a whole morning's form filling plus signatures from all and sundry, and then approval by a Govt. Dept. If you want to blame anyone for wrongly distributing this allowance, then pick on the GPs who have to validate the forms! Are you saying they are all corrupt? I understand claiming these allowances is now even harder.

Blue badges are supposed to be changed in the near future, but as I was told this a few years ago and seemingly the system hasn't changed, I must assume that the majority of Local Authorities can't be bothered. The new system would have the photograph of the disabled person on the upside shown inside the windscreen, so that a fraudulent user could be challenged, and also would be "readable" from outside the glass by traffic wardens etc. to show whether the pass was a fake or stolen. I don't and never did have a blue badge, but my cared-for did, and of course that went back to the LA immediately on death.

Blue Badge fraud is apparently now a very, very serious matter. Again, it's up to the Police and the public to sort this out on the ground. Just be sure what you're doing.
Thank you, redcurls. You have correctly summed up most of the remaining aspects of this matter. I don't think that for most of the disabled, the free part of the parking is the most important aspect. They just need to be somewhere they can deal with their lessened mobility without being too reliant on others, or in some cases, where their carers can manage wheelchairs etc. On the other hand there are of course those who are impecunious and do need the free parking. If it were possible to swap the so-called "handouts" and the free parking for full mobility, what do you think the disabled would do? It is, because of spiteful medieval type attitudes, demeaning and horrible to try to deal with everyday life at times. I have had a well dressed woman look down at my charge in wheelchair, and draw her lip back and sniff as if that person were something dirty! This, despite the wheelchair bound person being very well dressed and groomed. We've also had empty chip bags thrown over a teenager's shoulder and land on the disabled person in wheelchair. When politely told what they had done, it was "oh, so what?" The commenters who rant on about what they understand as undeserved and unnecessary "privileges" are truly four hundred years behind in their thinking. I bet they'd be the first to get their "entitlements" the minute they felt they could. On the other hand, the disabled are fairly unassuming and often have to be guided to methods of making ends meet and to those who can give extra help. Finally, it might be worth while for the ranters to check on what is entailed in claiming the disabled badge. It ain't easy! Also to claim any attendance allowance used to take a whole morning's form filling plus signatures from all and sundry, and then approval by a Govt. Dept. If you want to blame anyone for wrongly distributing this allowance, then pick on the GPs who have to validate the forms! Are you saying they are all corrupt? I understand claiming these allowances is now even harder. Blue badges are supposed to be changed in the near future, but as I was told this a few years ago and seemingly the system hasn't changed, I must assume that the majority of Local Authorities can't be bothered. The new system would have the photograph of the disabled person on the upside shown inside the windscreen, so that a fraudulent user could be challenged, and also would be "readable" from outside the glass by traffic wardens etc. to show whether the pass was a fake or stolen. I don't and never did have a blue badge, but my cared-for did, and of course that went back to the LA immediately on death. Blue Badge fraud is apparently now a very, very serious matter. Again, it's up to the Police and the public to sort this out on the ground. Just be sure what you're doing. rhetoric
  • Score: 6

10:08pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Assimilation says...

redcurls says..."Someone said the disabled can go to out of town retail parks, but the point is, why should they?"....

Why should they not, everyone else does. They are flat and wheel chair friendly.

rhetoric..... What are you rambling on about, this story is about access to park in the High Street, which does not apply now, nothing else.
redcurls says..."Someone said the disabled can go to out of town retail parks, but the point is, why should they?".... Why should they not, everyone else does. They are flat and wheel chair friendly. rhetoric..... What are you rambling on about, this story is about access to park in the High Street, which does not apply now, nothing else. Assimilation
  • Score: -1

10:47pm Fri 14 Feb 14

rhetoric says...

Assimilation, if "everyone else" goes out of town, there's really no problem with the disabled parking in the High St, is there?

Far from rambling, I am answering some of the previous posts hitting out at the disabled. I am sick to death of the silly envious rants on this thread. Do you really think the majority of the disabled would not like to be able bodied and able to work/shop etc in the "normal" way.

If others feel the thread is for picking at the less able, then it should be ok for those representing the disabled to answer the criticisms, all unfounded by the way. One gets the feeling that the "mob" on here would like to be stoning those in wheelchairs and on walking frames. What a disgusting place Colchester would be if the anti-disabled posters on here were truly representative of its population.

Please, please some of you, arrange to swap places with the disabled and "enjoy" their privileges. You will love the pain, the inability to do most of the things you used to cope with so easily, the sleepless nights, the toll on your family, and above all the spitefulness of the ignorant.
Assimilation, if "everyone else" goes out of town, there's really no problem with the disabled parking in the High St, is there? Far from rambling, I am answering some of the previous posts hitting out at the disabled. I am sick to death of the silly envious rants on this thread. Do you really think the majority of the disabled would not like to be able bodied and able to work/shop etc in the "normal" way. If others feel the thread is for picking at the less able, then it should be ok for those representing the disabled to answer the criticisms, all unfounded by the way. One gets the feeling that the "mob" on here would like to be stoning those in wheelchairs and on walking frames. What a disgusting place Colchester would be if the anti-disabled posters on here were truly representative of its population. Please, please some of you, arrange to swap places with the disabled and "enjoy" their privileges. You will love the pain, the inability to do most of the things you used to cope with so easily, the sleepless nights, the toll on your family, and above all the spitefulness of the ignorant. rhetoric
  • Score: 8

11:50pm Fri 14 Feb 14

redcurls says...

Assimilation wrote:
redcurls says..."Someone said the disabled can go to out of town retail parks, but the point is, why should they?"....

Why should they not, everyone else does. They are flat and wheel chair friendly.

rhetoric..... What are you rambling on about, this story is about access to park in the High Street, which does not apply now, nothing else.
Once again you are missing the point. The point is that everyone else has the choice and so it should be with the disabled.

I do understand if you have never been in the position or have a family member in that position, how hard it is to appreciate the difficulties disabled people have but surely anyone with an ounce of compassion can try to imagine what being in constant pain is like, to have your independence taken away from you, to not be able to enjoy a simple thing as meeting a friend for coffee etc.

Do you REALLY think that everyone who is disabled should sit at home and not have a say? Even you Assimilation must be able to see that people do not choose to be disabled or have to use a wheelchair, and that life is a constant struggle? They didn't ask to park on the High Street, they accepted the spaces were being removed and just asked for equivalent spaces. Have you ever sat in a wheelchair and tried to wheel yourself through town? Just take a second next time you walk through Red Lion shopping centre and note the gradient, and think (if you can) how difficult and exhausting it would be to get from shop to shop and back to your car or bus.

Just for once take a little time to see things from someone else's point of view and perhaps then you will be able to appreciate, if only a little, what the argument has been about.
[quote][p][bold]Assimilation[/bold] wrote: redcurls says..."Someone said the disabled can go to out of town retail parks, but the point is, why should they?".... Why should they not, everyone else does. They are flat and wheel chair friendly. rhetoric..... What are you rambling on about, this story is about access to park in the High Street, which does not apply now, nothing else.[/p][/quote]Once again you are missing the point. The point is that everyone else has the choice and so it should be with the disabled. I do understand if you have never been in the position or have a family member in that position, how hard it is to appreciate the difficulties disabled people have but surely anyone with an ounce of compassion can try to imagine what being in constant pain is like, to have your independence taken away from you, to not be able to enjoy a simple thing as meeting a friend for coffee etc. Do you REALLY think that everyone who is disabled should sit at home and not have a say? Even you Assimilation must be able to see that people do not choose to be disabled or have to use a wheelchair, and that life is a constant struggle? They didn't ask to park on the High Street, they accepted the spaces were being removed and just asked for equivalent spaces. Have you ever sat in a wheelchair and tried to wheel yourself through town? Just take a second next time you walk through Red Lion shopping centre and note the gradient, and think (if you can) how difficult and exhausting it would be to get from shop to shop and back to your car or bus. Just for once take a little time to see things from someone else's point of view and perhaps then you will be able to appreciate, if only a little, what the argument has been about. redcurls
  • Score: 6

11:57pm Fri 14 Feb 14

redcurls says...

Reginald47 wrote:
No matter what people think the High Court has given a ruling and it's not discrimnination so that's that.
Wrong! If you had bothered to read properly, the judgement was not on whether it was discrimination or not discrimination. It was on whether ECC had followed the correct process, and it was judged that they had.

The judge also said he didn't think the High Court was the right place to look at the discrimination aspects and that it should go to County Court instead.
[quote][p][bold]Reginald47[/bold] wrote: No matter what people think the High Court has given a ruling and it's not discrimnination so that's that.[/p][/quote]Wrong! If you had bothered to read properly, the judgement was not on whether it was discrimination or not discrimination. It was on whether ECC had followed the correct process, and it was judged that they had. The judge also said he didn't think the High Court was the right place to look at the discrimination aspects and that it should go to County Court instead. redcurls
  • Score: 3

12:12am Sat 15 Feb 14

Assimilation says...

Why dont they put a blanket traffic ban in the whole of the town and turn it into a disabled car park. Oh hold fire, that still would not be enough.

Sorry I forgot, I`m not allowed to say anything against the minorities (which I could list, but wont) because I will be labelled a hating, discriminating racist by all the red card holders out there. This Country is fast becoming a Dictatorship where the minorities rule and the majority have got to shut up and do as your told. Where has England gone?
Why dont they put a blanket traffic ban in the whole of the town and turn it into a disabled car park. Oh hold fire, that still would not be enough. Sorry I forgot, I`m not allowed to say anything against the minorities (which I could list, but wont) because I will be labelled a hating, discriminating racist by all the red card holders out there. This Country is fast becoming a Dictatorship where the minorities rule and the majority have got to shut up and do as your told. Where has England gone? Assimilation
  • Score: -9

1:28am Sat 15 Feb 14

Assimilation says...

redcurls wrote:
Reginald47 wrote:
No matter what people think the High Court has given a ruling and it's not discrimnination so that's that.
Wrong! If you had bothered to read properly, the judgement was not on whether it was discrimination or not discrimination. It was on whether ECC had followed the correct process, and it was judged that they had.

The judge also said he didn't think the High Court was the right place to look at the discrimination aspects and that it should go to County Court instead.
You are just nit-picking with words. It was taken to court because their human rights were being breached because they could no longer shop in the town centre, they were being discriminated against. But nobody was stopping them from shopping. What it boils down to is the same old thing, parking. We want to park where we like, when we like.
[quote][p][bold]redcurls[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reginald47[/bold] wrote: No matter what people think the High Court has given a ruling and it's not discrimnination so that's that.[/p][/quote]Wrong! If you had bothered to read properly, the judgement was not on whether it was discrimination or not discrimination. It was on whether ECC had followed the correct process, and it was judged that they had. The judge also said he didn't think the High Court was the right place to look at the discrimination aspects and that it should go to County Court instead.[/p][/quote]You are just nit-picking with words. It was taken to court because their human rights were being breached because they could no longer shop in the town centre, they were being discriminated against. But nobody was stopping them from shopping. What it boils down to is the same old thing, parking. We want to park where we like, when we like. Assimilation
  • Score: -5

9:00am Sat 15 Feb 14

jut1972 says...

Assimilation wrote:
Why dont they put a blanket traffic ban in the whole of the town and turn it into a disabled car park. Oh hold fire, that still would not be enough.

Sorry I forgot, I`m not allowed to say anything against the minorities (which I could list, but wont) because I will be labelled a hating, discriminating racist by all the red card holders out there. This Country is fast becoming a Dictatorship where the minorities rule and the majority have got to shut up and do as your told. Where has England gone?
No go on list them big man.
[quote][p][bold]Assimilation[/bold] wrote: Why dont they put a blanket traffic ban in the whole of the town and turn it into a disabled car park. Oh hold fire, that still would not be enough. Sorry I forgot, I`m not allowed to say anything against the minorities (which I could list, but wont) because I will be labelled a hating, discriminating racist by all the red card holders out there. This Country is fast becoming a Dictatorship where the minorities rule and the majority have got to shut up and do as your told. Where has England gone?[/p][/quote]No go on list them big man. jut1972
  • Score: 0

9:44pm Sat 15 Feb 14

Assimilation says...

jut1972 says... No go on list them big man.


Oh no, have you been peeking yet again? pervert troll, but you are right, and I wont give you the satisfaction of going to town with your name calling and accusations. And I forgot the Troll word, witch, has been conveniently hijacked from another meaning, to call someone who says what others don't like to hear or see on forums like these
jut1972 says... No go on list them big man. Oh no, have you been peeking yet again? pervert troll, but you are right, and I wont give you the satisfaction of going to town with your name calling and accusations. And I forgot the Troll word, witch, has been conveniently hijacked from another meaning, to call someone who says what others don't like to hear or see on forums like these Assimilation
  • Score: -8

10:07am Sun 16 Feb 14

Harry-Brown says...

Assimilation wrote:
jut1972 says... No go on list them big man.


Oh no, have you been peeking yet again? pervert troll, but you are right, and I wont give you the satisfaction of going to town with your name calling and accusations. And I forgot the Troll word, witch, has been conveniently hijacked from another meaning, to call someone who says what others don't like to hear or see on forums like these
YOU NEED TO SHOUT YOUR NORTH AND SOUTH QUITE QUICKLY
D**KH**D
You have a G*B the size of the lady in the photo.
these are nothing more than politically correct dole spongers.
i say give them plastic 3 or 4 wheel quadricycles f**k all this brand new cars from main dealer s**t!
they are lazy good for little, wannabe all day sympathy merchants...!!!
the fact is motability or scive ability is worth 600.000 cars over three years to the tune of £15,000 per lump of tin ASSIMILATE that you p***k!
Some of them are getting more than that.
the stuff they bag on this scheme and bandwagon is f*****g disgraceful
They are on thousands a year in benefits more than some ever get in work
You get Doctors and Execs on the scheme parked at the hospital in new jags and mercs with BLUE BADGES what a joke????
some people are really swinging it and it gets on my nerves..
doo gooder crap thats gone bonkers.
the only car you should be allowed is one with a ramp, like a van
if you can get up and fold your own wheel chair and put it away while dangling your stick about then i say thats B*llO*KS!
as for free parking all over the place what a joke
free parking ONLY for war vets like me and my chums with their f*****g legs blown off for the likes of id**ts like you?
the rest of you its self inflicted....oh its my hormones is why i cant stop eating.
next time you stuff your cheesecake in your G*B think of the consequences.
we all end up having to pay for it....YES WITH FREE PARKING????
MEN GOOD MEN ARE FIGHTING IN WARS PAST AND PRESENT TO PROTECT FREEDOMS NOT FREE PARKINGDOMS for the likes of so called disableds?

my old man use to have a pony and cart in london. carried me bout in it

then i ended up on a troop carrier on a f******g beach

Harry Brown
[quote][p][bold]Assimilation[/bold] wrote: jut1972 says... No go on list them big man. Oh no, have you been peeking yet again? pervert troll, but you are right, and I wont give you the satisfaction of going to town with your name calling and accusations. And I forgot the Troll word, witch, has been conveniently hijacked from another meaning, to call someone who says what others don't like to hear or see on forums like these[/p][/quote]YOU NEED TO SHOUT YOUR NORTH AND SOUTH QUITE QUICKLY D**KH**D You have a G*B the size of the lady in the photo. these are nothing more than politically correct dole spongers. i say give them plastic 3 or 4 wheel quadricycles f**k all this brand new cars from main dealer s**t! they are lazy good for little, wannabe all day sympathy merchants...!!! the fact is motability or scive ability is worth 600.000 cars over three years to the tune of £15,000 per lump of tin ASSIMILATE that you p***k! Some of them are getting more than that. the stuff they bag on this scheme and bandwagon is f*****g disgraceful They are on thousands a year in benefits more than some ever get in work You get Doctors and Execs on the scheme parked at the hospital in new jags and mercs with BLUE BADGES what a joke???? some people are really swinging it and it gets on my nerves.. doo gooder crap thats gone bonkers. the only car you should be allowed is one with a ramp, like a van if you can get up and fold your own wheel chair and put it away while dangling your stick about then i say thats B*llO*KS! as for free parking all over the place what a joke free parking ONLY for war vets like me and my chums with their f*****g legs blown off for the likes of id**ts like you? the rest of you its self inflicted....oh its my hormones is why i cant stop eating. next time you stuff your cheesecake in your G*B think of the consequences. we all end up having to pay for it....YES WITH FREE PARKING???? MEN GOOD MEN ARE FIGHTING IN WARS PAST AND PRESENT TO PROTECT FREEDOMS NOT FREE PARKINGDOMS for the likes of so called disableds? my old man use to have a pony and cart in london. carried me bout in it then i ended up on a troop carrier on a f******g beach Harry Brown Harry-Brown
  • Score: -6

10:50am Sun 16 Feb 14

redcurls says...

Assimilation wrote:
redcurls wrote:
Reginald47 wrote:
No matter what people think the High Court has given a ruling and it's not discrimnination so that's that.
Wrong! If you had bothered to read properly, the judgement was not on whether it was discrimination or not discrimination. It was on whether ECC had followed the correct process, and it was judged that they had.

The judge also said he didn't think the High Court was the right place to look at the discrimination aspects and that it should go to County Court instead.
You are just nit-picking with words. It was taken to court because their human rights were being breached because they could no longer shop in the town centre, they were being discriminated against. But nobody was stopping them from shopping. What it boils down to is the same old thing, parking. We want to park where we like, when we like.
Wrong again! They didn't mention Human Rights and they didn't say we have to park in the High Street. They requested equivalent spaces but from reading your posts I can quite clearly see that you don't understand what that means, and all you read is what you want to read.
[quote][p][bold]Assimilation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redcurls[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reginald47[/bold] wrote: No matter what people think the High Court has given a ruling and it's not discrimnination so that's that.[/p][/quote]Wrong! If you had bothered to read properly, the judgement was not on whether it was discrimination or not discrimination. It was on whether ECC had followed the correct process, and it was judged that they had. The judge also said he didn't think the High Court was the right place to look at the discrimination aspects and that it should go to County Court instead.[/p][/quote]You are just nit-picking with words. It was taken to court because their human rights were being breached because they could no longer shop in the town centre, they were being discriminated against. But nobody was stopping them from shopping. What it boils down to is the same old thing, parking. We want to park where we like, when we like.[/p][/quote]Wrong again! They didn't mention Human Rights and they didn't say we have to park in the High Street. They requested equivalent spaces but from reading your posts I can quite clearly see that you don't understand what that means, and all you read is what you want to read. redcurls
  • Score: 5

10:54am Sun 16 Feb 14

redcurls says...

Harry-Brown wrote:
Assimilation wrote:
jut1972 says... No go on list them big man.


Oh no, have you been peeking yet again? pervert troll, but you are right, and I wont give you the satisfaction of going to town with your name calling and accusations. And I forgot the Troll word, witch, has been conveniently hijacked from another meaning, to call someone who says what others don't like to hear or see on forums like these
YOU NEED TO SHOUT YOUR NORTH AND SOUTH QUITE QUICKLY
D**KH**D
You have a G*B the size of the lady in the photo.
these are nothing more than politically correct dole spongers.
i say give them plastic 3 or 4 wheel quadricycles f**k all this brand new cars from main dealer s**t!
they are lazy good for little, wannabe all day sympathy merchants...!!!
the fact is motability or scive ability is worth 600.000 cars over three years to the tune of £15,000 per lump of tin ASSIMILATE that you p***k!
Some of them are getting more than that.
the stuff they bag on this scheme and bandwagon is f*****g disgraceful
They are on thousands a year in benefits more than some ever get in work
You get Doctors and Execs on the scheme parked at the hospital in new jags and mercs with BLUE BADGES what a joke????
some people are really swinging it and it gets on my nerves..
doo gooder crap thats gone bonkers.
the only car you should be allowed is one with a ramp, like a van
if you can get up and fold your own wheel chair and put it away while dangling your stick about then i say thats B*llO*KS!
as for free parking all over the place what a joke
free parking ONLY for war vets like me and my chums with their f*****g legs blown off for the likes of id**ts like you?
the rest of you its self inflicted....oh its my hormones is why i cant stop eating.
next time you stuff your cheesecake in your G*B think of the consequences.
we all end up having to pay for it....YES WITH FREE PARKING????
MEN GOOD MEN ARE FIGHTING IN WARS PAST AND PRESENT TO PROTECT FREEDOMS NOT FREE PARKINGDOMS for the likes of so called disableds?

my old man use to have a pony and cart in london. carried me bout in it

then i ended up on a troop carrier on a f******g beach

Harry Brown
Mmm interesting, so your Dad carried you in a pony and cart, thereby implying you were unable to walk but you then became a soldier and got your limbs blown off!!

Your entire post reads of pure jealousy - pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]Harry-Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Assimilation[/bold] wrote: jut1972 says... No go on list them big man. Oh no, have you been peeking yet again? pervert troll, but you are right, and I wont give you the satisfaction of going to town with your name calling and accusations. And I forgot the Troll word, witch, has been conveniently hijacked from another meaning, to call someone who says what others don't like to hear or see on forums like these[/p][/quote]YOU NEED TO SHOUT YOUR NORTH AND SOUTH QUITE QUICKLY D**KH**D You have a G*B the size of the lady in the photo. these are nothing more than politically correct dole spongers. i say give them plastic 3 or 4 wheel quadricycles f**k all this brand new cars from main dealer s**t! they are lazy good for little, wannabe all day sympathy merchants...!!! the fact is motability or scive ability is worth 600.000 cars over three years to the tune of £15,000 per lump of tin ASSIMILATE that you p***k! Some of them are getting more than that. the stuff they bag on this scheme and bandwagon is f*****g disgraceful They are on thousands a year in benefits more than some ever get in work You get Doctors and Execs on the scheme parked at the hospital in new jags and mercs with BLUE BADGES what a joke???? some people are really swinging it and it gets on my nerves.. doo gooder crap thats gone bonkers. the only car you should be allowed is one with a ramp, like a van if you can get up and fold your own wheel chair and put it away while dangling your stick about then i say thats B*llO*KS! as for free parking all over the place what a joke free parking ONLY for war vets like me and my chums with their f*****g legs blown off for the likes of id**ts like you? the rest of you its self inflicted....oh its my hormones is why i cant stop eating. next time you stuff your cheesecake in your G*B think of the consequences. we all end up having to pay for it....YES WITH FREE PARKING???? MEN GOOD MEN ARE FIGHTING IN WARS PAST AND PRESENT TO PROTECT FREEDOMS NOT FREE PARKINGDOMS for the likes of so called disableds? my old man use to have a pony and cart in london. carried me bout in it then i ended up on a troop carrier on a f******g beach Harry Brown[/p][/quote]Mmm interesting, so your Dad carried you in a pony and cart, thereby implying you were unable to walk but you then became a soldier and got your limbs blown off!! Your entire post reads of pure jealousy - pathetic. redcurls
  • Score: 4

3:05pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Assimilation says...

redcurls wrote:
Assimilation wrote:
redcurls wrote:
Reginald47 wrote:
No matter what people think the High Court has given a ruling and it's not discrimnination so that's that.
Wrong! If you had bothered to read properly, the judgement was not on whether it was discrimination or not discrimination. It was on whether ECC had followed the correct process, and it was judged that they had.

The judge also said he didn't think the High Court was the right place to look at the discrimination aspects and that it should go to County Court instead.
You are just nit-picking with words. It was taken to court because their human rights were being breached because they could no longer shop in the town centre, they were being discriminated against. But nobody was stopping them from shopping. What it boils down to is the same old thing, parking. We want to park where we like, when we like.
Wrong again! They didn't mention Human Rights and they didn't say we have to park in the High Street. They requested equivalent spaces but from reading your posts I can quite clearly see that you don't understand what that means, and all you read is what you want to read.
Wrong yet again, a quote from the heading, You go back and read again and this time put your reading glasses on................At a hearing last month, the evidence of 24 disabled residents was submitted as part of a claim that their human rights were being breached because they could no longer shop in the town centre.......OK, go it now?
[quote][p][bold]redcurls[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Assimilation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redcurls[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reginald47[/bold] wrote: No matter what people think the High Court has given a ruling and it's not discrimnination so that's that.[/p][/quote]Wrong! If you had bothered to read properly, the judgement was not on whether it was discrimination or not discrimination. It was on whether ECC had followed the correct process, and it was judged that they had. The judge also said he didn't think the High Court was the right place to look at the discrimination aspects and that it should go to County Court instead.[/p][/quote]You are just nit-picking with words. It was taken to court because their human rights were being breached because they could no longer shop in the town centre, they were being discriminated against. But nobody was stopping them from shopping. What it boils down to is the same old thing, parking. We want to park where we like, when we like.[/p][/quote]Wrong again! They didn't mention Human Rights and they didn't say we have to park in the High Street. They requested equivalent spaces but from reading your posts I can quite clearly see that you don't understand what that means, and all you read is what you want to read.[/p][/quote]Wrong yet again, a quote from the heading, You go back and read again and this time put your reading glasses on................At a hearing last month, the evidence of 24 disabled residents was submitted as part of a claim that their human rights were being breached because they could no longer shop in the town centre.......OK, go it now? Assimilation
  • Score: 3

3:17pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Assimilation says...

Harry-Brown wrote:
Assimilation wrote:
jut1972 says... No go on list them big man.


Oh no, have you been peeking yet again? pervert troll, but you are right, and I wont give you the satisfaction of going to town with your name calling and accusations. And I forgot the Troll word, witch, has been conveniently hijacked from another meaning, to call someone who says what others don't like to hear or see on forums like these
YOU NEED TO SHOUT YOUR NORTH AND SOUTH QUITE QUICKLY
D**KH**D
You have a G*B the size of the lady in the photo.
these are nothing more than politically correct dole spongers.
i say give them plastic 3 or 4 wheel quadricycles f**k all this brand new cars from main dealer s**t!
they are lazy good for little, wannabe all day sympathy merchants...!!!
the fact is motability or scive ability is worth 600.000 cars over three years to the tune of £15,000 per lump of tin ASSIMILATE that you p***k!
Some of them are getting more than that.
the stuff they bag on this scheme and bandwagon is f*****g disgraceful
They are on thousands a year in benefits more than some ever get in work
You get Doctors and Execs on the scheme parked at the hospital in new jags and mercs with BLUE BADGES what a joke????
some people are really swinging it and it gets on my nerves..
doo gooder crap thats gone bonkers.
the only car you should be allowed is one with a ramp, like a van
if you can get up and fold your own wheel chair and put it away while dangling your stick about then i say thats B*llO*KS!
as for free parking all over the place what a joke
free parking ONLY for war vets like me and my chums with their f*****g legs blown off for the likes of id**ts like you?
the rest of you its self inflicted....oh its my hormones is why i cant stop eating.
next time you stuff your cheesecake in your G*B think of the consequences.
we all end up having to pay for it....YES WITH FREE PARKING????
MEN GOOD MEN ARE FIGHTING IN WARS PAST AND PRESENT TO PROTECT FREEDOMS NOT FREE PARKINGDOMS for the likes of so called disableds?

my old man use to have a pony and cart in london. carried me bout in it

then i ended up on a troop carrier on a f******g beach

Harry Brown
Harry-Brown......If this rant is aimed at me, then I think you are having a pop the wrong person, because you have just said my thoughts to a tee. But if I say, them I would get called every thing under the sun. All I can say is, "Here, Here and well said. Now get readdy for the explosion of do gooder trolls.
It`s started !
[quote][p][bold]Harry-Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Assimilation[/bold] wrote: jut1972 says... No go on list them big man. Oh no, have you been peeking yet again? pervert troll, but you are right, and I wont give you the satisfaction of going to town with your name calling and accusations. And I forgot the Troll word, witch, has been conveniently hijacked from another meaning, to call someone who says what others don't like to hear or see on forums like these[/p][/quote]YOU NEED TO SHOUT YOUR NORTH AND SOUTH QUITE QUICKLY D**KH**D You have a G*B the size of the lady in the photo. these are nothing more than politically correct dole spongers. i say give them plastic 3 or 4 wheel quadricycles f**k all this brand new cars from main dealer s**t! they are lazy good for little, wannabe all day sympathy merchants...!!! the fact is motability or scive ability is worth 600.000 cars over three years to the tune of £15,000 per lump of tin ASSIMILATE that you p***k! Some of them are getting more than that. the stuff they bag on this scheme and bandwagon is f*****g disgraceful They are on thousands a year in benefits more than some ever get in work You get Doctors and Execs on the scheme parked at the hospital in new jags and mercs with BLUE BADGES what a joke???? some people are really swinging it and it gets on my nerves.. doo gooder crap thats gone bonkers. the only car you should be allowed is one with a ramp, like a van if you can get up and fold your own wheel chair and put it away while dangling your stick about then i say thats B*llO*KS! as for free parking all over the place what a joke free parking ONLY for war vets like me and my chums with their f*****g legs blown off for the likes of id**ts like you? the rest of you its self inflicted....oh its my hormones is why i cant stop eating. next time you stuff your cheesecake in your G*B think of the consequences. we all end up having to pay for it....YES WITH FREE PARKING???? MEN GOOD MEN ARE FIGHTING IN WARS PAST AND PRESENT TO PROTECT FREEDOMS NOT FREE PARKINGDOMS for the likes of so called disableds? my old man use to have a pony and cart in london. carried me bout in it then i ended up on a troop carrier on a f******g beach Harry Brown[/p][/quote]Harry-Brown......If this rant is aimed at me, then I think you are having a pop the wrong person, because you have just said my thoughts to a tee. But if I say, them I would get called every thing under the sun. All I can say is, "Here, Here and well said. Now get readdy for the explosion of do gooder trolls. It`s started ! Assimilation
  • Score: -8

10:32am Mon 17 Feb 14

redcurls says...

Assimilation wrote:
redcurls wrote:
Assimilation wrote:
redcurls wrote:
Reginald47 wrote:
No matter what people think the High Court has given a ruling and it's not discrimnination so that's that.
Wrong! If you had bothered to read properly, the judgement was not on whether it was discrimination or not discrimination. It was on whether ECC had followed the correct process, and it was judged that they had.

The judge also said he didn't think the High Court was the right place to look at the discrimination aspects and that it should go to County Court instead.
You are just nit-picking with words. It was taken to court because their human rights were being breached because they could no longer shop in the town centre, they were being discriminated against. But nobody was stopping them from shopping. What it boils down to is the same old thing, parking. We want to park where we like, when we like.
Wrong again! They didn't mention Human Rights and they didn't say we have to park in the High Street. They requested equivalent spaces but from reading your posts I can quite clearly see that you don't understand what that means, and all you read is what you want to read.
Wrong yet again, a quote from the heading, You go back and read again and this time put your reading glasses on................At a hearing last month, the evidence of 24 disabled residents was submitted as part of a claim that their human rights were being breached because they could no longer shop in the town centre.......OK, go it now?
Because the papers always get it right? I have seen the court papers because I bothered to research and at no point did they mention Human Rights - that was just an attention grabbing headline.
[quote][p][bold]Assimilation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redcurls[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Assimilation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redcurls[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reginald47[/bold] wrote: No matter what people think the High Court has given a ruling and it's not discrimnination so that's that.[/p][/quote]Wrong! If you had bothered to read properly, the judgement was not on whether it was discrimination or not discrimination. It was on whether ECC had followed the correct process, and it was judged that they had. The judge also said he didn't think the High Court was the right place to look at the discrimination aspects and that it should go to County Court instead.[/p][/quote]You are just nit-picking with words. It was taken to court because their human rights were being breached because they could no longer shop in the town centre, they were being discriminated against. But nobody was stopping them from shopping. What it boils down to is the same old thing, parking. We want to park where we like, when we like.[/p][/quote]Wrong again! They didn't mention Human Rights and they didn't say we have to park in the High Street. They requested equivalent spaces but from reading your posts I can quite clearly see that you don't understand what that means, and all you read is what you want to read.[/p][/quote]Wrong yet again, a quote from the heading, You go back and read again and this time put your reading glasses on................At a hearing last month, the evidence of 24 disabled residents was submitted as part of a claim that their human rights were being breached because they could no longer shop in the town centre.......OK, go it now?[/p][/quote]Because the papers always get it right? I have seen the court papers because I bothered to research and at no point did they mention Human Rights - that was just an attention grabbing headline. redcurls
  • Score: 3

11:09am Mon 17 Feb 14

pixiebell87 says...

the attitude some people on here have towards disabled people is truely disgusting!
the attitude some people on here have towards disabled people is truely disgusting! pixiebell87
  • Score: 6

11:53am Mon 17 Feb 14

romantic says...

This article has bought to light the warped viewpoint that some seem to have towards the disabled. There seems to be an assumption by some people posting that anybody with a blue badge is somehow faking it or milking the system. I am sure there are some who do that, but not all, not even a substantial minority. Where does all this venomous hatred come from?

And, worst of all, we have assimilation saying wait for the "do-gooder trolls", suggesting that anybody who disagrees with his viewpoint is a troll.

And then there's Harry Brown. Harry, if you were really landing on a beach (In WW2, I presume), that would make you at least 84 years old. All those years and still carrying this tabloid-based hatred towards the disabled around with you.

I will ask both of you this: how many disabled people do you know? How many do you know yourself who you think are somehow faking it or living the life of Reilly? I don't mean vague tabloid stories, I mean actual people that you know. I have known a few disabled people over the years and can honestly say that none of them is sitting back thinking what a great system it is, and counting their benefits riches. To varying degrees, their disabilities have caused significant hardships.

Regardless of the question of parking spaces in the High Street, it is seriously disheartening to have people come out with such abuse, and seemingly revel in it, because they are well aware that people will react. Guys, actually, that is more like "trolling" than those who deign to query your attitudes.
This article has bought to light the warped viewpoint that some seem to have towards the disabled. There seems to be an assumption by some people posting that anybody with a blue badge is somehow faking it or milking the system. I am sure there are some who do that, but not all, not even a substantial minority. Where does all this venomous hatred come from? And, worst of all, we have assimilation saying wait for the "do-gooder trolls", suggesting that anybody who disagrees with his viewpoint is a troll. And then there's Harry Brown. Harry, if you were really landing on a beach (In WW2, I presume), that would make you at least 84 years old. All those years and still carrying this tabloid-based hatred towards the disabled around with you. I will ask both of you this: how many disabled people do you know? How many do you know yourself who you think are somehow faking it or living the life of Reilly? I don't mean vague tabloid stories, I mean actual people that you know. I have known a few disabled people over the years and can honestly say that none of them is sitting back thinking what a great system it is, and counting their benefits riches. To varying degrees, their disabilities have caused significant hardships. Regardless of the question of parking spaces in the High Street, it is seriously disheartening to have people come out with such abuse, and seemingly revel in it, because they are well aware that people will react. Guys, actually, that is more like "trolling" than those who deign to query your attitudes. romantic
  • Score: 6

1:01pm Mon 17 Feb 14

stevedawson says...

We see the awful side of human nature on here every day.unbelievable.har
ry brown left a touching tribute to his friend then shew us his other side on this thread, shame on him.
We see the awful side of human nature on here every day.unbelievable.har ry brown left a touching tribute to his friend then shew us his other side on this thread, shame on him. stevedawson
  • Score: 2

9:26pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Assimilation says...

romantic wrote:
This article has bought to light the warped viewpoint that some seem to have towards the disabled. There seems to be an assumption by some people posting that anybody with a blue badge is somehow faking it or milking the system. I am sure there are some who do that, but not all, not even a substantial minority. Where does all this venomous hatred come from?

And, worst of all, we have assimilation saying wait for the "do-gooder trolls", suggesting that anybody who disagrees with his viewpoint is a troll.

And then there's Harry Brown. Harry, if you were really landing on a beach (In WW2, I presume), that would make you at least 84 years old. All those years and still carrying this tabloid-based hatred towards the disabled around with you.

I will ask both of you this: how many disabled people do you know? How many do you know yourself who you think are somehow faking it or living the life of Reilly? I don't mean vague tabloid stories, I mean actual people that you know. I have known a few disabled people over the years and can honestly say that none of them is sitting back thinking what a great system it is, and counting their benefits riches. To varying degrees, their disabilities have caused significant hardships.

Regardless of the question of parking spaces in the High Street, it is seriously disheartening to have people come out with such abuse, and seemingly revel in it, because they are well aware that people will react. Guys, actually, that is more like "trolling" than those who deign to query your attitudes.
This article has bought to light the view point of others who have a god given right to air their views. If you don't like being called a TROLL then don't call others by the same name as it makes you as bad, if not worse. And when you call me a troll, are you calling me a dwarf or giant? As that is the real meaning, not a hi-jacked name change to call people when they put over something you and others don't like. The easy opt out.

Even if Harry Brown is 84 plus, the passing of time does not alter peoples way of thinking.

I know and have known many disabled people over time, and some of them were fakers. I am retired and living on state pension living in rented accommodation, I am 50% deaf, one knee joint about to give up and have bad C.O.P.D. I don not claim one single penny in benefits. I walk to most places (with difficulty sometimes) and it does annoy me seeing the so called disabled park for free where and when ever, and hop, skip and jump enjoying their shopping and dining out.
[quote][p][bold]romantic[/bold] wrote: This article has bought to light the warped viewpoint that some seem to have towards the disabled. There seems to be an assumption by some people posting that anybody with a blue badge is somehow faking it or milking the system. I am sure there are some who do that, but not all, not even a substantial minority. Where does all this venomous hatred come from? And, worst of all, we have assimilation saying wait for the "do-gooder trolls", suggesting that anybody who disagrees with his viewpoint is a troll. And then there's Harry Brown. Harry, if you were really landing on a beach (In WW2, I presume), that would make you at least 84 years old. All those years and still carrying this tabloid-based hatred towards the disabled around with you. I will ask both of you this: how many disabled people do you know? How many do you know yourself who you think are somehow faking it or living the life of Reilly? I don't mean vague tabloid stories, I mean actual people that you know. I have known a few disabled people over the years and can honestly say that none of them is sitting back thinking what a great system it is, and counting their benefits riches. To varying degrees, their disabilities have caused significant hardships. Regardless of the question of parking spaces in the High Street, it is seriously disheartening to have people come out with such abuse, and seemingly revel in it, because they are well aware that people will react. Guys, actually, that is more like "trolling" than those who deign to query your attitudes.[/p][/quote]This article has bought to light the view point of others who have a god given right to air their views. If you don't like being called a TROLL then don't call others by the same name as it makes you as bad, if not worse. And when you call me a troll, are you calling me a dwarf or giant? As that is the real meaning, not a hi-jacked name change to call people when they put over something you and others don't like. The easy opt out. Even if Harry Brown is 84 plus, the passing of time does not alter peoples way of thinking. I know and have known many disabled people over time, and some of them were fakers. I am retired and living on state pension living in rented accommodation, I am 50% deaf, one knee joint about to give up and have bad C.O.P.D. I don not claim one single penny in benefits. I walk to most places (with difficulty sometimes) and it does annoy me seeing the so called disabled park for free where and when ever, and hop, skip and jump enjoying their shopping and dining out. Assimilation
  • Score: -2

10:34pm Mon 17 Feb 14

UndergroundOverground says...

Harry Brown? More like Walter Mitty.
Harry Brown? More like Walter Mitty. UndergroundOverground
  • Score: 3

7:26am Tue 18 Feb 14

rhetoric says...

All these "fake" disabled in Colchester? Why are you hate-filled posters wasting time writing on this thread?

You could protest to the appropriate authorities, with your evidence, and get these "frauds" investigated.

Actually, I suspect you have been swept away by seeing the odd fraud on morning tv programmes.

I am so surprised that Assimilation, with that great number of problems, has not been advised by medical and social authorities of the help available. One doesn't have to take money if one is so high-minded as to believe that suffering along with relative poverty is the moral way to go. There are however other means of assistance such as volunteers to make life easier in physical ways.

Under the cloak of anonymity anyone can claim any sort of handicap on this thread. Not to accept help - which need not be financial - is extreme and fanatical in not a nice way.
All these "fake" disabled in Colchester? Why are you hate-filled posters wasting time writing on this thread? You could protest to the appropriate authorities, with your evidence, and get these "frauds" investigated. Actually, I suspect you have been swept away by seeing the odd fraud on morning tv programmes. I am so surprised that Assimilation, with that great number of problems, has not been advised by medical and social authorities of the help available. One doesn't have to take money if one is so high-minded as to believe that suffering along with relative poverty is the moral way to go. There are however other means of assistance such as volunteers to make life easier in physical ways. Under the cloak of anonymity anyone can claim any sort of handicap on this thread. Not to accept help - which need not be financial - is extreme and fanatical in not a nice way. rhetoric
  • Score: 3

10:24am Tue 18 Feb 14

Assimilation says...

rhetoric wrote:
All these "fake" disabled in Colchester? Why are you hate-filled posters wasting time writing on this thread?

You could protest to the appropriate authorities, with your evidence, and get these "frauds" investigated.

Actually, I suspect you have been swept away by seeing the odd fraud on morning tv programmes.

I am so surprised that Assimilation, with that great number of problems, has not been advised by medical and social authorities of the help available. One doesn't have to take money if one is so high-minded as to believe that suffering along with relative poverty is the moral way to go. There are however other means of assistance such as volunteers to make life easier in physical ways.

Under the cloak of anonymity anyone can claim any sort of handicap on this thread. Not to accept help - which need not be financial - is extreme and fanatical in not a nice way.
I see. You seem to be one of those type of persons that has to be right on every subject, and everyone else is a racist, discriminating troll ? Going by what you have just said, you are lumping the ones claiming for disablement and the non claiming disabled into one group, as you are now saying that because I do not claim, I am the same as someone who claims who does not need it?

OK what ever, your paying for it all out of your taxes. Your time will come,and will it be in an extreme and fanatical and not in a nice way??
[quote][p][bold]rhetoric[/bold] wrote: All these "fake" disabled in Colchester? Why are you hate-filled posters wasting time writing on this thread? You could protest to the appropriate authorities, with your evidence, and get these "frauds" investigated. Actually, I suspect you have been swept away by seeing the odd fraud on morning tv programmes. I am so surprised that Assimilation, with that great number of problems, has not been advised by medical and social authorities of the help available. One doesn't have to take money if one is so high-minded as to believe that suffering along with relative poverty is the moral way to go. There are however other means of assistance such as volunteers to make life easier in physical ways. Under the cloak of anonymity anyone can claim any sort of handicap on this thread. Not to accept help - which need not be financial - is extreme and fanatical in not a nice way.[/p][/quote]I see. You seem to be one of those type of persons that has to be right on every subject, and everyone else is a racist, discriminating troll ? Going by what you have just said, you are lumping the ones claiming for disablement and the non claiming disabled into one group, as you are now saying that because I do not claim, I am the same as someone who claims who does not need it? OK what ever, your paying for it all out of your taxes. Your time will come,and will it be in an extreme and fanatical and not in a nice way?? Assimilation
  • Score: -4

11:16am Tue 18 Feb 14

wormshero says...

Harry-Brown wrote:
Assimilation wrote:
jut1972 says... No go on list them big man.


Oh no, have you been peeking yet again? pervert troll, but you are right, and I wont give you the satisfaction of going to town with your name calling and accusations. And I forgot the Troll word, witch, has been conveniently hijacked from another meaning, to call someone who says what others don't like to hear or see on forums like these
YOU NEED TO SHOUT YOUR NORTH AND SOUTH QUITE QUICKLY
D**KH**D
You have a G*B the size of the lady in the photo.
these are nothing more than politically correct dole spongers.
i say give them plastic 3 or 4 wheel quadricycles f**k all this brand new cars from main dealer s**t!
they are lazy good for little, wannabe all day sympathy merchants...!!!
the fact is motability or scive ability is worth 600.000 cars over three years to the tune of £15,000 per lump of tin ASSIMILATE that you p***k!
Some of them are getting more than that.
the stuff they bag on this scheme and bandwagon is f*****g disgraceful
They are on thousands a year in benefits more than some ever get in work
You get Doctors and Execs on the scheme parked at the hospital in new jags and mercs with BLUE BADGES what a joke????
some people are really swinging it and it gets on my nerves..
doo gooder crap thats gone bonkers.
the only car you should be allowed is one with a ramp, like a van
if you can get up and fold your own wheel chair and put it away while dangling your stick about then i say thats B*llO*KS!
as for free parking all over the place what a joke
free parking ONLY for war vets like me and my chums with their f*****g legs blown off for the likes of id**ts like you?
the rest of you its self inflicted....oh its my hormones is why i cant stop eating.
next time you stuff your cheesecake in your G*B think of the consequences.
we all end up having to pay for it....YES WITH FREE PARKING????
MEN GOOD MEN ARE FIGHTING IN WARS PAST AND PRESENT TO PROTECT FREEDOMS NOT FREE PARKINGDOMS for the likes of so called disableds?

my old man use to have a pony and cart in london. carried me bout in it

then i ended up on a troop carrier on a f******g beach

Harry Brown
I'm confused, at first I thought this was clearly the new account for the old commenter who used to satirically make fun of the daily mail-esque comments, but then that guy was amusing, this just reads like closed-minded hate.

As you seem to take issue with people having nicer cars than you, you do realise people can work their whole life, earn their own money, and then end up disabled, right? The government don't give you an expensive car just for being disabled, whatever you think. Also, you have a problem with doctors driving mercedes? Firstly, doctors do a job that keeps people alive, they work hard, they spend thousands on training and their job involves additional stresses caused by death etc. - don't you think these people deserve the salary they get, which allows them to buy nice things?
If you didn't get injured at war it's self inflicted? Yes, you're clearly someone we should all be listening to about disability and on medical related issues...

For the record, I'm more on the side of agreement on payment for parking - I think having good accessibility is important, but free parking isn't really necessary for good accessibility. The rest of your crazy uninformed rant would be hilarious, if I didn't think you actually believed your own spiel.
[quote][p][bold]Harry-Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Assimilation[/bold] wrote: jut1972 says... No go on list them big man. Oh no, have you been peeking yet again? pervert troll, but you are right, and I wont give you the satisfaction of going to town with your name calling and accusations. And I forgot the Troll word, witch, has been conveniently hijacked from another meaning, to call someone who says what others don't like to hear or see on forums like these[/p][/quote]YOU NEED TO SHOUT YOUR NORTH AND SOUTH QUITE QUICKLY D**KH**D You have a G*B the size of the lady in the photo. these are nothing more than politically correct dole spongers. i say give them plastic 3 or 4 wheel quadricycles f**k all this brand new cars from main dealer s**t! they are lazy good for little, wannabe all day sympathy merchants...!!! the fact is motability or scive ability is worth 600.000 cars over three years to the tune of £15,000 per lump of tin ASSIMILATE that you p***k! Some of them are getting more than that. the stuff they bag on this scheme and bandwagon is f*****g disgraceful They are on thousands a year in benefits more than some ever get in work You get Doctors and Execs on the scheme parked at the hospital in new jags and mercs with BLUE BADGES what a joke???? some people are really swinging it and it gets on my nerves.. doo gooder crap thats gone bonkers. the only car you should be allowed is one with a ramp, like a van if you can get up and fold your own wheel chair and put it away while dangling your stick about then i say thats B*llO*KS! as for free parking all over the place what a joke free parking ONLY for war vets like me and my chums with their f*****g legs blown off for the likes of id**ts like you? the rest of you its self inflicted....oh its my hormones is why i cant stop eating. next time you stuff your cheesecake in your G*B think of the consequences. we all end up having to pay for it....YES WITH FREE PARKING???? MEN GOOD MEN ARE FIGHTING IN WARS PAST AND PRESENT TO PROTECT FREEDOMS NOT FREE PARKINGDOMS for the likes of so called disableds? my old man use to have a pony and cart in london. carried me bout in it then i ended up on a troop carrier on a f******g beach Harry Brown[/p][/quote]I'm confused, at first I thought this was clearly the new account for the old commenter who used to satirically make fun of the daily mail-esque comments, but then that guy was amusing, this just reads like closed-minded hate. As you seem to take issue with people having nicer cars than you, you do realise people can work their whole life, earn their own money, and then end up disabled, right? The government don't give you an expensive car just for being disabled, whatever you think. Also, you have a problem with doctors driving mercedes? Firstly, doctors do a job that keeps people alive, they work hard, they spend thousands on training and their job involves additional stresses caused by death etc. - don't you think these people deserve the salary they get, which allows them to buy nice things? If you didn't get injured at war it's self inflicted? Yes, you're clearly someone we should all be listening to about disability and on medical related issues... For the record, I'm more on the side of agreement on payment for parking - I think having good accessibility is important, but free parking isn't really necessary for good accessibility. The rest of your crazy uninformed rant would be hilarious, if I didn't think you actually believed your own spiel. wormshero
  • Score: 4

2:20pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Assimilation says...

wormshero wrote:
Harry-Brown wrote:
Assimilation wrote:
jut1972 says... No go on list them big man.


Oh no, have you been peeking yet again? pervert troll, but you are right, and I wont give you the satisfaction of going to town with your name calling and accusations. And I forgot the Troll word, witch, has been conveniently hijacked from another meaning, to call someone who says what others don't like to hear or see on forums like these
YOU NEED TO SHOUT YOUR NORTH AND SOUTH QUITE QUICKLY
D**KH**D
You have a G*B the size of the lady in the photo.
these are nothing more than politically correct dole spongers.
i say give them plastic 3 or 4 wheel quadricycles f**k all this brand new cars from main dealer s**t!
they are lazy good for little, wannabe all day sympathy merchants...!!!
the fact is motability or scive ability is worth 600.000 cars over three years to the tune of £15,000 per lump of tin ASSIMILATE that you p***k!
Some of them are getting more than that.
the stuff they bag on this scheme and bandwagon is f*****g disgraceful
They are on thousands a year in benefits more than some ever get in work
You get Doctors and Execs on the scheme parked at the hospital in new jags and mercs with BLUE BADGES what a joke????
some people are really swinging it and it gets on my nerves..
doo gooder crap thats gone bonkers.
the only car you should be allowed is one with a ramp, like a van
if you can get up and fold your own wheel chair and put it away while dangling your stick about then i say thats B*llO*KS!
as for free parking all over the place what a joke
free parking ONLY for war vets like me and my chums with their f*****g legs blown off for the likes of id**ts like you?
the rest of you its self inflicted....oh its my hormones is why i cant stop eating.
next time you stuff your cheesecake in your G*B think of the consequences.
we all end up having to pay for it....YES WITH FREE PARKING????
MEN GOOD MEN ARE FIGHTING IN WARS PAST AND PRESENT TO PROTECT FREEDOMS NOT FREE PARKINGDOMS for the likes of so called disableds?

my old man use to have a pony and cart in london. carried me bout in it

then i ended up on a troop carrier on a f******g beach

Harry Brown
I'm confused, at first I thought this was clearly the new account for the old commenter who used to satirically make fun of the daily mail-esque comments, but then that guy was amusing, this just reads like closed-minded hate.

As you seem to take issue with people having nicer cars than you, you do realise people can work their whole life, earn their own money, and then end up disabled, right? The government don't give you an expensive car just for being disabled, whatever you think. Also, you have a problem with doctors driving mercedes? Firstly, doctors do a job that keeps people alive, they work hard, they spend thousands on training and their job involves additional stresses caused by death etc. - don't you think these people deserve the salary they get, which allows them to buy nice things?
If you didn't get injured at war it's self inflicted? Yes, you're clearly someone we should all be listening to about disability and on medical related issues...

For the record, I'm more on the side of agreement on payment for parking - I think having good accessibility is important, but free parking isn't really necessary for good accessibility. The rest of your crazy uninformed rant would be hilarious, if I didn't think you actually believed your own spiel.
Hooray, at least someone else has put over what I have been trying to point out on this and other stories. They can park in their bays, no problem, but only in them, not everywhere else. But, put parking meters there to pay for the privilege of doing so. All other motorist pay to generate income for maintenance and upkeep, so why not them ? Or am I wrong, yet again?
[quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry-Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Assimilation[/bold] wrote: jut1972 says... No go on list them big man. Oh no, have you been peeking yet again? pervert troll, but you are right, and I wont give you the satisfaction of going to town with your name calling and accusations. And I forgot the Troll word, witch, has been conveniently hijacked from another meaning, to call someone who says what others don't like to hear or see on forums like these[/p][/quote]YOU NEED TO SHOUT YOUR NORTH AND SOUTH QUITE QUICKLY D**KH**D You have a G*B the size of the lady in the photo. these are nothing more than politically correct dole spongers. i say give them plastic 3 or 4 wheel quadricycles f**k all this brand new cars from main dealer s**t! they are lazy good for little, wannabe all day sympathy merchants...!!! the fact is motability or scive ability is worth 600.000 cars over three years to the tune of £15,000 per lump of tin ASSIMILATE that you p***k! Some of them are getting more than that. the stuff they bag on this scheme and bandwagon is f*****g disgraceful They are on thousands a year in benefits more than some ever get in work You get Doctors and Execs on the scheme parked at the hospital in new jags and mercs with BLUE BADGES what a joke???? some people are really swinging it and it gets on my nerves.. doo gooder crap thats gone bonkers. the only car you should be allowed is one with a ramp, like a van if you can get up and fold your own wheel chair and put it away while dangling your stick about then i say thats B*llO*KS! as for free parking all over the place what a joke free parking ONLY for war vets like me and my chums with their f*****g legs blown off for the likes of id**ts like you? the rest of you its self inflicted....oh its my hormones is why i cant stop eating. next time you stuff your cheesecake in your G*B think of the consequences. we all end up having to pay for it....YES WITH FREE PARKING???? MEN GOOD MEN ARE FIGHTING IN WARS PAST AND PRESENT TO PROTECT FREEDOMS NOT FREE PARKINGDOMS for the likes of so called disableds? my old man use to have a pony and cart in london. carried me bout in it then i ended up on a troop carrier on a f******g beach Harry Brown[/p][/quote]I'm confused, at first I thought this was clearly the new account for the old commenter who used to satirically make fun of the daily mail-esque comments, but then that guy was amusing, this just reads like closed-minded hate. As you seem to take issue with people having nicer cars than you, you do realise people can work their whole life, earn their own money, and then end up disabled, right? The government don't give you an expensive car just for being disabled, whatever you think. Also, you have a problem with doctors driving mercedes? Firstly, doctors do a job that keeps people alive, they work hard, they spend thousands on training and their job involves additional stresses caused by death etc. - don't you think these people deserve the salary they get, which allows them to buy nice things? If you didn't get injured at war it's self inflicted? Yes, you're clearly someone we should all be listening to about disability and on medical related issues... For the record, I'm more on the side of agreement on payment for parking - I think having good accessibility is important, but free parking isn't really necessary for good accessibility. The rest of your crazy uninformed rant would be hilarious, if I didn't think you actually believed your own spiel.[/p][/quote]Hooray, at least someone else has put over what I have been trying to point out on this and other stories. They can park in their bays, no problem, but only in them, not everywhere else. But, put parking meters there to pay for the privilege of doing so. All other motorist pay to generate income for maintenance and upkeep, so why not them ? Or am I wrong, yet again? Assimilation
  • Score: -2

8:55am Wed 19 Feb 14

Harry-Brown says...

Assimilation wrote:
rhetoric wrote:
All these "fake" disabled in Colchester? Why are you hate-filled posters wasting time writing on this thread?

You could protest to the appropriate authorities, with your evidence, and get these "frauds" investigated.

Actually, I suspect you have been swept away by seeing the odd fraud on morning tv programmes.

I am so surprised that Assimilation, with that great number of problems, has not been advised by medical and social authorities of the help available. One doesn't have to take money if one is so high-minded as to believe that suffering along with relative poverty is the moral way to go. There are however other means of assistance such as volunteers to make life easier in physical ways.

Under the cloak of anonymity anyone can claim any sort of handicap on this thread. Not to accept help - which need not be financial - is extreme and fanatical in not a nice way.
I see. You seem to be one of those type of persons that has to be right on every subject, and everyone else is a racist, discriminating troll ? Going by what you have just said, you are lumping the ones claiming for disablement and the non claiming disabled into one group, as you are now saying that because I do not claim, I am the same as someone who claims who does not need it?

OK what ever, your paying for it all out of your taxes. Your time will come,and will it be in an extreme and fanatical and not in a nice way??
you silly silly person!!!!

most doctors have been paid on the backs of us they never had fees

most of them earn over 100 grand a year big deal you save our lives do you really???

what about the colchester bone shop then how many of us were you saving in the last 3 years

you stood more chance of surviving D day than being in there you silly person
you think your so clever drive your mercs and your jags who cares i was saying it as an example of how silly you are
some top consultants about in old bangers and dont show their money
most of the ones with the blue badges ive seen at the disabled bays have been ethnic minority punters getting out of them but thats another argument.
you see people like you treat people like me as a bit thick...ive been a craftsman all my life i use my hands
i spent the last 20 years cleaning yep a cleaner i clean **** up
you are also indirectly saying i talk **** as well dont you mate?
dont read the mail or gaurdian or any of the poofy papers...i dont mind the sun or mirror i like the indi but as you say im too thick read it yes mate

but i had no choice but to fight along side your mum or dad or your grandparents and see 100000's of people getting killed just so people like you can spawn and call people like me names of sorts

well done wormshero these computers learn to fire a gun mate than mess about with a pc go join the TA.
fight for your country.
[quote][p][bold]Assimilation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rhetoric[/bold] wrote: All these "fake" disabled in Colchester? Why are you hate-filled posters wasting time writing on this thread? You could protest to the appropriate authorities, with your evidence, and get these "frauds" investigated. Actually, I suspect you have been swept away by seeing the odd fraud on morning tv programmes. I am so surprised that Assimilation, with that great number of problems, has not been advised by medical and social authorities of the help available. One doesn't have to take money if one is so high-minded as to believe that suffering along with relative poverty is the moral way to go. There are however other means of assistance such as volunteers to make life easier in physical ways. Under the cloak of anonymity anyone can claim any sort of handicap on this thread. Not to accept help - which need not be financial - is extreme and fanatical in not a nice way.[/p][/quote]I see. You seem to be one of those type of persons that has to be right on every subject, and everyone else is a racist, discriminating troll ? Going by what you have just said, you are lumping the ones claiming for disablement and the non claiming disabled into one group, as you are now saying that because I do not claim, I am the same as someone who claims who does not need it? OK what ever, your paying for it all out of your taxes. Your time will come,and will it be in an extreme and fanatical and not in a nice way??[/p][/quote]you silly silly person!!!! most doctors have been paid on the backs of us they never had fees most of them earn over 100 grand a year big deal you save our lives do you really??? what about the colchester bone shop then how many of us were you saving in the last 3 years you stood more chance of surviving D day than being in there you silly person you think your so clever drive your mercs and your jags who cares i was saying it as an example of how silly you are some top consultants about in old bangers and dont show their money most of the ones with the blue badges ive seen at the disabled bays have been ethnic minority punters getting out of them but thats another argument. you see people like you treat people like me as a bit thick...ive been a craftsman all my life i use my hands i spent the last 20 years cleaning yep a cleaner i clean **** up you are also indirectly saying i talk **** as well dont you mate? dont read the mail or gaurdian or any of the poofy papers...i dont mind the sun or mirror i like the indi but as you say im too thick read it yes mate but i had no choice but to fight along side your mum or dad or your grandparents and see 100000's of people getting killed just so people like you can spawn and call people like me names of sorts well done wormshero these computers learn to fire a gun mate than mess about with a pc go join the TA. fight for your country. Harry-Brown
  • Score: -4

9:22am Wed 19 Feb 14

stevedawson says...

Sound common sense again from our own alf garnett.
Sound common sense again from our own alf garnett. stevedawson
  • Score: -1

10:31am Wed 19 Feb 14

wormshero says...

I'm not calling names of any sort, merely finding what you're saying shocking - especially the idea that disability is self-inflicted unless you were injured at war, and the whole issue with people driving nice cars. For the record though, I don't feel the need to fight for my country because my country is not under attack. I also think doctors deserve the salary they get and the majority of them do a great job under a fair amount of stress. If they want to spend that money on cars who are we to judge them? Personally I don't care about how good a car is, mine cost one months salary and gets me from A to B when I need it, but I don't have a problem with those who do care. At least they're not as disgustingly overpaid as sportsmen.

And of course doctors have been paid on the backs of us, the NHS is one of the best things about this country! These days though tuition fees are paid by the students and amount to a hell of a lot of money for doctor training.
I'm not calling names of any sort, merely finding what you're saying shocking - especially the idea that disability is self-inflicted unless you were injured at war, and the whole issue with people driving nice cars. For the record though, I don't feel the need to fight for my country because my country is not under attack. I also think doctors deserve the salary they get and the majority of them do a great job under a fair amount of stress. If they want to spend that money on cars who are we to judge them? Personally I don't care about how good a car is, mine cost one months salary and gets me from A to B when I need it, but I don't have a problem with those who do care. At least they're not as disgustingly overpaid as sportsmen. And of course doctors have been paid on the backs of us, the NHS is one of the best things about this country! These days though tuition fees are paid by the students and amount to a hell of a lot of money for doctor training. wormshero
  • Score: 4

2:01pm Wed 19 Feb 14

UndergroundOverground says...

Harry-Brown wrote:
Assimilation wrote:
rhetoric wrote:
All these "fake" disabled in Colchester? Why are you hate-filled posters wasting time writing on this thread?

You could protest to the appropriate authorities, with your evidence, and get these "frauds" investigated.

Actually, I suspect you have been swept away by seeing the odd fraud on morning tv programmes.

I am so surprised that Assimilation, with that great number of problems, has not been advised by medical and social authorities of the help available. One doesn't have to take money if one is so high-minded as to believe that suffering along with relative poverty is the moral way to go. There are however other means of assistance such as volunteers to make life easier in physical ways.

Under the cloak of anonymity anyone can claim any sort of handicap on this thread. Not to accept help - which need not be financial - is extreme and fanatical in not a nice way.
I see. You seem to be one of those type of persons that has to be right on every subject, and everyone else is a racist, discriminating troll ? Going by what you have just said, you are lumping the ones claiming for disablement and the non claiming disabled into one group, as you are now saying that because I do not claim, I am the same as someone who claims who does not need it?

OK what ever, your paying for it all out of your taxes. Your time will come,and will it be in an extreme and fanatical and not in a nice way??
you silly silly person!!!!

most doctors have been paid on the backs of us they never had fees

most of them earn over 100 grand a year big deal you save our lives do you really???

what about the colchester bone shop then how many of us were you saving in the last 3 years

you stood more chance of surviving D day than being in there you silly person
you think your so clever drive your mercs and your jags who cares i was saying it as an example of how silly you are
some top consultants about in old bangers and dont show their money
most of the ones with the blue badges ive seen at the disabled bays have been ethnic minority punters getting out of them but thats another argument.
you see people like you treat people like me as a bit thick...ive been a craftsman all my life i use my hands
i spent the last 20 years cleaning yep a cleaner i clean **** up
you are also indirectly saying i talk **** as well dont you mate?
dont read the mail or gaurdian or any of the poofy papers...i dont mind the sun or mirror i like the indi but as you say im too thick read it yes mate

but i had no choice but to fight along side your mum or dad or your grandparents and see 100000's of people getting killed just so people like you can spawn and call people like me names of sorts

well done wormshero these computers learn to fire a gun mate than mess about with a pc go join the TA.
fight for your country.
What's more offensive making light of the many who lost their lives during d day landings to try and make a point or pretending to be an ex serviceman who apparently witnessed "100000's" being killed under some sort of illusion that gives you he right to make derogatory, homophobic and xenophobic remarks.
[quote][p][bold]Harry-Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Assimilation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rhetoric[/bold] wrote: All these "fake" disabled in Colchester? Why are you hate-filled posters wasting time writing on this thread? You could protest to the appropriate authorities, with your evidence, and get these "frauds" investigated. Actually, I suspect you have been swept away by seeing the odd fraud on morning tv programmes. I am so surprised that Assimilation, with that great number of problems, has not been advised by medical and social authorities of the help available. One doesn't have to take money if one is so high-minded as to believe that suffering along with relative poverty is the moral way to go. There are however other means of assistance such as volunteers to make life easier in physical ways. Under the cloak of anonymity anyone can claim any sort of handicap on this thread. Not to accept help - which need not be financial - is extreme and fanatical in not a nice way.[/p][/quote]I see. You seem to be one of those type of persons that has to be right on every subject, and everyone else is a racist, discriminating troll ? Going by what you have just said, you are lumping the ones claiming for disablement and the non claiming disabled into one group, as you are now saying that because I do not claim, I am the same as someone who claims who does not need it? OK what ever, your paying for it all out of your taxes. Your time will come,and will it be in an extreme and fanatical and not in a nice way??[/p][/quote]you silly silly person!!!! most doctors have been paid on the backs of us they never had fees most of them earn over 100 grand a year big deal you save our lives do you really??? what about the colchester bone shop then how many of us were you saving in the last 3 years you stood more chance of surviving D day than being in there you silly person you think your so clever drive your mercs and your jags who cares i was saying it as an example of how silly you are some top consultants about in old bangers and dont show their money most of the ones with the blue badges ive seen at the disabled bays have been ethnic minority punters getting out of them but thats another argument. you see people like you treat people like me as a bit thick...ive been a craftsman all my life i use my hands i spent the last 20 years cleaning yep a cleaner i clean **** up you are also indirectly saying i talk **** as well dont you mate? dont read the mail or gaurdian or any of the poofy papers...i dont mind the sun or mirror i like the indi but as you say im too thick read it yes mate but i had no choice but to fight along side your mum or dad or your grandparents and see 100000's of people getting killed just so people like you can spawn and call people like me names of sorts well done wormshero these computers learn to fire a gun mate than mess about with a pc go join the TA. fight for your country.[/p][/quote]What's more offensive making light of the many who lost their lives during d day landings to try and make a point or pretending to be an ex serviceman who apparently witnessed "100000's" being killed under some sort of illusion that gives you he right to make derogatory, homophobic and xenophobic remarks. UndergroundOverground
  • Score: 5

2:03pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Assimilation says...

wormshero says...
"For the record though, I don't feel the need to fight for my country because my country is not under attack"
Where have you been hiding or is this not your Country ?..... I.R.A.... Jihad terrorists,... Radical brainwashed home grown,... Hate preachers inciting slaughter of the western world. Need I go on ?
wormshero says... "For the record though, I don't feel the need to fight for my country because my country is not under attack" Where have you been hiding or is this not your Country ?..... I.R.A.... Jihad terrorists,... Radical brainwashed home grown,... Hate preachers inciting slaughter of the western world. Need I go on ? Assimilation
  • Score: -7

2:24pm Wed 19 Feb 14

wormshero says...

Assimilation wrote:
wormshero says...
"For the record though, I don't feel the need to fight for my country because my country is not under attack"
Where have you been hiding or is this not your Country ?..... I.R.A.... Jihad terrorists,... Radical brainwashed home grown,... Hate preachers inciting slaughter of the western world. Need I go on ?
In the context of what was said previously though, building a bigger military isn't the solution to these threats; within this country the police/intelligence service do a better job of defending us from them. This is quite off topic though.
[quote][p][bold]Assimilation[/bold] wrote: wormshero says... "For the record though, I don't feel the need to fight for my country because my country is not under attack" Where have you been hiding or is this not your Country ?..... I.R.A.... Jihad terrorists,... Radical brainwashed home grown,... Hate preachers inciting slaughter of the western world. Need I go on ?[/p][/quote]In the context of what was said previously though, building a bigger military isn't the solution to these threats; within this country the police/intelligence service do a better job of defending us from them. This is quite off topic though. wormshero
  • Score: 4

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