U's boss Dunne admits his side are in "very serious trouble"

Gazette: U's boss Dunne admits his side are in "very serious trouble" U's boss Dunne admits his side are in "very serious trouble"

COLCHESTER United boss Joe Dunne admitted his side are in “very serious trouble”.

The U’s relegation fears intensified after sliding to a fourth straight defeat this afternoon, going down 2-1 at home to Tranmere Rovers.

Freddie Sears scored the U’s goal late in the first half, cancelling out Jean-Louis Akpa Akpro’s opener.

But Ryan Lowe pounced to grab the visitors’ precious winner just after the hour-mark.

“We lost a match we should have won,” said a dejected Dunne.

“The players were really up for it and people could see that.

“We should have been three-up but continue to cause problems for ourselves.

“Our problems are self-inflicted.

“We’re running out of games and in very serious trouble.

“We’re down and being stamped on, but we haven’t been relegated yet.

“There are still lots of points left to play for and a couple of wins would still do it.

“Our character has to come through and we have to keep going.

“We haven’t dropped into the bottom four just yet and we have to keep fighting.

“We’re in a rut and it’s down to us to get out of it.

“Most teams we face will see us as an easy three points, because of the run we’re on.

“We need something dramatic to happen and we need a spark.”

For full coverage of today’s game, including more from Dunne and the thoughts of Dominic Vose, see Monday’s Daily Gazette.

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6:17pm Sat 5 Apr 14

down the line says...

Has the penny not dropped yet Joe? The problem is YOU.
Has the penny not dropped yet Joe? The problem is YOU. down the line
  • Score: 158

6:21pm Sat 5 Apr 14

United we stand says...

Col Utd were pathetic throughout the second half when the fans had the right to expect them to take the game to Tranmere, having equalised on the stroke of half-time.
The two goals that were conceded both resulted from us pressing the "self-destruct button" for the umpteenth match running.
So, once again we got what we deserved - nothing...and the horrible trap-door into league 2 opens ever wider - and it was yet another depressing afternoon at WHCS despite the best efforts of the fans to encourage the team to raise their game.
Col Utd were pathetic throughout the second half when the fans had the right to expect them to take the game to Tranmere, having equalised on the stroke of half-time. The two goals that were conceded both resulted from us pressing the "self-destruct button" for the umpteenth match running. So, once again we got what we deserved - nothing...and the horrible trap-door into league 2 opens ever wider - and it was yet another depressing afternoon at WHCS despite the best efforts of the fans to encourage the team to raise their game. United we stand
  • Score: 171

7:23pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Ozzie says...

Words simply cannot express how I feel this evening after witnessing yet another catastrophic, shambolic performance AT HOME! We got what we deserved and, as I predicted, the end of the season and League 2 is in sight. Mr Cowling has avoided the issue of the failure of the management team to secure safety and the blame has to stop with him and the board, for failing to heed the warning signs. We are now on a wing and a prayer of hope that one of the teams below us with games now in hand, on the same number of points, drop points and we pick up points. I, like many others now, are resigned to the fact we are going down and we have been going down for some weeks, months now and the chairman and board don't seem to care two hoots! Yes, the chairman is a good man investing in the club, but just after Christmas, the writing was on the wall and nothing was done. You reap what you sow. Up the U's!
Words simply cannot express how I feel this evening after witnessing yet another catastrophic, shambolic performance AT HOME! We got what we deserved and, as I predicted, the end of the season and League 2 is in sight. Mr Cowling has avoided the issue of the failure of the management team to secure safety and the blame has to stop with him and the board, for failing to heed the warning signs. We are now on a wing and a prayer of hope that one of the teams below us with games now in hand, on the same number of points, drop points and we pick up points. I, like many others now, are resigned to the fact we are going down and we have been going down for some weeks, months now and the chairman and board don't seem to care two hoots! Yes, the chairman is a good man investing in the club, but just after Christmas, the writing was on the wall and nothing was done. You reap what you sow. Up the U's! Ozzie
  • Score: 139

7:24pm Sat 5 Apr 14

BlueandWhiteBaz says...

Well Joe, I could have told you that long before now. We haven't been worth our place in league one for two seasons now and I'm not convinced it will be any better in league two either!
Well Joe, I could have told you that long before now. We haven't been worth our place in league one for two seasons now and I'm not convinced it will be any better in league two either! BlueandWhiteBaz
  • Score: 131

8:20pm Sat 5 Apr 14

We're not singing anymore!!! says...

Not sure how (or even if we deserve it) but I really hope by some miracle we can avoid going down.
If we stay up or go down, I think it's time for Joe to go. I don't doubt that you've given it your best, but sadly your best hasn't been good enough.

I'm sure someone from the 'Rose Tinted Brigade' will be able to provide stats to prove us otherwise, but this fan doesn't have his head buried in the sand.
Not sure how (or even if we deserve it) but I really hope by some miracle we can avoid going down. If we stay up or go down, I think it's time for Joe to go. I don't doubt that you've given it your best, but sadly your best hasn't been good enough. I'm sure someone from the 'Rose Tinted Brigade' will be able to provide stats to prove us otherwise, but this fan doesn't have his head buried in the sand. We're not singing anymore!!!
  • Score: 112

8:54pm Sat 5 Apr 14

crazy comments says...

Henderson ,Rose, White and Coker could all be returning to Div 1 next season with us going in the opposite direction. Strange how things can turn full circle.
Henderson ,Rose, White and Coker could all be returning to Div 1 next season with us going in the opposite direction. Strange how things can turn full circle. crazy comments
  • Score: 120

9:05pm Sat 5 Apr 14

We're not singing anymore!!! says...

Today's attendance (on a Saturday) was 3443. This is well below last years average. And I'm sure this would have included those dancing buffoons............
...... no, not the half time entertainment (I wouldn't be that rude) but the 14 players who took to the field today.

In the words of Jim Royle......."Attenda
nce not falling my A**E"
Today's attendance (on a Saturday) was 3443. This is well below last years average. And I'm sure this would have included those dancing buffoons............ ...... no, not the half time entertainment (I wouldn't be that rude) but the 14 players who took to the field today. In the words of Jim Royle......."Attenda nce not falling my A**E" We're not singing anymore!!!
  • Score: 108

9:13pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Medicated Soap says...

U’s form since February:

20. Bradford City P 14 W 04 D 03 L 07 F 14 A 19 -5 15pts (1.07 pts per game)
21. Coventry City P 14 W 04 D 03 L 07 F 16 A 24 -8 15pts (1.07 pts per game)
22. Carlisle P 13 W 03 D 04 L 06 F 09 A 14 -5 13pts (1.00 pts per game)
23. Walsall P 12 W 02 D 04 L 06 F 09 A 16 -7 10pts (0.83 pts per game)
24. Colchester P 15 W 02 D 03 L 10 F 10 A 23 -13 9pts (0.60 pts per game)

U’s form since 11th August 2013:

16. Oldham P 39 W 11 D 11 L 17 F 42 A 53 -11 44pts
17. Carlisle P 38 W 11 D 10 L 17 F 39 A 52 -13 43pts
18. Crawley P 36 W 10 D 12 L 14 F 34 A 43 -9 42pts
19. Tranmere P 38 W 11 D 09 L 18 F 45 A 64 -19 42pts
20. Crewe P 39 W 11 D 09 L 19 F 46 A 72 -26 42pts
21. Shrewsbury P 39 W 09 D 13 L 17 F 37 A 47 -10 40pts
22. Notts County P 39 W 12 D 04 L 23 F 52 A 66 -14 40pts
23. Stevenage P 39 W 10 D 09 L 20 F 37 A 56 -19 39pts
24. Colchester P 39 W 08 D 13 L 18 F 43 A 57 -14 37pts

On our current form, objectively you'd have to make us not only favourites to go down but to finish bottom of the table!

Joe Dunne and his backroom staff are hopelessly out their depth, while the players also need to shoulder a lot of the blame for far too many less than committed performances. The likes of Eastmond, Sears, and Watt have been massively overhyped and haven’t consistently shown that they’re good enough for League One football.

The buck however stops with the Chairman! In fifteen years Peter Heard and Marie Partner took Colchester United up three levels from the Conference to the Championship, while it’s taken RC a mere 8 years to take Cowling United to the brink of a second relegation and two-thirds of the way back to non-league football; hell even the much maligned Jonathan Crisp only managed to take us down one level! I cannot see the negative spiral ending at the basement division either; under the current regime of gross incompetence and staggering arrogance non-league football cannot be far away...
U’s form since February: 20. Bradford City P 14 W 04 D 03 L 07 F 14 A 19 -5 15pts (1.07 pts per game) 21. Coventry City P 14 W 04 D 03 L 07 F 16 A 24 -8 15pts (1.07 pts per game) 22. Carlisle P 13 W 03 D 04 L 06 F 09 A 14 -5 13pts (1.00 pts per game) 23. Walsall P 12 W 02 D 04 L 06 F 09 A 16 -7 10pts (0.83 pts per game) 24. Colchester P 15 W 02 D 03 L 10 F 10 A 23 -13 9pts (0.60 pts per game) U’s form since 11th August 2013: 16. Oldham P 39 W 11 D 11 L 17 F 42 A 53 -11 44pts 17. Carlisle P 38 W 11 D 10 L 17 F 39 A 52 -13 43pts 18. Crawley P 36 W 10 D 12 L 14 F 34 A 43 -9 42pts 19. Tranmere P 38 W 11 D 09 L 18 F 45 A 64 -19 42pts 20. Crewe P 39 W 11 D 09 L 19 F 46 A 72 -26 42pts 21. Shrewsbury P 39 W 09 D 13 L 17 F 37 A 47 -10 40pts 22. Notts County P 39 W 12 D 04 L 23 F 52 A 66 -14 40pts 23. Stevenage P 39 W 10 D 09 L 20 F 37 A 56 -19 39pts 24. Colchester P 39 W 08 D 13 L 18 F 43 A 57 -14 37pts On our current form, objectively you'd have to make us not only favourites to go down but to finish bottom of the table! Joe Dunne and his backroom staff are hopelessly out their depth, while the players also need to shoulder a lot of the blame for far too many less than committed performances. The likes of Eastmond, Sears, and Watt have been massively overhyped and haven’t consistently shown that they’re good enough for League One football. The buck however stops with the Chairman! In fifteen years Peter Heard and Marie Partner took Colchester United up three levels from the Conference to the Championship, while it’s taken RC a mere 8 years to take Cowling United to the brink of a second relegation and two-thirds of the way back to non-league football; hell even the much maligned Jonathan Crisp only managed to take us down one level! I cannot see the negative spiral ending at the basement division either; under the current regime of gross incompetence and staggering arrogance non-league football cannot be far away... Medicated Soap
  • Score: 129

11:17pm Sat 5 Apr 14

whoopie says...

The future dont look good , from your youth team to first team many players and coaching staff of a very low standard .
The future dont look good , from your youth team to first team many players and coaching staff of a very low standard . whoopie
  • Score: 74

11:24pm Sat 5 Apr 14

southstand says...

crazy comments wrote:
Henderson ,Rose, White and Coker could all be returning to Div 1 next season with us going in the opposite direction. Strange how things can turn full circle.
Yes with Lisbie, Mooney, Lloyd James, Halford, Perkins and Wordsworth all happily playing in the championship.
Is it me or is Sanchez Watt and Craig Eastmond no longer interested in the club?, did Watt do anything worthwhile at all?
[quote][p][bold]crazy comments[/bold] wrote: Henderson ,Rose, White and Coker could all be returning to Div 1 next season with us going in the opposite direction. Strange how things can turn full circle.[/p][/quote]Yes with Lisbie, Mooney, Lloyd James, Halford, Perkins and Wordsworth all happily playing in the championship. Is it me or is Sanchez Watt and Craig Eastmond no longer interested in the club?, did Watt do anything worthwhile at all? southstand
  • Score: 87

1:51am Sun 6 Apr 14

WEWANTGOALS says...

surely after todays performance and result no one can say joe dunne is the man for the job,he should of been sacked months ago,we deserve to be relegated we are just not good enough for this league,stick with joe dunne for another season and he take us out of the football league,your useless as a manager joe,and you have another defeat coming up next saturday
surely after todays performance and result no one can say joe dunne is the man for the job,he should of been sacked months ago,we deserve to be relegated we are just not good enough for this league,stick with joe dunne for another season and he take us out of the football league,your useless as a manager joe,and you have another defeat coming up next saturday WEWANTGOALS
  • Score: 68

6:38am Sun 6 Apr 14

seikothrill says...

I'm still confident we can avoid relegation although this confidence will be shattered if we lose at Stevenage

My big concern is that if we do stay up, the club will think all is OK when clearly things are not.

A major re-structure is required and irrespective of what League we are in I feel Joe Dunne should be replaced
I'm still confident we can avoid relegation although this confidence will be shattered if we lose at Stevenage My big concern is that if we do stay up, the club will think all is OK when clearly things are not. A major re-structure is required and irrespective of what League we are in I feel Joe Dunne should be replaced seikothrill
  • Score: -15

10:43am Sun 6 Apr 14

Noah4x4 says...

I still don't propose to sign my application to join 'Clan Negative' until after we have LOST to Stevenage, Oldham and Crewe. If you look at the fixtures of others below us; the U's still have the 'least difficult' run in; whilst others have to play each other (and hence some must drop points) and we play some of them (so these hopefully will drop points and we gain) and also others must play against sides like Wolves (where surely they will drop even more). "Safety" is still in our hands;albeit no longer comfortable (indeed it is most uncomfortable). But four/five points should still sufffice given our vast goal difference; despite the staggeringly unpredictable events of yesterday when so many below us won against the odds.

However, one must accept that it's now not looking good, but 19 shots and 6 on target was encouraging given that is more than we have accumulated in the last umpteen games and it was only a defiant Tranmere keeper Fon Williams that prevented the U's from breaking the spirit of Tranmere in the first half. Instead they broke us by two cruel goals largely against the run of play (up to that point). But even at the death; the U's were pressing hard for an equaliser that simply would not come. Frankly, we do need a striker (or two) that can put away so many golden chances.

It's time for one last effort; so hopefully we will see more than the usual loyal 300 faithful at Stevenage and Crewe? But if we do go down; it is because that is what we deserve; and with no money (Financial Fair Play) to buy better players or pay their higher wages; that might be no bad thing; as at least all the moaning and misery might stop.
I still don't propose to sign my application to join 'Clan Negative' until after we have LOST to Stevenage, Oldham and Crewe. If you look at the fixtures of others below us; the U's still have the 'least difficult' run in; whilst others have to play each other (and hence some must drop points) and we play some of them (so these hopefully will drop points and we gain) and also others must play against sides like Wolves (where surely they will drop even more). "Safety" is still in our hands;albeit no longer comfortable (indeed it is most uncomfortable). But four/five points should still sufffice given our vast goal difference; despite the staggeringly unpredictable events of yesterday when so many below us won against the odds. However, one must accept that it's now not looking good, but 19 shots and 6 on target was encouraging given that is more than we have accumulated in the last umpteen games and it was only a defiant Tranmere keeper Fon Williams that prevented the U's from breaking the spirit of Tranmere in the first half. Instead they broke us by two cruel goals largely against the run of play (up to that point). But even at the death; the U's were pressing hard for an equaliser that simply would not come. Frankly, we do need a striker (or two) that can put away so many golden chances. It's time for one last effort; so hopefully we will see more than the usual loyal 300 faithful at Stevenage and Crewe? But if we do go down; it is because that is what we deserve; and with no money (Financial Fair Play) to buy better players or pay their higher wages; that might be no bad thing; as at least all the moaning and misery might stop. Noah4x4
  • Score: -48

10:48am Sun 6 Apr 14

West Stand United says...

Shame we don't have a board of directors to give Cowling and Dunne a vote of no confidence to get rid but Cowling has made sure he'll never get booted out until he has the final say.

He has also made it clear Dunne will remain as Manager and that's the arrogance of a chairman who like Crisp knows nothing about football and will take us down.

How I wish Heard and Partner were still part of the setup.
Shame we don't have a board of directors to give Cowling and Dunne a vote of no confidence to get rid but Cowling has made sure he'll never get booted out until he has the final say. He has also made it clear Dunne will remain as Manager and that's the arrogance of a chairman who like Crisp knows nothing about football and will take us down. How I wish Heard and Partner were still part of the setup. West Stand United
  • Score: 54

11:29am Sun 6 Apr 14

25414nora says...

Yes it's another setback, I expected to win this one, 'still' Not given up the ghost yet, but it seems Lg 2 is beckoning. Maybe it's best for for the 'clan negative' on here. Human nature being what it is, and past experience, tells us: a Col United riding high in Lg 2 will 'not only' swell crowd attendances, but pacify the "FANS" with over-inflated expectations. Meanwhile us loyal 'Pukka' fans will continue to support our home town club come what may.. Up the U's.
Yes it's another setback, I expected to win this one, 'still' Not given up the ghost yet, but it seems Lg 2 is beckoning. Maybe it's best for for the 'clan negative' on here. Human nature being what it is, and past experience, tells us: a Col United riding high in Lg 2 will 'not only' swell crowd attendances, but pacify the "FANS" with over-inflated expectations. Meanwhile us loyal 'Pukka' fans will continue to support our home town club come what may.. Up the U's. 25414nora
  • Score: -40

1:18pm Sun 6 Apr 14

We're not singing anymore!!! says...

Excuse me if I don't rush to join 'Rose Tinted Brigade' but I really struggle to see where the next points are going to come from. While I have to agree that the Tranmere goalkeeper was probably the Man of the Match, I can't help but wonder if he played well or if it's just our inept capability to score. After all, he has played in 38 of their 40 league games and they have conceded 70 goals.

Both teams directly below us have a game in hand over us. Shrewsbury have only one goal difference worse than us, and the way we're conceding goals that will be wiped out sooner rather than later.

I still hope I'm wrong but as part of the Reality Clan the odds are no longer in our favour.
Excuse me if I don't rush to join 'Rose Tinted Brigade' but I really struggle to see where the next points are going to come from. While I have to agree that the Tranmere goalkeeper was probably the Man of the Match, I can't help but wonder if he played well or if it's just our inept capability to score. After all, he has played in 38 of their 40 league games and they have conceded 70 goals. Both teams directly below us have a game in hand over us. Shrewsbury have only one goal difference worse than us, and the way we're conceding goals that will be wiped out sooner rather than later. I still hope I'm wrong but as part of the Reality Clan the odds are no longer in our favour. We're not singing anymore!!!
  • Score: 58

2:52pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Bampotonian says...

Now you're gonna believe us, Now you're gonna believe us, Now you're gonna believe us, The U's are going down!!
Now you're gonna believe us, Now you're gonna believe us, Now you're gonna believe us, The U's are going down!! Bampotonian
  • Score: 41

3:57pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Medicated Soap says...

In the final five matches of the season the ‘easiest’ games are against the sides in the middle of the table with nothing left to play for, not and I repeat NOT against teams who are scrapping for their lives in the last chance saloon!

There’s nothing ‘staggering’ about teams near the bottom picking up most of their points in the final weeks of the season, since it happens every year; it’s teams who cannot up their game in the crucial run-in period who go down!
In the final five matches of the season the ‘easiest’ games are against the sides in the middle of the table with nothing left to play for, not and I repeat NOT against teams who are scrapping for their lives in the last chance saloon! There’s nothing ‘staggering’ about teams near the bottom picking up most of their points in the final weeks of the season, since it happens every year; it’s teams who cannot up their game in the crucial run-in period who go down! Medicated Soap
  • Score: 49

4:02pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Medicated Soap says...

Attendance figures per se are no longer the be all and end all of football finances; the vast modern stadia revenue streams from corporate hospitality, conferencing, concerts, etc, afford clubs of our size a significant advantage over teams with higher attendances in decrepit stadia. Indeed the advances made in moving to the Community Stadium render the U’s pre-2008 history irrelevant to discussions about the present; relegation to League Two at the WHCS is the equal to relegation to the Conference at Layer Road.

If 60% of the clubs turnover was available to the manager’s first team playing budget then we would be more than competitive in League One. However the Chairman clearly has other priories and our playing budget will be further squeezed by the funding gap caused by the failure to gain Category Two academy status. While I support youth development, it should not come at the total expense of first team affairs!

I see clan deluded are now shifting tack by trying to soften folks up for League Two. I don’t see any advantages to the drop; I fact we will almost certainly struggle in the rough and ready environs of the basement division, with the real spectre of dropping straight through into non-league calamity.

At the end of the day while our main product, the U’s first team, is purposely starved of resources by Cowling we will surely be restricted to yet another relegation battle next season regardless of whether we are in League One or Two!
Attendance figures per se are no longer the be all and end all of football finances; the vast modern stadia revenue streams from corporate hospitality, conferencing, concerts, etc, afford clubs of our size a significant advantage over teams with higher attendances in decrepit stadia. Indeed the advances made in moving to the Community Stadium render the U’s pre-2008 history irrelevant to discussions about the present; relegation to League Two at the WHCS is the equal to relegation to the Conference at Layer Road. If 60% of the clubs turnover was available to the manager’s first team playing budget then we would be more than competitive in League One. However the Chairman clearly has other priories and our playing budget will be further squeezed by the funding gap caused by the failure to gain Category Two academy status. While I support youth development, it should not come at the total expense of first team affairs! I see clan deluded are now shifting tack by trying to soften folks up for League Two. I don’t see any advantages to the drop; I fact we will almost certainly struggle in the rough and ready environs of the basement division, with the real spectre of dropping straight through into non-league calamity. At the end of the day while our main product, the U’s first team, is purposely starved of resources by Cowling we will surely be restricted to yet another relegation battle next season regardless of whether we are in League One or Two! Medicated Soap
  • Score: 57

4:03pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Medicated Soap says...

Attendance figures per se are no longer the be all and end all of football finances; the vast modern stadia revenue streams from corporate hospitality, conferencing, concerts, etc, afford clubs of our size a significant advantage over teams with higher attendances in decrepit stadia. Indeed the advances made in moving to the Community Stadium render the U’s pre-2008 history irrelevant to discussions about the present; relegation to League Two at the WHCS is the equal to relegation to the Conference at Layer Road.



If 60% of the clubs turnover was available to the manager’s first team playing budget then we would be more than competitive in League One. However the Chairman clearly has other priories and our playing budget will be further squeezed by the funding gap caused by the failure to gain Category Two academy status. While I support youth development, it should not come at the total expense of first team affairs!



I see clan deluded are now shifting tack by trying to soften folks up for League Two. I don’t see any advantages to the drop; I fact we will almost certainly struggle in the rough and ready environs of the basement division, with the real spectre of dropping straight through into non-league calamity.

At the end of the day while our main product, the U’s first team, is purposely starved of resources by Cowling we will surely be restricted to yet another relegation battle next season regardless of whether we are in League One or Two!
Attendance figures per se are no longer the be all and end all of football finances; the vast modern stadia revenue streams from corporate hospitality, conferencing, concerts, etc, afford clubs of our size a significant advantage over teams with higher attendances in decrepit stadia. Indeed the advances made in moving to the Community Stadium render the U’s pre-2008 history irrelevant to discussions about the present; relegation to League Two at the WHCS is the equal to relegation to the Conference at Layer Road. If 60% of the clubs turnover was available to the manager’s first team playing budget then we would be more than competitive in League One. However the Chairman clearly has other priories and our playing budget will be further squeezed by the funding gap caused by the failure to gain Category Two academy status. While I support youth development, it should not come at the total expense of first team affairs! I see clan deluded are now shifting tack by trying to soften folks up for League Two. I don’t see any advantages to the drop; I fact we will almost certainly struggle in the rough and ready environs of the basement division, with the real spectre of dropping straight through into non-league calamity. At the end of the day while our main product, the U’s first team, is purposely starved of resources by Cowling we will surely be restricted to yet another relegation battle next season regardless of whether we are in League One or Two! Medicated Soap
  • Score: 37

5:15pm Sun 6 Apr 14

crazy comments says...

Noah4x4 wrote:
I still don't propose to sign my application to join 'Clan Negative' until after we have LOST to Stevenage, Oldham and Crewe. If you look at the fixtures of others below us; the U's still have the 'least difficult' run in; whilst others have to play each other (and hence some must drop points) and we play some of them (so these hopefully will drop points and we gain) and also others must play against sides like Wolves (where surely they will drop even more). "Safety" is still in our hands;albeit no longer comfortable (indeed it is most uncomfortable). But four/five points should still sufffice given our vast goal difference; despite the staggeringly unpredictable events of yesterday when so many below us won against the odds.

However, one must accept that it's now not looking good, but 19 shots and 6 on target was encouraging given that is more than we have accumulated in the last umpteen games and it was only a defiant Tranmere keeper Fon Williams that prevented the U's from breaking the spirit of Tranmere in the first half. Instead they broke us by two cruel goals largely against the run of play (up to that point). But even at the death; the U's were pressing hard for an equaliser that simply would not come. Frankly, we do need a striker (or two) that can put away so many golden chances.

It's time for one last effort; so hopefully we will see more than the usual loyal 300 faithful at Stevenage and Crewe? But if we do go down; it is because that is what we deserve; and with no money (Financial Fair Play) to buy better players or pay their higher wages; that might be no bad thing; as at least all the moaning and misery might stop.
You contradicting yourself Noah. You mention the usual loyal 300 faithful fans (which I'm certainly one of) yet on here,you class me in your clan negative brigade. Which one of these am I then? I have missed no more than a home dozen games in the 59 years I have been supporting my team, plus I travel on my own accord to most away games.
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Please don't insult my intelligence or many of the other supporters on this web page by suggesting, people like you and Nora are all little goodies and far superior supporters to us other U's fans. Get a life man.
[quote][p][bold]Noah4x4[/bold] wrote: I still don't propose to sign my application to join 'Clan Negative' until after we have LOST to Stevenage, Oldham and Crewe. If you look at the fixtures of others below us; the U's still have the 'least difficult' run in; whilst others have to play each other (and hence some must drop points) and we play some of them (so these hopefully will drop points and we gain) and also others must play against sides like Wolves (where surely they will drop even more). "Safety" is still in our hands;albeit no longer comfortable (indeed it is most uncomfortable). But four/five points should still sufffice given our vast goal difference; despite the staggeringly unpredictable events of yesterday when so many below us won against the odds. However, one must accept that it's now not looking good, but 19 shots and 6 on target was encouraging given that is more than we have accumulated in the last umpteen games and it was only a defiant Tranmere keeper Fon Williams that prevented the U's from breaking the spirit of Tranmere in the first half. Instead they broke us by two cruel goals largely against the run of play (up to that point). But even at the death; the U's were pressing hard for an equaliser that simply would not come. Frankly, we do need a striker (or two) that can put away so many golden chances. It's time for one last effort; so hopefully we will see more than the usual loyal 300 faithful at Stevenage and Crewe? But if we do go down; it is because that is what we deserve; and with no money (Financial Fair Play) to buy better players or pay their higher wages; that might be no bad thing; as at least all the moaning and misery might stop.[/p][/quote]You contradicting yourself Noah. You mention the usual loyal 300 faithful fans (which I'm certainly one of) yet on here,you class me in your clan negative brigade. Which one of these am I then? I have missed no more than a home dozen games in the 59 years I have been supporting my team, plus I travel on my own accord to most away games. . Please don't insult my intelligence or many of the other supporters on this web page by suggesting, people like you and Nora are all little goodies and far superior supporters to us other U's fans. Get a life man. crazy comments
  • Score: 68

7:31pm Sun 6 Apr 14

BlueandWhiteBaz says...

Here, here CrazyI Moaning and misery felt by what Noah and Nora call clan negative equals being passionate and caring. It's a shame those running and playing for the club don't feel the same way. If they did we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.
Here, here CrazyI Moaning and misery felt by what Noah and Nora call clan negative equals being passionate and caring. It's a shame those running and playing for the club don't feel the same way. If they did we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. BlueandWhiteBaz
  • Score: 46

8:14pm Sun 6 Apr 14

totallyfootball says...

Noah4x4 wrote:
I still don't propose to sign my application to join 'Clan Negative' until after we have LOST to Stevenage, Oldham and Crewe. If you look at the fixtures of others below us; the U's still have the 'least difficult' run in; whilst others have to play each other (and hence some must drop points) and we play some of them (so these hopefully will drop points and we gain) and also others must play against sides like Wolves (where surely they will drop even more). "Safety" is still in our hands;albeit no longer comfortable (indeed it is most uncomfortable). But four/five points should still sufffice given our vast goal difference; despite the staggeringly unpredictable events of yesterday when so many below us won against the odds.

However, one must accept that it's now not looking good, but 19 shots and 6 on target was encouraging given that is more than we have accumulated in the last umpteen games and it was only a defiant Tranmere keeper Fon Williams that prevented the U's from breaking the spirit of Tranmere in the first half. Instead they broke us by two cruel goals largely against the run of play (up to that point). But even at the death; the U's were pressing hard for an equaliser that simply would not come. Frankly, we do need a striker (or two) that can put away so many golden chances.

It's time for one last effort; so hopefully we will see more than the usual loyal 300 faithful at Stevenage and Crewe? But if we do go down; it is because that is what we deserve; and with no money (Financial Fair Play) to buy better players or pay their higher wages; that might be no bad thing; as at least all the moaning and misery might stop.
Hang on in there Noah!
[quote][p][bold]Noah4x4[/bold] wrote: I still don't propose to sign my application to join 'Clan Negative' until after we have LOST to Stevenage, Oldham and Crewe. If you look at the fixtures of others below us; the U's still have the 'least difficult' run in; whilst others have to play each other (and hence some must drop points) and we play some of them (so these hopefully will drop points and we gain) and also others must play against sides like Wolves (where surely they will drop even more). "Safety" is still in our hands;albeit no longer comfortable (indeed it is most uncomfortable). But four/five points should still sufffice given our vast goal difference; despite the staggeringly unpredictable events of yesterday when so many below us won against the odds. However, one must accept that it's now not looking good, but 19 shots and 6 on target was encouraging given that is more than we have accumulated in the last umpteen games and it was only a defiant Tranmere keeper Fon Williams that prevented the U's from breaking the spirit of Tranmere in the first half. Instead they broke us by two cruel goals largely against the run of play (up to that point). But even at the death; the U's were pressing hard for an equaliser that simply would not come. Frankly, we do need a striker (or two) that can put away so many golden chances. It's time for one last effort; so hopefully we will see more than the usual loyal 300 faithful at Stevenage and Crewe? But if we do go down; it is because that is what we deserve; and with no money (Financial Fair Play) to buy better players or pay their higher wages; that might be no bad thing; as at least all the moaning and misery might stop.[/p][/quote]Hang on in there Noah! totallyfootball
  • Score: 11

8:47pm Sun 6 Apr 14

25414nora says...

BlueandWhiteBaz wrote:
Here, here CrazyI Moaning and misery felt by what Noah and Nora call clan negative equals being passionate and caring. It's a shame those running and playing for the club don't feel the same way. If they did we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.
Must be horrible being a clan negative member, Hate col u, hate the players, hate the management, poor sods probably hate themselves. Never mind keep taking the prozac and remember..always look on the bright side of life.
[quote][p][bold]BlueandWhiteBaz[/bold] wrote: Here, here CrazyI Moaning and misery felt by what Noah and Nora call clan negative equals being passionate and caring. It's a shame those running and playing for the club don't feel the same way. If they did we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.[/p][/quote]Must be horrible being a clan negative member, Hate col u, hate the players, hate the management, poor sods probably hate themselves. Never mind keep taking the prozac and remember..always look on the bright side of life. 25414nora
  • Score: -23

9:39pm Sun 6 Apr 14

BlueandWhiteBaz says...

IgNORAnce must be extremely blissful for you Nora!
IgNORAnce must be extremely blissful for you Nora! BlueandWhiteBaz
  • Score: 32

11:03pm Sun 6 Apr 14

crazy comments says...

25414nora wrote:
BlueandWhiteBaz wrote:
Here, here CrazyI Moaning and misery felt by what Noah and Nora call clan negative equals being passionate and caring. It's a shame those running and playing for the club don't feel the same way. If they did we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.
Must be horrible being a clan negative member, Hate col u, hate the players, hate the management, poor sods probably hate themselves. Never mind keep taking the prozac and remember..always look on the bright side of life.
Nora,there is a dam sight more people supporting, so called clan negative than you and Noah.
The word Hate is a word I never use, and should not be pointed at people that you know sod all about. All those things you mention regards are far below the belt. You can disagree, but at the end of the day its only football. A lot far worse things are wrong in this world. We just do not like seeing our club run in its current position, and entitled to our opinions.

It's obvious Joe is under great stress only by looking a him. He looks very gaunt through the worry of it all, and when you get like this, then it proves hard to motivate yourself, let alone others. Stress knocks your confidence and it rubs off on others. In any management you need to be strong willed and not afraid to show your authority to get respect. You also have to listen and consider others peoples views, though you might not always agree. I'm not convinced Joe has those credentials,but I still hope Joe will prove me wrong.
[quote][p][bold]25414nora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BlueandWhiteBaz[/bold] wrote: Here, here CrazyI Moaning and misery felt by what Noah and Nora call clan negative equals being passionate and caring. It's a shame those running and playing for the club don't feel the same way. If they did we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.[/p][/quote]Must be horrible being a clan negative member, Hate col u, hate the players, hate the management, poor sods probably hate themselves. Never mind keep taking the prozac and remember..always look on the bright side of life.[/p][/quote]Nora,there is a dam sight more people supporting, so called clan negative than you and Noah. The word Hate is a word I never use, and should not be pointed at people that you know sod all about. All those things you mention regards are far below the belt. You can disagree, but at the end of the day its only football. A lot far worse things are wrong in this world. We just do not like seeing our club run in its current position, and entitled to our opinions. It's obvious Joe is under great stress only by looking a him. He looks very gaunt through the worry of it all, and when you get like this, then it proves hard to motivate yourself, let alone others. Stress knocks your confidence and it rubs off on others. In any management you need to be strong willed and not afraid to show your authority to get respect. You also have to listen and consider others peoples views, though you might not always agree. I'm not convinced Joe has those credentials,but I still hope Joe will prove me wrong. crazy comments
  • Score: 38

11:23pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Bampotonian says...

'Everybody's doing their bit bar Colchester at the moment' - Steve Claridge, Football League Show 5/4/14. (referring to the teams at the bottom of League 1).
'Everybody's doing their bit bar Colchester at the moment' - Steve Claridge, Football League Show 5/4/14. (referring to the teams at the bottom of League 1). Bampotonian
  • Score: 30

12:04am Mon 7 Apr 14

West Stand United says...

Shows the Norwich Board have got more balls than Colchester by sacking Houghton with five games left.

They've made the move to try to stave off relegation, they believe sticking with a Manager under achieving will ultimately take them down.

Very brave decision but shows that they will try anything to avoid the drop.

Shame Cowling doesn't take the same stance.

I suspect Malkie Mackay will be appointed their new manager in the next couple of days but what would we get....Duguid until the end of season!
Shows the Norwich Board have got more balls than Colchester by sacking Houghton with five games left. They've made the move to try to stave off relegation, they believe sticking with a Manager under achieving will ultimately take them down. Very brave decision but shows that they will try anything to avoid the drop. Shame Cowling doesn't take the same stance. I suspect Malkie Mackay will be appointed their new manager in the next couple of days but what would we get....Duguid until the end of season! West Stand United
  • Score: 15

12:37am Mon 7 Apr 14

Boris says...

West Stand United wrote:
Shows the Norwich Board have got more balls than Colchester by sacking Houghton with five games left.

They've made the move to try to stave off relegation, they believe sticking with a Manager under achieving will ultimately take them down.

Very brave decision but shows that they will try anything to avoid the drop.

Shame Cowling doesn't take the same stance.

I suspect Malkie Mackay will be appointed their new manager in the next couple of days but what would we get....Duguid until the end of season!
The Budgies are not an example to follow. They have appointed their youth coach as their new manager. They have a few points advantage over the 18th placed team at the moment, but they have a very challenging run-in. They could well end up being relegated.
[quote][p][bold]West Stand United[/bold] wrote: Shows the Norwich Board have got more balls than Colchester by sacking Houghton with five games left. They've made the move to try to stave off relegation, they believe sticking with a Manager under achieving will ultimately take them down. Very brave decision but shows that they will try anything to avoid the drop. Shame Cowling doesn't take the same stance. I suspect Malkie Mackay will be appointed their new manager in the next couple of days but what would we get....Duguid until the end of season![/p][/quote]The Budgies are not an example to follow. They have appointed their youth coach as their new manager. They have a few points advantage over the 18th placed team at the moment, but they have a very challenging run-in. They could well end up being relegated. Boris
  • Score: -12

1:36am Mon 7 Apr 14

Noah4x4 says...

I wish some people would sit down and do some basic mathematics rather than keep promulgating the myth that the U's are already doomed (all bar the shouting)..

I reckon that the U's probably need merely FOUR points from five games to take them to 47 points and hence OUR increasingly likely safety net for 2013-14; a season in which the table points for all teams below the play-off zone are being uniquely distorted by the top five teams haven taken such a rare high percentage of points. We do NOT need the normal 51 + points to avoid the drop; and here is why...

We only need to outrun merely two of the six teams below us, or put another way, three of six teams below us must overtake us (e.g. not just catch us as we have a superior Goal Difference). So what will that take? Two wins and 49 points and the U's should be safe in the event of even some bizarre combination of OTHER results (and few rivals are going to win away at Wolves or Orient); but 47 points may be enough for the U's. Everybody other than Shrewsbury would then need at least 48 points to overtake us due to our much superior goal difference. However, getting to 48 points is not as easy as it looks for ANY of our rivals; and it's far easier for the U's to get to 47. For example; a U's win over just ONE of Stevenage or Crewe plus another draw from four games should suffice (notably as one of them has dropped 3 points); So why are so many in here accepting that relegation is already our certain destiny? Consider these maths;

If the U's do get just four more points (e.g. to 47), let's start with the reasonable assumption that Stevenage and Notts County will then require THREE wins from just five games to get them to 49 (or 48) points to have any hope of overtaking the U's and just look at their challenging fixture list. If these two teams were instead to get just two wins; they then additionally need another two (or three) draws to reach the actual necessary minimum of 48 from just five games. Either is a huge ask..Why do I say they might need 49 points and a minimum of three wins (or 2 wins + 2 draws) from five games? Remember that you can only get 0, 1 or 3 points from any game. You can't ever make five points from just two games. So these two teams are probably of little concern as they both already need a miracle to overtake us if we get just FOUR points (and look at their remaining fixture lists).

Then consider these material fixtures between FIVE of the other rivals.
Colchester v Stevenage
Crewe v Colchester
Shrewsbury v Tranmere
Crewe v Shrewsbury

Then consider who else our six rivals have to play. If you do the maths; the U's are probably safe with just one win over EITHER Stevenage or Crewe plus a point from one of four other games; but even if we don't win either of these, we still have other chances (but even I would be getting out my 'Clan Negative' application). The reason is that others MUST drop points.. One must always drop 3 or both drop 2. Then they will have to compensate for any shortfall of points (below 48) typically by beating sides like Wolves, Orient, Preston and Peterborough AWAY. By contrast, if the U's do need any extra points (e.g. beyond 47), surely we are far more likely to get them against weaker sides like Stevenage, Oldham, Crewe and Walsall (ignore Brentford!).. We don't need to beat BOTH Stevenage and Crewe to stay up but these are already 'must win' games for them.

A perverse fact is that we probably actually want Tranmere to beat Shrewsbury (or they draw or vice versa) and hence for Tranmere to overtake the U's and they stay up, because that means the only team that can conceivably overtake our goal difference (Shrewsbury) have dropped three vital points/GD and then the Shrews have to gain an extra win from a far tougher fixture with one fewer to play. But if Tranmere lose; then it is they that have to find a replacement win from amongst some tougher fixtures to get to 48 points. The teams playing each other will just cancel each other out (or one emerge stronger at the expense of all others).

One of Crewe and Shrewsbury must damage the other by taking 3 points (or both drop 2 points). So with Notts County and Stevenage almost certainly doomed; and Tranmere, Crewe and Shrewsbury all bashing the living daylights out of each other (with one dropping 3 or both dropping 2 points); if the U's get just four points (having beaten just one of Stevenage or Crewe and they too drop points); we should be 'safe'' albeit that two wins from five games would be far more certain.

The only team NOT yet mentioned (nor involved in this mini-league) is Carlisle; and they have to play Preston (a); Walsall (h); Peterborough (a); Oldham (h); Crawley (a) Wolves (a). To get to the 48 points that they might need they require five points from these six fixtures. But remember; five is a funny number that requires a win + two draws or two wins.Albeit they do have a game in hand; that is a bigger task that the U's requirement of one win + one draw considering who Carlisle must play. The facts are that at least five of six teams below us are highly likely self destruct; or two will succeed at the expense of four others. If the U's get just four points (but six would be better); they cannot all succeed; unless we start seeing in conceivable results; like Carlisle winning 4-0 at Wolves and we get beaten 0-6 by Crewe etc. Mind you, we did see some staggering results below us last weekend; and yes, we do have to get these four (to six) points; but the finish line is in sight.

What disappoints me is that so many U's fans already seem to have given up all hope; hence have "lost their passion"; yet they criticise the team for (allegedly) doing exactly the same. But if you look at the numbers above we do still have everything still to fight for. So let's please be less negative and get behind both team and manager (at least until after the Crewe game)? Four points from the next three games and we can possibly all relax and have a party.
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I wish some people would sit down and do some basic mathematics rather than keep promulgating the myth that the U's are already doomed (all bar the shouting).. I reckon that the U's probably need merely FOUR points from five games to take them to 47 points and hence OUR increasingly likely safety net for 2013-14; a season in which the table points for all teams below the play-off zone are being uniquely distorted by the top five teams haven taken such a rare high percentage of points. We do NOT need the normal 51 + points to avoid the drop; and here is why... We only need to outrun merely two of the six teams below us, or put another way, three of six teams below us must overtake us (e.g. not just catch us as we have a superior Goal Difference). So what will that take? Two wins and 49 points and the U's should be safe in the event of even some bizarre combination of OTHER results (and few rivals are going to win away at Wolves or Orient); but 47 points may be enough for the U's. Everybody other than Shrewsbury would then need at least 48 points to overtake us due to our much superior goal difference. However, getting to 48 points is not as easy as it looks for ANY of our rivals; and it's far easier for the U's to get to 47. For example; a U's win over just ONE of Stevenage or Crewe plus another draw from four games should suffice (notably as one of them has dropped 3 points); So why are so many in here accepting that relegation is already our certain destiny? Consider these maths; If the U's do get just four more points (e.g. to 47), let's start with the reasonable assumption that Stevenage and Notts County will then require THREE wins from just five games to get them to 49 (or 48) points to have any hope of overtaking the U's and just look at their challenging fixture list. If these two teams were instead to get just two wins; they then additionally need another two (or three) draws to reach the actual necessary minimum of 48 from just five games. Either is a huge ask..Why do I say they might need 49 points and a minimum of three wins (or 2 wins + 2 draws) from five games? Remember that you can only get 0, 1 or 3 points from any game. You can't ever make five points from just two games. So these two teams are probably of little concern as they both already need a miracle to overtake us if we get just FOUR points (and look at their remaining fixture lists). Then consider these material fixtures between FIVE of the other rivals. Colchester v Stevenage Crewe v Colchester Shrewsbury v Tranmere Crewe v Shrewsbury Then consider who else our six rivals have to play. If you do the maths; the U's are probably safe with just one win over EITHER Stevenage or Crewe plus a point from one of four other games; but even if we don't win either of these, we still have other chances (but even I would be getting out my 'Clan Negative' application). The reason is that others MUST drop points.. One must always drop 3 or both drop 2. Then they will have to compensate for any shortfall of points (below 48) typically by beating sides like Wolves, Orient, Preston and Peterborough AWAY. By contrast, if the U's do need any extra points (e.g. beyond 47), surely we are far more likely to get them against weaker sides like Stevenage, Oldham, Crewe and Walsall (ignore Brentford!).. We don't need to beat BOTH Stevenage and Crewe to stay up but these are already 'must win' games for them. A perverse fact is that we probably actually want Tranmere to beat Shrewsbury (or they draw or vice versa) and hence for Tranmere to overtake the U's and they stay up, because that means the only team that can conceivably overtake our goal difference (Shrewsbury) have dropped three vital points/GD and then the Shrews have to gain an extra win from a far tougher fixture with one fewer to play. But if Tranmere lose; then it is they that have to find a replacement win from amongst some tougher fixtures to get to 48 points. The teams playing each other will just cancel each other out (or one emerge stronger at the expense of all others). One of Crewe and Shrewsbury must damage the other by taking 3 points (or both drop 2 points). So with Notts County and Stevenage almost certainly doomed; and Tranmere, Crewe and Shrewsbury all bashing the living daylights out of each other (with one dropping 3 or both dropping 2 points); if the U's get just four points (having beaten just one of Stevenage or Crewe and they too drop points); we should be 'safe'' albeit that two wins from five games would be far more certain. The only team NOT yet mentioned (nor involved in this mini-league) is Carlisle; and they have to play Preston (a); Walsall (h); Peterborough (a); Oldham (h); Crawley (a) Wolves (a). To get to the 48 points that they might need they require five points from these six fixtures. But remember; five is a funny number that requires a win + two draws or two wins.Albeit they do have a game in hand; that is a bigger task that the U's requirement of one win + one draw considering who Carlisle must play. The facts are that at least five of six teams below us are highly likely self destruct; or two will succeed at the expense of four others. If the U's get just four points (but six would be better); they cannot all succeed; unless we start seeing in conceivable results; like Carlisle winning 4-0 at Wolves and we get beaten 0-6 by Crewe etc. Mind you, we did see some staggering results below us last weekend; and yes, we do have to get these four (to six) points; but the finish line is in sight. What disappoints me is that so many U's fans already seem to have given up all hope; hence have "lost their passion"; yet they criticise the team for (allegedly) doing exactly the same. But if you look at the numbers above we do still have everything still to fight for. So let's please be less negative and get behind both team and manager (at least until after the Crewe game)? Four points from the next three games and we can possibly all relax and have a party. . Noah4x4
  • Score: -38

10:48am Mon 7 Apr 14

notenough says...

We all want the best for the U's but even you must admit to the pathetic performances at home this season. Its all well and good bumming up the youth policy but when are they going to be ready for first team ? when we are bottom of div 2 ? Yes one or two have been used on and off.
I admire you for supporting home and away fixtures but a lot of supporters cannot afford the travel etc. In your own words you have only supported the club for some 10yrs and have always supported your local club where you have lived ?
To be honest I have stopped viewing the fans network site due to you taking over with your " Novels " on there.
Quite honestly you slaughtered some old geezers on the fans site who have been supporting the U's all their lives going by their comments over the past few years !
I believe we will stay up but what bothers me is next season with the same old setup.
We all want the best for the U's but even you must admit to the pathetic performances at home this season. Its all well and good bumming up the youth policy but when are they going to be ready for first team ? when we are bottom of div 2 ? Yes one or two have been used on and off. I admire you for supporting home and away fixtures but a lot of supporters cannot afford the travel etc. In your own words you have only supported the club for some 10yrs and have always supported your local club where you have lived ? To be honest I have stopped viewing the fans network site due to you taking over with your " Novels " on there. Quite honestly you slaughtered some old geezers on the fans site who have been supporting the U's all their lives going by their comments over the past few years ! I believe we will stay up but what bothers me is next season with the same old setup. notenough
  • Score: 19

11:27am Mon 7 Apr 14

totallyfootball says...

Noah, all the mathematics in the world are not going to change a thing, its now the frame of mind of the players and the motivational skills of the coaches and the manager that are going to have the final say! Save all your suggestions of what could happen because it matters not one jot, I a not resigning to what looks like the inevitable but I am struggling to see anything different.
Noah, all the mathematics in the world are not going to change a thing, its now the frame of mind of the players and the motivational skills of the coaches and the manager that are going to have the final say! Save all your suggestions of what could happen because it matters not one jot, I a not resigning to what looks like the inevitable but I am struggling to see anything different. totallyfootball
  • Score: 24

1:06pm Mon 7 Apr 14

We're not singing anymore!!! says...

How many times this season have we lost to teams that have been in the bottom 4, not the bottom 4 as it is now but in the bottom 4 at the time we played them. Quite a few, so I have no confidence in our team being up for it when it comes to these big 6 pointer games.

As for luck.......you create your own luck. Hitting the woodwork is still a miss, it count's for nothing. If we were good enough they would be going in.

I went to the opticians to try and get a pair of 'Rose Tinted' glasses but was told that only a doctor can prescribe them as you have to be disillusioned to wear them.
How many times this season have we lost to teams that have been in the bottom 4, not the bottom 4 as it is now but in the bottom 4 at the time we played them. Quite a few, so I have no confidence in our team being up for it when it comes to these big 6 pointer games. As for luck.......you create your own luck. Hitting the woodwork is still a miss, it count's for nothing. If we were good enough they would be going in. I went to the opticians to try and get a pair of 'Rose Tinted' glasses but was told that only a doctor can prescribe them as you have to be disillusioned to wear them. We're not singing anymore!!!
  • Score: 33

6:55pm Mon 7 Apr 14

DelA says...

West Stand United wrote:
Shame we don't have a board of directors to give Cowling and Dunne a vote of no confidence to get rid but Cowling has made sure he'll never get booted out until he has the final say.

He has also made it clear Dunne will remain as Manager and that's the arrogance of a chairman who like Crisp knows nothing about football and will take us down.

How I wish Heard and Partner were still part of the setup.
Cowling has full control of the club, with friends and family in evidence everywhere. He has taken the club I love from the Championship to almost and most probably L2 very soon. He at least should get in a new manager and not from within the club, someone new with new ideas an up and coming manager in the Parky vein. He has no idea how to treat the home fans, not allowed in the bar unless you are in the higher ST prices and cannot even wear club colours. End of season awards seen only if you pay top dollar. The club was a family orientated but now, you have to pay to be treated properly. Attendances down to less than 2000, but he doesn't care as he makes more with corporate do,s etc. We need a Chairman like Mr Heard with Cowlings money.
[quote][p][bold]West Stand United[/bold] wrote: Shame we don't have a board of directors to give Cowling and Dunne a vote of no confidence to get rid but Cowling has made sure he'll never get booted out until he has the final say. He has also made it clear Dunne will remain as Manager and that's the arrogance of a chairman who like Crisp knows nothing about football and will take us down. How I wish Heard and Partner were still part of the setup.[/p][/quote]Cowling has full control of the club, with friends and family in evidence everywhere. He has taken the club I love from the Championship to almost and most probably L2 very soon. He at least should get in a new manager and not from within the club, someone new with new ideas an up and coming manager in the Parky vein. He has no idea how to treat the home fans, not allowed in the bar unless you are in the higher ST prices and cannot even wear club colours. End of season awards seen only if you pay top dollar. The club was a family orientated but now, you have to pay to be treated properly. Attendances down to less than 2000, but he doesn't care as he makes more with corporate do,s etc. We need a Chairman like Mr Heard with Cowlings money. DelA
  • Score: 29

7:00pm Mon 7 Apr 14

DelA says...

Look at the players that have been let go, John White is just one, played his heart out every match and still better than we have now. Kevin Lisbie wanted to come back but was told no not good enough, how many goals has he scored? Mooney also scoring for fun, I could go on.
Look at the players that have been let go, John White is just one, played his heart out every match and still better than we have now. Kevin Lisbie wanted to come back but was told no not good enough, how many goals has he scored? Mooney also scoring for fun, I could go on. DelA
  • Score: 22

7:50pm Mon 7 Apr 14

crazy comments says...

Noah4x4 wrote:
I wish some people would sit down and do some basic mathematics rather than keep promulgating the myth that the U's are already doomed (all bar the shouting)..

I reckon that the U's probably need merely FOUR points from five games to take them to 47 points and hence OUR increasingly likely safety net for 2013-14; a season in which the table points for all teams below the play-off zone are being uniquely distorted by the top five teams haven taken such a rare high percentage of points. We do NOT need the normal 51 + points to avoid the drop; and here is why...

We only need to outrun merely two of the six teams below us, or put another way, three of six teams below us must overtake us (e.g. not just catch us as we have a superior Goal Difference). So what will that take? Two wins and 49 points and the U's should be safe in the event of even some bizarre combination of OTHER results (and few rivals are going to win away at Wolves or Orient); but 47 points may be enough for the U's. Everybody other than Shrewsbury would then need at least 48 points to overtake us due to our much superior goal difference. However, getting to 48 points is not as easy as it looks for ANY of our rivals; and it's far easier for the U's to get to 47. For example; a U's win over just ONE of Stevenage or Crewe plus another draw from four games should suffice (notably as one of them has dropped 3 points); So why are so many in here accepting that relegation is already our certain destiny? Consider these maths;

If the U's do get just four more points (e.g. to 47), let's start with the reasonable assumption that Stevenage and Notts County will then require THREE wins from just five games to get them to 49 (or 48) points to have any hope of overtaking the U's and just look at their challenging fixture list. If these two teams were instead to get just two wins; they then additionally need another two (or three) draws to reach the actual necessary minimum of 48 from just five games. Either is a huge ask..Why do I say they might need 49 points and a minimum of three wins (or 2 wins + 2 draws) from five games? Remember that you can only get 0, 1 or 3 points from any game. You can't ever make five points from just two games. So these two teams are probably of little concern as they both already need a miracle to overtake us if we get just FOUR points (and look at their remaining fixture lists).

Then consider these material fixtures between FIVE of the other rivals.
Colchester v Stevenage
Crewe v Colchester
Shrewsbury v Tranmere
Crewe v Shrewsbury

Then consider who else our six rivals have to play. If you do the maths; the U's are probably safe with just one win over EITHER Stevenage or Crewe plus a point from one of four other games; but even if we don't win either of these, we still have other chances (but even I would be getting out my 'Clan Negative' application). The reason is that others MUST drop points.. One must always drop 3 or both drop 2. Then they will have to compensate for any shortfall of points (below 48) typically by beating sides like Wolves, Orient, Preston and Peterborough AWAY. By contrast, if the U's do need any extra points (e.g. beyond 47), surely we are far more likely to get them against weaker sides like Stevenage, Oldham, Crewe and Walsall (ignore Brentford!).. We don't need to beat BOTH Stevenage and Crewe to stay up but these are already 'must win' games for them.

A perverse fact is that we probably actually want Tranmere to beat Shrewsbury (or they draw or vice versa) and hence for Tranmere to overtake the U's and they stay up, because that means the only team that can conceivably overtake our goal difference (Shrewsbury) have dropped three vital points/GD and then the Shrews have to gain an extra win from a far tougher fixture with one fewer to play. But if Tranmere lose; then it is they that have to find a replacement win from amongst some tougher fixtures to get to 48 points. The teams playing each other will just cancel each other out (or one emerge stronger at the expense of all others).

One of Crewe and Shrewsbury must damage the other by taking 3 points (or both drop 2 points). So with Notts County and Stevenage almost certainly doomed; and Tranmere, Crewe and Shrewsbury all bashing the living daylights out of each other (with one dropping 3 or both dropping 2 points); if the U's get just four points (having beaten just one of Stevenage or Crewe and they too drop points); we should be 'safe'' albeit that two wins from five games would be far more certain.

The only team NOT yet mentioned (nor involved in this mini-league) is Carlisle; and they have to play Preston (a); Walsall (h); Peterborough (a); Oldham (h); Crawley (a) Wolves (a). To get to the 48 points that they might need they require five points from these six fixtures. But remember; five is a funny number that requires a win + two draws or two wins.Albeit they do have a game in hand; that is a bigger task that the U's requirement of one win + one draw considering who Carlisle must play. The facts are that at least five of six teams below us are highly likely self destruct; or two will succeed at the expense of four others. If the U's get just four points (but six would be better); they cannot all succeed; unless we start seeing in conceivable results; like Carlisle winning 4-0 at Wolves and we get beaten 0-6 by Crewe etc. Mind you, we did see some staggering results below us last weekend; and yes, we do have to get these four (to six) points; but the finish line is in sight.

What disappoints me is that so many U's fans already seem to have given up all hope; hence have "lost their passion"; yet they criticise the team for (allegedly) doing exactly the same. But if you look at the numbers above we do still have everything still to fight for. So let's please be less negative and get behind both team and manager (at least until after the Crewe game)? Four points from the next three games and we can possibly all relax and have a party.
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Do you go to bed with all these maths going through your head.
[quote][p][bold]Noah4x4[/bold] wrote: I wish some people would sit down and do some basic mathematics rather than keep promulgating the myth that the U's are already doomed (all bar the shouting).. I reckon that the U's probably need merely FOUR points from five games to take them to 47 points and hence OUR increasingly likely safety net for 2013-14; a season in which the table points for all teams below the play-off zone are being uniquely distorted by the top five teams haven taken such a rare high percentage of points. We do NOT need the normal 51 + points to avoid the drop; and here is why... We only need to outrun merely two of the six teams below us, or put another way, three of six teams below us must overtake us (e.g. not just catch us as we have a superior Goal Difference). So what will that take? Two wins and 49 points and the U's should be safe in the event of even some bizarre combination of OTHER results (and few rivals are going to win away at Wolves or Orient); but 47 points may be enough for the U's. Everybody other than Shrewsbury would then need at least 48 points to overtake us due to our much superior goal difference. However, getting to 48 points is not as easy as it looks for ANY of our rivals; and it's far easier for the U's to get to 47. For example; a U's win over just ONE of Stevenage or Crewe plus another draw from four games should suffice (notably as one of them has dropped 3 points); So why are so many in here accepting that relegation is already our certain destiny? Consider these maths; If the U's do get just four more points (e.g. to 47), let's start with the reasonable assumption that Stevenage and Notts County will then require THREE wins from just five games to get them to 49 (or 48) points to have any hope of overtaking the U's and just look at their challenging fixture list. If these two teams were instead to get just two wins; they then additionally need another two (or three) draws to reach the actual necessary minimum of 48 from just five games. Either is a huge ask..Why do I say they might need 49 points and a minimum of three wins (or 2 wins + 2 draws) from five games? Remember that you can only get 0, 1 or 3 points from any game. You can't ever make five points from just two games. So these two teams are probably of little concern as they both already need a miracle to overtake us if we get just FOUR points (and look at their remaining fixture lists). Then consider these material fixtures between FIVE of the other rivals. Colchester v Stevenage Crewe v Colchester Shrewsbury v Tranmere Crewe v Shrewsbury Then consider who else our six rivals have to play. If you do the maths; the U's are probably safe with just one win over EITHER Stevenage or Crewe plus a point from one of four other games; but even if we don't win either of these, we still have other chances (but even I would be getting out my 'Clan Negative' application). The reason is that others MUST drop points.. One must always drop 3 or both drop 2. Then they will have to compensate for any shortfall of points (below 48) typically by beating sides like Wolves, Orient, Preston and Peterborough AWAY. By contrast, if the U's do need any extra points (e.g. beyond 47), surely we are far more likely to get them against weaker sides like Stevenage, Oldham, Crewe and Walsall (ignore Brentford!).. We don't need to beat BOTH Stevenage and Crewe to stay up but these are already 'must win' games for them. A perverse fact is that we probably actually want Tranmere to beat Shrewsbury (or they draw or vice versa) and hence for Tranmere to overtake the U's and they stay up, because that means the only team that can conceivably overtake our goal difference (Shrewsbury) have dropped three vital points/GD and then the Shrews have to gain an extra win from a far tougher fixture with one fewer to play. But if Tranmere lose; then it is they that have to find a replacement win from amongst some tougher fixtures to get to 48 points. The teams playing each other will just cancel each other out (or one emerge stronger at the expense of all others). One of Crewe and Shrewsbury must damage the other by taking 3 points (or both drop 2 points). So with Notts County and Stevenage almost certainly doomed; and Tranmere, Crewe and Shrewsbury all bashing the living daylights out of each other (with one dropping 3 or both dropping 2 points); if the U's get just four points (having beaten just one of Stevenage or Crewe and they too drop points); we should be 'safe'' albeit that two wins from five games would be far more certain. The only team NOT yet mentioned (nor involved in this mini-league) is Carlisle; and they have to play Preston (a); Walsall (h); Peterborough (a); Oldham (h); Crawley (a) Wolves (a). To get to the 48 points that they might need they require five points from these six fixtures. But remember; five is a funny number that requires a win + two draws or two wins.Albeit they do have a game in hand; that is a bigger task that the U's requirement of one win + one draw considering who Carlisle must play. The facts are that at least five of six teams below us are highly likely self destruct; or two will succeed at the expense of four others. If the U's get just four points (but six would be better); they cannot all succeed; unless we start seeing in conceivable results; like Carlisle winning 4-0 at Wolves and we get beaten 0-6 by Crewe etc. Mind you, we did see some staggering results below us last weekend; and yes, we do have to get these four (to six) points; but the finish line is in sight. What disappoints me is that so many U's fans already seem to have given up all hope; hence have "lost their passion"; yet they criticise the team for (allegedly) doing exactly the same. But if you look at the numbers above we do still have everything still to fight for. So let's please be less negative and get behind both team and manager (at least until after the Crewe game)? Four points from the next three games and we can possibly all relax and have a party. .[/p][/quote]Do you go to bed with all these maths going through your head. crazy comments
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11:58am Tue 8 Apr 14

Noah4x4 says...

Some readers might be wondering why the relevance of "three wins from five" if the target for safety for all is 50; and the gap between 43 and 50 is merely seven points. Remember that we do only have to outrun THREE of those six below us.

If the U's do get two wins from five (hence 49 points) others then need 50 to overtake us because of our goal difference. Three sides Shrewsbury, Notts County and Stevenage all need at least nine points.to reach 50. hence if they were to get only two wins in five; they then need to remain unbeaten until their seasons end (or get a third win). Shrewsbury could (in theory) do it on 49 if they can overcome the U's GD advantage. But their complication is that they must beat Tranmere. However, if they do, that then drops Tranmere into trouble. The banana skins fort others in games not involving the U's are important.

The rock bottom two already need ten and eleven points respectively to get to 50. Because any multiple of five + points is tricky e.g. you need a combination of three games or two wins to match (or exceed) five, so their task would be nigh on impossible if the U's simply get to 49 (e.g. two wins from five). One of Shrewsbury and Crewe must take points off the other (or both drop 2). Now look at Carlisle's remaining fixtures. Can you see them getting seven points?

As I have repeatedly said, we merely need to out run three and not all six teams below us; and it's going to take a bizarre set of results (like Crewe beating Wolves at Molyneux) for the U's not to be safe on 49; leaving others needing 50; but it is feasible that as few as 47 might just do it; but let's target 49 and be more comfortable.
Some readers might be wondering why the relevance of "three wins from five" if the target for safety for all is 50; and the gap between 43 and 50 is merely seven points. Remember that we do only have to outrun THREE of those six below us. If the U's do get two wins from five (hence 49 points) others then need 50 to overtake us because of our goal difference. Three sides Shrewsbury, Notts County and Stevenage all need at least nine points.to reach 50. hence if they were to get only two wins in five; they then need to remain unbeaten until their seasons end (or get a third win). Shrewsbury could (in theory) do it on 49 if they can overcome the U's GD advantage. But their complication is that they must beat Tranmere. However, if they do, that then drops Tranmere into trouble. The banana skins fort others in games not involving the U's are important. The rock bottom two already need ten and eleven points respectively to get to 50. Because any multiple of five + points is tricky e.g. you need a combination of three games or two wins to match (or exceed) five, so their task would be nigh on impossible if the U's simply get to 49 (e.g. two wins from five). One of Shrewsbury and Crewe must take points off the other (or both drop 2). Now look at Carlisle's remaining fixtures. Can you see them getting seven points? As I have repeatedly said, we merely need to out run three and not all six teams below us; and it's going to take a bizarre set of results (like Crewe beating Wolves at Molyneux) for the U's not to be safe on 49; leaving others needing 50; but it is feasible that as few as 47 might just do it; but let's target 49 and be more comfortable. Noah4x4
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7:47pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Medicated Soap says...

A basic perusal of the form of each team in the bottom eight of League One will tell anyone with a modicum of intelligence that any team left stranded on 49 points come 5pm on the 3rd of May WILL be playing in League Two next season!

That’s even before we consider that both Carlisle and Tranmere have a game in hand against Crawley, so are in effect above us in a true table!

So that's another of Noah's 691 word tirades debunked then!
A basic perusal of the form of each team in the bottom eight of League One will tell anyone with a modicum of intelligence that any team left stranded on 49 points come 5pm on the 3rd of May WILL be playing in League Two next season! That’s even before we consider that both Carlisle and Tranmere have a game in hand against Crawley, so are in effect above us in a true table! So that's another of Noah's 691 word tirades debunked then! Medicated Soap
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