Key witnesses harming murder investigation by not coming forward

Key witnesses harming murder investigation by not coming forward

Key witnesses harming murder investigation by not coming forward

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"DO the right thing and come forward."

Detectives are spending time trying to track down key witnesses following the murder of Nahid Al-Manea who could help by coming forward themselves.

Det Chief Supt Steve Worron said: “We have had a great response from members of the public but we still have not been able to identify a number of people.

“Searching for them is taking up a great deal of time and I would ask people do the right thing and come forward and contact the incident room.

“It is vital they get in touch so we can speak to them to find out what they know.”

In relation to Nahid’s murder, officers need to trace a number of people who were on the Salary Brook Trail between 10.15am and 10.45am on Tuesday, June 17.

Nahid, 31, of Woodrow Way, was walking to Essex University when she was killed.

They are:

 

- A man who is thought to have been wearing a very distinctive jacket. It is described as being an Italian designer item, it was slightly longer than waist-length, had brown buttons up the front and two pockets also with buttons. It was beige in colour, and had a belt which may or may not have had a buckle. There is a picture of a similar style coat on this page. He was seen on the Salary Brook Trail between 10.20am and 10.40am, shortly before Nahid was found.He was walking towards the Greenstead estate on the Salary Brook Trail. He is described as having thick, short black hair on the top of his ears, is aged in between his late teens to 30s, 5ft 6ins tall and was of average build.

- Two cyclists who were seen using the trail on the morning that Nahid was found. The man and woman were cycling together and may have seen Nahid after she was attacked. They were seen by a witness at 10.45am on Tuesday, June 17, coming from the direction of the university towards Greenstead on the Salary Brook Trail. The man is described as being olive skinned with dark hair. He was in his early 20s and looked tall and slim. The woman is thought to be in her 20s with long dark hair. She was wearing what has been described as a flowing pattern tiered skirt.

- A tall man in a trilby style hat who was seen in the area around the time of the murder. He is described as slim and was wearing a long dark trench style coat. His hat may have been green or dark blue and he had long dark wispy hair.

- A white man, aged between 19 and 23-years-old, with blond hair. He is thought to be English and was wearing a back pack and white headphones. Witnesses describe him as looking like a student.

- A white man also thought to be a student, who had dark, short hair. He was wearing light trousers and was using a phone.

- A black man who was wearing a forward facing cap and a back pack. He was also wearing a dark blue and yellow striped polo top.

- Two women on bikes, who were seen by the hedgerow on the Salary Brook Trail A white woman with long blonde hair, 5ft 10ins tall, of slim build and aged around 19 or 20. She is described as possibly being a foreign student.

- A young man on a bike, also seen on the Salary Brook Trail.

Anybody that has any information about the people that officers are looking to identify are asked to call the incident room on 01245 282103 or Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.

Independent charity Crimestoppers has offered a £10,000 reward for information that leads to the conviction of the person or people responsible for the murder of Nahid.

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6:20pm Mon 28 Jul 14

seikothrill says...

These constant pleas for help from the police worry me as it makes me wonder whether they have actually got anywhere with this investigation or that of the Castle Park murder
These constant pleas for help from the police worry me as it makes me wonder whether they have actually got anywhere with this investigation or that of the Castle Park murder seikothrill
  • Score: 28

6:34pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Boris says...

Months went by before they made the breakthrough in the Jay Whiston case. That was due to intimidation of witnesses. Finally one of them cracked. Let us hope that a key witness here cracks, sooner rather than later.
Most of the people that the police are looking for in this case sound as if they are students, who would have been in Colchester in mid-June but now are probably far away on their vacation. It will be a pity if they can't be traced before the new term begins.
Months went by before they made the breakthrough in the Jay Whiston case. That was due to intimidation of witnesses. Finally one of them cracked. Let us hope that a key witness here cracks, sooner rather than later. Most of the people that the police are looking for in this case sound as if they are students, who would have been in Colchester in mid-June but now are probably far away on their vacation. It will be a pity if they can't be traced before the new term begins. Boris
  • Score: 10

11:29pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Lady luck says...

I think we need to stop comparing the death of Jay Whiston to that of Nahid al Manea and James Attfield, one was a teenage party that spiralled tragically out of control, the other two appear to be random attacks, with no obvious motive or suspect, In an age where we are all so pre occupied with our own lives, it is possible that some of these 'witnesses' are unaware that they are so important to the investigation,especi
ally as many students have return home for the summer break, a publicity drive at the beginning of the new term maybe a good idea.
I think we need to stop comparing the death of Jay Whiston to that of Nahid al Manea and James Attfield, one was a teenage party that spiralled tragically out of control, the other two appear to be random attacks, with no obvious motive or suspect, In an age where we are all so pre occupied with our own lives, it is possible that some of these 'witnesses' are unaware that they are so important to the investigation,especi ally as many students have return home for the summer break, a publicity drive at the beginning of the new term maybe a good idea. Lady luck
  • Score: 6

6:59am Tue 29 Jul 14

Over G says...

Three very interesting quotes above, yes you cannot compare the Jay case to the other two:
And there is a motive, I believe these frenzied attacks are linked to very dangerous strains of Hydroponically grown drugs, being cultivated and created in and around the Borough.
The Atypical symptoms of the drugs have possibly been changed and we are now into unknown territory, as to what the side effects of these virulent untested plant substances can do, some idiots have been known to add anabolic steroids in the water to increase growth in the pumping cycle,
The near super in human strength it has taken to carry out these evil attacks, is a testament that no normal person or bog standard Joe is involved.
The perpetrator probably does not even remember what they have done. We possibly have a Jekyll and Hyde type of characteristic here.
A witness is needed that is constantly being asked for in the media, that is associated to the killer. However it is more than likely that they are ill themselves and probably off their own heads.
Police need to go undercover now at the areas of the scenes, to try and flush the murderer or murderers out. It is a dangerous call, however highly trained officers in sell defence skills could be used.
Seiko's remark about worries could be the case, if this goes into a 12 month situation, with nothing on the table.
Three very interesting quotes above, yes you cannot compare the Jay case to the other two: And there is a motive, I believe these frenzied attacks are linked to very dangerous strains of Hydroponically grown drugs, being cultivated and created in and around the Borough. The Atypical symptoms of the drugs have possibly been changed and we are now into unknown territory, as to what the side effects of these virulent untested plant substances can do, some idiots have been known to add anabolic steroids in the water to increase growth in the pumping cycle, The near super in human strength it has taken to carry out these evil attacks, is a testament that no normal person or bog standard Joe is involved. The perpetrator probably does not even remember what they have done. We possibly have a Jekyll and Hyde type of characteristic here. A witness is needed that is constantly being asked for in the media, that is associated to the killer. However it is more than likely that they are ill themselves and probably off their own heads. Police need to go undercover now at the areas of the scenes, to try and flush the murderer or murderers out. It is a dangerous call, however highly trained officers in sell defence skills could be used. Seiko's remark about worries could be the case, if this goes into a 12 month situation, with nothing on the table. Over G
  • Score: -14

9:52am Tue 29 Jul 14

Tim Baber says...

I knew a dead ringer for the red hoodie youth and it looks like that man has been eliminated. But looking at the descriptions it sounds a bit like JFK in Deely Plaza. It is as if this murder was a trial run for mind controlled assassins created with monarch programming and as a good intelligence operation there were lots of false possibilities, falls leads, options for any variations that arose and the master programmer there in a trilby even. An umbrella would have topped it all. I say this heavy with respect for the murdered woman,. But check out PPOG or P2OG who seek to inflame tensions the better to understand the networks that might then comment in social media..like this. Please see www.panopticonsecuri
ty.wordpress.com or monarch programming.com for why I think like this. There really are State sponsored special units trying to brainwash us and prove the concept and help new policies along her as in America. It gets worse. Google my name, Tim Baber, with any of the words above and watch your back with the nSA and their "Extreme Process" that builds on the work of Disney according to Fritz Springmeier. Good luck with your murder..I believe some are State permitted to test the "program" for snags before it is used against other states.
I knew a dead ringer for the red hoodie youth and it looks like that man has been eliminated. But looking at the descriptions it sounds a bit like JFK in Deely Plaza. It is as if this murder was a trial run for mind controlled assassins created with monarch programming and as a good intelligence operation there were lots of false possibilities, falls leads, options for any variations that arose and the master programmer there in a trilby even. An umbrella would have topped it all. I say this heavy with respect for the murdered woman,. But check out PPOG or P2OG who seek to inflame tensions the better to understand the networks that might then comment in social media..like this. Please see www.panopticonsecuri ty.wordpress.com or monarch programming.com for why I think like this. There really are State sponsored special units trying to brainwash us and prove the concept and help new policies along her as in America. It gets worse. Google my name, Tim Baber, with any of the words above and watch your back with the nSA and their "Extreme Process" that builds on the work of Disney according to Fritz Springmeier. Good luck with your murder..I believe some are State permitted to test the "program" for snags before it is used against other states. Tim Baber
  • Score: -19

10:01am Tue 29 Jul 14

wormshero says...

I was going to comment on Over G's comment as there is a lot of presumptions (I wouldn't say "there is a motive" and then follow that with "I believe" and then some kind of guesswork. But then Tim commented and Over's comment seem much more believable in comparison (I'd have said it were a possibility anyway, even without evidence to back it up).
Tim, take the tin foil hat off and join the real world! There's no evidence to suggest this may be state mind control, that's all pretty ridiculous.
I was going to comment on Over G's comment as there is a lot of presumptions (I wouldn't say "there is a motive" and then follow that with "I believe" and then some kind of guesswork. But then Tim commented and Over's comment seem much more believable in comparison (I'd have said it were a possibility anyway, even without evidence to back it up). Tim, take the tin foil hat off and join the real world! There's no evidence to suggest this may be state mind control, that's all pretty ridiculous. wormshero
  • Score: 6

10:17am Tue 29 Jul 14

totallyfootball says...

A lack of intuition and police intelligence (there own) is what is holding this case up, they are out of their depth by a long way and as mentioned already too much emphasis is being put on the general public to solve it for them, maybe they should just put their hands up and get the Met/Manchester involved, after all they deal with murder every day!
A lack of intuition and police intelligence (there own) is what is holding this case up, they are out of their depth by a long way and as mentioned already too much emphasis is being put on the general public to solve it for them, maybe they should just put their hands up and get the Met/Manchester involved, after all they deal with murder every day! totallyfootball
  • Score: 3

10:34am Tue 29 Jul 14

romantic says...

Lady luck wrote:
I think we need to stop comparing the death of Jay Whiston to that of Nahid al Manea and James Attfield, one was a teenage party that spiralled tragically out of control, the other two appear to be random attacks, with no obvious motive or suspect, In an age where we are all so pre occupied with our own lives, it is possible that some of these 'witnesses' are unaware that they are so important to the investigation,especi

ally as many students have return home for the summer break, a publicity drive at the beginning of the new term maybe a good idea.
I think the point Boris is making is that the Jay Whiston case came to a similar point to these cases: after a number of months, no real progress at all. But eventually witnesses came forward and the killer was identified. Whoever this is, they must live somewhere within Colchester to know these pathways and to be there at these times. Nobody lives in absolute bubble isolation: somebody out there will have a friend / son / brother / acquaintance who has been acting strangely after these murders. They may be too afraid to come forward, or feel that they will not be taken seriously, but if you are that person with these suspicions, think about what could happen.

You are right that these possible witnesses may still be unaware that they are being searched for. We all assume that this sort of thing is big news, and it is, but there are plenty of youngsters especially who literally never see the news, who don't read the local press, don't see Crimewatch. They could be students and gone for the summer, we just don't know.

The thing is, we all grow up watching TV detective shows where they always solve the murder quickly and cleverly. But real life isn't always like that. This person could be on drugs, as Over G suggests, but they are corpus mentis enough to seemingly know where the CCTV works, and to cover their tracks. My own suspicion is that they view this all as a wonderful game in which they are pulling the strings. If that is the case, then they will bide their time and strike again. People are going back to walking the isolated routes late at night. Sadly, it may only be a matter of time before this person starts looking for the next victim.
[quote][p][bold]Lady luck[/bold] wrote: I think we need to stop comparing the death of Jay Whiston to that of Nahid al Manea and James Attfield, one was a teenage party that spiralled tragically out of control, the other two appear to be random attacks, with no obvious motive or suspect, In an age where we are all so pre occupied with our own lives, it is possible that some of these 'witnesses' are unaware that they are so important to the investigation,especi ally as many students have return home for the summer break, a publicity drive at the beginning of the new term maybe a good idea.[/p][/quote]I think the point Boris is making is that the Jay Whiston case came to a similar point to these cases: after a number of months, no real progress at all. But eventually witnesses came forward and the killer was identified. Whoever this is, they must live somewhere within Colchester to know these pathways and to be there at these times. Nobody lives in absolute bubble isolation: somebody out there will have a friend / son / brother / acquaintance who has been acting strangely after these murders. They may be too afraid to come forward, or feel that they will not be taken seriously, but if you are that person with these suspicions, think about what could happen. You are right that these possible witnesses may still be unaware that they are being searched for. We all assume that this sort of thing is big news, and it is, but there are plenty of youngsters especially who literally never see the news, who don't read the local press, don't see Crimewatch. They could be students and gone for the summer, we just don't know. The thing is, we all grow up watching TV detective shows where they always solve the murder quickly and cleverly. But real life isn't always like that. This person could be on drugs, as Over G suggests, but they are corpus mentis enough to seemingly know where the CCTV works, and to cover their tracks. My own suspicion is that they view this all as a wonderful game in which they are pulling the strings. If that is the case, then they will bide their time and strike again. People are going back to walking the isolated routes late at night. Sadly, it may only be a matter of time before this person starts looking for the next victim. romantic
  • Score: 5

10:41am Tue 29 Jul 14

totallyfootball says...

Maybe these alleged witnesses are actually suspects?
Maybe these alleged witnesses are actually suspects? totallyfootball
  • Score: 9

10:52am Tue 29 Jul 14

romantic says...

Tim Baber wrote:
I knew a dead ringer for the red hoodie youth and it looks like that man has been eliminated. But looking at the descriptions it sounds a bit like JFK in Deely Plaza. It is as if this murder was a trial run for mind controlled assassins created with monarch programming and as a good intelligence operation there were lots of false possibilities, falls leads, options for any variations that arose and the master programmer there in a trilby even. An umbrella would have topped it all. I say this heavy with respect for the murdered woman,. But check out PPOG or P2OG who seek to inflame tensions the better to understand the networks that might then comment in social media..like this. Please see www.panopticonsecuri

ty.wordpress.com or monarch programming.com for why I think like this. There really are State sponsored special units trying to brainwash us and prove the concept and help new policies along her as in America. It gets worse. Google my name, Tim Baber, with any of the words above and watch your back with the nSA and their "Extreme Process" that builds on the work of Disney according to Fritz Springmeier. Good luck with your murder..I believe some are State permitted to test the "program" for snags before it is used against other states.
Tim Baber, I always try to read around a bit before making my mind up, and therefore spent a bit of time checking your website out. You may well feel that the NSA/NWO/Illuminati/C
IA/Disney Mafia is watching every word, but I really do believe they would not see any threat in a retired librarian who has spent his years building a world-view seemingly centered around the connection between beach huts and state mind control.

I assume that you have contacted Essex Police and let them know your theory? Sadly, you probably have done.

These are real murders of real people. Whoever this is, they are not some sort of state-controlled automaton. But thanks for giving me a laugh on a Tuesday morning!
[quote][p][bold]Tim Baber[/bold] wrote: I knew a dead ringer for the red hoodie youth and it looks like that man has been eliminated. But looking at the descriptions it sounds a bit like JFK in Deely Plaza. It is as if this murder was a trial run for mind controlled assassins created with monarch programming and as a good intelligence operation there were lots of false possibilities, falls leads, options for any variations that arose and the master programmer there in a trilby even. An umbrella would have topped it all. I say this heavy with respect for the murdered woman,. But check out PPOG or P2OG who seek to inflame tensions the better to understand the networks that might then comment in social media..like this. Please see www.panopticonsecuri ty.wordpress.com or monarch programming.com for why I think like this. There really are State sponsored special units trying to brainwash us and prove the concept and help new policies along her as in America. It gets worse. Google my name, Tim Baber, with any of the words above and watch your back with the nSA and their "Extreme Process" that builds on the work of Disney according to Fritz Springmeier. Good luck with your murder..I believe some are State permitted to test the "program" for snags before it is used against other states.[/p][/quote]Tim Baber, I always try to read around a bit before making my mind up, and therefore spent a bit of time checking your website out. You may well feel that the NSA/NWO/Illuminati/C IA/Disney Mafia is watching every word, but I really do believe they would not see any threat in a retired librarian who has spent his years building a world-view seemingly centered around the connection between beach huts and state mind control. I assume that you have contacted Essex Police and let them know your theory? Sadly, you probably have done. These are real murders of real people. Whoever this is, they are not some sort of state-controlled automaton. But thanks for giving me a laugh on a Tuesday morning! romantic
  • Score: 4

2:50pm Tue 29 Jul 14

jut1972 says...

By choosing to not come forward aren't they wasting police time which is a criminal act?
By choosing to not come forward aren't they wasting police time which is a criminal act? jut1972
  • Score: -9

9:08pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Navajo wife says...

Tim, what on earth are you rambling about. DISNEY...WHY are we in the USA always brought into things.I will say it again, if you are not a Homicide detective,.you really don't know what it takes. Since I am not there I can't comment on your detectives work. However, I CAN tell you it's not an easy job. I have no idea what your ramblings mean and I do not say this to be mean. What I can say, is that our San Francisco homivide detectives are top notch, but even they hit a block now and then. Listen to the other posts Tim, you may be quite surprised at what you learn. There aresome very smart ppeople in Colchester.
Tim, what on earth are you rambling about. DISNEY...WHY are we in the USA always brought into things.I will say it again, if you are not a Homicide detective,.you really don't know what it takes. Since I am not there I can't comment on your detectives work. However, I CAN tell you it's not an easy job. I have no idea what your ramblings mean and I do not say this to be mean. What I can say, is that our San Francisco homivide detectives are top notch, but even they hit a block now and then. Listen to the other posts Tim, you may be quite surprised at what you learn. There aresome very smart ppeople in Colchester. Navajo wife
  • Score: 0

11:17pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Assimilation says...

Why is everyone under the assumption that these murders have been done by the same person ?
Like I have said on other threads for this, the Nahid al Manea murder could have been an honour killing with the ideal opportunity to make it look like the same as the James Attfield murder, by the same person.
The perfect cover.
Why is everyone under the assumption that these murders have been done by the same person ? Like I have said on other threads for this, the Nahid al Manea murder could have been an honour killing with the ideal opportunity to make it look like the same as the James Attfield murder, by the same person. The perfect cover. Assimilation
  • Score: -4

8:18am Wed 30 Jul 14

Oliver Guiness says...

totallyfootball wrote:
A lack of intuition and police intelligence (there own) is what is holding this case up, they are out of their depth by a long way and as mentioned already too much emphasis is being put on the general public to solve it for them, maybe they should just put their hands up and get the Met/Manchester involved, after all they deal with murder every day!
And how the busy solve crimes??? most of the time from information from the public / witnesses or forensic evidence, if there is any and the criminal in already on databases.

So how would you solve it without these?
[quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: A lack of intuition and police intelligence (there own) is what is holding this case up, they are out of their depth by a long way and as mentioned already too much emphasis is being put on the general public to solve it for them, maybe they should just put their hands up and get the Met/Manchester involved, after all they deal with murder every day![/p][/quote]And how the busy solve crimes??? most of the time from information from the public / witnesses or forensic evidence, if there is any and the criminal in already on databases. So how would you solve it without these? Oliver Guiness
  • Score: -2

8:31am Wed 30 Jul 14

totallyfootball says...

Oliver Guiness wrote:
totallyfootball wrote:
A lack of intuition and police intelligence (there own) is what is holding this case up, they are out of their depth by a long way and as mentioned already too much emphasis is being put on the general public to solve it for them, maybe they should just put their hands up and get the Met/Manchester involved, after all they deal with murder every day!
And how the busy solve crimes??? most of the time from information from the public / witnesses or forensic evidence, if there is any and the criminal in already on databases.

So how would you solve it without these?
With descent detective initiative and good old fashion police nouse, something the Essex police force sadly lacks! Since the introduction of Mr Kavanagh and Mr Alston crime has increased and crime rate has increased in the county, I rest my case!
[quote][p][bold]Oliver Guiness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: A lack of intuition and police intelligence (there own) is what is holding this case up, they are out of their depth by a long way and as mentioned already too much emphasis is being put on the general public to solve it for them, maybe they should just put their hands up and get the Met/Manchester involved, after all they deal with murder every day![/p][/quote]And how the busy solve crimes??? most of the time from information from the public / witnesses or forensic evidence, if there is any and the criminal in already on databases. So how would you solve it without these?[/p][/quote]With descent detective initiative and good old fashion police nouse, something the Essex police force sadly lacks! Since the introduction of Mr Kavanagh and Mr Alston crime has increased and crime rate has increased in the county, I rest my case! totallyfootball
  • Score: 1

3:42pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Oliver Guiness says...

totallyfootball wrote:
Oliver Guiness wrote:
totallyfootball wrote:
A lack of intuition and police intelligence (there own) is what is holding this case up, they are out of their depth by a long way and as mentioned already too much emphasis is being put on the general public to solve it for them, maybe they should just put their hands up and get the Met/Manchester involved, after all they deal with murder every day!
And how the busy solve crimes??? most of the time from information from the public / witnesses or forensic evidence, if there is any and the criminal in already on databases.

So how would you solve it without these?
With descent detective initiative and good old fashion police nouse, something the Essex police force sadly lacks! Since the introduction of Mr Kavanagh and Mr Alston crime has increased and crime rate has increased in the county, I rest my case!
But what does that actually mean? Nothing.

Policing only works with evidence / witnesses / tip offs.
[quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oliver Guiness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: A lack of intuition and police intelligence (there own) is what is holding this case up, they are out of their depth by a long way and as mentioned already too much emphasis is being put on the general public to solve it for them, maybe they should just put their hands up and get the Met/Manchester involved, after all they deal with murder every day![/p][/quote]And how the busy solve crimes??? most of the time from information from the public / witnesses or forensic evidence, if there is any and the criminal in already on databases. So how would you solve it without these?[/p][/quote]With descent detective initiative and good old fashion police nouse, something the Essex police force sadly lacks! Since the introduction of Mr Kavanagh and Mr Alston crime has increased and crime rate has increased in the county, I rest my case![/p][/quote]But what does that actually mean? Nothing. Policing only works with evidence / witnesses / tip offs. Oliver Guiness
  • Score: 1

12:03am Thu 31 Jul 14

colchlad says...

It's really sad, worrying and embarrassing that such acts can occur twice in public places and the police clearly do not have a clue.
It's really sad, worrying and embarrassing that such acts can occur twice in public places and the police clearly do not have a clue. colchlad
  • Score: 5

3:37pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Jess Jephcott says...

We don't even have a photograph of the murdered woman. It is as if she never existed. It had to be a professional job surely. As to the murder in the Castle Park, that looks decidedly dodgy and quite different. What was the man doing there at that time of night? I thought the park was locked at night. There has to be more to that murder than we have been told. The worrying thing is knowing whether the killer has moved on someplace else or whether he is planning his next attack - or possibly this was a once only murder that he will ever do. But surely the police must have a DNA lead.
We don't even have a photograph of the murdered woman. It is as if she never existed. It had to be a professional job surely. As to the murder in the Castle Park, that looks decidedly dodgy and quite different. What was the man doing there at that time of night? I thought the park was locked at night. There has to be more to that murder than we have been told. The worrying thing is knowing whether the killer has moved on someplace else or whether he is planning his next attack - or possibly this was a once only murder that he will ever do. But surely the police must have a DNA lead. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: 3

7:21pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Navajo wife says...

Jess you make some excellent points.WHY has a photo of Nahid not been posted. And,.does England not have a national DNA data base so that any blood etc.from all of those knives found not tested..I'm sorry but I see s lot of things in this investigation that just don't seem to add up...or have I been retired too long.
Jess you make some excellent points.WHY has a photo of Nahid not been posted. And,.does England not have a national DNA data base so that any blood etc.from all of those knives found not tested..I'm sorry but I see s lot of things in this investigation that just don't seem to add up...or have I been retired too long. Navajo wife
  • Score: 3

9:14am Fri 1 Aug 14

romantic says...

Couple of points from above. Jess, the first murder was not in Castle Park, it was on the path which goes alongside the river. Not in the locked part. We don't know what he was doing there, whether on the way home or gone out for an early walk (as he was known to do quite often).

Navajo wife, "England" (Britain) does not have a national DNA database, although DNA is sampled from anybody who is arrested. DNA evidence is very useful, but has to have some back-up evidence. If there's a 1 in a million match, that is still 60 matches in the UK. Obviously, I don't know everything that the police know in this case, but DNA would only be of use if any was on the victim's body or on the weapon. Trouble is, just one pond yielded up 30-40 knives, after the second murder. If DNA is found, it may be that everybody locally has to be tested - but then how locally? I live within 2 miles of both murders, but so do probably 50,000 other people, and what if it's a student who's now left? I think when somebody is caught for this, the DNA evidence from one of those knives might be a back-up proof.

Whether it's a professional job, we just don't know. Whether it's one killer or two different ones, we just don 't know. The police are under pressure to solve these cases, but can't do much without evidence.
Couple of points from above. Jess, the first murder was not in Castle Park, it was on the path which goes alongside the river. Not in the locked part. We don't know what he was doing there, whether on the way home or gone out for an early walk (as he was known to do quite often). Navajo wife, "England" (Britain) does not have a national DNA database, although DNA is sampled from anybody who is arrested. DNA evidence is very useful, but has to have some back-up evidence. If there's a 1 in a million match, that is still 60 matches in the UK. Obviously, I don't know everything that the police know in this case, but DNA would only be of use if any was on the victim's body or on the weapon. Trouble is, just one pond yielded up 30-40 knives, after the second murder. If DNA is found, it may be that everybody locally has to be tested - but then how locally? I live within 2 miles of both murders, but so do probably 50,000 other people, and what if it's a student who's now left? I think when somebody is caught for this, the DNA evidence from one of those knives might be a back-up proof. Whether it's a professional job, we just don't know. Whether it's one killer or two different ones, we just don 't know. The police are under pressure to solve these cases, but can't do much without evidence. romantic
  • Score: 4

10:32pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Navajo wife says...

Romantic, as usual my dear you make some good points. If DNA is taken from every arrestee, you have a Data base. I dont know how they try to match it there, we put it in a little machine and it checks millions and we hope theres a match. No two people have the same DNA just as no two people have the same finger prints.It wouldn't take much for the government to set it up, like our CODIS and a lot more crimes would be solved. But, I completely understand your comments honey.I DO enjoy them. Have a great weekend we are scorching....again.I pray both of these crimes will.soon be solved and both families have closure. Hi to all in my hometown...
Romantic, as usual my dear you make some good points. If DNA is taken from every arrestee, you have a Data base. I dont know how they try to match it there, we put it in a little machine and it checks millions and we hope theres a match. No two people have the same DNA just as no two people have the same finger prints.It wouldn't take much for the government to set it up, like our CODIS and a lot more crimes would be solved. But, I completely understand your comments honey.I DO enjoy them. Have a great weekend we are scorching....again.I pray both of these crimes will.soon be solved and both families have closure. Hi to all in my hometown... Navajo wife
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12:41am Sat 2 Aug 14

Navajo wife says...

We have been sitting here discussing this. Why are there 100 cops on this, what are they doing. They can't be sorting through evidence....if there was this much evidence the cases would be solved. As I said before, there are many things that just do not add up. We have had eleven homicides this year, so far, and all solved.NO NOT BOASTING. There are some important things being kept from the public on these two cases, for.sure. I know that Scotland Yard has top notch homicide detectives. If there are over one hundred working this case, then what are they doing day after day..
We have been sitting here discussing this. Why are there 100 cops on this, what are they doing. They can't be sorting through evidence....if there was this much evidence the cases would be solved. As I said before, there are many things that just do not add up. We have had eleven homicides this year, so far, and all solved.NO NOT BOASTING. There are some important things being kept from the public on these two cases, for.sure. I know that Scotland Yard has top notch homicide detectives. If there are over one hundred working this case, then what are they doing day after day.. Navajo wife
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1:38am Sun 3 Aug 14

Navajo wife says...

Romantic, just a thought, but nothing has been mentioned regarding defensive wounds. NO ONE would just stand there, or lie down, and let someone stab them without putting up some kind of fight.And, have the wounds been, knife size, type etc. Been matched or discussed.hmmmmm
Romantic, just a thought, but nothing has been mentioned regarding defensive wounds. NO ONE would just stand there, or lie down, and let someone stab them without putting up some kind of fight.And, have the wounds been, knife size, type etc. Been matched or discussed.hmmmmm Navajo wife
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1:58pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Boris says...

Navajo wife wrote:
Jess you make some excellent points.WHY has a photo of Nahid not been posted. And,.does England not have a national DNA data base so that any blood etc.from all of those knives found not tested..I'm sorry but I see s lot of things in this investigation that just don't seem to add up...or have I been retired too long.
If you google Nahid's name you will see numerous photos, but it is not clear whether any of these are of Nahid. At least one turns out to be of Shazia Arshad, a journalist on Middle East Monitor who reported on the murder.
it is possible that, since she always wore the hijab when she went out, the police felt a photo would not help. Maybe no photo of her was available in Colchester for them to publish in the days following her murder. But the police have been over to Saudi Arabia to interview the family, so they could have asked for photos of her then.
[quote][p][bold]Navajo wife[/bold] wrote: Jess you make some excellent points.WHY has a photo of Nahid not been posted. And,.does England not have a national DNA data base so that any blood etc.from all of those knives found not tested..I'm sorry but I see s lot of things in this investigation that just don't seem to add up...or have I been retired too long.[/p][/quote]If you google Nahid's name you will see numerous photos, but it is not clear whether any of these are of Nahid. At least one turns out to be of Shazia Arshad, a journalist on Middle East Monitor who reported on the murder. it is possible that, since she always wore the hijab when she went out, the police felt a photo would not help. Maybe no photo of her was available in Colchester for them to publish in the days following her murder. But the police have been over to Saudi Arabia to interview the family, so they could have asked for photos of her then. Boris
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6:15pm Sun 3 Aug 14

JohnStang says...

Went to a barbeque last night and came home at 1am. Walking through Riverside estate was an absolute joke. So dark that I literally could not see my hand in front of my face. I stumbled and nearly broke my ankle at one point. Even forgetting about the criminal aspect, it is just not safe to have every single light turned off. I barely could find my way home as its difficult to see where I was going. I don't see how the council can legally get away with it.
Went to a barbeque last night and came home at 1am. Walking through Riverside estate was an absolute joke. So dark that I literally could not see my hand in front of my face. I stumbled and nearly broke my ankle at one point. Even forgetting about the criminal aspect, it is just not safe to have every single light turned off. I barely could find my way home as its difficult to see where I was going. I don't see how the council can legally get away with it. JohnStang
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