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Colchester's bid for city status

Ben Locker and Wendy Bailey unveil the application Ben Locker and Wendy Bailey unveil the application

THE official application to make Colchester a city has been unveiled.

A small group of volunteers, led by community group Destination Colchester, has drawn up a document extolling the borough’s virtues.

Later this month, it will be submitted to a competition to become the nation’s next city. It is being run as part of the Queen’s Diamond Jubilee celebrations next year.

Wendy Bailey, Destination Colchester deputy chairman, said the borough already had everything expected of a city and could only benefit from success.

She said: “Being a city would give us the advantages of raising our profile to attract businesses, visitors, entrepreneurs and small to medium-sized companies, who would want to come and enjoy what we enjoy.

“We have everything a modern city can offer in the way of entertainment, culture, history, heritage and beautiful surroundings for a family to live.

“This is just about standing up and saying Colchester is the best place to live, and deserves to be a city.”

Some have raised concerns if the bid were successful, the whole borough, including towns and villages like Wivenhoe and Dedham, would become part of Colchester city.

But Mrs Bailey insisted the rural charms surrounding Colchester were key to success.

She said: “There is nothing to fear. Nothing would change, other than we would be recognised for what we already are – Britain’s First city.

“This is the X Factor that Colchester needs to thrive in the future.” She added: “This is a community-led bid, which has not cost any money.

“Everybody is giving their time and expertise for nothing, because they value the town and want to see it win.

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“I’m so excited because I think it truly reflects the fact Colchester is Britain’s first city and it should be recognised as such.”

The bid document will be rubber-stamped at Colchester Council’s meeting next Wednesday.

It will then be sent to the Office of Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg.

Colchester will find out next year if it has beaten Southend and Chelmsford in the contest to become the UK’s next city.

ROMANS GOT IT RIGHT...NOW WE WANT TO RECAPTURE OUR CROWN

COLCHESTER’S bid is centred on a belief Britain’s oldest recorded town was also its first city.

The introduction to the application says that in AD50, shortly after Camulodunum was conquered by the Romans, it was named Colonia Victricensis – city of victory – and became the administrative capital of Britain.

Although much of Colchester’s history survives in the town – the Roman chariot circus, the Norman castle and the Roman walls – it has lost its status as a city.

But the application, drawn up by professional copywriter Ben Locker, insists: “Colchester’s bid isn’t simply about recognition of its history or achievements.

“Colchester is a self-confident borough that has evolved into a modern city.”

The document highlights aspects of life in the borough which, Destination Colchester says, show why it is suitable to be a city.

For a start, Colchester’s status as the country’s fastest-growing borough shows its popularity.

The community group says along with the town’s heritage, shops and hotels make Colchester a popular tourist destination, as do green spaces like Castle Park and High Woods Country Park.

Its status is boosted by the fact it is a major garrison town and home to Essex University, where an Institute for Democracy and Conflict Resolution is to be built.

The bid also sets out the town’s prominent businesses, small and large, and the variety of voluntary groups helping residents.

Looking to the future, the St Botolph’s area is becoming a cultural quarter, which will supplement attractions such as the Mercury Theatre, Colchester Arts Centre and the new, but controversial, Firstsite arts centre.

Finally, along with Colchester United’s match days at the Weston Homes Community Stadium, major events include Colchester Free Festival and the annual carnival.

The bid concludes by saying Colchester is already evolving into a 21st century city.

It says: “Yes, we’re growing. Yes, we have an international outlook.

“Yes, we’re home to a leading university and a major garrison.

“And yes, our private sector is expanding to meet the needs of today’s economy.

“But the real reason we believe we’re a city is because we’ve started to think of ourselves as belonging to one.”

To view pages from the city bid document, click here

Comments(59)

Sdapeze says...
5:50pm Thu 12 May 11

I would have been happier with this bid had it been put to a vote. Personally I like being a town but would accept the majority view.

jake t says...
6:06pm Thu 12 May 11

Colchester IS the oldest recorded TOWN not a city!!!!.Why?????

Whiplash86 says...
10:09pm Thu 12 May 11

Colchester is only "Britain's oldest recorded TOWN" because it has been marketed that way. The fact is, Colchester was the first Roman city, their capital city, and a city of major importance to them, and I see no reason why Colchester, given it's expanding nature and scope of what it now offers, can't be named a city.

romantic says...
11:31pm Thu 12 May 11

with sdapeze on this. I fear a year of pushing city status is a diversion from more important issues. A vote on it would have been nice - but then how do you condense anything to a simple Yes/No answer?

Boris says...
12:01am Fri 13 May 11

Who would have organised the vote? How much would that have cost? Not very practical. CBC could not have organised it because it has a track record of organising consultations and then ignoring the results.

Boris says...
12:38am Fri 13 May 11

Looking at the City Bid Document, I see it is heavy on the VAF (all promise as yet, and no substance), on vapid phrases such as "cultural quarter", and on endorsements from such luminaries as Rafael Viñoly. The list of notable Colchester residents shows that, with the exception of William Gilberd, we are a pretty ordinary lot.
It has been no doubt an interesting exercise for those involved, but Colchester must surely be a rank outsider in the race for this rather meaningless courtesy title.
Anyway, it is a relief to know that no councillors or council officers have been involved in this bid, and therefore that they have not been distracted from their important duties.

Speaker182 says...
12:39am Fri 13 May 11

I agree with Whiplash86. It is an error of history that Colchester is no longer accepted as a city.
Destination Colchester and other organisations / businesses have put together a bid - and all without using Taxpayers' money and with their own time, experience and judgement.
Colchester has enough going for it that it should be classified as 'city', despite these fears that being a city instead of a town will suddenly create a wave of development (which may i add IS and WILL, continue regardless of what Colchester is called).
Well done to Destination Colchester and everybody else who've chosen to represent your town - you deserve for the bid to win!!!

kris1062 says...
1:39pm Sat 14 May 11

Here it is again. A story in the paper where only a minority who live in la la land, thinking that Colchester should become a city. Even though it is just a bid. We should not go looking backwards to what them foreigners (Romans) did way back then. We need to look forward to what we Brits can do for this Town!
Let us stop wasting tax payers money on dribble, and let us use it on making Colchester a better and safe place to live!
Being a city is not going to bring in anything. No tourists or even employers are going to flock here to this dump.
Nothing nice here to come and see. Not in the right place for employers either.

ShallowRemarks says...
4:48pm Sat 14 May 11

Cant they get it into their thick skulls we don't wont a bl**dy city status.

kris1062 says...
5:39pm Sat 14 May 11

Them are my words too.
It is not wanted or needed.
All these wigs that say they have given their time for free to this. Are either stupid or are living with their rear ends up somewhere. They say that they are doing it all for the good.
But be honest. They are only wanting this for what they can gain, to fill their own pockets.
Even if we would get the bid. Their would only be one change in it for us. More taxes and less income. And for them in office. More income and more free food and hotel beds etc, that we too have to pay for.
NO NO NO TO THIS DUMB FOLLY

Speaker182 says...
12:24am Sun 15 May 11

kris1062 wrote:
Them are my words too. It is not wanted or needed. All these wigs that say they have given their time for free to this. Are either stupid or are living with their rear ends up somewhere. They say that they are doing it all for the good. But be honest. They are only wanting this for what they can gain, to fill their own pockets. Even if we would get the bid. Their would only be one change in it for us. More taxes and less income. And for them in office. More income and more free food and hotel beds etc, that we too have to pay for. NO NO NO TO THIS DUMB FOLLY
Whoa!
Destination Colchester actually stand up to help make the town a better place, whereas all you've done is moan about how bad it is!
Destination Colchester (the group in charge of the bid) helped to save the Roman Circus too, or have you forgotten that?
What will you get out of it?
You would live in Britain's newest city, with the eyes of the nation cast on Colchester - it's called civic pride, try showing it some time!

kris1062 says...
12:56am Sun 15 May 11

Live in this countrys newest city huh.
Have the rest of the country look at us in aw.
Well if you believe that dribble, then your just as nuts as the dumb nuts that think that being a city is for the good.
When are you going to get into reality and face up to what is going on in this country.
On one.side we have people wanting to live in the dark ages.
People that are sh scared to get into the 21st centry.
Then there are thoughs that walk with their eyes closed and believe all the garbage that gets put before them.
Wake up speaker and stop living such la la.
If you believe that being a city is going to bring in such a real difference. Then your living in such a la la state, that you are no longer able to see what is going on.
This country gives out billions a year to other countrys. But has nothing in the kitty for this. It can't even keep it's borders shut, too all these foreigners cause of Brussels and them human rights nuts.
We as brits should stand up to the government and council people and tell them. That enough is enough, of all this money wasting, and let us turn this country into what it should be.
Stop all this b.s. about Colchester, making it a city.
It never was and should never be so!
Just cause the romans came here and re named it. Just not give you or anybody in office the right to waste my money on such dribble. Stop living in the past and let us move forward.
If you want more jobs, then we have to make employers open their eyes. They got to stop using foreign workers to save money to make more money. This country should be for brits.
Close our borders and make imigration just as hard as it is in Canada or USA.

6079 Smith W says...
11:39am Sun 15 May 11

May I correct an historical inaccuracy? The Romans didn't make Colchester a city, it was already the centre of power before their arrival for Cunobelin. He most certainly wasn't a 'foreigner', he was a Celt, the original, ancient Britons.

kris1062 says...
12:14pm Sun 15 May 11

But if you were to go and look back in your history and geography books. Then you will also find that Colchester was no bigger than one horse town, back when the romans or celts came down here.
If this place was a city, then it would be a city today.
But it is a town and should remain so for no other reason.
Like I said before. If we want to make something good of this place.
Then let us wake up the employers that think foreign workers are better than our own.
The borders should be shut. Illegal foreigners should be turned away from here.
Imigration should be made like it is in USA, Canada and down under.
Only then will there be more work available and proper British products coming out of here. Then and only then, migjt we get the eyes of this nation looking at us.
So like I said. Stop this b.s. about making Colchester a city. Stop this time and money wasting. Stop these people in office, filling their wallets with OUR money for their own proffit.
OPEN your eyes to real matters that count. Real matters that will proffit all us Brits.
Once that is done. Tjen and only then can we start to look further.
This country used to be able to run. We used to be a super power. Had intrests in other countries. Now because we are spineless to Brussels and them stupid human rights nuts.
We have lost our legs and are trying to run again. We are in dire need of physio therapy!
If some of you may be offended by the truth. Then I am sorry that you are. But it is time that we put the GREAT back into this country.
To do that. We don't need to go doing stupid things like this to Colchester TOWN.

6079 Smith W says...
12:35pm Sun 15 May 11

Kris - The history books will show you that Cunobelin led the tribe that dominated southern England, and Colchester was his capital. Look, I'm not unsympathetic to your cynicism about this bid (for what it's worth I'm pretty apathetic), but don't get your history so badly wrong.

kris1062 says...
12:46pm Sun 15 May 11

Think then. That you should read your books more. There is no mention in any book that days that Colchester was a city.
The romans did think about it, but that got shot down by London.
When we look back in history. There was not once said about Colchester city, only TOWN.
Just cause we have a castle. It does not make us a city. Warwick has one too, but it is a town. Leeds castle in Kent is in a village.
Get your facts right before

6079 Smith W says...
1:14pm Sun 15 May 11

And where have I said any of the above? What I said was that Colchester was the capital of the tribe that dominated pre-Roman southern England - that's a simple historical fact. Now whether the capital of pre-Roman and Roman southern England should be described as a town or a city I will gladly leave to others. As said, I don't particularly disagree with you, but your own argument is so badly weakened by getting simple historical facts hopelessly wrong.

kris1062 says...
1:28pm Sun 15 May 11

Facts are not wrong. Facts are here in black and white. A capital does not make place a city either.
Weather or not you agree with me.
The fact of the matter is. Colchester is a town and should stay as it is/was.
Politics are just looking for ways to thieve money from us. They are using this folly as a means to fill their own pockets.
It is just time that as the real people of this country to stand up and be counted and heard. That we don't want our money wasted on dribble. History says it already. Colchester is a town and no more!
So before you tell me I am wrong.
Go read your books again. Tell google and wikki that they have it all wrong too. Then and if they all re write the books. Can one tell another that they are wrong.
I don't suck info out of my thumb. I read it all up first and look deaper from all angles before making a statement.

6079 Smith W says...
1:45pm Sun 15 May 11

So everybody else has got it wrong except you?! Well thanks so much for your major historical breakthrough, Colchester was never a capital but merely a 'one horse town'!!! Look, within your rather disjointed ramblings there are some sensible points, but you've rather dug yourself a hole with this. Not only was Colchester the most important 'place' within ancient and Roman southern England, it actually remained one of the more important places in England right up to industrialisation - the cloth industry meant Colchester was about the 12th biggest place in early modern England. In order to make points about the present, you are being pointlessly disparaging about Colchester's past, and it does you no good at all.

kris1062 says...
1:58pm Sun 15 May 11

This hole has only been made by the nuts that sit in office.
If this place was so important, then where has all the work and that gone?
Gone abroad where it can be done for next to nothing. Making this place a city is not going to bring in capital.
What we need to do is get the work here.
If this place was so important, then why is it not now????
Oh forgot. Years ago before any of us were born. They took away the city and turned it back into a town.
Come on wake up to the fact. That Colchester was and is a town. Don't have a go at me for telling it like it is. If I am wrong and the rest are not. Then books have to be re written.
Sorry but that is just the way it is period

6079 Smith W says...
2:28pm Sun 15 May 11

I have not even bothered with the city v town terms, so God knows why you're addressing that rant at me? I'd totally agree, industry going off to China for the slave wages is far more important than this charade. I merely urge you to be a little more respectful of Colchester's rich history. There is much that historians debate here, such as whether the uprising of the Colchester Plunderers in the early stage of England's Revolution, was a sign of an emergent middle class conciousness (closely related to the town's cloth industry), or merely a religious uprising. But the fact it took place in one of England's most important settlements is not disputed.

kris1062 says...
2:48pm Sun 15 May 11

It is not me having a rant at you.
It's me having a rant at these nuts that want to waste my money on dribble.
If this place was a city before, then maybe we could change the ending.
But it wasn't!
Let us use the money in making Colchester a better place for us all.
Can think of so much to do, to make it nicer and have tourists want to flock here.
But as it is. This town has too many buildings that need to come down. Roads that need to be addressed. Traffic problems that need sorting. Work that needs to be bought back. And the estates need cleaning up.
I'm just tired of reading all this dribble in the paper, and all these blind sheep that that follow.
We all have to live here don't we?
As the saying goes. Make do with what you have!
But is there a need to go and follow these people there in office and agree with everything they can think of to make money out of us?
No. We have this tool to stand up to them.
If it offends. Then it only shows that others are scared to stand up to them. If you feel like I am having a go at you. Then I am sorry. But until there is enough Brits that stand up for what is right and ours. I shall continue to step on peoples feet.
This country is called England and should remain so.
We have lost the great in Great Britain. Let us get that back instead

6079 Smith W says...
2:57pm Sun 15 May 11

As a republican I couldn't care less about whether we're taking town or city, or to be completely precise in Colchester's case, a borough. What the monarch decides to call us or anywhere else has no interest for me.
Intrigued to know about putting the 'Great back into Britain'. Are you harping back to a time when our rich were pillaging and robbing most of the world, but still leaving most British people to exist in poverty?

ShallowRemarks says...
7:57pm Sun 15 May 11

Now I was always led to believe Cymbeline Way in Colchester is also known as the Avenue of Remembrance, Yet there is a sign in St Andrews Avenue, I believe has been wrongly placed saying Avenue of Remembrance. If Colchester were to become a City where would the sign be placed in Ipswich maybe?

Speaker182 says...
12:37am Mon 16 May 11

Kris1062, i know you're exercising your right to speak your mind, but you've kinda contradicted yourself by saying Colchester should look ahead to the future and be in the 21st-century. So, does this mean that becoming a city is not doing so?
Also, size means nothing! Ely is a 'city' and is probably smaller than Wivenhoe!

kris1062 says...
12:42am Mon 16 May 11

We don't have to go back to the victorian years. When them in office and the well to do. Got rich of the backs of the working class.
Do you remember what we used to make here in this country?
All them factories like, BL, Aston Martin, Rolls Royce, Ford for starters. These have all gone. Taken over by outsiders who then took it into their own world. Then destroyed them for their own gain. This all started when we put Maggie into.number 10. This was the start of the end as the the great in this country. Yes webruled other countries, but we made them into what they are today.
But we are under the rule of foreign countries that don't give a toss as to the wealth of Britain.
If you want Colchester or any other town or city to stand proud. Then do as I have said before with our borders.
Stop countries dealing us their garbage and make this country a proud and prosporus country it once was.
Stop wasting our money on dribble like the city bid, and use the time in bringing back the great.

Speaker182 says...
1:57am Mon 16 May 11

Kris1062, as i said you have the right to your opinion - and yes, this country does need to toughen up again.
But is this really about Colchester becoming a city, because it seems to go off topic?
So far, and this is the truth, i haven't come across that many people from Colchester - as yet - that think this is such a hideous idea. In fact, many people i've spoken to on the subject think Colchester SHOULD be a city.
Regardless of whether you or anyone else thinks the council is spending all your hard earned tax on this, i happen to think that Destination Colchester have does this the right way - by taking the role that the council would've had if it had thousands to spend on this bid.
Saying that Colchester being promoted to the higher status of 'city' is going to kill it, is like saying winning the FA Cup will kill football - it's a no-brainer!
Colchester was once called 'Colonia Victresensis' - translated - 'City of Victory'.
Colchester was mentioned in the Domesday book of 1086 as a 'citivas' - translated - 'city'.
If books lie, why would they publish these facts?
Anyway, i am sure you will not agree with anything i have said, but the majority, in my opinion, have the final say!

Speaker182 says...
2:01am Mon 16 May 11

Oh and Kris1062, i work hard and too feel aggitated when my hard earned taxes are wasted on stupid things - like, people sitting on their **** and enjoying my tax money but not doing anything else in between! So, yes, i do agree with you on some things!

kris1062 says...
1:21pm Mon 16 May 11

So why don't spend money on that then. Instead of wasting it on trying to make Colchester a city what it is not?
I've not gone of the subject. Have just made the points that it is a waste of time and money.
If you can't read that or understand that. Then I say don't go writing what you can't fully understand

kris1062 says...
1:47pm Mon 16 May 11

Just for the record. I have worked the best part of 34 years.
Not once did I have to sign on!

Now I have gone from around £3500 per month, to £221 a month. Why?????
Cause employers think that I am too old at 48 to work.
I am not a foreigner or not fresh out of school.
So we should spend money on educating employers rather that waste money on the folly of those who want to make Colchester TOWN a city!

Speaker182 says...
3:05pm Mon 16 May 11

Kris1062, that last comment i made was not a rant at you. I was merely pointing out that some people choose to do naff all and get given benefits they're not entitled to in my eyes.
As for not being about to read, i am quite capable!
You've chosen to ignore the facts i'd included in my previous posts - historically correct ones too!
If i chose to do something for someone because they're couldn't afford to do so, does that mean i'd be using taxpayers' money.
NO! So, therefore, Destination Colchester are taking the burden from taxpayers and putting together a bid to get Colchester city status. That's it!
I don't know about anybody else on here, but you've chosen to listen to nobody else but yourself!

Historians give us the facts, and so without their knowledge, you wouldn't know what you're talking about...so your ARE historically inaccurate in everything you say!

kris1062 says...
3:39pm Mon 16 May 11

Get your facts right.
Even before the romans Colchester was not a city.
It was a place of importance as a trading place.
There was a thought about making it the capital and that, but was shut down when London got the status instead.
So this whole thing about the romans and here once having a the status, is just sucked out of thumbs.
I'm not making it up for the sake of making an argument. Look on google and you will see it in black and white.
Nobody would be doing any of us a favor by going for this bid.
As long as things go on the way they are now.
City or town, things will still be the same here. Only we will be far more out of pocket cause of the changes that have to be made. One road sign costs thousands. So do your maths and you will see that it is a no brainer, that this bid is just folly

Speaker182 says...
3:59pm Mon 16 May 11

I have looked on Google, and i have seen several or more articles that call Colchester a city - even Wikipedia!
Read the books: 'City of Victory' and 'City Status in the British Isles'.
The Domesday Book of 1086, declares Colchester as one of only a few settlements to be a 'citivas' - Latin for 'city'.
Colchester was the administrative capital of King Cunobelin and the Romans.
IF Colchester does become a city, then i'm sorry to tell you Kris1062 that there is nothing neither you or i can do about it - deal with it!
P.S. my argument is closed on the matter!

kris1062 says...
4:13pm Mon 16 May 11

You need to go back further. Colchester is and remains the oldest town. Not once was it's status changed, only the fact that the romans were thinking of it.
So like I said. Read your books good and stop skipping and making up of what the romans wanted.

observer2000 says...
7:08pm Mon 16 May 11

ShallowRemarks wrote:
Cant they get it into their thick skulls we don't wont a bl**dy city status.
Why Not !!!!!!!Oh I see! because people like you Say So....Really.....Who cares!!!

kris1062 says...
7:09pm Mon 16 May 11

Some people will never get on if they don't learn to read the facts first. Nowhere does it say in history that Colchester is the oldest recorded city in this country. Don't have anything to do with the romans. Yes they gave us lots of things in the past. But they sure did not give us Colchester city. They only gave it a thought. But then again who were they to tell us what we must have?

kris1062 says...
7:20pm Mon 16 May 11

Observer2000 you should care if you live here!
Think about all the changes that will have to be made cause of this folly. Add up all the costs of say sign posts, maps etc etc.
All this is going to cost more than what we will make in our life times combined. And who is going to pay for all this?
Us the tax payers and the poor. The well to do that could by everything out riht will not give one penny towards it. But they sure will proffit from it somewhere.
Put it all to a vote and this status bid is going to loose. But it will go ahead reguardless. Cause this corrupt council andmp's just want ways to drain more money away from the working man!!!!!

6079 Smith W says...
9:01pm Mon 16 May 11

Kris - As said, I think you make many good points, and I certainly agree 110% that Thatcher entering No. 10 was when it all went wrong in this country. Your arguments against city status are also (in the main) sound, but please, don't be quite so dismissive of Colchester's past, it has been very important in history, and not just in the time of Cunobelin and the Romans! Let those who are so keen on the pointless title of city fixate on the word!

kris1062 says...
11:03pm Mon 16 May 11

It's not being distructive against Colchester.
It's standing up against such dumb folly and money wasting.
Standing up against people that think that they have a right to dip into my wallet just to fill theirs.
I am not prepared to just sit here and let my money be wasted on dribble. They want to be a city then fine...move then to London, and leave this town a town. The way it always was and should be!

Boris says...
12:30am Wed 18 May 11

I'm glad I've kept out of this so far, because really I don't care what the Queen chooses to call us, and the debate has been obsessive to the point of sterility. But let us get a few facts straight.
1. English is probably the only language in the world which distinguishes between "town" and "city". In all other languages the same word is used. So it is pointless to argue about it.
2. In the USA, a settlement the size of Layer Breton is called a city. And they don't ask anyone's permission to style themselves so, they just do it. Since we ape the Americans in so many things, why not follow them in this too?
3. "Great" as in "Great Britain" is nothing to do with being great. It was introduced by the Normans simply to distinguish us from Brittany (compare Great Horkesley and Little Horkesley). So any talk of "making Britain great again" is simply meaningless.

kris1062 says...
9:54am Wed 18 May 11

If you want to say follow in the footsteps of USA. Then why not do away with the heritage and history that these nuts have been going on so strongly about. Oh and why not get rid of the royal family, as in USA they don't want to have them. Then again do we.really need them?
I think not. It's just another waste of valuable space that could be used better. So yes. If you want to go on and call this place a city and or change the rest of this country's place names. Then go ahead. But don't y'all try and get me to fork out the money to pay for it all.
As for the Great in our name.
Well this country is in other countries a joke. A litte puppet that loves to sit on the lap of who ever will let us.
A once proud nation that had so much. But since Maggie was in No. 10 this country became spineless to Brussels and the human rights people.
So why don't we just stop this folly, just cause the queen has been there on the throne. Nobody would give a hoot if a regular person had done something. Y'all forget. That it is not the queen that rules over us. It is who ever is in office. The queens speach was writen by them and not her

Speaker182 says...
3:39pm Wed 18 May 11

Boris has hit the nail on the head!
Colchester, like Reading or Milton Keynes are already 'cities' in a universal/geographic
al sense.
The fact is, they just haven't recieved consent from the Queen yet - which is a little bit backward in some respects.
Colchester is currently has a larger population than at least 33 of Britain's cities, and why are places like Preston or Exeter more citylike than Middlesbrough or Reading?
In most countries, a town is called a city regardless of whether it has a piece of parchment declaring it to be one.
But Kris1062, if the Queen decided at random that Colchester should be a city and that the road signs would be changed for no cost whatsoever, my guess is you'd still not be happy - and, in which case we'd still be in a no-win situation on the matter!
Observer2000 and Whiplash86, i'm with you!
Kris1062, you've made some good points, but honestly it seems you are a miserable so-and-so!

Speaker182 says...
3:44pm Wed 18 May 11

I'd recommend some fresh air, a walk maybe? You'll feel much better, as surely, life can't get that much worse for you!

The chances of anything coming from Mars, are a "million to one", he said.
The chances of anything coming from Mars, are a million to one...but still, they come!

crum says...
10:56pm Wed 18 May 11

City or Town Colchester is a dump compared to Chelmsford, Colchester needs to be cleaned up, I remember when they stole the street lights from Tiptree in the minors strike .... home rule for Tiptree

kris1062 says...
11:09pm Wed 18 May 11

Good word Crum.
Colchester is a dump and needs cleaning up big time.
And speaker. I do get out in the country to walk daily. I got two.jack russels. But this is.not goin to make me back down on, well I am not going to go so low as ro what I think of people like you and those.trying to push this folly.

crum says...
11:38pm Wed 18 May 11

kris1062 wrote:
Good word Crum. Colchester is a dump and needs cleaning up big time. And speaker. I do get out in the country to walk daily. I got two.jack russels. But this is.not goin to make me back down on, well I am not going to go so low as ro what I think of people like you and those.trying to push this folly.
kris1062 Thank you, I may bump into you when dog walking, I am the one with the 50kg Rotti/St Bernard cross (one h**l of a dog.

kris1062 says...
1:45am Thu 19 May 11

Bit of a long way to come and walk your dog. But then why come to this dump?
It stinks here cause of the hythe.
What green there is, stinks too cause lots of people don't pick up after their dogs do number two.
Would you think that this dump would get much much better, if it was a city?
No it would not. Poorer yes, but not better.
If there was something better to do with Colchester then I would support it.
A better road system, pull down all the derelict buildings. Get the hythe cleaned up. Make it a Town that stands out on the map.
Don't need city status to do that now do we

Sdapeze says...
9:23am Thu 19 May 11

I am of the mind that Colchester is not ready for city status - whatever that means. Colonia Victricensis does not translate as City of Victory. A colonia was/is not a city. However, something somebody said to me this week has challenged my thinking. Rome was a city wasn't it? Isn't/wasn't Colchester the equivalent of Rome, the Roman capital of Britannia? Aren't we simply asking to have our status re-instated to the position it once held? Having said that, I like living in the oldest recorded town in Britain. I don't particularly want Colchester to be a city but, I am supportive of anything that promotes our wonderful town. I don't think we have a cat in hell's chance of winning city status, but let's give it a go. Well done destination Colchester, for taking this initiative and working so hard for it - at no cost whatsoever to the taxpayer!

Speaker182 says...
11:42pm Fri 20 May 11

I was told by a guy on a castle tour that Colonia Victresensis was 'City of Victory' and there is a book too.
Anyways, i like your thinking Sdapeze (which is written on a carving of a Roman soldier, am i right?).
Well done Destination Colchester.

kris1062 says...
12:55am Sat 21 May 11

Right. This is now once and for all speaker. You obviously either don't know what you are talking about. Or spend time talking to people that are in the same boat as the la la's that want this b.s..
Been out and done some more digging around into this b.s. that you are so obsest with.
Colonia Victresensis is. Translated from the latin into plain English, so that you can understand it. And I have dubble checked it to make sure.
Means The woven fabric you wish to transfer of the body of a saint. The lower world.
And according to a historian that I have spoken. The closest that this dump has ever gotten to be a city was. Iside the head of the romans. They were thinking that they would make it a ciy, but this thouht was held short.
Looking even deeper into the history books. There is no mention of colchester being a city before or after.
Hence therefor. That this folly from you people is getting so far, that it is making y'all look. Well I better not put the words down here, cause we have to keep it civil.
As said earlyer. What the queen may want to do is her choice. But if she is wanting to do something so stupid, by changing any place names'to a city. Weather it be Colchester, southen or Chelmsford. Then A. As her doing, let her pay for everything. The changes that will have to be made and that. Leave us the tax payer out of it. Frankly. I hope that is she was to make a place a city. That she picks warwick. It has a castle and is much better looming town than this place. It has so much more charm for tourists to want to come too.
With all these derelict buildings and stinking hythe. I would not want to waste my hard earned vacation in here!

Speaker182 says...
12:23am Sun 22 May 11

Ha ha ha ha ha Kris1062!
If a historian who wrote a book is wrong, then what makes you think you know better???
How do YOU know what status Colchester had - especially as the word 'town' didn't exist either. In theory, it was a place of importance - like Rome, and would have been a major centre of Roman Britain.
The modern equivalent of a major settlement today is a...dun Dun DUN - 'City'.
Warrick would only become a city if it applied for the status, and the Queen chooses based on the advice of Government ministers.
If you hate Colchester that much, why not move to a log cabin in the middle of nowehere...problem solved!!!

Speaker182 says...
12:28am Sun 22 May 11

Oh and Kris1062, i have at least 3 books that refer to Colchester as a city, with mentions of the Roman city walls and Boudicca who sacked the city.
If you go into the Town Hall, there is an inscription written: 'Fortified city of Coel' - explain that, and tell me why you think you know better than a historian...you have obviously NOT done any research to have found nothing!

kris1062 says...
2:49am Sun 22 May 11

Ever heard of what happens to sheep?
They are so dumb, that they would follow one tha thought that it knows better.
It's kind of like that where ever you get a small groep of them.
In this case there are a small groep of you here.
You sit there with your with probably g&t's or what ever else y'all can come up.with to make y'all look posh.
Read books not even fit enough to to pass as absorbant paper to when done excreeting out the waste that y'all feed each other with.
Y'll sit there with all this b.s. that y'all think must sound right. Or just cause some wig that has lots of money and or writen some lyes sorry lines down on a bit of paper. Then it must be true. Just like most of you believe that the queen would wish to make a change.
Well if the queen so thought to do something back in the days of old. Then theynjust went on and did it.
Now the queen has no more powers to make the changes.herself, than I have of getting out of this country.
The queen is a person that was born into her family that don't have to get up and go to work like us regular folk.
Why it was not so long ago that she had to start pay taxes.
When was the last time she came down here to Colchester hay?
Bet she never saw or smelt the hythe, or the crumbling buildings down by hythe station that have been that way for years. Or went and walked round greenstead estate and saw where, as one would say. "Her loyal subjects" live.
H..l her dogs and horses get a better life!
If she had any sence, she would stay clear of this place. Oh I forgot. She does!
So why would employers and or tourists want to come here. There is nothing to see that would make for great vacation memories. Do you and the rest of the la la's really believe, that people would want to flock to a place like this, where it's ran down. I don't think so. No more than any of us would go and have a vacation in a shanty town in a third world country.

Yes I have done my research, and yes I would sooner get up and go, away from this country and the la la's that are trying to think. Got to have something before y'all can do that.
Yes I might sound like a radical. But seeing what is going on in this country. The way our taxes and that is being wasted.
The way we have no money. Yet we are giving billions away to other countries every day. Allowing foreigners to come here and steal from us. Then Brussels and human rights people say. Let them. And just cause they say it, it don't make it right.
It's no more right than this b.s. That of this city bid crap.
You may be deaf and blind as to what is going on around here, but there are plenty of people that have had enough of the b.s.
We can either hope that it will end, and that this nation will stand up proud once again. Or we can get out of this country and lay our heads in some other. Then at least then we could be free from quacks

Speaker182 says...
11:48pm Sun 22 May 11

Colchester would make a great city! The borough has so much to offer - from its history, university and garrison to its expanding population.
Destination Colchester are putting the bid together free of charge for the council, and without costing the taxpayer a penny.
Colchester is reputed to be Britain's first ever city and Roman capital, and the emphasis of this is outlined in the bid.
A video on Youtube demonstrates that the people of Colchester - young and old - agree that this great town deserves to be a city!

kris1062 says...
12:40am Mon 23 May 11

Wow again. Talking out you rear end again. And herenI.was thinking that the hythe was playing up again this evening.
Never in my life ever heard so much waffel.
History, univ. and garrison, plus expanding population. Will give you an E grade for all them points.
History. You failed real bad. My dogs could done a better job with that. Colchester is said to be the oldest town not city.
Just cause it has a Uni. Don't make it great either. Uni. is just a way of delaying time, for people who are work shy.
The garrison. Well as most people know, that is being tuned into housing for all the foreign workers and them that come over here and get huge hand outs. So that is the expanding population you were talking about.
That video on youtube. Well that is just one big load of b.s.
Bet that the majority of people that were spoken too. Was edited out to just be pro city.
Yeah right. Them people are doing this all.for free to the council. No bill to the tax payers. Yeah right. You believe in all this b.s. No matter what they say, we will get stuck with something to cover their backs. Then all the costs that will come with the changes.
Even people in Ipswich were laughing at the idea yesterday. Big point that came up in conversation was the bottle neck of traffic around here. Come on, wake up. Colchester can't handle the extra load. Traffic is bad enough as it is.
Lets have an action groep to fit for a better Colchester that moves. That works with it's own real people that live here.
Not them that live outside here or them that live in outside vilages. Spend time working on how to get the estates looking better and safer.
Want to create jobs?
Kick out all the cheap foreign workers and educate employers, that profit is made by good happy work force.

Speaker182 says...
6:47pm Mon 23 May 11

You're right Kris1062, i've only just realised now the error of my ways!
Why do i care about Colchester so much?
I should start being miserable!
Colchester isn't worthy of this, nor does it have anything worthwhile...perhaps this would be true if i lived in your world Kris1062, but sorry to say i am NOT nor shall i ever be anti-Colchester!!!

kris1062 says...
7:02pm Mon 23 May 11

That is my point all along.
It's people like you that go round making these kind of statements in the first place that are not true. Then go round supporting things that are a total waste of time and money, that make me so.
It is about time that people stood up to them with the likes of you!
You all live behind this la la that just goes round trying to make more money out of the taxpayers, to cover up the other wrong things that they are wasting money on.
No speaker182. You don't live in my world. Nor do you live in this God forsaken dump. You live down there in Jaywick, that is just as bad as it is here. Was even said on local tv news.
When you get back into reality and wake up and smell the coffee. Maybe then you might just have the thought of just how wrong this b.s. is. That money wasting d.h. in office, are just bleading us even more dryer.
Stand up to these people and say
"ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"!

Speaker182 says...
7:46pm Mon 23 May 11

You're obviously not that smart are you Kris1062.
I do not live in Jaywick, why ever you thought that?
And who exactly am i supposed to be standing up to?
Nothing, absolutley nothing you say makes any sense whatsoever!
So, this will now be my last and final post directly to you...i shall contribute but ignore anything you say...so do your best, i ain't bothered! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

kris1062 says...
8:43pm Mon 23 May 11

Go back to school then. You might learn to read plain english.
Sorry for thinking that you live in jaywick. I was sure that was where you said you live.

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