Plan to end free robes for council’s aldermen

Plan to end free robes for council’s aldermen

Plan to end free robes for council’s aldermen

First published in News

COMMUNITY stalwarts given the honour of becoming aldermen could be asked to fork out £850 for ceremonial robes.

Councillors who have served at least 20 years and former mayors are invited to take up the title with Colchester Council.

The council’s governance committee has recommended new aldermen should contribute for the first time in the role’s history.

Martin Hunt, a critic of the proposal and leader of the council, has warned it could price out potential Aldermen.

Read the full story in today's Gazette.

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7:08pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

I would think most of us, including me, had no knowledge that we were the ones who are funding this totally unnecessary expense. How many more useless perks do they try to get out of their expenses. Most people would also consider being an Alderman is an outdated practice that is simply ceremonial and offers nothing to those who are expected to fund the costs.

However, if the practice is to continue then those who benefit from it should be the ones who pay for their own robes and no Councillor should not expect it to be yet another freebe taken from Council Taxes.
I would think most of us, including me, had no knowledge that we were the ones who are funding this totally unnecessary expense. How many more useless perks do they try to get out of their expenses. Most people would also consider being an Alderman is an outdated practice that is simply ceremonial and offers nothing to those who are expected to fund the costs. However, if the practice is to continue then those who benefit from it should be the ones who pay for their own robes and no Councillor should not expect it to be yet another freebe taken from Council Taxes. Say It As It Is OK?
  • Score: 12

7:13pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
I would think most of us, including me, had no knowledge that we were the ones who are funding this totally unnecessary expense. How many more useless perks do they try to get out of their expenses. Most people would also consider being an Alderman is an outdated practice that is simply ceremonial and offers nothing to those who are expected to fund the costs.

However, if the practice is to continue then those who benefit from it should be the ones who pay for their own robes and no Councillor should not expect it to be yet another freebe taken from Council Taxes.
Sorry about the grammatical errors at the end of the last paragraph. Meant to say: "Councillors should not expect it to be yet another freebee taken from Council Taxes".
[quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: I would think most of us, including me, had no knowledge that we were the ones who are funding this totally unnecessary expense. How many more useless perks do they try to get out of their expenses. Most people would also consider being an Alderman is an outdated practice that is simply ceremonial and offers nothing to those who are expected to fund the costs. However, if the practice is to continue then those who benefit from it should be the ones who pay for their own robes and no Councillor should not expect it to be yet another freebe taken from Council Taxes.[/p][/quote]Sorry about the grammatical errors at the end of the last paragraph. Meant to say: "Councillors should not expect it to be yet another freebee taken from Council Taxes". Say It As It Is OK?
  • Score: 0

8:04am Fri 29 Aug 14

jim_bo says...

Surely they can hire them for the day like uni graduations?
Surely they can hire them for the day like uni graduations? jim_bo
  • Score: 6

8:40am Fri 29 Aug 14

TheBrotherhoodOfTheBell says...

Freemasons pay for their own gear ?
Shiny compasses to stick up their ar*es !
So why not these old fogies ?
Martin Hunt would expect everyone to pay for all and sundry !
No such thing as a free lunch Martin ?
Freemasons pay for their own gear ? Shiny compasses to stick up their ar*es ! So why not these old fogies ? Martin Hunt would expect everyone to pay for all and sundry ! No such thing as a free lunch Martin ? TheBrotherhoodOfTheBell
  • Score: 5

9:44am Fri 29 Aug 14

Hamiltonandy says...

I do not understand why it costs £850 for such a simple robe.
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The whole point about being a councillor is to contribute your time and effort to benefit the town. The status as alderman is a recognition of over twenty years effort and does not need fancy dress to confirm this.
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So far I have not noticed any councillor short of money and suggest they might like to contribute to a fund to provide these ceremonial robes.
I do not understand why it costs £850 for such a simple robe. . The whole point about being a councillor is to contribute your time and effort to benefit the town. The status as alderman is a recognition of over twenty years effort and does not need fancy dress to confirm this. . So far I have not noticed any councillor short of money and suggest they might like to contribute to a fund to provide these ceremonial robes. Hamiltonandy
  • Score: 9

10:48am Fri 29 Aug 14

Shrubendlad says...

Martin-Youre a sensible Lib Dem chappie.
My youngest daughter is paying £27,000 in fees for her University Course.
Why are you against these people paying for their fancy dress outfits?
Martin-Youre a sensible Lib Dem chappie. My youngest daughter is paying £27,000 in fees for her University Course. Why are you against these people paying for their fancy dress outfits? Shrubendlad
  • Score: 8

10:41pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Boris says...

Jim_bo has got the right idea, but here is (I think) an even better one. CBC should buy and own the robes, and lend them to the aldermen for the day for those rare occasions when the robes are used. The only problem is, as the cover-up at Leisure World suggests, the council officers are probably incapable of keeping the stock of aldermanic robes.
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Of course these robes are all nonsense, but in our crazy country where people like to see flummery, robes are a fairly harmless way of recognising former mayors and group leaders among the retired councillors.
Jim_bo has got the right idea, but here is (I think) an even better one. CBC should buy and own the robes, and lend them to the aldermen for the day for those rare occasions when the robes are used. The only problem is, as the cover-up at Leisure World suggests, the council officers are probably incapable of keeping the stock of aldermanic robes. . Of course these robes are all nonsense, but in our crazy country where people like to see flummery, robes are a fairly harmless way of recognising former mayors and group leaders among the retired councillors. Boris
  • Score: -5

10:49pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Boris says...

Shrubendlad wrote:
Martin-Youre a sensible Lib Dem chappie.
My youngest daughter is paying £27,000 in fees for her University Course.
Why are you against these people paying for their fancy dress outfits?
Shrubendlad, at last you have hit on a reason for your constant moans about Bob Russell. His vote for the trebling of university tuition fees is a good reason to resent him, and to vote against him next May, unless of course you feel it is counterbalanced by his positive qualities. But it is nothing to do with the borough councillors: they don't have a vote in parliament. And their allowances are in fact fairly modest so you should not expect them to cough up £850 a head for a bit of cosmetic nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]Shrubendlad[/bold] wrote: Martin-Youre a sensible Lib Dem chappie. My youngest daughter is paying £27,000 in fees for her University Course. Why are you against these people paying for their fancy dress outfits?[/p][/quote]Shrubendlad, at last you have hit on a reason for your constant moans about Bob Russell. His vote for the trebling of university tuition fees is a good reason to resent him, and to vote against him next May, unless of course you feel it is counterbalanced by his positive qualities. But it is nothing to do with the borough councillors: they don't have a vote in parliament. And their allowances are in fact fairly modest so you should not expect them to cough up £850 a head for a bit of cosmetic nonsense. Boris
  • Score: -8

10:29am Sat 30 Aug 14

Shrubendlad says...

Boris wrote:
Shrubendlad wrote:
Martin-Youre a sensible Lib Dem chappie.
My youngest daughter is paying £27,000 in fees for her University Course.
Why are you against these people paying for their fancy dress outfits?
Shrubendlad, at last you have hit on a reason for your constant moans about Bob Russell. His vote for the trebling of university tuition fees is a good reason to resent him, and to vote against him next May, unless of course you feel it is counterbalanced by his positive qualities. But it is nothing to do with the borough councillors: they don't have a vote in parliament. And their allowances are in fact fairly modest so you should not expect them to cough up £850 a head for a bit of cosmetic nonsense.
Boris Old Chap
My constant moans about Sir Bob Russell are based around the fact that he has had a 43 year career and its time to retire and let the next generation have a go.
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shrubendlad[/bold] wrote: Martin-Youre a sensible Lib Dem chappie. My youngest daughter is paying £27,000 in fees for her University Course. Why are you against these people paying for their fancy dress outfits?[/p][/quote]Shrubendlad, at last you have hit on a reason for your constant moans about Bob Russell. His vote for the trebling of university tuition fees is a good reason to resent him, and to vote against him next May, unless of course you feel it is counterbalanced by his positive qualities. But it is nothing to do with the borough councillors: they don't have a vote in parliament. And their allowances are in fact fairly modest so you should not expect them to cough up £850 a head for a bit of cosmetic nonsense.[/p][/quote]Boris Old Chap My constant moans about Sir Bob Russell are based around the fact that he has had a 43 year career and its time to retire and let the next generation have a go. Shrubendlad
  • Score: 6

11:07am Sat 30 Aug 14

Shrubendlad says...

Shrubendlad wrote:
Boris wrote:
Shrubendlad wrote:
Martin-Youre a sensible Lib Dem chappie.
My youngest daughter is paying £27,000 in fees for her University Course.
Why are you against these people paying for their fancy dress outfits?
Shrubendlad, at last you have hit on a reason for your constant moans about Bob Russell. His vote for the trebling of university tuition fees is a good reason to resent him, and to vote against him next May, unless of course you feel it is counterbalanced by his positive qualities. But it is nothing to do with the borough councillors: they don't have a vote in parliament. And their allowances are in fact fairly modest so you should not expect them to cough up £850 a head for a bit of cosmetic nonsense.
Boris Old Chap
My constant moans about Sir Bob Russell are based around the fact that he has had a 43 year career and its time to retire and let the next generation have a go.
I should add Boris Old Chap/
My maternal great grandfather was a Chairman of the towns Guardians.
The Guardians were a large body of Colchester worthies who looked after the Workhouses etc before the State took control. They didn't get paid, they didn't rip off the tax payer-it was civic pride and duty. No-they can buy or hire their fancy outfits themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Shrubendlad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shrubendlad[/bold] wrote: Martin-Youre a sensible Lib Dem chappie. My youngest daughter is paying £27,000 in fees for her University Course. Why are you against these people paying for their fancy dress outfits?[/p][/quote]Shrubendlad, at last you have hit on a reason for your constant moans about Bob Russell. His vote for the trebling of university tuition fees is a good reason to resent him, and to vote against him next May, unless of course you feel it is counterbalanced by his positive qualities. But it is nothing to do with the borough councillors: they don't have a vote in parliament. And their allowances are in fact fairly modest so you should not expect them to cough up £850 a head for a bit of cosmetic nonsense.[/p][/quote]Boris Old Chap My constant moans about Sir Bob Russell are based around the fact that he has had a 43 year career and its time to retire and let the next generation have a go.[/p][/quote]I should add Boris Old Chap/ My maternal great grandfather was a Chairman of the towns Guardians. The Guardians were a large body of Colchester worthies who looked after the Workhouses etc before the State took control. They didn't get paid, they didn't rip off the tax payer-it was civic pride and duty. No-they can buy or hire their fancy outfits themselves. Shrubendlad
  • Score: 7

5:41am Sun 31 Aug 14

Shrubendlad says...

Hamiltonandy wrote:
I do not understand why it costs £850 for such a simple robe.
.
The whole point about being a councillor is to contribute your time and effort to benefit the town. The status as alderman is a recognition of over twenty years effort and does not need fancy dress to confirm this.
.
So far I have not noticed any councillor short of money and suggest they might like to contribute to a fund to provide these ceremonial robes.
Andy-not for the first time I agree with you.
I don't really have a problem with recognising 20 years of service in a procession-but why do they have to keep these robes?-to scare their grandchildren on October 31st?
One of my daughters graduated from Newcastle University a couple of years ago (with £20000 of Student Debt, Boris)-not only did we hire the robes but the Students shared one cap for the Graduation photographs.
"Swine around the Trough" me thinks.
[quote][p][bold]Hamiltonandy[/bold] wrote: I do not understand why it costs £850 for such a simple robe. . The whole point about being a councillor is to contribute your time and effort to benefit the town. The status as alderman is a recognition of over twenty years effort and does not need fancy dress to confirm this. . So far I have not noticed any councillor short of money and suggest they might like to contribute to a fund to provide these ceremonial robes.[/p][/quote]Andy-not for the first time I agree with you. I don't really have a problem with recognising 20 years of service in a procession-but why do they have to keep these robes?-to scare their grandchildren on October 31st? One of my daughters graduated from Newcastle University a couple of years ago (with £20000 of Student Debt, Boris)-not only did we hire the robes but the Students shared one cap for the Graduation photographs. "Swine around the Trough" me thinks. Shrubendlad
  • Score: 2

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