Allergic Fae, 4, falls unconscious after man ignores three warnings and opens packet of nuts on plane

Allergic Fae, 4, falls unconscious after man ignores three warnings and opens packet of nuts on plane

Allergic Fae, 4, falls unconscious after man ignores three warnings and opens packet of nuts on plane

First published in News

A LITTLE girl with a severe allergy lost consciousness on a plane after a man ignored three warnings and opened a packet of nuts.

Fae Platten, four, went into anaphylactic shock and stopped breathing.

She was only revived with an injection.

Even though the man who opened the packet of nuts was seated four rows away, the recycled air used in planes meant Fae started suffering within 20 minutes of her flight back to Stansted from a family holiday.

Mum Katy Platten, 30, of West Bergholt, said she wanted to warn future air passengers that people with nut allergies can suffer even if they do not eat them.

For the full report, see Thursday's Gazette

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9:09am Thu 14 Aug 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

I remember a case where a Supermarket was asked to stop roasting nuts in their instore bakery for the very same reason. I'm sure the man on this flight, although being asked not to, was not really fully aware of the consequences of his actions. Very few people are!

This must have been traumatic for the family but it could happen anywhere at anytime. So whilst her condition remains very serious the likelihood of a repeat attack is high, therefore, she must always carry a epinephrine injection pen with her.

The alternative is to ban the eating of peanuts, just in case someone nearby has an allergic reaction, lets hope this doesn't happen.

Hopefully with treatment Fae's nut intolerance improves, as it often does as the child gets older.
I remember a case where a Supermarket was asked to stop roasting nuts in their instore bakery for the very same reason. I'm sure the man on this flight, although being asked not to, was not really fully aware of the consequences of his actions. Very few people are! This must have been traumatic for the family but it could happen anywhere at anytime. So whilst her condition remains very serious the likelihood of a repeat attack is high, therefore, she must always carry a epinephrine injection pen with her. The alternative is to ban the eating of peanuts, just in case someone nearby has an allergic reaction, lets hope this doesn't happen. Hopefully with treatment Fae's nut intolerance improves, as it often does as the child gets older. Say It As It Is OK?
  • Score: 49

9:48am Thu 14 Aug 14

cynicalsubber says...

There have been cases of parents sending their children to school with peanut butter sandwiches. Those children then have to be isolated because so many others now suffer allergies. The question is, why? When I was a child nut allergies were virtually unknown. Could that possibly be because our parents weren't bombarded with information about how dangerous they were for the under fives? Obviously, no-one wants to risk a toddler choking, but I gave my daughter peanut butter soldiers when she was about a year old, and she was just fine.
There have been cases of parents sending their children to school with peanut butter sandwiches. Those children then have to be isolated because so many others now suffer allergies. The question is, why? When I was a child nut allergies were virtually unknown. Could that possibly be because our parents weren't bombarded with information about how dangerous they were for the under fives? Obviously, no-one wants to risk a toddler choking, but I gave my daughter peanut butter soldiers when she was about a year old, and she was just fine. cynicalsubber
  • Score: 30

12:19pm Thu 14 Aug 14

donttellanyone says...

Did you know the air was cleaner when people used to smoke on planes as the fresh air was being used now it is used over and over again.
Did you know the air was cleaner when people used to smoke on planes as the fresh air was being used now it is used over and over again. donttellanyone
  • Score: 13

12:24pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Guy Smithy says...

So what, I personally don't care much for the taste of nuts but I would be very upset if I was asked to hold back over some silly allergy. It's her problem and, yes, she should avoid flying. Or, perhaps, Ryanair could admit their part by recycling air rather than pumping fresh air in at pressure (every 'plane that pressurises can do this).

Also, if I was the nut-user, I would be challenging the data retention necessary to implement the ban, in court if necessary.
So what, I personally don't care much for the taste of nuts but I would be very upset if I was asked to hold back over some silly allergy. It's her problem and, yes, she should avoid flying. Or, perhaps, Ryanair could admit their part by recycling air rather than pumping fresh air in at pressure (every 'plane that pressurises can do this). Also, if I was the nut-user, I would be challenging the data retention necessary to implement the ban, in court if necessary. Guy Smithy
  • Score: 93

12:59pm Thu 14 Aug 14

apec96 says...

Guy Smithy wrote:
So what, I personally don't care much for the taste of nuts but I would be very upset if I was asked to hold back over some silly allergy. It's her problem and, yes, she should avoid flying. Or, perhaps, Ryanair could admit their part by recycling air rather than pumping fresh air in at pressure (every 'plane that pressurises can do this). Also, if I was the nut-user, I would be challenging the data retention necessary to implement the ban, in court if necessary.
This guy has clearly never grown up as a child with a severe allergy. It's not something you can pick and choose. If you want to quote data retention, then I will quote discrimination by not being allowed to fly. Should allergy sufferers stay at home all day in quarantine and sponge benefits off of your taxes? No, so why should they not be able to travel. Sounds like this family took the precaution of pre-advising the airline, and taking epipen on a plane (which you need a letter from your GP to do, and this costs as it's classed as a private service). Would you have said the same if this was your child?
[quote][p][bold]Guy Smithy[/bold] wrote: So what, I personally don't care much for the taste of nuts but I would be very upset if I was asked to hold back over some silly allergy. It's her problem and, yes, she should avoid flying. Or, perhaps, Ryanair could admit their part by recycling air rather than pumping fresh air in at pressure (every 'plane that pressurises can do this). Also, if I was the nut-user, I would be challenging the data retention necessary to implement the ban, in court if necessary.[/p][/quote]This guy has clearly never grown up as a child with a severe allergy. It's not something you can pick and choose. If you want to quote data retention, then I will quote discrimination by not being allowed to fly. Should allergy sufferers stay at home all day in quarantine and sponge benefits off of your taxes? No, so why should they not be able to travel. Sounds like this family took the precaution of pre-advising the airline, and taking epipen on a plane (which you need a letter from your GP to do, and this costs as it's classed as a private service). Would you have said the same if this was your child? apec96
  • Score: -67

1:01pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Zaffre says...

Only being able to wait 20 minutes without eating a peanut - how very terrible for that poor man to have such a condition!
Only being able to wait 20 minutes without eating a peanut - how very terrible for that poor man to have such a condition! Zaffre
  • Score: -71

1:40pm Thu 14 Aug 14

DoodleJoeyBug says...

How shocking are the attitudes of comments on here, so a 4 year old girl who could have quite easily died is subject to ignorant comments from clearly uneducated people who seem to think it's a 'silly allergy' or an intolerance (an allergy and an intolerance are two very different things). So basically people with allergies should be shut away in their homes and not allowed to go out because heaven forbid it inconveniences other people!! - What a narrowed-minded attitude to have!
How shocking are the attitudes of comments on here, so a 4 year old girl who could have quite easily died is subject to ignorant comments from clearly uneducated people who seem to think it's a 'silly allergy' or an intolerance (an allergy and an intolerance are two very different things). So basically people with allergies should be shut away in their homes and not allowed to go out because heaven forbid it inconveniences other people!! - What a narrowed-minded attitude to have! DoodleJoeyBug
  • Score: -45

2:46pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Smouldering Ewok says...

Guy Smithy wrote:
So what, I personally don't care much for the taste of nuts but I would be very upset if I was asked to hold back over some silly allergy. It's her problem and, yes, she should avoid flying. Or, perhaps, Ryanair could admit their part by recycling air rather than pumping fresh air in at pressure (every 'plane that pressurises can do this).

Also, if I was the nut-user, I would be challenging the data retention necessary to implement the ban, in court if necessary.
Not a compassionate comment is it?
Did you read the part where Fae had to be revived with an injection because she stopped breathing.
Poor little girl.
[quote][p][bold]Guy Smithy[/bold] wrote: So what, I personally don't care much for the taste of nuts but I would be very upset if I was asked to hold back over some silly allergy. It's her problem and, yes, she should avoid flying. Or, perhaps, Ryanair could admit their part by recycling air rather than pumping fresh air in at pressure (every 'plane that pressurises can do this). Also, if I was the nut-user, I would be challenging the data retention necessary to implement the ban, in court if necessary.[/p][/quote]Not a compassionate comment is it? Did you read the part where Fae had to be revived with an injection because she stopped breathing. Poor little girl. Smouldering Ewok
  • Score: 9

2:49pm Thu 14 Aug 14

André says...

What causes these allergies is parents who are paranoid and keep their child away from nuts as infants, keep them away from playing outside in the dirt, putting their fingers in their mouths and getting the usual bumps and scrapes of childhood play, Their immune systems and allergy response mechanism does not develop properly. This is further exacerbated by parents who use formulae over breast milk, who only feed their children sterilised canned and jar based food over freshly prepared and who do not encourage their children to play with large groups of children. Whilst reasonable allowances need to be made to accommodate people with disability such as ramps on public buildings, lifting platforms onto public transport, taps at a level in public restrooms that people with disability can use, are we seriously getting to the point where widely used foods are banned from flights, schools, restaurants and other public places because of those with a rare allergy response to air born particulates of such substances? Where commercial companies are expected to accomodate the needs of a minority over the general enjoyment of the majority? Shouldn't the case be that if someone is that allergic they charter a private flight on an aircraft that has been deep cleaned or they do not fly? Alternatively they wear some sort of environmental encounter suit with their own air supply for the duration of the flight at their own cost? There could have been a trace amount of peanuts on a another passenger's hands from pre flight contact or their clothing or luggage or even their breath that could have set someone off that was this sensitive. Obviously when asked not to open a packet on the flight, chosing to do so is morally wrong as everyone pretty much knows the consequences of a food allergy response from an over excited immune system and the need for adrenalin to countermand it as even the TV soaps and movies have shown this countless times in a fictional context so the guy doing so was deliberately being a menace, but the question has to be asked as to why the fee paying passengers were inconvenienced in the first place.
What causes these allergies is parents who are paranoid and keep their child away from nuts as infants, keep them away from playing outside in the dirt, putting their fingers in their mouths and getting the usual bumps and scrapes of childhood play, Their immune systems and allergy response mechanism does not develop properly. This is further exacerbated by parents who use formulae over breast milk, who only feed their children sterilised canned and jar based food over freshly prepared and who do not encourage their children to play with large groups of children. Whilst reasonable allowances need to be made to accommodate people with disability such as ramps on public buildings, lifting platforms onto public transport, taps at a level in public restrooms that people with disability can use, are we seriously getting to the point where widely used foods are banned from flights, schools, restaurants and other public places because of those with a rare allergy response to air born particulates of such substances? Where commercial companies are expected to accomodate the needs of a minority over the general enjoyment of the majority? Shouldn't the case be that if someone is that allergic they charter a private flight on an aircraft that has been deep cleaned or they do not fly? Alternatively they wear some sort of environmental encounter suit with their own air supply for the duration of the flight at their own cost? There could have been a trace amount of peanuts on a another passenger's hands from pre flight contact or their clothing or luggage or even their breath that could have set someone off that was this sensitive. Obviously when asked not to open a packet on the flight, chosing to do so is morally wrong as everyone pretty much knows the consequences of a food allergy response from an over excited immune system and the need for adrenalin to countermand it as even the TV soaps and movies have shown this countless times in a fictional context so the guy doing so was deliberately being a menace, but the question has to be asked as to why the fee paying passengers were inconvenienced in the first place. André
  • Score: 28

2:56pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Citizen 139 says...

If the reaction to the allergy is so extreme then why are the parents exposing her to such a high risk that's out of their control? Ryanair themselves say that they cannot guarantee the flight will be nut free.

The parents knew the risks and accepted them when booking the flight.

I fully expect the mumsnet brigade to downvote this comment.
If the reaction to the allergy is so extreme then why are the parents exposing her to such a high risk that's out of their control? Ryanair themselves say that they cannot guarantee the flight will be nut free. The parents knew the risks and accepted them when booking the flight. I fully expect the mumsnet brigade to downvote this comment. Citizen 139
  • Score: 36

3:16pm Thu 14 Aug 14

apec96 says...

I have a nut allergy, and whilst I take every precaution I accept that it's not anybody else's fault I have an allergy, however it is not mine (or my parents') either. As a young child I was allowed to do whatever I wanted basically, I was not kept in bubble wrap, I was allowed to eat nuts. For those of you who are clearly uneducated it is the NINTH exposure that shocks the immune system into reacting... I have never personally asked anyone to stop eating nuts just because I'm sat next to them, however I do believe that if you advise someone "please don't do that, it will kill me" then they should respect that...
I have a nut allergy, and whilst I take every precaution I accept that it's not anybody else's fault I have an allergy, however it is not mine (or my parents') either. As a young child I was allowed to do whatever I wanted basically, I was not kept in bubble wrap, I was allowed to eat nuts. For those of you who are clearly uneducated it is the NINTH exposure that shocks the immune system into reacting... I have never personally asked anyone to stop eating nuts just because I'm sat next to them, however I do believe that if you advise someone "please don't do that, it will kill me" then they should respect that... apec96
  • Score: 52

3:34pm Thu 14 Aug 14

barmymarny says...

An absolute disgrace that peanuts are allowed on planes. I recently flew with my daughter who also has a peanut allergy. The lady next to her opened a bag of peanuts and she smelt them immediately! Fortunately she swapped seats with me but the whole plane were given them so she couldn't get away from them! How disgusting! This has now prompted me to write to the airline and complain! Of all the snacks and junk food they can dish out why does it have to be peanuts!!! There are so many people allergic to them and it's life threatening it just should not be allowed!!! Next stop is my letter to the Airline!!! xx
An absolute disgrace that peanuts are allowed on planes. I recently flew with my daughter who also has a peanut allergy. The lady next to her opened a bag of peanuts and she smelt them immediately! Fortunately she swapped seats with me but the whole plane were given them so she couldn't get away from them! How disgusting! This has now prompted me to write to the airline and complain! Of all the snacks and junk food they can dish out why does it have to be peanuts!!! There are so many people allergic to them and it's life threatening it just should not be allowed!!! Next stop is my letter to the Airline!!! xx barmymarny
  • Score: -56

4:03pm Thu 14 Aug 14

shallowJoker says...

André wrote:
What causes these allergies is parents who are paranoid and keep their child away from nuts as infants, keep them away from playing outside in the dirt, putting their fingers in their mouths and getting the usual bumps and scrapes of childhood play, Their immune systems and allergy response mechanism does not develop properly. This is further exacerbated by parents who use formulae over breast milk, who only feed their children sterilised canned and jar based food over freshly prepared and who do not encourage their children to play with large groups of children. Whilst reasonable allowances need to be made to accommodate people with disability such as ramps on public buildings, lifting platforms onto public transport, taps at a level in public restrooms that people with disability can use, are we seriously getting to the point where widely used foods are banned from flights, schools, restaurants and other public places because of those with a rare allergy response to air born particulates of such substances? Where commercial companies are expected to accomodate the needs of a minority over the general enjoyment of the majority? Shouldn't the case be that if someone is that allergic they charter a private flight on an aircraft that has been deep cleaned or they do not fly? Alternatively they wear some sort of environmental encounter suit with their own air supply for the duration of the flight at their own cost? There could have been a trace amount of peanuts on a another passenger's hands from pre flight contact or their clothing or luggage or even their breath that could have set someone off that was this sensitive. Obviously when asked not to open a packet on the flight, chosing to do so is morally wrong as everyone pretty much knows the consequences of a food allergy response from an over excited immune system and the need for adrenalin to countermand it as even the TV soaps and movies have shown this countless times in a fictional context so the guy doing so was deliberately being a menace, but the question has to be asked as to why the fee paying passengers were inconvenienced in the first place.
Complete nonsense, I have started to have alergic reactions to foods I have eaten all my life, if you have never had any alergic reations to anything then lucky you, all I can say is the world is full of ignorant selfish so and so's I for one feel very sorry for this young girl and her family I dont think it was much to ask people refaining from eating nuts for just a small amount of time.
[quote][p][bold]André[/bold] wrote: What causes these allergies is parents who are paranoid and keep their child away from nuts as infants, keep them away from playing outside in the dirt, putting their fingers in their mouths and getting the usual bumps and scrapes of childhood play, Their immune systems and allergy response mechanism does not develop properly. This is further exacerbated by parents who use formulae over breast milk, who only feed their children sterilised canned and jar based food over freshly prepared and who do not encourage their children to play with large groups of children. Whilst reasonable allowances need to be made to accommodate people with disability such as ramps on public buildings, lifting platforms onto public transport, taps at a level in public restrooms that people with disability can use, are we seriously getting to the point where widely used foods are banned from flights, schools, restaurants and other public places because of those with a rare allergy response to air born particulates of such substances? Where commercial companies are expected to accomodate the needs of a minority over the general enjoyment of the majority? Shouldn't the case be that if someone is that allergic they charter a private flight on an aircraft that has been deep cleaned or they do not fly? Alternatively they wear some sort of environmental encounter suit with their own air supply for the duration of the flight at their own cost? There could have been a trace amount of peanuts on a another passenger's hands from pre flight contact or their clothing or luggage or even their breath that could have set someone off that was this sensitive. Obviously when asked not to open a packet on the flight, chosing to do so is morally wrong as everyone pretty much knows the consequences of a food allergy response from an over excited immune system and the need for adrenalin to countermand it as even the TV soaps and movies have shown this countless times in a fictional context so the guy doing so was deliberately being a menace, but the question has to be asked as to why the fee paying passengers were inconvenienced in the first place.[/p][/quote]Complete nonsense, I have started to have alergic reactions to foods I have eaten all my life, if you have never had any alergic reations to anything then lucky you, all I can say is the world is full of ignorant selfish so and so's I for one feel very sorry for this young girl and her family I dont think it was much to ask people refaining from eating nuts for just a small amount of time. shallowJoker
  • Score: -5

4:04pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Yakateeyak says...

Thank you to Fae's family for trying to do some good from their terrifying experience and raise awareness and educate people about allergies. Many of the comments on this article highlight just how much ignorance there is surrounding allergies. Maybe the posters time would be better spent reading up on this subject rather than leaving ill informed posts. Silly silly people *shakes head*
Thank you to Fae's family for trying to do some good from their terrifying experience and raise awareness and educate people about allergies. Many of the comments on this article highlight just how much ignorance there is surrounding allergies. Maybe the posters time would be better spent reading up on this subject rather than leaving ill informed posts. Silly silly people *shakes head* Yakateeyak
  • Score: -9

4:29pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Madcowmac says...

Ban nuts on planes no why should they, I don't drink, can't stand the smell of it so ban alcohol on flights.
Ban nuts on planes no why should they, I don't drink, can't stand the smell of it so ban alcohol on flights. Madcowmac
  • Score: 17

5:32pm Thu 14 Aug 14

stevedawson says...

What should be looked at as a matter of concern is the air quality we all sit in when we fly.why poor quality air?
What should be looked at as a matter of concern is the air quality we all sit in when we fly.why poor quality air? stevedawson
  • Score: 28

5:50pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

Opinions, opinions from everywhere with the usual objections directed at anyone who dares to suggest the eating of peanuts should be banned. I'm sure nobody wants harm to come to Fae, however, her parents should take their parental responsibility far more seriously and rather than just expect everyone will comply they need to question their own actions. Rather than being outraged they should not have put their child in this position in the first place, particularly as this flight was returning from a family holiday! Perhaps in future they should holiday in the UK or travel by boat across the channel rather than and put their child at risk on a flight.
Opinions, opinions from everywhere with the usual objections directed at anyone who dares to suggest the eating of peanuts should be banned. I'm sure nobody wants harm to come to Fae, however, her parents should take their parental responsibility far more seriously and rather than just expect everyone will comply they need to question their own actions. Rather than being outraged they should not have put their child in this position in the first place, particularly as this flight was returning from a family holiday! Perhaps in future they should holiday in the UK or travel by boat across the channel rather than and put their child at risk on a flight. Say It As It Is OK?
  • Score: 43

6:36pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Suffolkcommuter says...

This story is nuts!
This story is nuts! Suffolkcommuter
  • Score: 9

11:28pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Boris says...

barmymarny wrote:
An absolute disgrace that peanuts are allowed on planes. I recently flew with my daughter who also has a peanut allergy. The lady next to her opened a bag of peanuts and she smelt them immediately! Fortunately she swapped seats with me but the whole plane were given them so she couldn't get away from them! How disgusting! This has now prompted me to write to the airline and complain! Of all the snacks and junk food they can dish out why does it have to be peanuts!!! There are so many people allergic to them and it's life threatening it just should not be allowed!!! Next stop is my letter to the Airline!!! xx
What airline was it that you and your daughter flew on? And did you warn the airline in advance that your daughter had a peanut allergy?
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Read the printed report in to-day's Gazette and you will see that Ryanair made announcements asking passengers not to open any bags of nuts they had on them. They also announced that they would not be selling any nuts during the flight. So they did a lot to try to protect the child.
But did the offending passenger understand English? In my experience of Ryanair, they only make their announcements in English. This is not good enough for safety warnings. The printed report says the flight was from Tenerife, so the nut allergy announcement should have been made in Spanish as well as English.
The printed report also says Ryanair have banned the offending passenger for life from flying on any of their planes. I hope they got his name, and that they really do ban him from all their future flights, but I wonder whether they will really be able to implement this ban. Once he gets a new passport, they will no longer be able to identify him uniquely.
[quote][p][bold]barmymarny[/bold] wrote: An absolute disgrace that peanuts are allowed on planes. I recently flew with my daughter who also has a peanut allergy. The lady next to her opened a bag of peanuts and she smelt them immediately! Fortunately she swapped seats with me but the whole plane were given them so she couldn't get away from them! How disgusting! This has now prompted me to write to the airline and complain! Of all the snacks and junk food they can dish out why does it have to be peanuts!!! There are so many people allergic to them and it's life threatening it just should not be allowed!!! Next stop is my letter to the Airline!!! xx[/p][/quote]What airline was it that you and your daughter flew on? And did you warn the airline in advance that your daughter had a peanut allergy? . Read the printed report in to-day's Gazette and you will see that Ryanair made announcements asking passengers not to open any bags of nuts they had on them. They also announced that they would not be selling any nuts during the flight. So they did a lot to try to protect the child. But did the offending passenger understand English? In my experience of Ryanair, they only make their announcements in English. This is not good enough for safety warnings. The printed report says the flight was from Tenerife, so the nut allergy announcement should have been made in Spanish as well as English. The printed report also says Ryanair have banned the offending passenger for life from flying on any of their planes. I hope they got his name, and that they really do ban him from all their future flights, but I wonder whether they will really be able to implement this ban. Once he gets a new passport, they will no longer be able to identify him uniquely. Boris
  • Score: 1

11:30pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Boris says...

stevedawson wrote:
What should be looked at as a matter of concern is the air quality we all sit in when we fly.why poor quality air?
Agreed the recytcled air is poor quality, but how much extra do you want to pay for your ticket?
[quote][p][bold]stevedawson[/bold] wrote: What should be looked at as a matter of concern is the air quality we all sit in when we fly.why poor quality air?[/p][/quote]Agreed the recytcled air is poor quality, but how much extra do you want to pay for your ticket? Boris
  • Score: 4

12:32am Sat 16 Aug 14

Sambo86 says...

As the parent of a child with nut allergies I feel like I have to comment, i rarely do I normally just read all your drivel and either laugh or rant but today in particular has really got my goat.

My 4 year old son had a reaction to a Bueno kinderbar when he was 2 years old his face was swollen he was covered in hives and as a parent it is the single most terrifying thing I have ever witnessed knowing what could be the end result if he wasn't treated quick enough. He was subsequently diagnosed with a hazelnut allegory and a Jext pen and will be tested for different nuts when he is older as his arms are not big enough for all the tests at the moment.

He is not wrapped in cotton wool we are just conscientious about when he eats and don't give him anything that obviously has nuts in. I'm sure other parents with these allergies suffer like we do as near enough everything has may contain nuts written on to the point of madness!

We have every right to holiday like the rest of you, i want my children to see the world and be educated on other cultures do you expect us to get boats to the middle east, America etc? Are you actually so selfish that you couldn't go without a bag of nuts for the length of the flight for the sake of someones life???

Day in day out you all moan about the state this town is coming to well with people like you living here then whats to be expected really, all i can say on a final note is that if when the flight attendants informed you my son with a nut allergy was on board and nuts were banned if you proceeded to open a packet that could kill my child they would be promptly inserted up your backside!!
As the parent of a child with nut allergies I feel like I have to comment, i rarely do I normally just read all your drivel and either laugh or rant but today in particular has really got my goat. My 4 year old son had a reaction to a Bueno kinderbar when he was 2 years old his face was swollen he was covered in hives and as a parent it is the single most terrifying thing I have ever witnessed knowing what could be the end result if he wasn't treated quick enough. He was subsequently diagnosed with a hazelnut allegory and a Jext pen and will be tested for different nuts when he is older as his arms are not big enough for all the tests at the moment. He is not wrapped in cotton wool we are just conscientious about when he eats and don't give him anything that obviously has nuts in. I'm sure other parents with these allergies suffer like we do as near enough everything has may contain nuts written on to the point of madness! We have every right to holiday like the rest of you, i want my children to see the world and be educated on other cultures do you expect us to get boats to the middle east, America etc? Are you actually so selfish that you couldn't go without a bag of nuts for the length of the flight for the sake of someones life??? Day in day out you all moan about the state this town is coming to well with people like you living here then whats to be expected really, all i can say on a final note is that if when the flight attendants informed you my son with a nut allergy was on board and nuts were banned if you proceeded to open a packet that could kill my child they would be promptly inserted up your backside!! Sambo86
  • Score: 4

3:40pm Sat 16 Aug 14

InspectorMontalbano says...

Whatever the argument whether resistivity has been curtailed or allergies have come on i later years.
This inconsiderate person was a real pillock
Where was the Air Guard call them in to sort it out.
Very much like the twit that was smoking in the toilets on an short haul flight i was on he got his collar felt on landing.
Some people just cannot control themselves they don't consider other people.
Similar to ciggie smoke we have to breath in from nicotine desperados when walking around the towns what a joke.
Cold turkey please:
Whatever the argument whether resistivity has been curtailed or allergies have come on i later years. This inconsiderate person was a real pillock Where was the Air Guard call them in to sort it out. Very much like the twit that was smoking in the toilets on an short haul flight i was on he got his collar felt on landing. Some people just cannot control themselves they don't consider other people. Similar to ciggie smoke we have to breath in from nicotine desperados when walking around the towns what a joke. Cold turkey please: InspectorMontalbano
  • Score: 4

10:20am Mon 18 Aug 14

romantic says...

Plane Air is typically partially recycled and partly fresh, and filtered so that it is normally more germ-free than in most public buildings. In a normal plane, the air is at a pressure equivalent to about 6,000 feet. The main difference with non-plane air is the very low humidity. This is because air is being sucked in from outside, where moisture is low. Re-humidifying would mean carrying water - extra weight. None of this makes much difference in this specific case, but although the air is partly recycled, it is also effectively refreshed every 3 minutes or so.

I'm a child of the 70s and it does seem inexplicable that there are now so many allergies around. I seriously don't remember any kid at school who had a nut allergy, so where on earth has it all come from? Nobody really seems to know. Pesticides? GM food? Processed food? Sedentary lifestyle? Go online and there are dozens of theories, but none which have specific causal linkage.

As to this specific child: yes, the person who opened the packet should not have done so. I suspect he decided that it was all basically a fuss about nothing when the announcements were made, and has now learned that lesson a hard way. The danger for this child is that she will literally have to go through life checking for nuts. This situation is potentially there on any future bus trip or train journey, and every meal time. I have no idea is this kind of extreme allergy dies down over time, or if it's literally there for life. Poor kid if that's the case.
Plane Air is typically partially recycled and partly fresh, and filtered so that it is normally more germ-free than in most public buildings. In a normal plane, the air is at a pressure equivalent to about 6,000 feet. The main difference with non-plane air is the very low humidity. This is because air is being sucked in from outside, where moisture is low. Re-humidifying would mean carrying water - extra weight. None of this makes much difference in this specific case, but although the air is partly recycled, it is also effectively refreshed every 3 minutes or so. I'm a child of the 70s and it does seem inexplicable that there are now so many allergies around. I seriously don't remember any kid at school who had a nut allergy, so where on earth has it all come from? Nobody really seems to know. Pesticides? GM food? Processed food? Sedentary lifestyle? Go online and there are dozens of theories, but none which have specific causal linkage. As to this specific child: yes, the person who opened the packet should not have done so. I suspect he decided that it was all basically a fuss about nothing when the announcements were made, and has now learned that lesson a hard way. The danger for this child is that she will literally have to go through life checking for nuts. This situation is potentially there on any future bus trip or train journey, and every meal time. I have no idea is this kind of extreme allergy dies down over time, or if it's literally there for life. Poor kid if that's the case. romantic
  • Score: -2

2:37pm Wed 20 Aug 14

beckyyc17 says...

André wrote:
What causes these allergies is parents who are paranoid and keep their child away from nuts as infants, keep them away from playing outside in the dirt, putting their fingers in their mouths and getting the usual bumps and scrapes of childhood play, Their immune systems and allergy response mechanism does not develop properly. This is further exacerbated by parents who use formulae over breast milk, who only feed their children sterilised canned and jar based food over freshly prepared and who do not encourage their children to play with large groups of children. Whilst reasonable allowances need to be made to accommodate people with disability such as ramps on public buildings, lifting platforms onto public transport, taps at a level in public restrooms that people with disability can use, are we seriously getting to the point where widely used foods are banned from flights, schools, restaurants and other public places because of those with a rare allergy response to air born particulates of such substances? Where commercial companies are expected to accomodate the needs of a minority over the general enjoyment of the majority? Shouldn't the case be that if someone is that allergic they charter a private flight on an aircraft that has been deep cleaned or they do not fly? Alternatively they wear some sort of environmental encounter suit with their own air supply for the duration of the flight at their own cost? There could have been a trace amount of peanuts on a another passenger's hands from pre flight contact or their clothing or luggage or even their breath that could have set someone off that was this sensitive. Obviously when asked not to open a packet on the flight, chosing to do so is morally wrong as everyone pretty much knows the consequences of a food allergy response from an over excited immune system and the need for adrenalin to countermand it as even the TV soaps and movies have shown this countless times in a fictional context so the guy doing so was deliberately being a menace, but the question has to be asked as to why the fee paying passengers were inconvenienced in the first place.
Not necessarily correct, I have a life-threatening nut allergy and my mum ate nuts during her whole pregnancy, believing it would in fact PREVENT a nut allergy. She gave me a bag of mixed nuts at the age of 1 and I stopped breathing. I have been eating products with traces of nuts in my whole life, mingled with kids regardless of what they have been eating and my allergy is still as strong as ever.

I hardly think asking a man to refrain from eating peanuts is a big request, he is hardly being starved; plenty of other harmless food is readily available. Oh and a nut allergy is no longer 'rare', 1 in 50 children now have a nut allergy. Given the increase, I think restaurants and schools etc. should in fact be compromising if it means saving someone's life. I don't mean stop the use of nut products altogether, just prepare a few meals which can actually guarantee nut free. It is a constant worry eating out, every second of my meal I am sitting there worrying if I'm going to react or not. If I was to board a plane, I would expect everyone to show some consideration and refrain from eating peanuts. I have never reacted to someone simply eating nuts near me, but on a plane it is such a tight and close atmosphere I could well do. Until you know what it's like to suffer from such an awful allergy, I don't think you're in much of a place to comment.
[quote][p][bold]André[/bold] wrote: What causes these allergies is parents who are paranoid and keep their child away from nuts as infants, keep them away from playing outside in the dirt, putting their fingers in their mouths and getting the usual bumps and scrapes of childhood play, Their immune systems and allergy response mechanism does not develop properly. This is further exacerbated by parents who use formulae over breast milk, who only feed their children sterilised canned and jar based food over freshly prepared and who do not encourage their children to play with large groups of children. Whilst reasonable allowances need to be made to accommodate people with disability such as ramps on public buildings, lifting platforms onto public transport, taps at a level in public restrooms that people with disability can use, are we seriously getting to the point where widely used foods are banned from flights, schools, restaurants and other public places because of those with a rare allergy response to air born particulates of such substances? Where commercial companies are expected to accomodate the needs of a minority over the general enjoyment of the majority? Shouldn't the case be that if someone is that allergic they charter a private flight on an aircraft that has been deep cleaned or they do not fly? Alternatively they wear some sort of environmental encounter suit with their own air supply for the duration of the flight at their own cost? There could have been a trace amount of peanuts on a another passenger's hands from pre flight contact or their clothing or luggage or even their breath that could have set someone off that was this sensitive. Obviously when asked not to open a packet on the flight, chosing to do so is morally wrong as everyone pretty much knows the consequences of a food allergy response from an over excited immune system and the need for adrenalin to countermand it as even the TV soaps and movies have shown this countless times in a fictional context so the guy doing so was deliberately being a menace, but the question has to be asked as to why the fee paying passengers were inconvenienced in the first place.[/p][/quote]Not necessarily correct, I have a life-threatening nut allergy and my mum ate nuts during her whole pregnancy, believing it would in fact PREVENT a nut allergy. She gave me a bag of mixed nuts at the age of 1 and I stopped breathing. I have been eating products with traces of nuts in my whole life, mingled with kids regardless of what they have been eating and my allergy is still as strong as ever. I hardly think asking a man to refrain from eating peanuts is a big request, he is hardly being starved; plenty of other harmless food is readily available. Oh and a nut allergy is no longer 'rare', 1 in 50 children now have a nut allergy. Given the increase, I think restaurants and schools etc. should in fact be compromising if it means saving someone's life. I don't mean stop the use of nut products altogether, just prepare a few meals which can actually guarantee nut free. It is a constant worry eating out, every second of my meal I am sitting there worrying if I'm going to react or not. If I was to board a plane, I would expect everyone to show some consideration and refrain from eating peanuts. I have never reacted to someone simply eating nuts near me, but on a plane it is such a tight and close atmosphere I could well do. Until you know what it's like to suffer from such an awful allergy, I don't think you're in much of a place to comment. beckyyc17
  • Score: 3

5:17pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Jess says...

i just saw an article that these nutters (no pun intended) were denied their seats on a return flight due to their ridiculous request. The airline said "we are not a nut free airline" I feel bad for the extent they're limited, but hey- Those are the cards you were dealt. Don't dwell on what you can't do, enjoy what you can! :)

These people should be more careful with their child's health since her allergy is so unusually severe.
i just saw an article that these nutters (no pun intended) were denied their seats on a return flight due to their ridiculous request. The airline said "we are not a nut free airline" I feel bad for the extent they're limited, but hey- Those are the cards you were dealt. Don't dwell on what you can't do, enjoy what you can! :) These people should be more careful with their child's health since her allergy is so unusually severe. Jess
  • Score: -2

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