Nightspot told it must serve food into the early hours to make sure customers don't come out drunk

Gazette: Nightspot told it must serve food into the early hours to make sure customers don't come out drunk Nightspot told it must serve food into the early hours to make sure customers don't come out drunk

A NIGHTSPOT which hopes to transform Colchester’s early hours nightlife has been told it will have to serve food until 30 minutes before its closing time.

The Hudson, which can open until 2.30am, had hoped to remove the unique condition from its licence so the last time customers could order food would be between 9.30pm and 10.30pm.

But the application was opposed by Essex Police on public disorder grounds and was refused by Colchester Council licensing bosses.

Sgt Sue Richardson, Essex Police licensing officer, said: “If this was to go ahead, this would leave up to five and a half hours for patrons to maximise drinking time.

“Those extra five and a half hours would make quite a difference for us, given that this was sold to us as a two-thirds food and one-third drinking premises.

“Removing the food for us changes the dynamic completely.”

As part of the application, Elysium, which will run the venue, sought to scrap an admittance cap of 200 people because it plans to use the whole of the building’s three storeys as well as the basement. Some 800 people will now be allowed in the building.

Sgt Richardson added: “I hope The Hudson is a real hit, but we would have concerns about that many people coming out at night into a very busy Head Street.”

That was the only change granted by the council after Friday’s licensing hearing.

Ash Afzalnia, Elysium managing director, had tried to convince the committee the new nightspot would add something different to the town’s night time economy.

But in a statement, the three-person committee said: “[We] were not persuaded by the arguments put forward by the applicant on this point."

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9:10am Thu 17 Jul 14

totallyfootball says...

Have you ever heard anything so ridiculous? Just stop serving those that have had too much! Licencing in this town is a joke, get rid of Kavanagh now!
Have you ever heard anything so ridiculous? Just stop serving those that have had too much! Licencing in this town is a joke, get rid of Kavanagh now! totallyfootball
  • Score: 24

9:21am Thu 17 Jul 14

Ritchie_Hicks says...

Pathetic!

The idea that forcing the venue to sell food later will stop 800 people getting drunk is absolutely ludicrous. It beggars belief that people are actually paid to come up with these hairbrained ideas.
Pathetic! The idea that forcing the venue to sell food later will stop 800 people getting drunk is absolutely ludicrous. It beggars belief that people are actually paid to come up with these hairbrained ideas. Ritchie_Hicks
  • Score: 23

9:23am Thu 17 Jul 14

HARRY438 says...

Double Scotch & chips?
Double Scotch & chips? HARRY438
  • Score: 22

9:43am Thu 17 Jul 14

Shambolic says...

...but if they presented themselves as a mainly food based venue. Surely they should actually do that?
...but if they presented themselves as a mainly food based venue. Surely they should actually do that? Shambolic
  • Score: 18

10:25am Thu 17 Jul 14

HARRY438 says...

Let them have the freedom to do what they want to make money but just close at midnight.Or before?
Let them have the freedom to do what they want to make money but just close at midnight.Or before? HARRY438
  • Score: 10

10:31am Thu 17 Jul 14

hughie-s says...

They are going to force feed the customers?
They are going to force feed the customers? hughie-s
  • Score: 9

10:40am Thu 17 Jul 14

JBoswick says...

Do what the hippo did and stick a hot dog machine in the corner. Job done!
Do what the hippo did and stick a hot dog machine in the corner. Job done! JBoswick
  • Score: 8

11:09am Thu 17 Jul 14

romantic says...

Seems to me this would be easy enough to get round with somebody cooking up a few hot dogs or portions of chips. From their website, they seem to be mainly a food place during the day and early evening, before morphing into the evening into a "down-town Manhattan-style bar". So they can keep a fryer on and fulfil the food aspect. Nobody will be forced to eat.

Let's see what it's actually like at 1.30 am on a typical weekend. It may start out as something slightly alternative, but probably best not to expect too much of that down-town Manhattan style in a few months time.
Seems to me this would be easy enough to get round with somebody cooking up a few hot dogs or portions of chips. From their website, they seem to be mainly a food place during the day and early evening, before morphing into the evening into a "down-town Manhattan-style bar". So they can keep a fryer on and fulfil the food aspect. Nobody will be forced to eat. Let's see what it's actually like at 1.30 am on a typical weekend. It may start out as something slightly alternative, but probably best not to expect too much of that down-town Manhattan style in a few months time. romantic
  • Score: 7

11:15am Thu 17 Jul 14

Davidmills says...

There is a better way to stop getting drunk , do not keep giving out the licences to these clubs to service all hours of the day and night, lets get back to when night clubs shut a midnight or the latest 1 in the morning.
There is a better way to stop getting drunk , do not keep giving out the licences to these clubs to service all hours of the day and night, lets get back to when night clubs shut a midnight or the latest 1 in the morning. Davidmills
  • Score: 15

11:35am Thu 17 Jul 14

Route88 says...

More vomit on the streets!
More vomit on the streets! Route88
  • Score: 19

11:57am Thu 17 Jul 14

super waluigi says...

I can't imagine eating after 10 pm, never mind 2am!!!! Who wants hotdogs and burgers on top of a few pints????
I can't imagine eating after 10 pm, never mind 2am!!!! Who wants hotdogs and burgers on top of a few pints???? super waluigi
  • Score: 7

12:38pm Thu 17 Jul 14

wormshero says...

super waluigi wrote:
I can't imagine eating after 10 pm, never mind 2am!!!! Who wants hotdogs and burgers on top of a few pints????
I don't, but the gross looking takeaways in town always seem to be busy in the early hours of Saturday and Sunday morning so clearly some people do!
Can't imagine how it'll work in a bar with 800 people though! With that kind of number quoted I presume it won't be table service.
[quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: I can't imagine eating after 10 pm, never mind 2am!!!! Who wants hotdogs and burgers on top of a few pints????[/p][/quote]I don't, but the gross looking takeaways in town always seem to be busy in the early hours of Saturday and Sunday morning so clearly some people do! Can't imagine how it'll work in a bar with 800 people though! With that kind of number quoted I presume it won't be table service. wormshero
  • Score: -4

12:55pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Shoosh1905 says...

If you lot don't like it you don't have to go, I can't imagine you are strolling around the high st at the early hours of the morning so why do you care what goes on while you are in bed? If you all come back and say " I live near this place blah blah blah" then too bad go and live in some boring town with all the other loser and let the rest of us get on with our lives.

It is however madness that they have to serve food, let the establishment do what they want when they want and let the market decide. If people step out of line we pay enough in Police budgets to clean up the mess with ZERO TOLLERANCE for morons who can't obide by the rules!!
If you lot don't like it you don't have to go, I can't imagine you are strolling around the high st at the early hours of the morning so why do you care what goes on while you are in bed? If you all come back and say " I live near this place blah blah blah" then too bad go and live in some boring town with all the other loser and let the rest of us get on with our lives. It is however madness that they have to serve food, let the establishment do what they want when they want and let the market decide. If people step out of line we pay enough in Police budgets to clean up the mess with ZERO TOLLERANCE for morons who can't obide by the rules!! Shoosh1905
  • Score: -38

12:57pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Shoosh1905 says...

what happened to 24hr drinking if I want a drink at 6am I should be able to find it! but I can't! This country is behind the times.
what happened to 24hr drinking if I want a drink at 6am I should be able to find it! but I can't! This country is behind the times. Shoosh1905
  • Score: -33

1:03pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Route88 says...

Shoosh1905 wrote:
what happened to 24hr drinking if I want a drink at 6am I should be able to find it! but I can't! This country is behind the times.
All I want at that time is coffee or tea!
[quote][p][bold]Shoosh1905[/bold] wrote: what happened to 24hr drinking if I want a drink at 6am I should be able to find it! but I can't! This country is behind the times.[/p][/quote]All I want at that time is coffee or tea! Route88
  • Score: 8

1:09pm Thu 17 Jul 14

super waluigi says...

wormshero wrote:
super waluigi wrote:
I can't imagine eating after 10 pm, never mind 2am!!!! Who wants hotdogs and burgers on top of a few pints????
I don't, but the gross looking takeaways in town always seem to be busy in the early hours of Saturday and Sunday morning so clearly some people do!
Can't imagine how it'll work in a bar with 800 people though! With that kind of number quoted I presume it won't be table service.
That's true. Perhaps this will start a new world wide trend!!!! Can't see it working, kebabs from a proper kebsb shop are one thing, Iceland burgers and birds eye fish fingers are another.
[quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: I can't imagine eating after 10 pm, never mind 2am!!!! Who wants hotdogs and burgers on top of a few pints????[/p][/quote]I don't, but the gross looking takeaways in town always seem to be busy in the early hours of Saturday and Sunday morning so clearly some people do! Can't imagine how it'll work in a bar with 800 people though! With that kind of number quoted I presume it won't be table service.[/p][/quote]That's true. Perhaps this will start a new world wide trend!!!! Can't see it working, kebabs from a proper kebsb shop are one thing, Iceland burgers and birds eye fish fingers are another. super waluigi
  • Score: 0

1:22pm Thu 17 Jul 14

sam vines says...

As much as the police kick off about this some idiot at CBC is going to let them get away with the changes when Elysium appeal.
As much as the police kick off about this some idiot at CBC is going to let them get away with the changes when Elysium appeal. sam vines
  • Score: 5

1:40pm Thu 17 Jul 14

HARRY438 says...

Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps.
There was a pub in Zurich that used to serve good food all day & turn into a strip club in the evening. They were v. busy with the food but when it was change over time the place was deserted except for staff.
Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps. There was a pub in Zurich that used to serve good food all day & turn into a strip club in the evening. They were v. busy with the food but when it was change over time the place was deserted except for staff. HARRY438
  • Score: 0

2:31pm Thu 17 Jul 14

paperboy10 says...

It's quite simple, this decision has been taken to stop the process of historic applications being made of a food venue that has absolutely not intention of ever providing food. The previous owner of this venue promised to be mainly a restaurant knowing that the lience for such a venue is looked on more favourably by the police. I guess the Police suspected that this was possibly what Eslysium were up to in this case.
It's quite simple, this decision has been taken to stop the process of historic applications being made of a food venue that has absolutely not intention of ever providing food. The previous owner of this venue promised to be mainly a restaurant knowing that the lience for such a venue is looked on more favourably by the police. I guess the Police suspected that this was possibly what Eslysium were up to in this case. paperboy10
  • Score: 4

2:59pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Taj says...

In many countries that I have visited it is common practice to serve food whenever alcohol is on sale it isn't a problem let it happen.
In many countries that I have visited it is common practice to serve food whenever alcohol is on sale it isn't a problem let it happen. Taj
  • Score: 2

3:34pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Heinz says...

The imposition of this 'condition' is ridiculous. The fact that 'food' must be AVAILABLE will have no impact on those wishing to drink themselves into a stupour (which, for some reason, seems to be the fad these days); they won't stop drinking to eat.
The imposition of this 'condition' is ridiculous. The fact that 'food' must be AVAILABLE will have no impact on those wishing to drink themselves into a stupour (which, for some reason, seems to be the fad these days); they won't stop drinking to eat. Heinz
  • Score: 6

3:41pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Ritchie_Hicks says...

Taj wrote:
In many countries that I have visited it is common practice to serve food whenever alcohol is on sale it isn't a problem let it happen.
You're absolutely correct, but the drinking culture is usually totally different.

This venue isn't going to be like a bar in Paris on a warm summers night where you can get a club sandwich and bottle of wine at 1am and sit outside watching the world go by.
[quote][p][bold]Taj[/bold] wrote: In many countries that I have visited it is common practice to serve food whenever alcohol is on sale it isn't a problem let it happen.[/p][/quote]You're absolutely correct, but the drinking culture is usually totally different. This venue isn't going to be like a bar in Paris on a warm summers night where you can get a club sandwich and bottle of wine at 1am and sit outside watching the world go by. Ritchie_Hicks
  • Score: 3

8:00pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

HARRY438 wrote:
Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps.
There was a pub in Zurich that used to serve good food all day & turn into a strip club in the evening. They were v. busy with the food but when it was change over time the place was deserted except for staff.
Staff...And of course HARRY438!
[quote][p][bold]HARRY438[/bold] wrote: Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps. There was a pub in Zurich that used to serve good food all day & turn into a strip club in the evening. They were v. busy with the food but when it was change over time the place was deserted except for staff.[/p][/quote]Staff...And of course HARRY438! Say It As It Is OK?
  • Score: 6

11:49pm Thu 17 Jul 14

co4 says...

JBoswick wrote:
Do what the hippo did and stick a hot dog machine in the corner. Job done!
I had my own sit down restaurant up on the first floor back in 1998. Funnily enough 3 course meals weren't that popular with lagered up squaddies.

All Hudson has to do is have the facilities to cook food and a designated area to eat which usually means a little table with 2 chairs bunged right in the corner with a reserved sign on it.
[quote][p][bold]JBoswick[/bold] wrote: Do what the hippo did and stick a hot dog machine in the corner. Job done![/p][/quote]I had my own sit down restaurant up on the first floor back in 1998. Funnily enough 3 course meals weren't that popular with lagered up squaddies. All Hudson has to do is have the facilities to cook food and a designated area to eat which usually means a little table with 2 chairs bunged right in the corner with a reserved sign on it. co4
  • Score: 4

9:02am Fri 18 Jul 14

HARRY438 says...

Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
HARRY438 wrote:
Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps.
There was a pub in Zurich that used to serve good food all day & turn into a strip club in the evening. They were v. busy with the food but when it was change over time the place was deserted except for staff.
Staff...And of course HARRY438!
I wondered who'd spot that ,I was too idle to change pubs in the middle of a Swiss Winter,especially after a good meal & a few pints!
[quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HARRY438[/bold] wrote: Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps. There was a pub in Zurich that used to serve good food all day & turn into a strip club in the evening. They were v. busy with the food but when it was change over time the place was deserted except for staff.[/p][/quote]Staff...And of course HARRY438![/p][/quote]I wondered who'd spot that ,I was too idle to change pubs in the middle of a Swiss Winter,especially after a good meal & a few pints! HARRY438
  • Score: 1

9:15am Fri 18 Jul 14

HARRY438 says...

It was a strange situation, I would arrive after 10 hours on the road,a waitress would serve the food & beer & then at 8 o'clock the plates & condiments would be cleared ,the locals would leave,lights go down,DJ appears & the strippers go into auto mode. During the change-over I sat there with the same glass of beer & was transformed from exhausted working man to mysterious night club dude without lifting a finger until realizing that the price of beer would go up if I ordered another one.But it was 20% below zero outside so things could've been worse.
It was a strange situation, I would arrive after 10 hours on the road,a waitress would serve the food & beer & then at 8 o'clock the plates & condiments would be cleared ,the locals would leave,lights go down,DJ appears & the strippers go into auto mode. During the change-over I sat there with the same glass of beer & was transformed from exhausted working man to mysterious night club dude without lifting a finger until realizing that the price of beer would go up if I ordered another one.But it was 20% below zero outside so things could've been worse. HARRY438
  • Score: 4

9:22pm Sun 20 Jul 14

InspectorMontalbano says...

What a load of twaddle.
It used to go on at the windmill.
So the boffins got round it by serving a basket of chips.
£1 worth of fries and you can f**k your face off for the rest of the night.
What a load of twaddle. It used to go on at the windmill. So the boffins got round it by serving a basket of chips. £1 worth of fries and you can f**k your face off for the rest of the night. InspectorMontalbano
  • Score: 2

12:10am Mon 21 Jul 14

southstand says...

This town and this country is a joke, why have everything open so late all people do is go out later usually full of drink already, resulting in more policing hours and even later disturbance for residents, no extra income for bars just later income hence exhorbitant drink prices, rewind thirty years to places like the windmill I remember having a great time in there and out the door by 1.00am! as well as being open half the night the bl##dy street lights are off, you couldn't make it up!
This town and this country is a joke, why have everything open so late all people do is go out later usually full of drink already, resulting in more policing hours and even later disturbance for residents, no extra income for bars just later income hence exhorbitant drink prices, rewind thirty years to places like the windmill I remember having a great time in there and out the door by 1.00am! as well as being open half the night the bl##dy street lights are off, you couldn't make it up! southstand
  • Score: 3

10:02am Mon 21 Jul 14

Catchedicam says...

There must be some really ancient people on here.. talking about remembering when nightclubs were closing at 1pm!! Even why I was interested in such things in the 70's they closed at 2pm!

We still preloaded, tries to sneak in a bottle of vodka, and made very noisy and boisterous exits, some got arrested some didn't. One thing we didn't have was a SOS bus and yet somehow we got home and lived to tell the tale. The requirement to serve food where drink was sold was a first thought of in 1916 in this country but finally disposed of in 1971 (State Management Schemes). Serving food with alcohol is the norm in mainland Europe so what's the problem?
There must be some really ancient people on here.. talking about remembering when nightclubs were closing at 1pm!! Even why I was interested in such things in the 70's they closed at 2pm! We still preloaded, tries to sneak in a bottle of vodka, and made very noisy and boisterous exits, some got arrested some didn't. One thing we didn't have was a SOS bus and yet somehow we got home and lived to tell the tale. The requirement to serve food where drink was sold was a first thought of in 1916 in this country but finally disposed of in 1971 (State Management Schemes). Serving food with alcohol is the norm in mainland Europe so what's the problem? Catchedicam
  • Score: 1

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