Town centre bar facing opposition to open until 4am

Gazette: Town centre bar facing opposition to open until 4am Town centre bar facing opposition to open until 4am

A TOWN centre nightspot is facing opposition because it wants to open until 4am.

The Hudson Bar and Grill, which is yet to open, in Head Street, Colchester, has applied to open its members’ lounge 'XV' until 4am on weekends.

It also wants to open its public bar until 3.30am.

But Essex Police have opposed the move, which is set to be decided on Friday, on the grounds of public safety.

Claire Quilter, Police Licensing Officer based at Colchester police station, has written to Colchester Council, urging the bar’s application to be turned down.

She said: ”If any these new times were to go ahead it would undermine the prevention of crime and disorder and public nuisance objectives.”

she added: “Due to evidence of the rise in serious and violent crime in Colchester in the early hours, the extended opening of these premises... is not supported.

“Essex Police objects on the grounds of public safety, prevention of crime and disorder and the prevention of public nuisance.”

The officer also said if the application was to be granted, it would confirm a move away from being a food-led bar and grill to a drinking establishment.

She added: “This would have an adverse effect in upholding the licensing objective of the prevention of crime and disorder.”

The Hudson is set to open during the summer and will be run by Elysium Leisure, which also runs nightspots The Dirty Penguin, Waikiki, Mimosa, Qube and River Lodge.

Under the application, bosses also want to remove an attendance restriction of 200 people, which was in place under for bar Nineteen, which closed last year.

The Elysium Group was contacted for comment, but did not respond.

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1:57pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

Enough is enough! Good to see the police finally objecting. Let's hope the licensing committee does not allow such an unacceptable extension.
Enough is enough! Good to see the police finally objecting. Let's hope the licensing committee does not allow such an unacceptable extension. Say It As It Is OK?
  • Score: 17

2:49pm Mon 7 Jul 14

sam vines says...

What should happen is a whole change to this towns drinking culture
Pubs should be allowed to open from 12pm – 12am however the definition of a pub be should the only music it plays is live. If it wants to screen sports it should incur an additional fee which is distributed to the towns primary schools to promote sport.
Clubs are open 10pm – 2am no admittance after 11pm.
Fast food joints closed at 12am.
Off licenses/supermarket
s cannot sell alcohol after 8pm.
An establishment can’t be used for mixed purpose i.e. pub during the day then turns into a club.
Drink promotions are limited to one day every 30 days.
All sounds draconian but you would have to be a fool to think the current situation is ok.
What should happen is a whole change to this towns drinking culture Pubs should be allowed to open from 12pm – 12am however the definition of a pub be should the only music it plays is live. If it wants to screen sports it should incur an additional fee which is distributed to the towns primary schools to promote sport. Clubs are open 10pm – 2am no admittance after 11pm. Fast food joints closed at 12am. Off licenses/supermarket s cannot sell alcohol after 8pm. An establishment can’t be used for mixed purpose i.e. pub during the day then turns into a club. Drink promotions are limited to one day every 30 days. All sounds draconian but you would have to be a fool to think the current situation is ok. sam vines
  • Score: 3

4:42pm Mon 7 Jul 14

siteman says...

Bring back the good old days when last orders were called at 11.00pm then everyone went home to bed ready for an early start in the morning.
Bring back the good old days when last orders were called at 11.00pm then everyone went home to bed ready for an early start in the morning. siteman
  • Score: 9

6:57pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Navajo wife says...

Great comment siteman..why on earth would anyone in Colchester want any drinking establishment to be open so late..there are enough problems with people who don't know when theyve had enough as it is. For all of your sakes we hope this stupid plan is rejected.......
Great comment siteman..why on earth would anyone in Colchester want any drinking establishment to be open so late..there are enough problems with people who don't know when theyve had enough as it is. For all of your sakes we hope this stupid plan is rejected....... Navajo wife
  • Score: 0

7:13pm Mon 7 Jul 14

beckncall says...

time for the coucillors to stand up and be counted, its no good getting tough in queen st if your simply going to move the problem to head st
time for the coucillors to stand up and be counted, its no good getting tough in queen st if your simply going to move the problem to head st beckncall
  • Score: 2

12:34pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Shoosh1905 says...

It's about time that we started living in the 21st century, if people want to drink at any time as long as they are adults and not harming others, they should be allowed too!
I'm not a child and should be treated as such by the government.
For those who complain about the noise, if you don't like it don't live in a town centre stop ruining it for the rest of us!!
For those who complain about fighting etc, why are the Police not practicing Zero tolerance! We pay enough in taxes to have a Police Force and the street lights left on.

To anybody who says we don't have the funds, I'd like to see a full breakdown of the public accounts for the Taxpayers alliance to churn through and recommend cuts.
£100k on biscuits or cushy pensions for the staff isn't acceptable when we aren't lighting our streets.
It's about time that we started living in the 21st century, if people want to drink at any time as long as they are adults and not harming others, they should be allowed too! I'm not a child and should be treated as such by the government. For those who complain about the noise, if you don't like it don't live in a town centre stop ruining it for the rest of us!! For those who complain about fighting etc, why are the Police not practicing Zero tolerance! We pay enough in taxes to have a Police Force and the street lights left on. To anybody who says we don't have the funds, I'd like to see a full breakdown of the public accounts for the Taxpayers alliance to churn through and recommend cuts. £100k on biscuits or cushy pensions for the staff isn't acceptable when we aren't lighting our streets. Shoosh1905
  • Score: 6

12:40pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Shoosh1905 says...

“Due to evidence of the rise in serious and violent crime in Colchester in the early hours, the extended opening of these premises... is not supported. "

So violence in Colchester is to do with the Bars and nothing to do with the street lights being turned off, funny what facts they choose to look at in order to support their current agenda. I thought they recently agreed that you couldn’t attribute the rise in violence after hours to anything in particular and especially not the street lights?
The police basically can't be bothered to look after the streets after dark so they rather impose a curfew to make us all well behaved children (citizens).
“Due to evidence of the rise in serious and violent crime in Colchester in the early hours, the extended opening of these premises... is not supported. " So violence in Colchester is to do with the Bars and nothing to do with the street lights being turned off, funny what facts they choose to look at in order to support their current agenda. I thought they recently agreed that you couldn’t attribute the rise in violence after hours to anything in particular and especially not the street lights? The police basically can't be bothered to look after the streets after dark so they rather impose a curfew to make us all well behaved children (citizens). Shoosh1905
  • Score: 4

2:56pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Nom De Plume says...

Last month someone tried one for 3am now its 4am plus.
Then there is a takeaway wanting to give the stuff away with their fried chicken.
I mean what is this town trying to turn into Gotham City?
Please colchester council & the teflon's
Try not to make this one stick will you?
Last month someone tried one for 3am now its 4am plus. Then there is a takeaway wanting to give the stuff away with their fried chicken. I mean what is this town trying to turn into Gotham City? Please colchester council & the teflon's Try not to make this one stick will you? Nom De Plume
  • Score: 1

5:23pm Tue 8 Jul 14

wormshero says...

Navajo wife wrote:
Great comment siteman..why on earth would anyone in Colchester want any drinking establishment to be open so late..there are enough problems with people who don't know when theyve had enough as it is. For all of your sakes we hope this stupid plan is rejected.......
"I don't want to go out late at night therefore no one should be able to go out and enjoy themselves late at night"? Some people like going out on a Friday/Saturday evening and why shouldn't they? The majority of people are well behaved and if they want to stay out until late that's there choice.

There's another couple of comments in this thread I guess;
"So violence in Colchester is to do with the Bars and nothing to do with the street lights being turned off" - that's what the evidence seems to support. Most late night violent crime is committed in the Queens Street area or the High Street, both of these are well lit areas. I understand why people want the lights on, it can be unnerving walking back in unlit areas but people drinking beyond their limit seems to be more responsible for violence. I still think this is largely the responsibility of the bouncers for allowing wasted people into their bars/clubs.

The majority of people who go out on nights out do so without causing any trouble, it's the minority who cause issues. Is it more likely that they'll cause more trouble at 4am than at 3am? Potentially, I suppose - people could end up drinking more for longer. I don't know if it'd have a big impact (I don't believe anyone else here does either though; I'd be interested to see a study proving what'll happen). That said, if the bar didn't allow people in after 2:30 then it shouldn't end up being the final kicking out point. I think that's probably the biggest issue really; whatever time you throw people out you want a few locations to stop large numbers leaving one place at one time - that's when tensions increase.
[quote][p][bold]Navajo wife[/bold] wrote: Great comment siteman..why on earth would anyone in Colchester want any drinking establishment to be open so late..there are enough problems with people who don't know when theyve had enough as it is. For all of your sakes we hope this stupid plan is rejected.......[/p][/quote]"I don't want to go out late at night therefore no one should be able to go out and enjoy themselves late at night"? Some people like going out on a Friday/Saturday evening and why shouldn't they? The majority of people are well behaved and if they want to stay out until late that's there choice. There's another couple of comments in this thread I guess; "So violence in Colchester is to do with the Bars and nothing to do with the street lights being turned off" - that's what the evidence seems to support. Most late night violent crime is committed in the Queens Street area or the High Street, both of these are well lit areas. I understand why people want the lights on, it can be unnerving walking back in unlit areas but people drinking beyond their limit seems to be more responsible for violence. I still think this is largely the responsibility of the bouncers for allowing wasted people into their bars/clubs. The majority of people who go out on nights out do so without causing any trouble, it's the minority who cause issues. Is it more likely that they'll cause more trouble at 4am than at 3am? Potentially, I suppose - people could end up drinking more for longer. I don't know if it'd have a big impact (I don't believe anyone else here does either though; I'd be interested to see a study proving what'll happen). That said, if the bar didn't allow people in after 2:30 then it shouldn't end up being the final kicking out point. I think that's probably the biggest issue really; whatever time you throw people out you want a few locations to stop large numbers leaving one place at one time - that's when tensions increase. wormshero
  • Score: -1

8:08pm Tue 8 Jul 14

thegreenman says...

Once again Elysium Leisure is hiding behind a restaurant license to later become a night club just as it did with the Qube. Qube opened as a restaurant only a few years later to rip out most of its kitchen and become a night club holding DJ nights at the weekend. I think the question has to be asked is Hudson a food outlet or night club?
Once again Elysium Leisure is hiding behind a restaurant license to later become a night club just as it did with the Qube. Qube opened as a restaurant only a few years later to rip out most of its kitchen and become a night club holding DJ nights at the weekend. I think the question has to be asked is Hudson a food outlet or night club? thegreenman
  • Score: 1

8:19pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Navajo wife says...

Wormshero you totally
missed my point. No one is disputing your thoughts or feelings. You all have the right to do what you will. It's just that some people have no idea how to behave, therefore ruining otherd enjoyment.I don't there is one answer that will please all, do.you?
Wormshero you totally missed my point. No one is disputing your thoughts or feelings. You all have the right to do what you will. It's just that some people have no idea how to behave, therefore ruining otherd enjoyment.I don't there is one answer that will please all, do.you? Navajo wife
  • Score: -3

9:19pm Tue 8 Jul 14

The-Professionals says...

Four months ago there was massive arguments of support for the Elysium group in the proposed development at River Lodge in North Station Road. Quotes of millions brought in business were made and jobs etc. Then the sad news of the Jim murder came about and everything went very quiet, co incidentally, Jim's last known drink was at River Lodge? Now I some notice critics on here panning the motives of Elysium with this new proposal, where were you when the hotel proposal was being bandied around? The question that needs to be asked, is where is all this money coming from?
Four months ago there was massive arguments of support for the Elysium group in the proposed development at River Lodge in North Station Road. Quotes of millions brought in business were made and jobs etc. Then the sad news of the Jim murder came about and everything went very quiet, co incidentally, Jim's last known drink was at River Lodge? Now I some notice critics on here panning the motives of Elysium with this new proposal, where were you when the hotel proposal was being bandied around? The question that needs to be asked, is where is all this money coming from? The-Professionals
  • Score: 1

2:25am Wed 9 Jul 14

hazardous says...

why shouldnt
why shouldnt hazardous
  • Score: -1

2:32am Wed 9 Jul 14

hazardous says...

why should'nt they get the licence its only this town that has an issue with late venues, agreed we do have crime in this town that needs to be dealt with but stop blaming the bars and clubs who work hard to provide a service as well as keep many people in work and look at putting the idiots that cause these problems behind bars rather than the police after doing all the hard work of arresting them and then the courts slapping many of them on the wrist and sending them home with a £60 fine no matter these people just keep repeating there crimes and ruining the nights of the people that come out for a good night.
why should'nt they get the licence its only this town that has an issue with late venues, agreed we do have crime in this town that needs to be dealt with but stop blaming the bars and clubs who work hard to provide a service as well as keep many people in work and look at putting the idiots that cause these problems behind bars rather than the police after doing all the hard work of arresting them and then the courts slapping many of them on the wrist and sending them home with a £60 fine no matter these people just keep repeating there crimes and ruining the nights of the people that come out for a good night. hazardous
  • Score: 1

5:23am Wed 9 Jul 14

MaryPoppins87 says...

Wooo! Party time
Wooo! Party time MaryPoppins87
  • Score: 4

9:44pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Closeguard says...

Well done colchester council. Another drugs den and fight club just like qube
Well done colchester council. Another drugs den and fight club just like qube Closeguard
  • Score: 1
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