Street lights will be left on following Greenstead murder

Street lights will be left on following Greenstead murder

Street lights will be left on following Greenstead murder

First published in News

STREET lights will kept on between midnight and 5am in a part of Colchester where a murder investigation has been launched.

A woman’s body was found by a footpath behind Britten Close, Greenstead, at 10.40am today, Tuesday June 17.

The woman, who has not yet been identified, suffered serious and multiple injuries to her head and body.

An Essex County Council spokesman said street lights in the Greenstead area would be left on all night tonight and tomorrow following a request from Essex Police.

Parts of Colchester were plunged into darkness between midnight and 5am from December 1 last year.

Residents have protested the move could lead to an increase in crime and accidents.

The council said the initiative will save money and reduce carbon emissions.

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5:42pm Tue 17 Jun 14

cynicalsubber says...

Stable doors and bolting horses come to mind...
Stable doors and bolting horses come to mind... cynicalsubber
  • Score: 32

5:56pm Tue 17 Jun 14

local yokel says...

If the people of Colchester and the Police want street lamps left on, why are the council not doing as we wish. they are civil servants, supposed to do what we want. Not what they want.
If the people of Colchester and the Police want street lamps left on, why are the council not doing as we wish. they are civil servants, supposed to do what we want. Not what they want. local yokel
  • Score: 62

5:58pm Tue 17 Jun 14

MaryPoppins87 says...

It's taken two recent murders to convince them to switch the lights on? I know murders happen in lighted areas, but it's just making it easier for these thugs to attack. Sickening. They spend thousands on rubbish and cut back on safety measures.
It's taken two recent murders to convince them to switch the lights on? I know murders happen in lighted areas, but it's just making it easier for these thugs to attack. Sickening. They spend thousands on rubbish and cut back on safety measures. MaryPoppins87
  • Score: 68

7:03pm Tue 17 Jun 14

cherrytree1 says...

I think it is ridiculous that they are only keeping on lights in certain areas. I think it is disgusting how the council are saying it will 'save money and reduce carbon emissions'. What about the lives, are they not more important then money? I believe that the crimes HAVE increased because all I hear about, now since the lights have been turned off during certain times, are burglaries, murders, assaults and many other crimes. I hope that the council change their mind and keep the lights on everywhere!
I think it is ridiculous that they are only keeping on lights in certain areas. I think it is disgusting how the council are saying it will 'save money and reduce carbon emissions'. What about the lives, are they not more important then money? I believe that the crimes HAVE increased because all I hear about, now since the lights have been turned off during certain times, are burglaries, murders, assaults and many other crimes. I hope that the council change their mind and keep the lights on everywhere! cherrytree1
  • Score: 58

7:04pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Im_Like_HELLO says...

Unfortunately it always seems to take somebody to die before anything is done e.g. making safe a dangerous road crossing, toughening up on health and safety at building sites, or in this case switching lights back on.
Unfortunately it always seems to take somebody to die before anything is done e.g. making safe a dangerous road crossing, toughening up on health and safety at building sites, or in this case switching lights back on. Im_Like_HELLO
  • Score: 31

7:31pm Tue 17 Jun 14

colutdtim2 says...

Essex County council leaving the lights on just to help the investigation. ..f $$ king wake up and open your eyes this spree of murders, assaults,burglaries might not be totally light related but it's not helping either, cctv has reduced quality the total scheme is nuts, If your worried about saving money take a pay cut or put our over priced council tax up by a pound each...keeping colchester safe should be your number 1 priority
Essex County council leaving the lights on just to help the investigation. ..f $$ king wake up and open your eyes this spree of murders, assaults,burglaries might not be totally light related but it's not helping either, cctv has reduced quality the total scheme is nuts, If your worried about saving money take a pay cut or put our over priced council tax up by a pound each...keeping colchester safe should be your number 1 priority colutdtim2
  • Score: 56

8:38pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Fellulah69 says...

We pay council tax so council tax payers should have a say on the lights being left on!! Save money?? Then high end councilers should take a pay cut!!
We pay council tax so council tax payers should have a say on the lights being left on!! Save money?? Then high end councilers should take a pay cut!! Fellulah69
  • Score: 46

10:32pm Tue 17 Jun 14

crawfordjay86 says...

I think street lights should be left on full stop!! How many more people have to die b4 the council realises it's not safe in Colchester leave the lights on!
I think street lights should be left on full stop!! How many more people have to die b4 the council realises it's not safe in Colchester leave the lights on! crawfordjay86
  • Score: 32

10:42pm Tue 17 Jun 14

MooGirl says...

Just this area? Turn the lights back on all over Colchester! Absolutely pathetic. Nasty elements about, taking advantage of the situation. Please do something now. Not all of us have "bag carriers" or tax payer funded safe transport.
Just this area? Turn the lights back on all over Colchester! Absolutely pathetic. Nasty elements about, taking advantage of the situation. Please do something now. Not all of us have "bag carriers" or tax payer funded safe transport. MooGirl
  • Score: 24

11:03pm Tue 17 Jun 14

beckb says...

Someone invented street lights to do just that, light the streets! They're pretty pointless unless they're switched on!!! How many more murders or crimes have to happen before these stupid people realise they should be left on & should never have been switched off in the first place!!!
Someone invented street lights to do just that, light the streets! They're pretty pointless unless they're switched on!!! How many more murders or crimes have to happen before these stupid people realise they should be left on & should never have been switched off in the first place!!! beckb
  • Score: 25

12:51am Wed 18 Jun 14

bcolchester says...

Just to let everyone know iv just came back from work and Greenstead is still in the dark. The street lights are all off like normal and I live on the salary brook its pitch black
Just to let everyone know iv just came back from work and Greenstead is still in the dark. The street lights are all off like normal and I live on the salary brook its pitch black bcolchester
  • Score: 13

12:52am Wed 18 Jun 14

bcolchester says...

Yet again the council lie to us!!!
Yet again the council lie to us!!! bcolchester
  • Score: 16

7:04am Wed 18 Jun 14

sjalm01 says...

its muslim saudi women... its hate crime .. she came to study... so sorry for her and her family .
its muslim saudi women... its hate crime .. she came to study... so sorry for her and her family . sjalm01
  • Score: 6

9:15am Wed 18 Jun 14

totallyfootball says...

Too little too late as always, maybe time for a new council and get rid of the dinosaurs?
Too little too late as always, maybe time for a new council and get rid of the dinosaurs? totallyfootball
  • Score: 3

9:58am Wed 18 Jun 14

stevedawson says...

People get into public office by convincing the public they will do the right things for the community's. Having never been in that position l wonder what happens to their mind sets.the continual gaffs by ministers and councillors judges etc is it a leap into a world of hyped self importance where clarity of though is clouded out.
People get into public office by convincing the public they will do the right things for the community's. Having never been in that position l wonder what happens to their mind sets.the continual gaffs by ministers and councillors judges etc is it a leap into a world of hyped self importance where clarity of though is clouded out. stevedawson
  • Score: 4

11:04am Wed 18 Jun 14

Shaneblackdarkknight says...

To little to late enough said
To little to late enough said Shaneblackdarkknight
  • Score: 3

11:56am Wed 18 Jun 14

Ontheball says...

Amazing isn't it how the two unitary authorities of Southend and Thurrock keep their lights ON and see no need for them to be switched off. Only the dimwits, of which the architect-in-chief is the idiot know-it-all Bass, at County Hall think they know best. I really do hope that for once the people of this county will vote with their feet and kick the shower in power out of office when the county elections are next held.
Amazing isn't it how the two unitary authorities of Southend and Thurrock keep their lights ON and see no need for them to be switched off. Only the dimwits, of which the architect-in-chief is the idiot know-it-all Bass, at County Hall think they know best. I really do hope that for once the people of this county will vote with their feet and kick the shower in power out of office when the county elections are next held. Ontheball
  • Score: 6

11:59am Wed 18 Jun 14

meadowlady says...

My message to ' Ontheball'
Please don't hold your breath.
My message to ' Ontheball' Please don't hold your breath. meadowlady
  • Score: 5

12:34pm Wed 18 Jun 14

romantic says...

Ontheball wrote:
Amazing isn't it how the two unitary authorities of Southend and Thurrock keep their lights ON and see no need for them to be switched off. Only the dimwits, of which the architect-in-chief is the idiot know-it-all Bass, at County Hall think they know best. I really do hope that for once the people of this county will vote with their feet and kick the shower in power out of office when the county elections are next held.
Based on the fact that turnout for local elections is usually somewhere around 25% max, we have to assume that 3/4 of the population either don't care who is in power, don't think voting can change it anyway or don't even know there are elections. True, voting is not the only way to express an opinion, but if 3/4 aren't that bothered that they want to vote, I don't imagine they're doing much else to effect change.
[quote][p][bold]Ontheball[/bold] wrote: Amazing isn't it how the two unitary authorities of Southend and Thurrock keep their lights ON and see no need for them to be switched off. Only the dimwits, of which the architect-in-chief is the idiot know-it-all Bass, at County Hall think they know best. I really do hope that for once the people of this county will vote with their feet and kick the shower in power out of office when the county elections are next held.[/p][/quote]Based on the fact that turnout for local elections is usually somewhere around 25% max, we have to assume that 3/4 of the population either don't care who is in power, don't think voting can change it anyway or don't even know there are elections. True, voting is not the only way to express an opinion, but if 3/4 aren't that bothered that they want to vote, I don't imagine they're doing much else to effect change. romantic
  • Score: 5

12:48pm Wed 18 Jun 14

super waluigi says...

I don't get it. Too many narrow minded people think that turning lights on will make the the town safer. How does that logic work?

By the logic of done bloggers, murderers and bad people double up as bats and only come out in the dark.

The reality is, areas like distillery and the footpath around the back of the cemetery etc are never lit up. They always have pedestrians, yet never any crime.

Use some common sense in your blogs.
I don't get it. Too many narrow minded people think that turning lights on will make the the town safer. How does that logic work? By the logic of done bloggers, murderers and bad people double up as bats and only come out in the dark. The reality is, areas like distillery and the footpath around the back of the cemetery etc are never lit up. They always have pedestrians, yet never any crime. Use some common sense in your blogs. super waluigi
  • Score: 3

2:52pm Wed 18 Jun 14

WW says...

super waluigi wrote:
I don't get it. Too many narrow minded people think that turning lights on will make the the town safer. How does that logic work? By the logic of done bloggers, murderers and bad people double up as bats and only come out in the dark. The reality is, areas like distillery and the footpath around the back of the cemetery etc are never lit up. They always have pedestrians, yet never any crime. Use some common sense in your blogs.
There can be bad people anywhere at any given time. I know this from personal experience on Monday evening.
Living in an area where some of the lights haven't worked for hmmm at least three years whilst the rest stay on often into daylight hours (not council's problem). I agree with this, crime doens't happen as soon as darkness hits. Crime happens at any given time. In my case around 9pm.

Yes you can blame ECC but would you want money to be taken from vital services that affect us all as residents of Essex?

Sorry rant over
[quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: I don't get it. Too many narrow minded people think that turning lights on will make the the town safer. How does that logic work? By the logic of done bloggers, murderers and bad people double up as bats and only come out in the dark. The reality is, areas like distillery and the footpath around the back of the cemetery etc are never lit up. They always have pedestrians, yet never any crime. Use some common sense in your blogs.[/p][/quote]There can be bad people anywhere at any given time. I know this from personal experience on Monday evening. Living in an area where some of the lights haven't worked for hmmm at least three years whilst the rest stay on often into daylight hours (not council's problem). I agree with this, crime doens't happen as soon as darkness hits. Crime happens at any given time. In my case around 9pm. Yes you can blame ECC but would you want money to be taken from vital services that affect us all as residents of Essex? Sorry rant over WW
  • Score: 3

4:34pm Wed 18 Jun 14

totallyfootball says...

super waluigi wrote:
I don't get it. Too many narrow minded people think that turning lights on will make the the town safer. How does that logic work?

By the logic of done bloggers, murderers and bad people double up as bats and only come out in the dark.

The reality is, areas like distillery and the footpath around the back of the cemetery etc are never lit up. They always have pedestrians, yet never any crime.

Use some common sense in your blogs.
Same old, same old!
[quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: I don't get it. Too many narrow minded people think that turning lights on will make the the town safer. How does that logic work? By the logic of done bloggers, murderers and bad people double up as bats and only come out in the dark. The reality is, areas like distillery and the footpath around the back of the cemetery etc are never lit up. They always have pedestrians, yet never any crime. Use some common sense in your blogs.[/p][/quote]Same old, same old! totallyfootball
  • Score: -5

4:54pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Ontheball says...

totallyfootball wrote:
super waluigi wrote:
I don't get it. Too many narrow minded people think that turning lights on will make the the town safer. How does that logic work?

By the logic of done bloggers, murderers and bad people double up as bats and only come out in the dark.

The reality is, areas like distillery and the footpath around the back of the cemetery etc are never lit up. They always have pedestrians, yet never any crime.

Use some common sense in your blogs.
Same old, same old!
The simple fact is that if the lights were installed in the first place it was because they were needed and they still are. This nonsense isn't replicated in other countries, so why here in Essex. Would love to know how many other county authorities switch their lights off!
[quote][p][bold]totallyfootball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: I don't get it. Too many narrow minded people think that turning lights on will make the the town safer. How does that logic work? By the logic of done bloggers, murderers and bad people double up as bats and only come out in the dark. The reality is, areas like distillery and the footpath around the back of the cemetery etc are never lit up. They always have pedestrians, yet never any crime. Use some common sense in your blogs.[/p][/quote]Same old, same old![/p][/quote]The simple fact is that if the lights were installed in the first place it was because they were needed and they still are. This nonsense isn't replicated in other countries, so why here in Essex. Would love to know how many other county authorities switch their lights off! Ontheball
  • Score: 3

5:05pm Wed 18 Jun 14

local yokel says...

We pay for street lighting through our council tax. Now they have turned them off, we have lost a service that we pay for. But we do not get a reduction in the council tax. It is daylight (or total darkness) robbery. Our village is allowed 2 streetlamps on, but Wimpole Rd has every streetlamp lit regardless of time. Why not turn off every other lamp there and let us have some more. And why do they not sort out the 6 or 7 streetlamps that are permanently lit on the A120 between Marks Tey & Braintree.
We pay for street lighting through our council tax. Now they have turned them off, we have lost a service that we pay for. But we do not get a reduction in the council tax. It is daylight (or total darkness) robbery. Our village is allowed 2 streetlamps on, but Wimpole Rd has every streetlamp lit regardless of time. Why not turn off every other lamp there and let us have some more. And why do they not sort out the 6 or 7 streetlamps that are permanently lit on the A120 between Marks Tey & Braintree. local yokel
  • Score: 4

4:59am Thu 19 Jun 14

Lloyd George says...

This town is on the verge of becoming one that will be policed by vigilanties soon. I have seen this happen across the world as opportunists take charge of law enforcement due to the community not being served by the empowered authorities. Murders, burglaries, assaults in this town are increasing with no sense of urgency being applied to cleanse it. Worrying.
This town is on the verge of becoming one that will be policed by vigilanties soon. I have seen this happen across the world as opportunists take charge of law enforcement due to the community not being served by the empowered authorities. Murders, burglaries, assaults in this town are increasing with no sense of urgency being applied to cleanse it. Worrying. Lloyd George
  • Score: 3

9:42am Thu 19 Jun 14

Jack222 says...

Any proof that having the lights on would have stopped the murders? One at least looks like a straight hate crime against a Muslim woman which would one suspects have happened at any time - when a mind flips to kill someone for their religion then logic like I must do it at night isnt there.

Lets not forget we are talking lights off from midnight to 5 am when all normal people should be at home bar shift workers.

Save our council tax - keep the lights off.
Any proof that having the lights on would have stopped the murders? One at least looks like a straight hate crime against a Muslim woman which would one suspects have happened at any time - when a mind flips to kill someone for their religion then logic like I must do it at night isnt there. Lets not forget we are talking lights off from midnight to 5 am when all normal people should be at home bar shift workers. Save our council tax - keep the lights off. Jack222
  • Score: -2

10:36am Thu 19 Jun 14

sssss111 says...

Considering this latest murder happened between 10.00am ans 10.40am I dont reallt see what turning the street lights on has to do with anything.

People will commit crimes at any time of day.

Also there has been lots of studies to prove that in most cases crime rates drop with the strewt lights out.
Considering this latest murder happened between 10.00am ans 10.40am I dont reallt see what turning the street lights on has to do with anything. People will commit crimes at any time of day. Also there has been lots of studies to prove that in most cases crime rates drop with the strewt lights out. sssss111
  • Score: 1

12:40am Fri 20 Jun 14

Angry of Lexden says...

sssss111 wrote:
Considering this latest murder happened between 10.00am ans 10.40am I dont reallt see what turning the street lights on has to do with anything.

People will commit crimes at any time of day.

Also there has been lots of studies to prove that in most cases crime rates drop with the strewt lights out.
Ssess - nail on head. Totally agree. One other point we need to consider - my major client has instructed installation of L.E D. lights to replace sodium system on major sites - the saving is huge - will excede by multiples the alleged siavings of turning the existing lights off.
[quote][p][bold]sssss111[/bold] wrote: Considering this latest murder happened between 10.00am ans 10.40am I dont reallt see what turning the street lights on has to do with anything. People will commit crimes at any time of day. Also there has been lots of studies to prove that in most cases crime rates drop with the strewt lights out.[/p][/quote]Ssess - nail on head. Totally agree. One other point we need to consider - my major client has instructed installation of L.E D. lights to replace sodium system on major sites - the saving is huge - will excede by multiples the alleged siavings of turning the existing lights off. Angry of Lexden
  • Score: 4

2:56pm Tue 24 Jun 14

gransden says...

What about the rest of Colchester?

So the nutter who's doing this will move to a different area with no street lights!!!!!

I know it won't stop them striking again but at least when I walk to and from the station every day, early in the morning and late at night I can see where I'm going..

Turn all the lights on, we pay council tax for street lights!
What about the rest of Colchester? So the nutter who's doing this will move to a different area with no street lights!!!!! I know it won't stop them striking again but at least when I walk to and from the station every day, early in the morning and late at night I can see where I'm going.. Turn all the lights on, we pay council tax for street lights! gransden
  • Score: 0

1:34am Tue 8 Jul 14

Mark L P says...

I wonder what the idiots at the council will come up with next?
They say that switching the light off saves £130,000 ish a year, for a council that seems to waste money hand over fist, that is peanuts. That £25 million Firstsite tin foil building for instance would've lit the streets for the next 20 years! At least they have a building dubbed "the most expensive public toilet in the world" They could save more money if they engaged their brains before embarking on failed traffic schemes in the town & other equally stupid schemes.
I live right near where that poor girl was murdered & speaking to local residents they are very concerned, & turning the streetlights out at midnight adds to that concern. Greenstead is a maze of alleyways more so than most other places, though this obviously applies to the whole of Colchester. I often get back after that time & I must admit that I feel a little uneasy not being able to see what's around me, I have also tripped over a kerb I didn't see, & I know I'm not the only one to have done this.
It makes me laugh how the council have jumped on the "it will cut carbon emissions" bandwagon, what a load of rubbish, nuclear & wind turbines generate electric 24 hours a day, this afterall was the reason behind economy 7!
I am old enough to remember when the lights used to be turned off at 11pm in the 70s, but the world has changed significantly since then, people live 24 hour lifestyles these days, I thought we'd left the dark ages behind.
I do hope the council comes to it's senses & reconsiders this dreadful decision before someone else is robbed, beaten or worse, though I expect it wouldn't be the fault of the lack of lighting afterall the council did a full evaluation of it's impact on crime etc.
Can you really put a price on peoples safety & peace of mind?
I wonder what the idiots at the council will come up with next? They say that switching the light off saves £130,000 ish a year, for a council that seems to waste money hand over fist, that is peanuts. That £25 million Firstsite tin foil building for instance would've lit the streets for the next 20 years! At least they have a building dubbed "the most expensive public toilet in the world" They could save more money if they engaged their brains before embarking on failed traffic schemes in the town & other equally stupid schemes. I live right near where that poor girl was murdered & speaking to local residents they are very concerned, & turning the streetlights out at midnight adds to that concern. Greenstead is a maze of alleyways more so than most other places, though this obviously applies to the whole of Colchester. I often get back after that time & I must admit that I feel a little uneasy not being able to see what's around me, I have also tripped over a kerb I didn't see, & I know I'm not the only one to have done this. It makes me laugh how the council have jumped on the "it will cut carbon emissions" bandwagon, what a load of rubbish, nuclear & wind turbines generate electric 24 hours a day, this afterall was the reason behind economy 7! I am old enough to remember when the lights used to be turned off at 11pm in the 70s, but the world has changed significantly since then, people live 24 hour lifestyles these days, I thought we'd left the dark ages behind. I do hope the council comes to it's senses & reconsiders this dreadful decision before someone else is robbed, beaten or worse, though I expect it wouldn't be the fault of the lack of lighting afterall the council did a full evaluation of it's impact on crime etc. Can you really put a price on peoples safety & peace of mind? Mark L P
  • Score: 2

1:55am Tue 8 Jul 14

Mark L P says...

Jack222 wrote:
Any proof that having the lights on would have stopped the murders? One at least looks like a straight hate crime against a Muslim woman which would one suspects have happened at any time - when a mind flips to kill someone for their religion then logic like I must do it at night isnt there.

Lets not forget we are talking lights off from midnight to 5 am when all normal people should be at home bar shift workers.

Save our council tax - keep the lights off.
The comment "Lets not forget we are talking lights off from midnight to 5 am when all normal people should be at home" has gotten up my snout somewhat.
Obviously I am abnormal as I often get home after that, & all the people who frequent the many bars etc in town that are open late, abnormal too? Not to mention visiting friends etc. Why even Tesco, Sainsbury's Asda etc are open all night, obviously to cater for the abnormal in our society.
Believe it or not, the world doesn't stop when you go to bed.
[quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: Any proof that having the lights on would have stopped the murders? One at least looks like a straight hate crime against a Muslim woman which would one suspects have happened at any time - when a mind flips to kill someone for their religion then logic like I must do it at night isnt there. Lets not forget we are talking lights off from midnight to 5 am when all normal people should be at home bar shift workers. Save our council tax - keep the lights off.[/p][/quote]The comment "Lets not forget we are talking lights off from midnight to 5 am when all normal people should be at home" has gotten up my snout somewhat. Obviously I am abnormal as I often get home after that, & all the people who frequent the many bars etc in town that are open late, abnormal too? Not to mention visiting friends etc. Why even Tesco, Sainsbury's Asda etc are open all night, obviously to cater for the abnormal in our society. Believe it or not, the world doesn't stop when you go to bed. Mark L P
  • Score: 0

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