Latest update: Colchester murder victim wearing Muslim dress was Saudi Arabian university student

Major investigation underway in Greenstead after unconscious person found

Major investigation underway in Greenstead after unconscious person found

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Police are appealing for witnesses who may have seen a woman in her early 30s who was murdered on a Colchester footpath.

The woman, a Saudi Arabian national who studied at the University of Essex, was discovered on the Salary Book Trail, next to the Greenstead estate, yesterday at 10.40am.

The student, who lived in Woodrow Way, was wearing a full length Muslim robe and multi-coloured headscarf.

Officers are at the scene today speaking to members of the public who usually use the path, and want to hear from anyone who walked along the trail between 8.30am and 11am yesterday.

Detective Superintendent Tracy Hawkings said: "We have not yet been able to formally identify the victim but we believe we know who she is and specially trained family liaison officers are speaking with her family now.

"We urgently need to speak to anyone who saw a woman in her early 30s walking through the Greenstead estate yesterday morning.

"She is believed to have left her home in Woodrow Way and then made her way down across Avon Way onto the Salary Brook Trail.

“It is possible she may have got onto the trail at one of several entrances on Avon Way towards St Andrews Avenue.

"At the time she was wearing a dark navy blue full length robe, called an Abaya, and a patterned multi-coloured headscarf, known as a Hijab. She also had with her a black bag, with orange panels, which she was carrying on a shoulder strap.

"If anyone saw her or was in this area yesterday morning we would ask them to call us.”

Detectives are also calling on residents to check gardens and rubbish bins for discarded weapons or blood-stained clothing.

They are asking for anyone who has CCTV footage covering any part of the Greenstead estate between Woodrow Way and the Salary Brook Trail to make contact with them so that it can be viewed.

Gazette:

Det Supt Hawkings said: "A forensic post-mortem is due to be carried out this afternoon to establish the cause of death but at this time it would appear that a knife or other bladed weapon was used in this attack.

"The victim also suffered facial injuries but the cause of these has yet to be established.

"We have no further detail on the murder weapon or weapons at this time but if anyone comes across any suspicious items which they think could be connected to this murder we would ask them to call us.”

Det Supt Hawkings said the investigation team were keeping an open mind about the motive for the attack.

It did not appear anything had been stolen from the victim.

"There are some immediate similarities between this murder and that of James Attfield but there are also a large number of differences as well,” she said.

"There is no current known motive for this attack and we are keeping an open mind and exploring all possible avenues of investigation.

"We are also conscious that the dress of the victim will have identified her as likely being a Muslim and this is one of the main lines of the investigation but again there is no firm evidence at this time that she was targeted because of her religion.”

Gazette:

The Saudi Arabian Embassy confirmed its ambassador to the UK was taking an active role in the case.

A statement said: "Prince Mohammed bin Nawaf expressed in a telephone call on Tuesday to the brother of the deceased his sincerest condolences to her family, affirming the Embassy's speed in taking all the procedures for the transfer of the body of the deceased to the Kingdom.

"He also asserted that the case is in his personal attention."

Police will be carrying out additional reassurance patrols in the Greenstead area while the investigation continues.

A 52-year-old man from the Colchester area remains in custody and is being questioned by detectives after being arrested in connection with this investigation yesterday evening.

Detective Superintendent Hawkings said: "We are obviously as concerned as the rest of the community about this murder.

"Officers will be carrying out additional patrols and we will be dedicating all of our available resources to trying to find the person or persons responsible.

"Someone in Colchester must have information or suspicions about someone who may be responsible for this horrific crime. We would urge them to get in touch as soon as possible so that we can progress our investigation.”

Anyone with any information that could assist the enquiry is asked to contact the Major Investigation Team on 01245 282103, Essex Police on 101 or Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.

Gazette:

A murder investigation was launched after the woman, who had suffered serious and multiple injuries to her head and body, was discovered by a footpath behind Britten Close.

A half mile police cordon stretching along the Salary Brook trail to Buffet Way is in place.

Detective Chief Inspector Mark Hall said: "We are carrying out house to house inquiries and are searching the area using the police helicopter and dog search teams.

"I would ask anyone with any information about what happened to contact Essex Police.”

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12:38pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

Sounds horrendous. RIP....whatever is happening to our town?
Sounds horrendous. RIP....whatever is happening to our town? Say It As It Is OK?
  • Score: 78

1:20pm Tue 17 Jun 14

specs60 says...

Everytime i pick up the paper there is something awful going on,it is very sad another family destroyed.I echo that what is happening?
Everytime i pick up the paper there is something awful going on,it is very sad another family destroyed.I echo that what is happening? specs60
  • Score: 39

1:22pm Tue 17 Jun 14

MarkStone says...

the lights are off late in the night for the entire hythe/greenstead area. surely this helps these kind of actions and phenomena. this is what happens when governments prioritise profits instead of their peoples
the lights are off late in the night for the entire hythe/greenstead area. surely this helps these kind of actions and phenomena. this is what happens when governments prioritise profits instead of their peoples MarkStone
  • Score: 101

1:38pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Ritchie_Hicks says...

MarkStone wrote:
the lights are off late in the night for the entire hythe/greenstead area. surely this helps these kind of actions and phenomena. this is what happens when governments prioritise profits instead of their peoples
Given that the lady was found at 10:40am there's every chance this happened during daylight hours. Best not to jump to conclusions at the moment.

Thoughts go out to the lady and her family.
[quote][p][bold]MarkStone[/bold] wrote: the lights are off late in the night for the entire hythe/greenstead area. surely this helps these kind of actions and phenomena. this is what happens when governments prioritise profits instead of their peoples[/p][/quote]Given that the lady was found at 10:40am there's every chance this happened during daylight hours. Best not to jump to conclusions at the moment. Thoughts go out to the lady and her family. Ritchie_Hicks
  • Score: 49

1:43pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Memma says...

I walked this way only an hour earlier :( so sad, hope she wasn't there at that time and I walked passed without seeing. RIP
I walked this way only an hour earlier :( so sad, hope she wasn't there at that time and I walked passed without seeing. RIP Memma
  • Score: 19

1:44pm Tue 17 Jun 14

MarkStone says...

I think it is really simple. No lighting = more danger . feel free to disagree. the blame is to be put on the local government. is this the security they provide us? is this where our taxes go?
I think it is really simple. No lighting = more danger . feel free to disagree. the blame is to be put on the local government. is this the security they provide us? is this where our taxes go? MarkStone
  • Score: 14

2:04pm Tue 17 Jun 14

mrsdavison says...

This poor lady was discovered seriously injured at 10.40 this morning... The sun rises at 4am. Lighting of Greenstead has no bearing on this case.

Maybe we should concentrate more on the fact another resident has lost their life and spend less time spend less time pointing the big blame stick at councils etc!
This poor lady was discovered seriously injured at 10.40 this morning... The sun rises at 4am. Lighting of Greenstead has no bearing on this case. Maybe we should concentrate more on the fact another resident has lost their life and spend less time spend less time pointing the big blame stick at councils etc! mrsdavison
  • Score: 85

2:04pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Catchedicam says...

MarkStone wrote:
the lights are off late in the night for the entire hythe/greenstead area. surely this helps these kind of actions and phenomena. this is what happens when governments prioritise profits instead of their peoples
Government don't make profits... they just spend less of our tax..
[quote][p][bold]MarkStone[/bold] wrote: the lights are off late in the night for the entire hythe/greenstead area. surely this helps these kind of actions and phenomena. this is what happens when governments prioritise profits instead of their peoples[/p][/quote]Government don't make profits... they just spend less of our tax.. Catchedicam
  • Score: 11

2:06pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Catchedicam says...

MarkStone wrote:
I think it is really simple. No lighting = more danger . feel free to disagree. the blame is to be put on the local government. is this the security they provide us? is this where our taxes go?
You have evidence for this statement? Or are you simply scaremongering? No studies I have seen support your view..
[quote][p][bold]MarkStone[/bold] wrote: I think it is really simple. No lighting = more danger . feel free to disagree. the blame is to be put on the local government. is this the security they provide us? is this where our taxes go?[/p][/quote]You have evidence for this statement? Or are you simply scaremongering? No studies I have seen support your view.. Catchedicam
  • Score: 20

2:20pm Tue 17 Jun 14

mumof4girls says...

I am saddened and shocked to see another fatality with serious injuries. Every town has these incidents, but my oh my Colchester is really having more than its share right now. I love this town and have spent all my 45 years here, but with 4 daughters I worry so much about them when they are out and about in town and it seems in other areas of the town too.
Love to this ladies family - too many families here are grieving for their loved ones and they shouldn't be, these loved ones should still be here with them !
I am saddened and shocked to see another fatality with serious injuries. Every town has these incidents, but my oh my Colchester is really having more than its share right now. I love this town and have spent all my 45 years here, but with 4 daughters I worry so much about them when they are out and about in town and it seems in other areas of the town too. Love to this ladies family - too many families here are grieving for their loved ones and they shouldn't be, these loved ones should still be here with them ! mumof4girls
  • Score: 44

2:27pm Tue 17 Jun 14

MarkStone says...

mrsdavison wrote:
This poor lady was discovered seriously injured at 10.40 this morning... The sun rises at 4am. Lighting of Greenstead has no bearing on this case.

Maybe we should concentrate more on the fact another resident has lost their life and spend less time spend less time pointing the big blame stick at councils etc!
so by realising that the death of a person is a fact and it did happen what will we gain? it is sad it happened. we dont want it to happen again. what do we do? wait for an invisible power to fix that problem? there are institutional flaws behind social problems
[quote][p][bold]mrsdavison[/bold] wrote: This poor lady was discovered seriously injured at 10.40 this morning... The sun rises at 4am. Lighting of Greenstead has no bearing on this case. Maybe we should concentrate more on the fact another resident has lost their life and spend less time spend less time pointing the big blame stick at councils etc![/p][/quote]so by realising that the death of a person is a fact and it did happen what will we gain? it is sad it happened. we dont want it to happen again. what do we do? wait for an invisible power to fix that problem? there are institutional flaws behind social problems MarkStone
  • Score: -22

2:53pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Jess Jephcott says...

Our society is breaking down bit by bit. We are returning to savagery; much to do with a lack of moral guidance from parents, the rejection of Christianity, **** and violent films in the home, etc. Some coward has done this and the police have got to do their best to find the culprit and get him prosecuted through the courts. What another sad day for Colchester. My condolences to this poor lady's family. The future? More of the same.
Our society is breaking down bit by bit. We are returning to savagery; much to do with a lack of moral guidance from parents, the rejection of Christianity, **** and violent films in the home, etc. Some coward has done this and the police have got to do their best to find the culprit and get him prosecuted through the courts. What another sad day for Colchester. My condolences to this poor lady's family. The future? More of the same. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: -9

2:59pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Weazelbum says...

How horrendous..........
cannot believe these attacks are not linked. What happened with the two men arrested for the knife attack near Leisure world? Were they definitely charged and held in custody? Very scary to think there's yet another psycho on the loose. I may think twice about taking my dog out alone :-/
How horrendous.......... cannot believe these attacks are not linked. What happened with the two men arrested for the knife attack near Leisure world? Were they definitely charged and held in custody? Very scary to think there's yet another psycho on the loose. I may think twice about taking my dog out alone :-/ Weazelbum
  • Score: 23

3:05pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

The report says "Anyone with information call Essex Police on 101 urgently"

If it's urgent (and this is) should it not be 999 because calling 101 is a complete waste of time and the police don't react urgently to 101 calls, if at all.
The report says "Anyone with information call Essex Police on 101 urgently" If it's urgent (and this is) should it not be 999 because calling 101 is a complete waste of time and the police don't react urgently to 101 calls, if at all. Say It As It Is OK?
  • Score: 10

3:05pm Tue 17 Jun 14

mrsdavison says...

MarkStone wrote:
mrsdavison wrote:
This poor lady was discovered seriously injured at 10.40 this morning... The sun rises at 4am. Lighting of Greenstead has no bearing on this case.

Maybe we should concentrate more on the fact another resident has lost their life and spend less time spend less time pointing the big blame stick at councils etc!
so by realising that the death of a person is a fact and it did happen what will we gain? it is sad it happened. we dont want it to happen again. what do we do? wait for an invisible power to fix that problem? there are institutional flaws behind social problems
With all due respect nothing we say will change this. Someone has lost their life. Simple as. No one is to blame except the culprit. Blaming councils, police, community's as whole isn't going to help.

I am also aware the lady's poor family could be reading this and want their relative to be remembered for the person she was not the horrific say she lost her life.
[quote][p][bold]MarkStone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrsdavison[/bold] wrote: This poor lady was discovered seriously injured at 10.40 this morning... The sun rises at 4am. Lighting of Greenstead has no bearing on this case. Maybe we should concentrate more on the fact another resident has lost their life and spend less time spend less time pointing the big blame stick at councils etc![/p][/quote]so by realising that the death of a person is a fact and it did happen what will we gain? it is sad it happened. we dont want it to happen again. what do we do? wait for an invisible power to fix that problem? there are institutional flaws behind social problems[/p][/quote]With all due respect nothing we say will change this. Someone has lost their life. Simple as. No one is to blame except the culprit. Blaming councils, police, community's as whole isn't going to help. I am also aware the lady's poor family could be reading this and want their relative to be remembered for the person she was not the horrific say she lost her life. mrsdavison
  • Score: 35

3:19pm Tue 17 Jun 14

wormshero says...

Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
The report says "Anyone with information call Essex Police on 101 urgently"

If it's urgent (and this is) should it not be 999 because calling 101 is a complete waste of time and the police don't react urgently to 101 calls, if at all.
101 is the best way to give information. 999 should be reserved for actual, immediate, emergencies. If you were calling to say "I saw someone in the alleyway earlier this morning" and to give a description and someone else who was actually in immediate danger called up and couldn't get through that'd be an issue, whereas being on hold for 10 minutes on the 101 number to give them information to act on doesn't tie up emergency operators and gives the same result.
[quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: The report says "Anyone with information call Essex Police on 101 urgently" If it's urgent (and this is) should it not be 999 because calling 101 is a complete waste of time and the police don't react urgently to 101 calls, if at all.[/p][/quote]101 is the best way to give information. 999 should be reserved for actual, immediate, emergencies. If you were calling to say "I saw someone in the alleyway earlier this morning" and to give a description and someone else who was actually in immediate danger called up and couldn't get through that'd be an issue, whereas being on hold for 10 minutes on the 101 number to give them information to act on doesn't tie up emergency operators and gives the same result. wormshero
  • Score: 42

3:55pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

wormshero wrote:
Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
The report says "Anyone with information call Essex Police on 101 urgently"

If it's urgent (and this is) should it not be 999 because calling 101 is a complete waste of time and the police don't react urgently to 101 calls, if at all.
101 is the best way to give information. 999 should be reserved for actual, immediate, emergencies. If you were calling to say "I saw someone in the alleyway earlier this morning" and to give a description and someone else who was actually in immediate danger called up and couldn't get through that'd be an issue, whereas being on hold for 10 minutes on the 101 number to give them information to act on doesn't tie up emergency operators and gives the same result.
Would agree with you if 101 was taken seriously and answered promptly. Essex Police don't treat these calls as urgent at all and as you say being left on a line for 10 minutes confirms it's a non urgent the call for the Police.

101 also costs the caller all the time they are left waiting for a reply and this could result in people giving up and just hanging up the phone. Cases like this should be treated with the utmost urgency.
[quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: The report says "Anyone with information call Essex Police on 101 urgently" If it's urgent (and this is) should it not be 999 because calling 101 is a complete waste of time and the police don't react urgently to 101 calls, if at all.[/p][/quote]101 is the best way to give information. 999 should be reserved for actual, immediate, emergencies. If you were calling to say "I saw someone in the alleyway earlier this morning" and to give a description and someone else who was actually in immediate danger called up and couldn't get through that'd be an issue, whereas being on hold for 10 minutes on the 101 number to give them information to act on doesn't tie up emergency operators and gives the same result.[/p][/quote]Would agree with you if 101 was taken seriously and answered promptly. Essex Police don't treat these calls as urgent at all and as you say being left on a line for 10 minutes confirms it's a non urgent the call for the Police. 101 also costs the caller all the time they are left waiting for a reply and this could result in people giving up and just hanging up the phone. Cases like this should be treated with the utmost urgency. Say It As It Is OK?
  • Score: -9

4:22pm Tue 17 Jun 14

wormshero says...

Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
wormshero wrote:
Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
The report says "Anyone with information call Essex Police on 101 urgently"

If it's urgent (and this is) should it not be 999 because calling 101 is a complete waste of time and the police don't react urgently to 101 calls, if at all.
101 is the best way to give information. 999 should be reserved for actual, immediate, emergencies. If you were calling to say "I saw someone in the alleyway earlier this morning" and to give a description and someone else who was actually in immediate danger called up and couldn't get through that'd be an issue, whereas being on hold for 10 minutes on the 101 number to give them information to act on doesn't tie up emergency operators and gives the same result.
Would agree with you if 101 was taken seriously and answered promptly. Essex Police don't treat these calls as urgent at all and as you say being left on a line for 10 minutes confirms it's a non urgent the call for the Police.

101 also costs the caller all the time they are left waiting for a reply and this could result in people giving up and just hanging up the phone. Cases like this should be treated with the utmost urgency.
It's relative - yes, it's urgent, but giving information about a crime already committed isn't *as* urgent as someone calling because they can hear people in their house, or because they've just been mugged even. Perhaps they should set up a second line for this investigation, but you certainly shouldn't be calling the emergency number. There's a mobile number on the Colchester Police Station contact us page, perhaps they should make that public too, if it's more direct.
[quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: The report says "Anyone with information call Essex Police on 101 urgently" If it's urgent (and this is) should it not be 999 because calling 101 is a complete waste of time and the police don't react urgently to 101 calls, if at all.[/p][/quote]101 is the best way to give information. 999 should be reserved for actual, immediate, emergencies. If you were calling to say "I saw someone in the alleyway earlier this morning" and to give a description and someone else who was actually in immediate danger called up and couldn't get through that'd be an issue, whereas being on hold for 10 minutes on the 101 number to give them information to act on doesn't tie up emergency operators and gives the same result.[/p][/quote]Would agree with you if 101 was taken seriously and answered promptly. Essex Police don't treat these calls as urgent at all and as you say being left on a line for 10 minutes confirms it's a non urgent the call for the Police. 101 also costs the caller all the time they are left waiting for a reply and this could result in people giving up and just hanging up the phone. Cases like this should be treated with the utmost urgency.[/p][/quote]It's relative - yes, it's urgent, but giving information about a crime already committed isn't *as* urgent as someone calling because they can hear people in their house, or because they've just been mugged even. Perhaps they should set up a second line for this investigation, but you certainly shouldn't be calling the emergency number. There's a mobile number on the Colchester Police Station contact us page, perhaps they should make that public too, if it's more direct. wormshero
  • Score: 11

4:51pm Tue 17 Jun 14

hughie-s says...

wormshero wrote:
Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
wormshero wrote:
Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
The report says "Anyone with information call Essex Police on 101 urgently"

If it's urgent (and this is) should it not be 999 because calling 101 is a complete waste of time and the police don't react urgently to 101 calls, if at all.
101 is the best way to give information. 999 should be reserved for actual, immediate, emergencies. If you were calling to say "I saw someone in the alleyway earlier this morning" and to give a description and someone else who was actually in immediate danger called up and couldn't get through that'd be an issue, whereas being on hold for 10 minutes on the 101 number to give them information to act on doesn't tie up emergency operators and gives the same result.
Would agree with you if 101 was taken seriously and answered promptly. Essex Police don't treat these calls as urgent at all and as you say being left on a line for 10 minutes confirms it's a non urgent the call for the Police.

101 also costs the caller all the time they are left waiting for a reply and this could result in people giving up and just hanging up the phone. Cases like this should be treated with the utmost urgency.
It's relative - yes, it's urgent, but giving information about a crime already committed isn't *as* urgent as someone calling because they can hear people in their house, or because they've just been mugged even. Perhaps they should set up a second line for this investigation, but you certainly shouldn't be calling the emergency number. There's a mobile number on the Colchester Police Station contact us page, perhaps they should make that public too, if it's more direct.
At one time a dedicated 0800 number was allocated for a major incident. Will a call to 101 be taken by a call centre person with no knowledge of the incident or directed to a member of the investigation team who will be able to ask specific questions?
[quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: The report says "Anyone with information call Essex Police on 101 urgently" If it's urgent (and this is) should it not be 999 because calling 101 is a complete waste of time and the police don't react urgently to 101 calls, if at all.[/p][/quote]101 is the best way to give information. 999 should be reserved for actual, immediate, emergencies. If you were calling to say "I saw someone in the alleyway earlier this morning" and to give a description and someone else who was actually in immediate danger called up and couldn't get through that'd be an issue, whereas being on hold for 10 minutes on the 101 number to give them information to act on doesn't tie up emergency operators and gives the same result.[/p][/quote]Would agree with you if 101 was taken seriously and answered promptly. Essex Police don't treat these calls as urgent at all and as you say being left on a line for 10 minutes confirms it's a non urgent the call for the Police. 101 also costs the caller all the time they are left waiting for a reply and this could result in people giving up and just hanging up the phone. Cases like this should be treated with the utmost urgency.[/p][/quote]It's relative - yes, it's urgent, but giving information about a crime already committed isn't *as* urgent as someone calling because they can hear people in their house, or because they've just been mugged even. Perhaps they should set up a second line for this investigation, but you certainly shouldn't be calling the emergency number. There's a mobile number on the Colchester Police Station contact us page, perhaps they should make that public too, if it's more direct.[/p][/quote]At one time a dedicated 0800 number was allocated for a major incident. Will a call to 101 be taken by a call centre person with no knowledge of the incident or directed to a member of the investigation team who will be able to ask specific questions? hughie-s
  • Score: 2

4:51pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Shrubendlad says...

This is a complete tragedy for this victims family and for Colchester.
The Colchester MP has spent this afternoon in parliament arguing against stiffer sentences for knife crime.
Surely after all of the violent crime this year in Colchester a policy of zero tolerance is the only way forward.
This is a complete tragedy for this victims family and for Colchester. The Colchester MP has spent this afternoon in parliament arguing against stiffer sentences for knife crime. Surely after all of the violent crime this year in Colchester a policy of zero tolerance is the only way forward. Shrubendlad
  • Score: 66

5:14pm Tue 17 Jun 14

hannah078 says...

guys just stop your silly little arguments and debates! have some respect, someone has just lost their life and someone very young by the sounds of it, my thoughts ho out to her family and friends, rest in peace
guys just stop your silly little arguments and debates! have some respect, someone has just lost their life and someone very young by the sounds of it, my thoughts ho out to her family and friends, rest in peace hannah078
  • Score: 73

5:21pm Tue 17 Jun 14

co2 says...

Forget the politics at this time,and think of the family of yet another colchester family to suffer a loss.
Forget the politics at this time,and think of the family of yet another colchester family to suffer a loss. co2
  • Score: 30

6:45pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

co2 wrote:
Forget the politics at this time,and think of the family of yet another colchester family to suffer a loss.
Completely agree with you and Hannah and this ladies family must be in pieces. I'm sure everyone commenting has this in their minds, however it's at times like this that should focus the authorities to act far more responsibly than they do, whether it be keeping Street lights on or ensuring any urgent information gets through to the investigation team in the fastest way possible by dedicating a specific telephone number for major investigations. Because we all know they soon forget and just go back to their old ways but the important thing now, immediately after this terrible event, is to catch the culprit which won't change what has happened but might help provide some closure to the families of both this lady and of James Attfield.....RIP
[quote][p][bold]co2[/bold] wrote: Forget the politics at this time,and think of the family of yet another colchester family to suffer a loss.[/p][/quote]Completely agree with you and Hannah and this ladies family must be in pieces. I'm sure everyone commenting has this in their minds, however it's at times like this that should focus the authorities to act far more responsibly than they do, whether it be keeping Street lights on or ensuring any urgent information gets through to the investigation team in the fastest way possible by dedicating a specific telephone number for major investigations. Because we all know they soon forget and just go back to their old ways but the important thing now, immediately after this terrible event, is to catch the culprit which won't change what has happened but might help provide some closure to the families of both this lady and of James Attfield.....RIP Say It As It Is OK?
  • Score: 14

7:43pm Tue 17 Jun 14

tjt19720 says...

What is going on in Colchester???? this is getting scary now, something has to happen and stop ruining this town.
What is going on in Colchester???? this is getting scary now, something has to happen and stop ruining this town. tjt19720
  • Score: 7

8:28pm Tue 17 Jun 14

born2know says...

RIP to the poor woman and my thoughts go out the her family. Now will you lot stop going on moaning about street lights, how unsafe Colchester is and how useless the police are.1. Colchester is not the only town that the street lights get turned off. 2. The police can't be that useless as they have made an arrest . 3. This kind of thing is happening in other towns all over the uk but you do not hear about them as they are not local news to us, Colchester is no more unsafe than any other town
RIP to the poor woman and my thoughts go out the her family. Now will you lot stop going on moaning about street lights, how unsafe Colchester is and how useless the police are.1. Colchester is not the only town that the street lights get turned off. 2. The police can't be that useless as they have made an arrest . 3. This kind of thing is happening in other towns all over the uk but you do not hear about them as they are not local news to us, Colchester is no more unsafe than any other town born2know
  • Score: 4

8:56pm Tue 17 Jun 14

cherrytree1 says...

Rest in peace to the woman! Such a horrible thing, what is happening Colchester?! Not blaming it on the lights but surely the council should turn the lights back on! Even if this was supposedly done in daylight like some people are saying. Such a sad thing, my thoughts go out to the family and friends.
Rest in peace to the woman! Such a horrible thing, what is happening Colchester?! Not blaming it on the lights but surely the council should turn the lights back on! Even if this was supposedly done in daylight like some people are saying. Such a sad thing, my thoughts go out to the family and friends. cherrytree1
  • Score: -5

9:16pm Tue 17 Jun 14

jut1972 says...

Shrubendlad wrote:
This is a complete tragedy for this victims family and for Colchester.
The Colchester MP has spent this afternoon in parliament arguing against stiffer sentences for knife crime.
Surely after all of the violent crime this year in Colchester a policy of zero tolerance is the only way forward.
Really? What is he thinking?

Good to see the police have made an arrest so quickly.

Condolences to the family and friends.
[quote][p][bold]Shrubendlad[/bold] wrote: This is a complete tragedy for this victims family and for Colchester. The Colchester MP has spent this afternoon in parliament arguing against stiffer sentences for knife crime. Surely after all of the violent crime this year in Colchester a policy of zero tolerance is the only way forward.[/p][/quote]Really? What is he thinking? Good to see the police have made an arrest so quickly. Condolences to the family and friends. jut1972
  • Score: 12

9:27pm Tue 17 Jun 14

ColchesterBod says...

It saddens me that our town is being portrayed as a violent town after the past large three news articles of the past three months. Coupled with that atrocious programme Bouncers.

It's sad that a young defensive less lady has lost her life. It's amazing that the police have arrested someone this quickly, especially as it's still
Clear that James Attwood's killer(s) may be at large or out on bail.

I had the misfortune of being attacked last night in an unprovoked attack. Sadly my trust of the human race has diminished.

My experience of calling 101 was as traumatic as the attack itself. Once the call was answered I was left on hold for 10 mins (probably whilst she went off to make a cup of tea). The police themselves have been absolute stars and I couldn't fault them.
It saddens me that our town is being portrayed as a violent town after the past large three news articles of the past three months. Coupled with that atrocious programme Bouncers. It's sad that a young defensive less lady has lost her life. It's amazing that the police have arrested someone this quickly, especially as it's still Clear that James Attwood's killer(s) may be at large or out on bail. I had the misfortune of being attacked last night in an unprovoked attack. Sadly my trust of the human race has diminished. My experience of calling 101 was as traumatic as the attack itself. Once the call was answered I was left on hold for 10 mins (probably whilst she went off to make a cup of tea). The police themselves have been absolute stars and I couldn't fault them. ColchesterBod
  • Score: 16

9:42pm Tue 17 Jun 14

colrobabob says...

Living in this town is becoming quite scary. Thats 2 murders and 1 attempted murder in just a few weeks! I used to think nothing of walking the route between Greenstead and Uni/ Wivenhoe, but now wouldn't do it at all! Something needs to be done before this gets worse!
Living in this town is becoming quite scary. Thats 2 murders and 1 attempted murder in just a few weeks! I used to think nothing of walking the route between Greenstead and Uni/ Wivenhoe, but now wouldn't do it at all! Something needs to be done before this gets worse! colrobabob
  • Score: 4

10:06pm Tue 17 Jun 14

JohnStang says...

colrobabob wrote:
Living in this town is becoming quite scary. Thats 2 murders and 1 attempted murder in just a few weeks! I used to think nothing of walking the route between Greenstead and Uni/ Wivenhoe, but now wouldn't do it at all! Something needs to be done before this gets worse!
What can you do to stop evil people like this? The people that are doing this are predators.... very dangerous people with mental problems.... Thanks to the budget cuts we will have less police, less lighting, less safety.... This is social decay... I don't see the point of living in Colchester.... I cannot walk home from Leisureworld at night without looking over my shoulder, wondering who is out there in all that darkness.... not a nice feeling at all...
[quote][p][bold]colrobabob[/bold] wrote: Living in this town is becoming quite scary. Thats 2 murders and 1 attempted murder in just a few weeks! I used to think nothing of walking the route between Greenstead and Uni/ Wivenhoe, but now wouldn't do it at all! Something needs to be done before this gets worse![/p][/quote]What can you do to stop evil people like this? The people that are doing this are predators.... very dangerous people with mental problems.... Thanks to the budget cuts we will have less police, less lighting, less safety.... This is social decay... I don't see the point of living in Colchester.... I cannot walk home from Leisureworld at night without looking over my shoulder, wondering who is out there in all that darkness.... not a nice feeling at all... JohnStang
  • Score: 6

10:08pm Tue 17 Jun 14

JohnStang says...

ColchesterBod wrote:
It saddens me that our town is being portrayed as a violent town after the past large three news articles of the past three months. Coupled with that atrocious programme Bouncers.

It's sad that a young defensive less lady has lost her life. It's amazing that the police have arrested someone this quickly, especially as it's still
Clear that James Attwood's killer(s) may be at large or out on bail.

I had the misfortune of being attacked last night in an unprovoked attack. Sadly my trust of the human race has diminished.

My experience of calling 101 was as traumatic as the attack itself. Once the call was answered I was left on hold for 10 mins (probably whilst she went off to make a cup of tea). The police themselves have been absolute stars and I couldn't fault them.
You were attacked?!?!??! What happened??? I hope you are OK... well, as OK as can be expected after being attacked...
[quote][p][bold]ColchesterBod[/bold] wrote: It saddens me that our town is being portrayed as a violent town after the past large three news articles of the past three months. Coupled with that atrocious programme Bouncers. It's sad that a young defensive less lady has lost her life. It's amazing that the police have arrested someone this quickly, especially as it's still Clear that James Attwood's killer(s) may be at large or out on bail. I had the misfortune of being attacked last night in an unprovoked attack. Sadly my trust of the human race has diminished. My experience of calling 101 was as traumatic as the attack itself. Once the call was answered I was left on hold for 10 mins (probably whilst she went off to make a cup of tea). The police themselves have been absolute stars and I couldn't fault them.[/p][/quote]You were attacked?!?!??! What happened??? I hope you are OK... well, as OK as can be expected after being attacked... JohnStang
  • Score: 0

10:14pm Tue 17 Jun 14

colrobabob says...

JohnStang wrote:
colrobabob wrote:
Living in this town is becoming quite scary. Thats 2 murders and 1 attempted murder in just a few weeks! I used to think nothing of walking the route between Greenstead and Uni/ Wivenhoe, but now wouldn't do it at all! Something needs to be done before this gets worse!
What can you do to stop evil people like this? The people that are doing this are predators.... very dangerous people with mental problems.... Thanks to the budget cuts we will have less police, less lighting, less safety.... This is social decay... I don't see the point of living in Colchester.... I cannot walk home from Leisureworld at night without looking over my shoulder, wondering who is out there in all that darkness.... not a nice feeling at all...
Well..... more street lighting, more Police presence, education in schools, tougher prison sentences and sanctions etc - there's plenty that could be done - whether it will be is another matter altogether!
[quote][p][bold]JohnStang[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colrobabob[/bold] wrote: Living in this town is becoming quite scary. Thats 2 murders and 1 attempted murder in just a few weeks! I used to think nothing of walking the route between Greenstead and Uni/ Wivenhoe, but now wouldn't do it at all! Something needs to be done before this gets worse![/p][/quote]What can you do to stop evil people like this? The people that are doing this are predators.... very dangerous people with mental problems.... Thanks to the budget cuts we will have less police, less lighting, less safety.... This is social decay... I don't see the point of living in Colchester.... I cannot walk home from Leisureworld at night without looking over my shoulder, wondering who is out there in all that darkness.... not a nice feeling at all...[/p][/quote]Well..... more street lighting, more Police presence, education in schools, tougher prison sentences and sanctions etc - there's plenty that could be done - whether it will be is another matter altogether! colrobabob
  • Score: 8

11:35pm Tue 17 Jun 14

ColchesterBod says...

JohnStang wrote:
ColchesterBod wrote:
It saddens me that our town is being portrayed as a violent town after the past large three news articles of the past three months. Coupled with that atrocious programme Bouncers.

It's sad that a young defensive less lady has lost her life. It's amazing that the police have arrested someone this quickly, especially as it's still
Clear that James Attwood's killer(s) may be at large or out on bail.

I had the misfortune of being attacked last night in an unprovoked attack. Sadly my trust of the human race has diminished.

My experience of calling 101 was as traumatic as the attack itself. Once the call was answered I was left on hold for 10 mins (probably whilst she went off to make a cup of tea). The police themselves have been absolute stars and I couldn't fault them.
You were attacked?!?!??! What happened??? I hope you are OK... well, as OK as can be expected after being attacked...
Walking home and hit from behind by a lovely individual. Bruising to neck, and injuries sustained where I hit the railings.

I'll survive. Sadly that poor girl didn't.

Sadden by the past few months in this town.
[quote][p][bold]JohnStang[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColchesterBod[/bold] wrote: It saddens me that our town is being portrayed as a violent town after the past large three news articles of the past three months. Coupled with that atrocious programme Bouncers. It's sad that a young defensive less lady has lost her life. It's amazing that the police have arrested someone this quickly, especially as it's still Clear that James Attwood's killer(s) may be at large or out on bail. I had the misfortune of being attacked last night in an unprovoked attack. Sadly my trust of the human race has diminished. My experience of calling 101 was as traumatic as the attack itself. Once the call was answered I was left on hold for 10 mins (probably whilst she went off to make a cup of tea). The police themselves have been absolute stars and I couldn't fault them.[/p][/quote]You were attacked?!?!??! What happened??? I hope you are OK... well, as OK as can be expected after being attacked...[/p][/quote]Walking home and hit from behind by a lovely individual. Bruising to neck, and injuries sustained where I hit the railings. I'll survive. Sadly that poor girl didn't. Sadden by the past few months in this town. ColchesterBod
  • Score: 5

7:20am Wed 18 Jun 14

super waluigi says...

ColchesterBod wrote:
JohnStang wrote:
ColchesterBod wrote:
It saddens me that our town is being portrayed as a violent town after the past large three news articles of the past three months. Coupled with that atrocious programme Bouncers.

It's sad that a young defensive less lady has lost her life. It's amazing that the police have arrested someone this quickly, especially as it's still
Clear that James Attwood's killer(s) may be at large or out on bail.

I had the misfortune of being attacked last night in an unprovoked attack. Sadly my trust of the human race has diminished.

My experience of calling 101 was as traumatic as the attack itself. Once the call was answered I was left on hold for 10 mins (probably whilst she went off to make a cup of tea). The police themselves have been absolute stars and I couldn't fault them.
You were attacked?!?!??! What happened??? I hope you are OK... well, as OK as can be expected after being attacked...
Walking home and hit from behind by a lovely individual. Bruising to neck, and injuries sustained where I hit the railings.

I'll survive. Sadly that poor girl didn't.

Sadden by the past few months in this town.
I think you should ring 999 to be honest. Your attack could be linked to any murders in Colchester. Even location could rule certain people in or out. Shall I contact them for you?
[quote][p][bold]ColchesterBod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnStang[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColchesterBod[/bold] wrote: It saddens me that our town is being portrayed as a violent town after the past large three news articles of the past three months. Coupled with that atrocious programme Bouncers. It's sad that a young defensive less lady has lost her life. It's amazing that the police have arrested someone this quickly, especially as it's still Clear that James Attwood's killer(s) may be at large or out on bail. I had the misfortune of being attacked last night in an unprovoked attack. Sadly my trust of the human race has diminished. My experience of calling 101 was as traumatic as the attack itself. Once the call was answered I was left on hold for 10 mins (probably whilst she went off to make a cup of tea). The police themselves have been absolute stars and I couldn't fault them.[/p][/quote]You were attacked?!?!??! What happened??? I hope you are OK... well, as OK as can be expected after being attacked...[/p][/quote]Walking home and hit from behind by a lovely individual. Bruising to neck, and injuries sustained where I hit the railings. I'll survive. Sadly that poor girl didn't. Sadden by the past few months in this town.[/p][/quote]I think you should ring 999 to be honest. Your attack could be linked to any murders in Colchester. Even location could rule certain people in or out. Shall I contact them for you? super waluigi
  • Score: -14

8:43am Wed 18 Jun 14

Shaneblackdarkknight says...

District commander mr philibrown ,, colchester is a safe place to live ?.. Who are u kidding you fool .
District commander mr philibrown ,, colchester is a safe place to live ?.. Who are u kidding you fool . Shaneblackdarkknight
  • Score: 8

9:53am Wed 18 Jun 14

traveller4 says...

She is from Saudi Arabia and She arrived a month ago to study English for three months. She was heading to the university after taking her breakfast from Subway.
She is from Saudi Arabia and She arrived a month ago to study English for three months. She was heading to the university after taking her breakfast from Subway. traveller4
  • Score: 6

10:13am Wed 18 Jun 14

andy.hhh says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
Our society is breaking down bit by bit. We are returning to savagery; much to do with a lack of moral guidance from parents, the rejection of Christianity, **** and violent films in the home, etc. Some coward has done this and the police have got to do their best to find the culprit and get him prosecuted through the courts. What another sad day for Colchester. My condolences to this poor lady's family. The future? More of the same.
Sorry, but if you need Christianity to stop you from murdering someone then you should really check yourself into a mental home.

Really? If you need Christianity to stop you from murdering people then you have something dangerously wrong with you.
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: Our society is breaking down bit by bit. We are returning to savagery; much to do with a lack of moral guidance from parents, the rejection of Christianity, **** and violent films in the home, etc. Some coward has done this and the police have got to do their best to find the culprit and get him prosecuted through the courts. What another sad day for Colchester. My condolences to this poor lady's family. The future? More of the same.[/p][/quote]Sorry, but if you need Christianity to stop you from murdering someone then you should really check yourself into a mental home. Really? If you need Christianity to stop you from murdering people then you have something dangerously wrong with you. andy.hhh
  • Score: 30

10:14am Wed 18 Jun 14

genhol says...

Memma wrote:
I walked this way only an hour earlier :( so sad, hope she wasn't there at that time and I walked passed without seeing. RIP
I think you ought to make yourself known to Essex Police if you have not already. You may have seen something that may be relevant.
[quote][p][bold]Memma[/bold] wrote: I walked this way only an hour earlier :( so sad, hope she wasn't there at that time and I walked passed without seeing. RIP[/p][/quote]I think you ought to make yourself known to Essex Police if you have not already. You may have seen something that may be relevant. genhol
  • Score: 18

10:16am Wed 18 Jun 14

TheIdesOfMarch says...

Shaneblackdarkknight wrote:
District commander mr philibrown ,, colchester is a safe place to live ?.. Who are u kidding you fool .
the last 12 weeks of 2013 philibrown was doing operation christmas cracker what was it 300 arrests?
while the tea leafing was going on, dark and devious forces was at work in some minds, which has led the town into a spate of random and indiscriminate serial offences.
spending your time appeasing the flower dress brigade, when the money should have been spent on busting drug dens and drug supply in the town. counter intelligence should have been utilized in other areas not shoplifting.
[quote][p][bold]Shaneblackdarkknight[/bold] wrote: District commander mr philibrown ,, colchester is a safe place to live ?.. Who are u kidding you fool .[/p][/quote]the last 12 weeks of 2013 philibrown was doing operation christmas cracker what was it 300 arrests? while the tea leafing was going on, dark and devious forces was at work in some minds, which has led the town into a spate of random and indiscriminate serial offences. spending your time appeasing the flower dress brigade, when the money should have been spent on busting drug dens and drug supply in the town. counter intelligence should have been utilized in other areas not shoplifting. TheIdesOfMarch
  • Score: -8

10:18am Wed 18 Jun 14

genhol says...

Say It As It Is OK? wrote:
The report says "Anyone with information call Essex Police on 101 urgently"

If it's urgent (and this is) should it not be 999 because calling 101 is a complete waste of time and the police don't react urgently to 101 calls, if at all.
That has no bearing at all. 999 is routed via the BT Emergency system. Calls to this will flood the system which supports Fire and the Ambulance service.

When its rooted to the Police it will then be assessed and allocated according to priority. So don't call 999 unless its life and death. It has no bearing on how quickly the Police will react. People call 999 because they have no credit on their phones!!!
[quote][p][bold]Say It As It Is OK?[/bold] wrote: The report says "Anyone with information call Essex Police on 101 urgently" If it's urgent (and this is) should it not be 999 because calling 101 is a complete waste of time and the police don't react urgently to 101 calls, if at all.[/p][/quote]That has no bearing at all. 999 is routed via the BT Emergency system. Calls to this will flood the system which supports Fire and the Ambulance service. When its rooted to the Police it will then be assessed and allocated according to priority. So don't call 999 unless its life and death. It has no bearing on how quickly the Police will react. People call 999 because they have no credit on their phones!!! genhol
  • Score: 4

11:02am Wed 18 Jun 14

Shaneblackdarkknight says...

TheIdesOfMarch wrote:
Shaneblackdarkknight wrote:
District commander mr philibrown ,, colchester is a safe place to live ?.. Who are u kidding you fool .
the last 12 weeks of 2013 philibrown was doing operation christmas cracker what was it 300 arrests?
while the tea leafing was going on, dark and devious forces was at work in some minds, which has led the town into a spate of random and indiscriminate serial offences.
spending your time appeasing the flower dress brigade, when the money should have been spent on busting drug dens and drug supply in the town. counter intelligence should have been utilized in other areas not shoplifting.
Well said mate very well said it's all about there crime figures " colchester is rife with drug dealers and violent robbers and as the town population is growing faster than Simon cowells head we need more police going all out to stop this not making money out of fines via petty crime , anyway rip to this poor lass
[quote][p][bold]TheIdesOfMarch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shaneblackdarkknight[/bold] wrote: District commander mr philibrown ,, colchester is a safe place to live ?.. Who are u kidding you fool .[/p][/quote]the last 12 weeks of 2013 philibrown was doing operation christmas cracker what was it 300 arrests? while the tea leafing was going on, dark and devious forces was at work in some minds, which has led the town into a spate of random and indiscriminate serial offences. spending your time appeasing the flower dress brigade, when the money should have been spent on busting drug dens and drug supply in the town. counter intelligence should have been utilized in other areas not shoplifting.[/p][/quote]Well said mate very well said it's all about there crime figures " colchester is rife with drug dealers and violent robbers and as the town population is growing faster than Simon cowells head we need more police going all out to stop this not making money out of fines via petty crime , anyway rip to this poor lass Shaneblackdarkknight
  • Score: 9

11:17am Wed 18 Jun 14

WW says...

Makes me wonder what is happening in this town and how many more attacks / murders are going to take place.
I was attacked from behind on Monday night outside my own home. Rather stupidly didn't do anything about it at the time as I was too shocked but after yesterdays events I called 101, they didn't listen to what I wanted to report and put me through to the control room to add info to the murder investigation.
Makes me wonder what is happening in this town and how many more attacks / murders are going to take place. I was attacked from behind on Monday night outside my own home. Rather stupidly didn't do anything about it at the time as I was too shocked but after yesterdays events I called 101, they didn't listen to what I wanted to report and put me through to the control room to add info to the murder investigation. WW
  • Score: 10

11:35am Wed 18 Jun 14

Sonny61 says...

This is why we need the death penalty in this county, to prevent psychos from murdering innocent people. There's criminals nowadays who commit a crime just so they have a place to stay for the night ffs. I say anyone who takes the life of an innocent person deserves the death penalty.
This is why we need the death penalty in this county, to prevent psychos from murdering innocent people. There's criminals nowadays who commit a crime just so they have a place to stay for the night ffs. I say anyone who takes the life of an innocent person deserves the death penalty. Sonny61
  • Score: 1

11:48am Wed 18 Jun 14

WW says...

The increased Police presence in the area is comforting but is also too late for the poor student that lost her life.
The increased Police presence in the area is comforting but is also too late for the poor student that lost her life. WW
  • Score: 10

12:04pm Wed 18 Jun 14

colchestergirl84 says...

Is anyone else slightly concerned that 2 people on this thread have mentioned they have been attacked this week?? Are these incidents in the same area of Town? What is going on in Colchester?
Is anyone else slightly concerned that 2 people on this thread have mentioned they have been attacked this week?? Are these incidents in the same area of Town? What is going on in Colchester? colchestergirl84
  • Score: 30

12:35pm Wed 18 Jun 14

wormshero says...

Sonny61 wrote:
This is why we need the death penalty in this county, to prevent psychos from murdering innocent people. There's criminals nowadays who commit a crime just so they have a place to stay for the night ffs. I say anyone who takes the life of an innocent person deserves the death penalty.
Aye, because America has such low crime rates, and we had huge success back in the days of the bloody code.... The kind of "people" who commit these crimes don't think like you or I, deterrents don't have a profound effect on them. Let's hope for the safety of others that the person they caught is the perpetrator and that he gets locked up, although obviously that won't bring back the victim. RIP.
[quote][p][bold]Sonny61[/bold] wrote: This is why we need the death penalty in this county, to prevent psychos from murdering innocent people. There's criminals nowadays who commit a crime just so they have a place to stay for the night ffs. I say anyone who takes the life of an innocent person deserves the death penalty.[/p][/quote]Aye, because America has such low crime rates, and we had huge success back in the days of the bloody code.... The kind of "people" who commit these crimes don't think like you or I, deterrents don't have a profound effect on them. Let's hope for the safety of others that the person they caught is the perpetrator and that he gets locked up, although obviously that won't bring back the victim. RIP. wormshero
  • Score: 13

1:33pm Wed 18 Jun 14

OMPITA [Intl] says...

Wednesday update: Murder victim may have been targeted for being Muslim.

What a stupid and unjustified headline to publish. For all we know at this stage the poor lady could have been attacked for any one of a multitude of various reasons.

The Police (according to the Newsquest report) have not put anything into the public domain suggesting that her murder was any more likely to be the result of a race hate motivated attack than for any other reason. They have indeed been most circumspect in stating that “there is no current known motive and that they were keeping an open mind about it”.

Also the Police do not even state categorically that the victim was a Muslim; just that “her manner of dress indicted that she might have been”. Notwithstanding this, irrespective of whether she was or wasn’t of the Muslim faith and they make it quite clear that “there is no firm evidence at this time that she was targeted because of her religion”.

This is not the time to publish dangerously suggestive headlines which might lead some readers towards one particular narrow minded view of the situation.

The reportage should be predicated on facts and facts alone.
Wednesday update: Murder victim may have been targeted for being Muslim. What a stupid and unjustified headline to publish. For all we know at this stage the poor lady could have been attacked for any one of a multitude of various reasons. The Police (according to the Newsquest report) have not put anything into the public domain suggesting that her murder was any more likely to be the result of a race hate motivated attack than for any other reason. They have indeed been most circumspect in stating that “there is no current known motive and that they were keeping an open mind about it”. Also the Police do not even state categorically that the victim was a Muslim; just that “her manner of dress indicted that she might have been”. Notwithstanding this, irrespective of whether she was or wasn’t of the Muslim faith and they make it quite clear that “there is no firm evidence at this time that she was targeted because of her religion”. This is not the time to publish dangerously suggestive headlines which might lead some readers towards one particular narrow minded view of the situation. The reportage should be predicated on facts and facts alone. OMPITA [Intl]
  • Score: 24

1:40pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Flynny77 says...

Colchester for ya now! Time 2 move abroad asap!
Colchester for ya now! Time 2 move abroad asap! Flynny77
  • Score: -6

1:50pm Wed 18 Jun 14

jammin says...

Flynny77 wrote:
Colchester for ya now! Time 2 move abroad asap!
Bye then, close the door on the way out!
[quote][p][bold]Flynny77[/bold] wrote: Colchester for ya now! Time 2 move abroad asap![/p][/quote]Bye then, close the door on the way out! jammin
  • Score: 5

2:25pm Wed 18 Jun 14

ColchesterJoe says...

All my thoughts are with this poor woman and her family and lets hope the person responsible is caught and dealt with ASAP. It isn't a bad area just the odd cretin like everywhere else.
All my thoughts are with this poor woman and her family and lets hope the person responsible is caught and dealt with ASAP. It isn't a bad area just the odd cretin like everywhere else. ColchesterJoe
  • Score: 6

2:42pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Daily Mail Reader In Colchester says...

Would it be a surprise if this woman was attacked for being Muslim? With politics becoming like the Holy Bible, the Daily Mail, every day, attacks on minorities is the new face of toleration. Can't wait for the pro-EDL marching types to come on here celebrating this woman's death. Should make for a great march that the EDL are planning next month. Groups like the EDL an far-right newspapers have done more damage to community relations in this country than anything else.
Would it be a surprise if this woman was attacked for being Muslim? With politics becoming like the Holy Bible, the Daily Mail, every day, attacks on minorities is the new face of toleration. Can't wait for the pro-EDL marching types to come on here celebrating this woman's death. Should make for a great march that the EDL are planning next month. Groups like the EDL an far-right newspapers have done more damage to community relations in this country than anything else. Daily Mail Reader In Colchester
  • Score: 13

3:15pm Wed 18 Jun 14

irishmalak says...

she is a saudi girl and my friend it is horrible what happen to her.. i cant believe that. she wanted to come to the UK despite having lots of problems to continue her studies!. its not the first time that a Muslim girl have been attached in UK ... i hope they will find who killed her soon. and i wish anyone has any information to contact the local police
she is a saudi girl and my friend it is horrible what happen to her.. i cant believe that. she wanted to come to the UK despite having lots of problems to continue her studies!. its not the first time that a Muslim girl have been attached in UK ... i hope they will find who killed her soon. and i wish anyone has any information to contact the local police irishmalak
  • Score: 31

3:38pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Dave Bruce says...

Yet another life cut tragically short and another family reduced to pain and grief. And for what? What is happening in this town? This is unbelievable! My sincerest condolences to the young woman's family.
Yet another life cut tragically short and another family reduced to pain and grief. And for what? What is happening in this town? This is unbelievable! My sincerest condolences to the young woman's family. Dave Bruce
  • Score: 12

4:11pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Daily Mail Reader In Colchester says...

I eagerly await the coverage from The Daily Mail and the Daily Telegraph with their well informed comments section. These heinous acts really are a sign of our age. I really hope for the sake of sanity the EDL do not march in Colchester next month for these reasons. This is an innocent person butchered in broad daylight and murdered. The feelings are with the family. and alas this heinous murder will receive very little attention by the mainstream media or far-right organizations due to the minority she is. A disgrace
I eagerly await the coverage from The Daily Mail and the Daily Telegraph with their well informed comments section. These heinous acts really are a sign of our age. I really hope for the sake of sanity the EDL do not march in Colchester next month for these reasons. This is an innocent person butchered in broad daylight and murdered. The feelings are with the family. and alas this heinous murder will receive very little attention by the mainstream media or far-right organizations due to the minority she is. A disgrace Daily Mail Reader In Colchester
  • Score: -3

4:24pm Wed 18 Jun 14

romantic says...

The bigger question now is: are these all connected? I don't know if it would be more comforting to know there's only one loony killer on the loose, or to find that they are unconnected. I have, for many years, argued that Colchester is a safe place to be, that the crime rate is less than most similar places, but the past few months I'm starting to wonder if that's really the case.

The rarest type of killing is the random attack on a stranger. Obviously, without knowing who the killer(s) are, we don't know if this is the case, but publicly at least, the James Attfield case seems to have hit a brick wall. Could it be somebody from his past?

And now we have this: could be an anti-Muslim crime, could be random attack on a stranger, could be somebody she knew. We just don't know. Then we find two people on this thread have also been attacked, seemingly in random attacks.

The police can only act on evidence and information. Somebody somewhere will be acting strangely, somebody somewhere has got home with blood on them.

Colchester begins to seem like a less happy and welcoming place when this sort of stuff happens.
The bigger question now is: are these all connected? I don't know if it would be more comforting to know there's only one loony killer on the loose, or to find that they are unconnected. I have, for many years, argued that Colchester is a safe place to be, that the crime rate is less than most similar places, but the past few months I'm starting to wonder if that's really the case. The rarest type of killing is the random attack on a stranger. Obviously, without knowing who the killer(s) are, we don't know if this is the case, but publicly at least, the James Attfield case seems to have hit a brick wall. Could it be somebody from his past? And now we have this: could be an anti-Muslim crime, could be random attack on a stranger, could be somebody she knew. We just don't know. Then we find two people on this thread have also been attacked, seemingly in random attacks. The police can only act on evidence and information. Somebody somewhere will be acting strangely, somebody somewhere has got home with blood on them. Colchester begins to seem like a less happy and welcoming place when this sort of stuff happens. romantic
  • Score: 1

5:01pm Wed 18 Jun 14

SaudiAli says...

I am a Saudi ,I used to live with my family in Colchester when I was doing my Msc at Essex University (2007-2010). in that time I have not had to much problem some times teenagers pass by me and say some bad words but in general it was a nice town and i have had many friends there.

tally many Saudi students when I contacted them through Saudi Students Club at the university. say Colchester changed and they advised me to not return back for my Phd at Essex University.they said it was not save as it was in 2007 when I was there.and they in each day hearing ( go back home ....paky .....and some other words that is not suitable to be written her.

I loved Colchester and I am sad to hear this bad news.
Please do not think I am trying to make a bad impression about colchester , last month I brought 4 admission from CESC and university of Essex for some of my friends.

hope they will arrest the criminal who is responsible for this Crime.

I still love Colchester and love all Nice people who I have know
( Mandy with her Family in New Town Road .
Sarah Day in King Stephen Road.
Stefano
...etc
I am a Saudi ,I used to live with my family in Colchester when I was doing my Msc at Essex University (2007-2010). in that time I have not had to much problem some times teenagers pass by me and say some bad words but in general it was a nice town and i have had many friends there. tally many Saudi students when I contacted them through Saudi Students Club at the university. say Colchester changed and they advised me to not return back for my Phd at Essex University.they said it was not save as it was in 2007 when I was there.and they in each day hearing ( go back home ....paky .....and some other words that is not suitable to be written her. I loved Colchester and I am sad to hear this bad news. Please do not think I am trying to make a bad impression about colchester , last month I brought 4 admission from CESC and university of Essex for some of my friends. hope they will arrest the criminal who is responsible for this Crime. I still love Colchester and love all Nice people who I have know ( Mandy with her Family in New Town Road . Sarah Day in King Stephen Road. Stefano ...etc SaudiAli
  • Score: 43

5:24pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Memma says...

genhol wrote:
Memma wrote:
I walked this way only an hour earlier :( so sad, hope she wasn't there at that time and I walked passed without seeing. RIP
I think you ought to make yourself known to Essex Police if you have not already. You may have seen something that may be relevant.
I didn't see anything out of the ordinary... but I'm calling them now just to come forward
[quote][p][bold]genhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Memma[/bold] wrote: I walked this way only an hour earlier :( so sad, hope she wasn't there at that time and I walked passed without seeing. RIP[/p][/quote]I think you ought to make yourself known to Essex Police if you have not already. You may have seen something that may be relevant.[/p][/quote]I didn't see anything out of the ordinary... but I'm calling them now just to come forward Memma
  • Score: 13

6:41pm Wed 18 Jun 14

girlmontofri says...

The scary thing is a murderer is still out there. Police are now fire fighting every incident and are being re-active rather than pro-active. Cuts don't help we need the police back on the beat 24 hrs a day visual. It will nor get better in thetford we live in its getting worse and what happens we cut back on the resources to fight crime! Poor lady Rip x
The scary thing is a murderer is still out there. Police are now fire fighting every incident and are being re-active rather than pro-active. Cuts don't help we need the police back on the beat 24 hrs a day visual. It will nor get better in thetford we live in its getting worse and what happens we cut back on the resources to fight crime! Poor lady Rip x girlmontofri
  • Score: 0

7:51pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Grumpy old Buzzard says...

Well I hope Bob Russell is proud of himself. At least Labour supported Nick de Bois sensible amendment on knife crime. Colchester Lib Dems should realise that being soft on knife crime means that more families in places like Colchester mourn loved ones. 3 murders in 4 months and Bob Russell and his corrupt, lying perverted fellow members of parliament keep their heads in the sand and do not stand up for the law abiding minority in Essex

Colchester Ditch the Dems campaign
Well I hope Bob Russell is proud of himself. At least Labour supported Nick de Bois sensible amendment on knife crime. Colchester Lib Dems should realise that being soft on knife crime means that more families in places like Colchester mourn loved ones. 3 murders in 4 months and Bob Russell and his corrupt, lying perverted fellow members of parliament keep their heads in the sand and do not stand up for the law abiding minority in Essex Colchester Ditch the Dems campaign Grumpy old Buzzard
  • Score: 2

8:36pm Wed 18 Jun 14

JohnStang says...

So just because the woman is Muslim all of a sudden this is a hate crime? The truth is that the police are completely clueless, like normal.
So just because the woman is Muslim all of a sudden this is a hate crime? The truth is that the police are completely clueless, like normal. JohnStang
  • Score: 4

10:47pm Wed 18 Jun 14

sjalm01 says...

its hate crime... i am muslim and lived in USA for 5 years never get any even a look they were respect other religions ... my sister in Uk from march and she said she always get bad comment while walking in the street... why most of British people so racist.. i hope saudi government stop the scholarship in UK universities we spend to much money to study there not to be killed.
its hate crime... i am muslim and lived in USA for 5 years never get any even a look they were respect other religions ... my sister in Uk from march and she said she always get bad comment while walking in the street... why most of British people so racist.. i hope saudi government stop the scholarship in UK universities we spend to much money to study there not to be killed. sjalm01
  • Score: -13

8:11am Thu 19 Jun 14

Bhudeeka says...

sjalm01 people like you give people like me a bad name the West have every rightand justification to dislike islams and muslims I fled my own country because you lot took over and made our religion illegal and enforced yours on ours and now it is happening in the West you are nothing but racist bullies and your comment which is racist should be removed from this website islam and muslims are desperate to rule the world and you seem to be succeeding I just hope people in all countries who are not muslim fight you all the way I would rather diethan take your hateful bullying faith
sjalm01 people like you give people like me a bad name the West have every rightand justification to dislike islams and muslims I fled my own country because you lot took over and made our religion illegal and enforced yours on ours and now it is happening in the West you are nothing but racist bullies and your comment which is racist should be removed from this website islam and muslims are desperate to rule the world and you seem to be succeeding I just hope people in all countries who are not muslim fight you all the way I would rather diethan take your hateful bullying faith Bhudeeka
  • Score: 3

8:51am Thu 19 Jun 14

ColchesterJoe says...

Last update 3.30pm Tuesday. Does anyone actually work for this paper or is it all part timers? So behind, outdated and badly run. They only turn up to delete comments against them. Incredible. Embarrassing.
Last update 3.30pm Tuesday. Does anyone actually work for this paper or is it all part timers? So behind, outdated and badly run. They only turn up to delete comments against them. Incredible. Embarrassing. ColchesterJoe
  • Score: 0

9:31am Thu 19 Jun 14

blockpaver says...

sjalm01 wrote:
its hate crime... i am muslim and lived in USA for 5 years never get any even a look they were respect other religions ... my sister in Uk from march and she said she always get bad comment while walking in the street... why most of British people so racist.. i hope saudi government stop the scholarship in UK universities we spend to much money to study there not to be killed.
Perhaps sjalm01 should hold on the comments until the Police find out who did it, the inference of the commnet is that a British person committed the crime. Perhaps it was but perhaps it wasn’t. The act of murder isn’t the sole prerogative of Northern Europeans.
[quote][p][bold]sjalm01[/bold] wrote: its hate crime... i am muslim and lived in USA for 5 years never get any even a look they were respect other religions ... my sister in Uk from march and she said she always get bad comment while walking in the street... why most of British people so racist.. i hope saudi government stop the scholarship in UK universities we spend to much money to study there not to be killed.[/p][/quote]Perhaps sjalm01 should hold on the comments until the Police find out who did it, the inference of the commnet is that a British person committed the crime. Perhaps it was but perhaps it wasn’t. The act of murder isn’t the sole prerogative of Northern Europeans. blockpaver
  • Score: 11

11:36am Thu 19 Jun 14

zt00013 says...

sjalm01 wrote:
its hate crime... i am muslim and lived in USA for 5 years never get any even a look they were respect other religions ... my sister in Uk from march and she said she always get bad comment while walking in the street... why most of British people so racist.. i hope saudi government stop the scholarship in UK universities we spend to much money to study there not to be killed.
It is not necessarily a hate crime, the motivations for the crime are unknown. Recently, a young man was murdered in a similar fashion in the town and his killer is yet to be caught. The two maybe connected or not but it would seem that that link is more likely than assuming it is a hate crime. Furthermore, one could equally assume that this was an honour killing in the same vein as current assumptions.

Saudi Arabia implements strict religious law that is entirely intolerant of every other culture and faith. East Asian people are enslaved in Saudi Arabia in the hundreds of thousands. Many have been murdered by their families. Saudi Arabia as a state is racist both in law and in its inability to coexist with any other culture. The UK is a tolerant and accepting society. It is a cosmopolitan state in which a plurality of faiths, cultures and races live together free from the threat of violence or coercion from the state. The same cannot be said for Saudi Arabia.

In truth most of us would rather no Saudi Arabian came to the UK. A deeply misogynistic, racist and xenophobic society creates people mostly incompatible for life in a modern, secular and cosmopolitan state.
[quote][p][bold]sjalm01[/bold] wrote: its hate crime... i am muslim and lived in USA for 5 years never get any even a look they were respect other religions ... my sister in Uk from march and she said she always get bad comment while walking in the street... why most of British people so racist.. i hope saudi government stop the scholarship in UK universities we spend to much money to study there not to be killed.[/p][/quote]It is not necessarily a hate crime, the motivations for the crime are unknown. Recently, a young man was murdered in a similar fashion in the town and his killer is yet to be caught. The two maybe connected or not but it would seem that that link is more likely than assuming it is a hate crime. Furthermore, one could equally assume that this was an honour killing in the same vein as current assumptions. Saudi Arabia implements strict religious law that is entirely intolerant of every other culture and faith. East Asian people are enslaved in Saudi Arabia in the hundreds of thousands. Many have been murdered by their families. Saudi Arabia as a state is racist both in law and in its inability to coexist with any other culture. The UK is a tolerant and accepting society. It is a cosmopolitan state in which a plurality of faiths, cultures and races live together free from the threat of violence or coercion from the state. The same cannot be said for Saudi Arabia. In truth most of us would rather no Saudi Arabian came to the UK. A deeply misogynistic, racist and xenophobic society creates people mostly incompatible for life in a modern, secular and cosmopolitan state. zt00013
  • Score: 9

11:40am Thu 19 Jun 14

zt00013 says...

Sonny61 wrote:
This is why we need the death penalty in this county, to prevent psychos from murdering innocent people. There's criminals nowadays who commit a crime just so they have a place to stay for the night ffs. I say anyone who takes the life of an innocent person deserves the death penalty.
Academic studies have time and again shown there to be no deterrence factor arising from capital punishment. Your Old Testament revenge mentality is moronic. There are many practicalities which make capital punishment untenable. It costs more than life imprisonment. The state may take the life of an innocent, a mistake which can never be rectified. A life for a life fails to appreciate the complexity of real life murder cases and is far to simplistic. Such simple black and white binaries are moronic.
[quote][p][bold]Sonny61[/bold] wrote: This is why we need the death penalty in this county, to prevent psychos from murdering innocent people. There's criminals nowadays who commit a crime just so they have a place to stay for the night ffs. I say anyone who takes the life of an innocent person deserves the death penalty.[/p][/quote]Academic studies have time and again shown there to be no deterrence factor arising from capital punishment. Your Old Testament revenge mentality is moronic. There are many practicalities which make capital punishment untenable. It costs more than life imprisonment. The state may take the life of an innocent, a mistake which can never be rectified. A life for a life fails to appreciate the complexity of real life murder cases and is far to simplistic. Such simple black and white binaries are moronic. zt00013
  • Score: -4

12:17pm Thu 19 Jun 14

wormshero says...

zt00013 wrote:
sjalm01 wrote:
its hate crime... i am muslim and lived in USA for 5 years never get any even a look they were respect other religions ... my sister in Uk from march and she said she always get bad comment while walking in the street... why most of British people so racist.. i hope saudi government stop the scholarship in UK universities we spend to much money to study there not to be killed.
It is not necessarily a hate crime, the motivations for the crime are unknown. Recently, a young man was murdered in a similar fashion in the town and his killer is yet to be caught. The two maybe connected or not but it would seem that that link is more likely than assuming it is a hate crime. Furthermore, one could equally assume that this was an honour killing in the same vein as current assumptions.

Saudi Arabia implements strict religious law that is entirely intolerant of every other culture and faith. East Asian people are enslaved in Saudi Arabia in the hundreds of thousands. Many have been murdered by their families. Saudi Arabia as a state is racist both in law and in its inability to coexist with any other culture. The UK is a tolerant and accepting society. It is a cosmopolitan state in which a plurality of faiths, cultures and races live together free from the threat of violence or coercion from the state. The same cannot be said for Saudi Arabia.

In truth most of us would rather no Saudi Arabian came to the UK. A deeply misogynistic, racist and xenophobic society creates people mostly incompatible for life in a modern, secular and cosmopolitan state.
Is an article about the murder of a Saudi woman really the place to be spouting your anti-Saudi rhetoric? For a start the views of the nations government aren't necessarily held by all citizens. Also the police appear to have ruled out honor killing, reading articles in the national news (infact, the Gazette's other article has this statement from the police "She dismissed rumours this could have been a so called honour killing saying there was “absolutely nothing to suggest there is any truth in this” but thanked everyone who had already made contact.")
[quote][p][bold]zt00013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sjalm01[/bold] wrote: its hate crime... i am muslim and lived in USA for 5 years never get any even a look they were respect other religions ... my sister in Uk from march and she said she always get bad comment while walking in the street... why most of British people so racist.. i hope saudi government stop the scholarship in UK universities we spend to much money to study there not to be killed.[/p][/quote]It is not necessarily a hate crime, the motivations for the crime are unknown. Recently, a young man was murdered in a similar fashion in the town and his killer is yet to be caught. The two maybe connected or not but it would seem that that link is more likely than assuming it is a hate crime. Furthermore, one could equally assume that this was an honour killing in the same vein as current assumptions. Saudi Arabia implements strict religious law that is entirely intolerant of every other culture and faith. East Asian people are enslaved in Saudi Arabia in the hundreds of thousands. Many have been murdered by their families. Saudi Arabia as a state is racist both in law and in its inability to coexist with any other culture. The UK is a tolerant and accepting society. It is a cosmopolitan state in which a plurality of faiths, cultures and races live together free from the threat of violence or coercion from the state. The same cannot be said for Saudi Arabia. In truth most of us would rather no Saudi Arabian came to the UK. A deeply misogynistic, racist and xenophobic society creates people mostly incompatible for life in a modern, secular and cosmopolitan state.[/p][/quote]Is an article about the murder of a Saudi woman really the place to be spouting your anti-Saudi rhetoric? For a start the views of the nations government aren't necessarily held by all citizens. Also the police appear to have ruled out honor killing, reading articles in the national news (infact, the Gazette's other article has this statement from the police "She dismissed rumours this could have been a so called honour killing saying there was “absolutely nothing to suggest there is any truth in this” but thanked everyone who had already made contact.") wormshero
  • Score: -7

12:22pm Thu 19 Jun 14

romantic says...

zt00013 wrote:
sjalm01 wrote:
its hate crime... i am muslim and lived in USA for 5 years never get any even a look they were respect other religions ... my sister in Uk from march and she said she always get bad comment while walking in the street... why most of British people so racist.. i hope saudi government stop the scholarship in UK universities we spend to much money to study there not to be killed.
It is not necessarily a hate crime, the motivations for the crime are unknown. Recently, a young man was murdered in a similar fashion in the town and his killer is yet to be caught. The two maybe connected or not but it would seem that that link is more likely than assuming it is a hate crime. Furthermore, one could equally assume that this was an honour killing in the same vein as current assumptions.

Saudi Arabia implements strict religious law that is entirely intolerant of every other culture and faith. East Asian people are enslaved in Saudi Arabia in the hundreds of thousands. Many have been murdered by their families. Saudi Arabia as a state is racist both in law and in its inability to coexist with any other culture. The UK is a tolerant and accepting society. It is a cosmopolitan state in which a plurality of faiths, cultures and races live together free from the threat of violence or coercion from the state. The same cannot be said for Saudi Arabia.

In truth most of us would rather no Saudi Arabian came to the UK. A deeply misogynistic, racist and xenophobic society creates people mostly incompatible for life in a modern, secular and cosmopolitan state.
I see what you're saying, but disagree. Whatever the Saudi system is like (and I cannot really disagree with the description of it as misogynistic, racist and xenophobic), it does not follow that every Saudi person is the same. My opinion is along the lines that "travel broadens the mind". The Saudis who come here see a different way of life and culture to their own. When they go home, they may influence those around them and question the way things are.

If no Saudis came here, that would not happen. Personally, I am happy to see students from any nation come here. They forge links with people which can lead to trade in the future, and go back hopefully painting a picture of the "tolerant and accepting society" they have been part of.

It is not the fault of this poor Saudi woman that she comes from an oppressive country. None of us has particular control over what our government does, why would she be able to influence that? She probably doesn't have influence over any enslaved East Asians. Most of the Middle East is built and run by workers from India and Pakistan who may not be slaves, but have severely limited chances of leaving; we should, by your logic, therefore also cut contact with UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait.

Somebody is scarcely 2 days dead, we have no idea if this is a racial hate crime or a random nutter, but let's really not get into blaming the victim.
[quote][p][bold]zt00013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sjalm01[/bold] wrote: its hate crime... i am muslim and lived in USA for 5 years never get any even a look they were respect other religions ... my sister in Uk from march and she said she always get bad comment while walking in the street... why most of British people so racist.. i hope saudi government stop the scholarship in UK universities we spend to much money to study there not to be killed.[/p][/quote]It is not necessarily a hate crime, the motivations for the crime are unknown. Recently, a young man was murdered in a similar fashion in the town and his killer is yet to be caught. The two maybe connected or not but it would seem that that link is more likely than assuming it is a hate crime. Furthermore, one could equally assume that this was an honour killing in the same vein as current assumptions. Saudi Arabia implements strict religious law that is entirely intolerant of every other culture and faith. East Asian people are enslaved in Saudi Arabia in the hundreds of thousands. Many have been murdered by their families. Saudi Arabia as a state is racist both in law and in its inability to coexist with any other culture. The UK is a tolerant and accepting society. It is a cosmopolitan state in which a plurality of faiths, cultures and races live together free from the threat of violence or coercion from the state. The same cannot be said for Saudi Arabia. In truth most of us would rather no Saudi Arabian came to the UK. A deeply misogynistic, racist and xenophobic society creates people mostly incompatible for life in a modern, secular and cosmopolitan state.[/p][/quote]I see what you're saying, but disagree. Whatever the Saudi system is like (and I cannot really disagree with the description of it as misogynistic, racist and xenophobic), it does not follow that every Saudi person is the same. My opinion is along the lines that "travel broadens the mind". The Saudis who come here see a different way of life and culture to their own. When they go home, they may influence those around them and question the way things are. If no Saudis came here, that would not happen. Personally, I am happy to see students from any nation come here. They forge links with people which can lead to trade in the future, and go back hopefully painting a picture of the "tolerant and accepting society" they have been part of. It is not the fault of this poor Saudi woman that she comes from an oppressive country. None of us has particular control over what our government does, why would she be able to influence that? She probably doesn't have influence over any enslaved East Asians. Most of the Middle East is built and run by workers from India and Pakistan who may not be slaves, but have severely limited chances of leaving; we should, by your logic, therefore also cut contact with UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait. Somebody is scarcely 2 days dead, we have no idea if this is a racial hate crime or a random nutter, but let's really not get into blaming the victim. romantic
  • Score: 5

2:22pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Misty4 says...

MarkStone wrote:
the lights are off late in the night for the entire hythe/greenstead area. surely this helps these kind of actions and phenomena. this is what happens when governments prioritise profits instead of their peoples
This woman was attacked mid-morning, according to news reports, so the lights being off did not make a ha'porth of difference.
[quote][p][bold]MarkStone[/bold] wrote: the lights are off late in the night for the entire hythe/greenstead area. surely this helps these kind of actions and phenomena. this is what happens when governments prioritise profits instead of their peoples[/p][/quote]This woman was attacked mid-morning, according to news reports, so the lights being off did not make a ha'porth of difference. Misty4
  • Score: 7

3:12pm Thu 19 Jun 14

JohnStang says...

I would say it seems like we have a serial kiler stalking Colchester. This best way to stop someone like this is to stop giving him the opportunity to attack. Don't go down footpaths, dont walk alone.
I would say it seems like we have a serial kiler stalking Colchester. This best way to stop someone like this is to stop giving him the opportunity to attack. Don't go down footpaths, dont walk alone. JohnStang
  • Score: 4

7:06pm Thu 19 Jun 14

WW says...

colchestergirl84 wrote:
Is anyone else slightly concerned that 2 people on this thread have mentioned they have been attacked this week?? Are these incidents in the same area of Town? What is going on in Colchester?
I'm still waiting for statements to be taken regarding Monday evening's events. Doubt I'll hear from them as they are too tied up with the more important matter at hand.
I got away with bruises and grazes, unlike that poor poor woman. I live approx half - three quarters of a mile from where this happened.

R.I.P Nahid x
[quote][p][bold]colchestergirl84[/bold] wrote: Is anyone else slightly concerned that 2 people on this thread have mentioned they have been attacked this week?? Are these incidents in the same area of Town? What is going on in Colchester?[/p][/quote]I'm still waiting for statements to be taken regarding Monday evening's events. Doubt I'll hear from them as they are too tied up with the more important matter at hand. I got away with bruises and grazes, unlike that poor poor woman. I live approx half - three quarters of a mile from where this happened. R.I.P Nahid x WW
  • Score: 1

12:15am Fri 20 Jun 14

sjalm01 says...

Bhudeeka wrote:
sjalm01 people like you give people like me a bad name the West have every rightand justification to dislike islams and muslims I fled my own country because you lot took over and made our religion illegal and enforced yours on ours and now it is happening in the West you are nothing but racist bullies and your comment which is racist should be removed from this website islam and muslims are desperate to rule the world and you seem to be succeeding I just hope people in all countries who are not muslim fight you all the way I would rather diethan take your hateful bullying faith
your comment full of hate.... i have friend from different religions we live in one world you can't just blame people because they live in your country they live there for a reason no body feel happy to leave his country. so no make you religion illegal that just in your racist mind.
[quote][p][bold]Bhudeeka[/bold] wrote: sjalm01 people like you give people like me a bad name the West have every rightand justification to dislike islams and muslims I fled my own country because you lot took over and made our religion illegal and enforced yours on ours and now it is happening in the West you are nothing but racist bullies and your comment which is racist should be removed from this website islam and muslims are desperate to rule the world and you seem to be succeeding I just hope people in all countries who are not muslim fight you all the way I would rather diethan take your hateful bullying faith[/p][/quote]your comment full of hate.... i have friend from different religions we live in one world you can't just blame people because they live in your country they live there for a reason no body feel happy to leave his country. so no make you religion illegal that just in your racist mind. sjalm01
  • Score: -4

9:42am Fri 20 Jun 14

Uk lover says...

I am a saudi. And I am glad to see all these nice words and condolences from you for this poor lady. What I believe is that british people are very kind and polite. I lived in UK for many years. And I got all respect from people there. I miss UK a lot. Lets pray for a safer life for Colchester residence.
I am a saudi. And I am glad to see all these nice words and condolences from you for this poor lady. What I believe is that british people are very kind and polite. I lived in UK for many years. And I got all respect from people there. I miss UK a lot. Lets pray for a safer life for Colchester residence. Uk lover
  • Score: 12

9:50am Fri 20 Jun 14

zt00013 says...

romantic wrote:
zt00013 wrote:
sjalm01 wrote:
its hate crime... i am muslim and lived in USA for 5 years never get any even a look they were respect other religions ... my sister in Uk from march and she said she always get bad comment while walking in the street... why most of British people so racist.. i hope saudi government stop the scholarship in UK universities we spend to much money to study there not to be killed.
It is not necessarily a hate crime, the motivations for the crime are unknown. Recently, a young man was murdered in a similar fashion in the town and his killer is yet to be caught. The two maybe connected or not but it would seem that that link is more likely than assuming it is a hate crime. Furthermore, one could equally assume that this was an honour killing in the same vein as current assumptions.

Saudi Arabia implements strict religious law that is entirely intolerant of every other culture and faith. East Asian people are enslaved in Saudi Arabia in the hundreds of thousands. Many have been murdered by their families. Saudi Arabia as a state is racist both in law and in its inability to coexist with any other culture. The UK is a tolerant and accepting society. It is a cosmopolitan state in which a plurality of faiths, cultures and races live together free from the threat of violence or coercion from the state. The same cannot be said for Saudi Arabia.

In truth most of us would rather no Saudi Arabian came to the UK. A deeply misogynistic, racist and xenophobic society creates people mostly incompatible for life in a modern, secular and cosmopolitan state.
I see what you're saying, but disagree. Whatever the Saudi system is like (and I cannot really disagree with the description of it as misogynistic, racist and xenophobic), it does not follow that every Saudi person is the same. My opinion is along the lines that "travel broadens the mind". The Saudis who come here see a different way of life and culture to their own. When they go home, they may influence those around them and question the way things are.

If no Saudis came here, that would not happen. Personally, I am happy to see students from any nation come here. They forge links with people which can lead to trade in the future, and go back hopefully painting a picture of the "tolerant and accepting society" they have been part of.

It is not the fault of this poor Saudi woman that she comes from an oppressive country. None of us has particular control over what our government does, why would she be able to influence that? She probably doesn't have influence over any enslaved East Asians. Most of the Middle East is built and run by workers from India and Pakistan who may not be slaves, but have severely limited chances of leaving; we should, by your logic, therefore also cut contact with UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait.

Somebody is scarcely 2 days dead, we have no idea if this is a racial hate crime or a random nutter, but let's really not get into blaming the victim.
I am of a similar opinion. I suppose I was riled by the poster using the death of a young lady to espouse anti-British views and state that British society is racist.

RIP Nahid Al-Manea.
[quote][p][bold]romantic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zt00013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sjalm01[/bold] wrote: its hate crime... i am muslim and lived in USA for 5 years never get any even a look they were respect other religions ... my sister in Uk from march and she said she always get bad comment while walking in the street... why most of British people so racist.. i hope saudi government stop the scholarship in UK universities we spend to much money to study there not to be killed.[/p][/quote]It is not necessarily a hate crime, the motivations for the crime are unknown. Recently, a young man was murdered in a similar fashion in the town and his killer is yet to be caught. The two maybe connected or not but it would seem that that link is more likely than assuming it is a hate crime. Furthermore, one could equally assume that this was an honour killing in the same vein as current assumptions. Saudi Arabia implements strict religious law that is entirely intolerant of every other culture and faith. East Asian people are enslaved in Saudi Arabia in the hundreds of thousands. Many have been murdered by their families. Saudi Arabia as a state is racist both in law and in its inability to coexist with any other culture. The UK is a tolerant and accepting society. It is a cosmopolitan state in which a plurality of faiths, cultures and races live together free from the threat of violence or coercion from the state. The same cannot be said for Saudi Arabia. In truth most of us would rather no Saudi Arabian came to the UK. A deeply misogynistic, racist and xenophobic society creates people mostly incompatible for life in a modern, secular and cosmopolitan state.[/p][/quote]I see what you're saying, but disagree. Whatever the Saudi system is like (and I cannot really disagree with the description of it as misogynistic, racist and xenophobic), it does not follow that every Saudi person is the same. My opinion is along the lines that "travel broadens the mind". The Saudis who come here see a different way of life and culture to their own. When they go home, they may influence those around them and question the way things are. If no Saudis came here, that would not happen. Personally, I am happy to see students from any nation come here. They forge links with people which can lead to trade in the future, and go back hopefully painting a picture of the "tolerant and accepting society" they have been part of. It is not the fault of this poor Saudi woman that she comes from an oppressive country. None of us has particular control over what our government does, why would she be able to influence that? She probably doesn't have influence over any enslaved East Asians. Most of the Middle East is built and run by workers from India and Pakistan who may not be slaves, but have severely limited chances of leaving; we should, by your logic, therefore also cut contact with UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait. Somebody is scarcely 2 days dead, we have no idea if this is a racial hate crime or a random nutter, but let's really not get into blaming the victim.[/p][/quote]I am of a similar opinion. I suppose I was riled by the poster using the death of a young lady to espouse anti-British views and state that British society is racist. RIP Nahid Al-Manea. zt00013
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11:27am Fri 20 Jun 14

colchestergirl84 says...

WW wrote:
colchestergirl84 wrote:
Is anyone else slightly concerned that 2 people on this thread have mentioned they have been attacked this week?? Are these incidents in the same area of Town? What is going on in Colchester?
I'm still waiting for statements to be taken regarding Monday evening's events. Doubt I'll hear from them as they are too tied up with the more important matter at hand.
I got away with bruises and grazes, unlike that poor poor woman. I live approx half - three quarters of a mile from where this happened.

R.I.P Nahid x
Please do not feel like I am criticising you WW as I'm not nor am I down playing the importance of this situation. All I am saying is that they "MIGHT BE" related. I feel that your incident is important and could of had a very different outcome........
[quote][p][bold]WW[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colchestergirl84[/bold] wrote: Is anyone else slightly concerned that 2 people on this thread have mentioned they have been attacked this week?? Are these incidents in the same area of Town? What is going on in Colchester?[/p][/quote]I'm still waiting for statements to be taken regarding Monday evening's events. Doubt I'll hear from them as they are too tied up with the more important matter at hand. I got away with bruises and grazes, unlike that poor poor woman. I live approx half - three quarters of a mile from where this happened. R.I.P Nahid x[/p][/quote]Please do not feel like I am criticising you WW as I'm not nor am I down playing the importance of this situation. All I am saying is that they "MIGHT BE" related. I feel that your incident is important and could of had a very different outcome........ colchestergirl84
  • Score: -1

11:56am Fri 20 Jun 14

szandor says...

I left Colchester because it is the pits...it is obvious the place is a failed town! Anywhere that insists one pays for a coffee before receiving it shows the place can't even trust its own citizens. The police have more in common with the villains and the place seems to be full of UKIP half wits...racists, homophobes and anyone who is different from the indigenous moronic retard will be attacked! It hasn't changed...it has always been like that! Why else would the property be so cheap?...'cos nobody wants to live there except people who can't afford to live anywhere else and it is hard to make enough money in the region to escape!
I left Colchester because it is the pits...it is obvious the place is a failed town! Anywhere that insists one pays for a coffee before receiving it shows the place can't even trust its own citizens. The police have more in common with the villains and the place seems to be full of UKIP half wits...racists, homophobes and anyone who is different from the indigenous moronic retard will be attacked! It hasn't changed...it has always been like that! Why else would the property be so cheap?...'cos nobody wants to live there except people who can't afford to live anywhere else and it is hard to make enough money in the region to escape! szandor
  • Score: -3

2:07pm Fri 20 Jun 14

szandor says...

I was born in Colchester...went to school there and even ran a subterranean arts club called "La Palette". Reading all the comments I have been alerted to the TV prog "Bouncers"...which I had never heard of before and have just watched.... I do remember the series "Squaddie Town" . What the programme shows are some bouncers ... or doorstaff...acting illegally and stoking up adrenalin.....probab
ly with the support of the local police.

I live in Westminster where everything is very polite..(especially the doorstaff)...so it makes a welcome change to be able to come to Colchester, get totally mashed with the added excitement of possibly getting my head kicked in. I am a 63 year old who loves to hip-hop!

Watching the TV programme reminded me of how much of a flashpoint the town is. Many is the time I have been out on the streets of Colchester for some gang of drunken chaps to take it upon themselves to decide I am some kind of unsavoury character because of my age or even just my demeanour. What I am saying is that "difference" can make somebody a target anywhere...whether a boy with learning difficulties or a Muslim. However, the odds of it happening in Colchester are much higher than some other places.

If I was in London and this happened the Met would be there within seconds...displaying zero tolerance towards whoever was displaying such aggressive attitudes towards me. It wouldn't even get to violence because here the police do their job properly and make us all feel safe!.... even antiquated hip-hoppers.

Colchester is severely under policed and the police Colchester has got reflects the culture in which they have to operate! Colchester police will never get up to a zero tolerance speed because for some reason they are either unable or unwilling...or too understaffed!

I have met some of your local counsellors and the problems start there!

Notwithstanding, the town is full of friendly and lovely people...even the inebriated misbehaved have a spirit about them impossible to find in the rarefied atmosphere of Westminster. A few over excitable individuals is nothing serious....except when the canteen culture of an entire town starts to become intolerant of "difference"! Live and let live!
I was born in Colchester...went to school there and even ran a subterranean arts club called "La Palette". Reading all the comments I have been alerted to the TV prog "Bouncers"...which I had never heard of before and have just watched.... I do remember the series "Squaddie Town" . What the programme shows are some bouncers ... or doorstaff...acting illegally and stoking up adrenalin.....probab ly with the support of the local police. I live in Westminster where everything is very polite..(especially the doorstaff)...so it makes a welcome change to be able to come to Colchester, get totally mashed with the added excitement of possibly getting my head kicked in. I am a 63 year old who loves to hip-hop! Watching the TV programme reminded me of how much of a flashpoint the town is. Many is the time I have been out on the streets of Colchester for some gang of drunken chaps to take it upon themselves to decide I am some kind of unsavoury character because of my age or even just my demeanour. What I am saying is that "difference" can make somebody a target anywhere...whether a boy with learning difficulties or a Muslim. However, the odds of it happening in Colchester are much higher than some other places. If I was in London and this happened the Met would be there within seconds...displaying zero tolerance towards whoever was displaying such aggressive attitudes towards me. It wouldn't even get to violence because here the police do their job properly and make us all feel safe!.... even antiquated hip-hoppers. Colchester is severely under policed and the police Colchester has got reflects the culture in which they have to operate! Colchester police will never get up to a zero tolerance speed because for some reason they are either unable or unwilling...or too understaffed! I have met some of your local counsellors and the problems start there! Notwithstanding, the town is full of friendly and lovely people...even the inebriated misbehaved have a spirit about them impossible to find in the rarefied atmosphere of Westminster. A few over excitable individuals is nothing serious....except when the canteen culture of an entire town starts to become intolerant of "difference"! Live and let live! szandor
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11:17pm Fri 20 Jun 14

WW says...

colchestergirl84 wrote:
WW wrote:
colchestergirl84 wrote:
Is anyone else slightly concerned that 2 people on this thread have mentioned they have been attacked this week?? Are these incidents in the same area of Town? What is going on in Colchester?
I'm still waiting for statements to be taken regarding Monday evening's events. Doubt I'll hear from them as they are too tied up with the more important matter at hand.
I got away with bruises and grazes, unlike that poor poor woman. I live approx half - three quarters of a mile from where this happened.

R.I.P Nahid x
Please do not feel like I am criticising you WW as I'm not nor am I down playing the importance of this situation. All I am saying is that they "MIGHT BE" related. I feel that your incident is important and could of had a very different outcome........
Didn't think you were.
Given what happened last night and today's second arrest. I rang 101 for an update. I was 1 of 17 at lunch waiting to get through and at 6pm. I would be 1 of 59.... I will be called back this week apparently.
Given I'm in the middle of both areas, I'm wary...
[quote][p][bold]colchestergirl84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WW[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colchestergirl84[/bold] wrote: Is anyone else slightly concerned that 2 people on this thread have mentioned they have been attacked this week?? Are these incidents in the same area of Town? What is going on in Colchester?[/p][/quote]I'm still waiting for statements to be taken regarding Monday evening's events. Doubt I'll hear from them as they are too tied up with the more important matter at hand. I got away with bruises and grazes, unlike that poor poor woman. I live approx half - three quarters of a mile from where this happened. R.I.P Nahid x[/p][/quote]Please do not feel like I am criticising you WW as I'm not nor am I down playing the importance of this situation. All I am saying is that they "MIGHT BE" related. I feel that your incident is important and could of had a very different outcome........[/p][/quote]Didn't think you were. Given what happened last night and today's second arrest. I rang 101 for an update. I was 1 of 17 at lunch waiting to get through and at 6pm. I would be 1 of 59.... I will be called back this week apparently. Given I'm in the middle of both areas, I'm wary... WW
  • Score: 0

9:12am Sat 21 Jun 14

co2 says...

Well the 19 year old released and cleared of any connection to either the murder or the attack on the jogger,so in Colchester we still have at least one maniac on the loose,someone must have suspicions,time for everyone to rally round and help the police.
Well the 19 year old released and cleared of any connection to either the murder or the attack on the jogger,so in Colchester we still have at least one maniac on the loose,someone must have suspicions,time for everyone to rally round and help the police. co2
  • Score: 7

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