Fears over new changes to free school dinners

Gazette: Fears over new changes to free school dinners Fears over new changes to free school dinners

SCHOOLS across Essex could see a drop in funding, as the system used to identify children from lowincome homes is set to change.

Government grant, pupil premium is allocated to schools with students from disadvantaged backgrounds, and is aimed at bridging the gap between them and their classmates.

The cash allocation is based on which children receive free school meals.

But from September, a new scheme will see all infant school pupils given a free meal, regardless of household income.

This means disadvantaged children will not be automatically signed up for the premium and parents will have to apply independently.

Some schools are concerned this will mean they lose out on the vital pupil premium cash, if parents do not apply.

Read the full story in today's Gazette.

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3:03pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Jack222 says...

Why do they have to have cooked meals? What's wrong with rolls / sandwiches at lunch?
Why do they have to have cooked meals? What's wrong with rolls / sandwiches at lunch? Jack222
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4:34pm Mon 16 Jun 14

jut1972 says...

Jack222 wrote:
Why do they have to have cooked meals? What's wrong with rolls / sandwiches at lunch?
Because for some kids it's the only hot meal they'll get.
[quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: Why do they have to have cooked meals? What's wrong with rolls / sandwiches at lunch?[/p][/quote]Because for some kids it's the only hot meal they'll get. jut1972
  • Score: 12

11:42pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Reginald47 says...

How mealy mouthed. All infants will get a free school lunch and some people still insist on whinging about it.
How mealy mouthed. All infants will get a free school lunch and some people still insist on whinging about it. Reginald47
  • Score: 3

9:09am Tue 17 Jun 14

Ritchie_Hicks says...

This scheme (which I support in terms of an idea) has been very poorly thought through by Nick Clegg and his advisors. Most primary school headteachers agree.

Many schools already struggle for space and some have turned parts of their kitchen areas into classrooms. The amount of money provided in the budget for this scheme doesn't go far enough to allow schools to properly impliment it.

There is also the issue of timing. Many schools will have to extend lunch periods to serve the extra children eating school meals which will require more midday assistants at an increased cost to the school.

As I say, I support the scheme in essence and it's important that every child has at least one good quality meal a day, but it hasn't been given anywhere as much of a financial kick-start as it should have.
This scheme (which I support in terms of an idea) has been very poorly thought through by Nick Clegg and his advisors. Most primary school headteachers agree. Many schools already struggle for space and some have turned parts of their kitchen areas into classrooms. The amount of money provided in the budget for this scheme doesn't go far enough to allow schools to properly impliment it. There is also the issue of timing. Many schools will have to extend lunch periods to serve the extra children eating school meals which will require more midday assistants at an increased cost to the school. As I say, I support the scheme in essence and it's important that every child has at least one good quality meal a day, but it hasn't been given anywhere as much of a financial kick-start as it should have. Ritchie_Hicks
  • Score: 4

11:49am Tue 17 Jun 14

Arthur Fonzarelli says...

jut1972 wrote:
Jack222 wrote:
Why do they have to have cooked meals? What's wrong with rolls / sandwiches at lunch?
Because for some kids it's the only hot meal they'll get.
...and that is the problem .

Customer A feeding a family of 4 at the shop checkout buys a fresh chicken, potatoes, vegetables a desert and some fruit for under a tenner. Being careful because school dinners for next week will cost nearly £30. This family have already got rid of extras like subscription TV and take away meals but it is a real struggle.

Customer B feeding a family of 6 at the shop checkout buys a packet of cigs, a selection of scratch cards, a big bag of crisps and a cheap loaf of bread. Being careful not to spend to much because mum and dad can get a kebab with what is left with no worries about paying for next weeks school dinners because they get it for free being that they are a disadvantaged family and all that. The only real concern is that the benefits keep rolling in and that they are not waiting too long for the kebabs because they want to catch that film on Sky Movies.

This is England 2014.
[quote][p][bold]jut1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: Why do they have to have cooked meals? What's wrong with rolls / sandwiches at lunch?[/p][/quote]Because for some kids it's the only hot meal they'll get.[/p][/quote]...and that is the problem . Customer A feeding a family of 4 at the shop checkout buys a fresh chicken, potatoes, vegetables a desert and some fruit for under a tenner. Being careful because school dinners for next week will cost nearly £30. This family have already got rid of extras like subscription TV and take away meals but it is a real struggle. Customer B feeding a family of 6 at the shop checkout buys a packet of cigs, a selection of scratch cards, a big bag of crisps and a cheap loaf of bread. Being careful not to spend to much because mum and dad can get a kebab with what is left with no worries about paying for next weeks school dinners because they get it for free being that they are a disadvantaged family and all that. The only real concern is that the benefits keep rolling in and that they are not waiting too long for the kebabs because they want to catch that film on Sky Movies. This is England 2014. Arthur Fonzarelli
  • Score: 5

1:03pm Tue 17 Jun 14

wearebeingwatched says...

Arthur Fonzarelli wrote:
jut1972 wrote:
Jack222 wrote:
Why do they have to have cooked meals? What's wrong with rolls / sandwiches at lunch?
Because for some kids it's the only hot meal they'll get.
...and that is the problem .

Customer A feeding a family of 4 at the shop checkout buys a fresh chicken, potatoes, vegetables a desert and some fruit for under a tenner. Being careful because school dinners for next week will cost nearly £30. This family have already got rid of extras like subscription TV and take away meals but it is a real struggle.

Customer B feeding a family of 6 at the shop checkout buys a packet of cigs, a selection of scratch cards, a big bag of crisps and a cheap loaf of bread. Being careful not to spend to much because mum and dad can get a kebab with what is left with no worries about paying for next weeks school dinners because they get it for free being that they are a disadvantaged family and all that. The only real concern is that the benefits keep rolling in and that they are not waiting too long for the kebabs because they want to catch that film on Sky Movies.

This is England 2014.
That is a very bigoted view and yes there is a small minority that fit into customer B. BUT there are plenty genuinely who cannot afford through not fault of their own to give their kids a hot meal everyday, with plenty going without food themselves to ensure their kids get something. A lot of these people when they had the children were able to feed, house and cloth these kids but unfortunately the economy over the last few years means they have lost jobs and benefits.
[quote][p][bold]Arthur Fonzarelli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jut1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: Why do they have to have cooked meals? What's wrong with rolls / sandwiches at lunch?[/p][/quote]Because for some kids it's the only hot meal they'll get.[/p][/quote]...and that is the problem . Customer A feeding a family of 4 at the shop checkout buys a fresh chicken, potatoes, vegetables a desert and some fruit for under a tenner. Being careful because school dinners for next week will cost nearly £30. This family have already got rid of extras like subscription TV and take away meals but it is a real struggle. Customer B feeding a family of 6 at the shop checkout buys a packet of cigs, a selection of scratch cards, a big bag of crisps and a cheap loaf of bread. Being careful not to spend to much because mum and dad can get a kebab with what is left with no worries about paying for next weeks school dinners because they get it for free being that they are a disadvantaged family and all that. The only real concern is that the benefits keep rolling in and that they are not waiting too long for the kebabs because they want to catch that film on Sky Movies. This is England 2014.[/p][/quote]That is a very bigoted view and yes there is a small minority that fit into customer B. BUT there are plenty genuinely who cannot afford through not fault of their own to give their kids a hot meal everyday, with plenty going without food themselves to ensure their kids get something. A lot of these people when they had the children were able to feed, house and cloth these kids but unfortunately the economy over the last few years means they have lost jobs and benefits. wearebeingwatched
  • Score: 2

1:34pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Ritchie_Hicks says...

wearebeingwatched wrote:
Arthur Fonzarelli wrote:
jut1972 wrote:
Jack222 wrote:
Why do they have to have cooked meals? What's wrong with rolls / sandwiches at lunch?
Because for some kids it's the only hot meal they'll get.
...and that is the problem .

Customer A feeding a family of 4 at the shop checkout buys a fresh chicken, potatoes, vegetables a desert and some fruit for under a tenner. Being careful because school dinners for next week will cost nearly £30. This family have already got rid of extras like subscription TV and take away meals but it is a real struggle.

Customer B feeding a family of 6 at the shop checkout buys a packet of cigs, a selection of scratch cards, a big bag of crisps and a cheap loaf of bread. Being careful not to spend to much because mum and dad can get a kebab with what is left with no worries about paying for next weeks school dinners because they get it for free being that they are a disadvantaged family and all that. The only real concern is that the benefits keep rolling in and that they are not waiting too long for the kebabs because they want to catch that film on Sky Movies.

This is England 2014.
That is a very bigoted view and yes there is a small minority that fit into customer B. BUT there are plenty genuinely who cannot afford through not fault of their own to give their kids a hot meal everyday, with plenty going without food themselves to ensure their kids get something. A lot of these people when they had the children were able to feed, house and cloth these kids but unfortunately the economy over the last few years means they have lost jobs and benefits.
Yes!

And there are people, single parents and couples, who work very hard but still struggle to keep their head above water.
[quote][p][bold]wearebeingwatched[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arthur Fonzarelli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jut1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: Why do they have to have cooked meals? What's wrong with rolls / sandwiches at lunch?[/p][/quote]Because for some kids it's the only hot meal they'll get.[/p][/quote]...and that is the problem . Customer A feeding a family of 4 at the shop checkout buys a fresh chicken, potatoes, vegetables a desert and some fruit for under a tenner. Being careful because school dinners for next week will cost nearly £30. This family have already got rid of extras like subscription TV and take away meals but it is a real struggle. Customer B feeding a family of 6 at the shop checkout buys a packet of cigs, a selection of scratch cards, a big bag of crisps and a cheap loaf of bread. Being careful not to spend to much because mum and dad can get a kebab with what is left with no worries about paying for next weeks school dinners because they get it for free being that they are a disadvantaged family and all that. The only real concern is that the benefits keep rolling in and that they are not waiting too long for the kebabs because they want to catch that film on Sky Movies. This is England 2014.[/p][/quote]That is a very bigoted view and yes there is a small minority that fit into customer B. BUT there are plenty genuinely who cannot afford through not fault of their own to give their kids a hot meal everyday, with plenty going without food themselves to ensure their kids get something. A lot of these people when they had the children were able to feed, house and cloth these kids but unfortunately the economy over the last few years means they have lost jobs and benefits.[/p][/quote]Yes! And there are people, single parents and couples, who work very hard but still struggle to keep their head above water. Ritchie_Hicks
  • Score: 4

2:45pm Tue 17 Jun 14

romantic says...

Arthur Fonzarelli wrote:
jut1972 wrote:
Jack222 wrote:
Why do they have to have cooked meals? What's wrong with rolls / sandwiches at lunch?
Because for some kids it's the only hot meal they'll get.
...and that is the problem .

Customer A feeding a family of 4 at the shop checkout buys a fresh chicken, potatoes, vegetables a desert and some fruit for under a tenner. Being careful because school dinners for next week will cost nearly £30. This family have already got rid of extras like subscription TV and take away meals but it is a real struggle.

Customer B feeding a family of 6 at the shop checkout buys a packet of cigs, a selection of scratch cards, a big bag of crisps and a cheap loaf of bread. Being careful not to spend to much because mum and dad can get a kebab with what is left with no worries about paying for next weeks school dinners because they get it for free being that they are a disadvantaged family and all that. The only real concern is that the benefits keep rolling in and that they are not waiting too long for the kebabs because they want to catch that film on Sky Movies.

This is England 2014.
And you know these people, do you? You assume that every kid on free school meals comes from a home like that? This is the tabloid stereotype rolled out by the Daily Mail every few days, but it's not the norm. There are many working and non-working families who struggle to put healthy food on the table, not because they blow it all on fags and chips, but because it's tough out there.

If kids are hungry at school, they will not concentrate as well. In countries where education is valued, proper funding is put in to make sure that every schoolkid eats properly at least once a day. An educated child has a far better chance of escaping poverty.

If the kids are born to a family like your "Customer B", it's not actually the fault of the kids! They don't get to choose their parents.

I think the idea of a cooked meal at school is an excellent one. When I was at school in the 70s, we had a meal at school every day, and I think almost every kid did so. If funding is there to bail out bankers and fight mad wars, it shows our skewed priorities as a nation that we're not prepared to do such a simple thing as make sure our kids are properly fed.
[quote][p][bold]Arthur Fonzarelli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jut1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: Why do they have to have cooked meals? What's wrong with rolls / sandwiches at lunch?[/p][/quote]Because for some kids it's the only hot meal they'll get.[/p][/quote]...and that is the problem . Customer A feeding a family of 4 at the shop checkout buys a fresh chicken, potatoes, vegetables a desert and some fruit for under a tenner. Being careful because school dinners for next week will cost nearly £30. This family have already got rid of extras like subscription TV and take away meals but it is a real struggle. Customer B feeding a family of 6 at the shop checkout buys a packet of cigs, a selection of scratch cards, a big bag of crisps and a cheap loaf of bread. Being careful not to spend to much because mum and dad can get a kebab with what is left with no worries about paying for next weeks school dinners because they get it for free being that they are a disadvantaged family and all that. The only real concern is that the benefits keep rolling in and that they are not waiting too long for the kebabs because they want to catch that film on Sky Movies. This is England 2014.[/p][/quote]And you know these people, do you? You assume that every kid on free school meals comes from a home like that? This is the tabloid stereotype rolled out by the Daily Mail every few days, but it's not the norm. There are many working and non-working families who struggle to put healthy food on the table, not because they blow it all on fags and chips, but because it's tough out there. If kids are hungry at school, they will not concentrate as well. In countries where education is valued, proper funding is put in to make sure that every schoolkid eats properly at least once a day. An educated child has a far better chance of escaping poverty. If the kids are born to a family like your "Customer B", it's not actually the fault of the kids! They don't get to choose their parents. I think the idea of a cooked meal at school is an excellent one. When I was at school in the 70s, we had a meal at school every day, and I think almost every kid did so. If funding is there to bail out bankers and fight mad wars, it shows our skewed priorities as a nation that we're not prepared to do such a simple thing as make sure our kids are properly fed. romantic
  • Score: 3

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