VIDEO: Protests at EDL wreath laying service today

Protesters have been gathering at the site since before 11am

Protesters have been gathering at the site since before 11am

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MEMBERS of the English Defence League met in Colchester today to lay a wreath and hold a minute silence to mark the first anniversary of the murder of soldier Lee Rigby.

Anti-fascists, who claim the EDL are using his death for political gain, also attended to voice their opposition to the group.

The wreath laying took place at the war memorial outside Castle Park at midday.

See tomorrow's Gazette for the full story

Gazette:

There was a high police presence in the town ahead of the event and protesters have been gathering at the site since before 11am.

Last year about 60 members of the EDL clashed with 150 protesters near the war memorial.

Gazette:

                                   A picture from last year's clash

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12:17pm Thu 22 May 14

The-Professionals says...

Its what goes on in other parts of the town which will be worrying, Im sure the Police will handle it.
Its what goes on in other parts of the town which will be worrying, Im sure the Police will handle it. The-Professionals
  • Score: 13

12:36pm Thu 22 May 14

mike... says...

The irony of course is that these ridiculous so called "anti-fascists" are behaving in a fascist way themselves but i doubt any of them have the intelligence to understand that.

The memorial is there to honour the dead that fought to preserve free speech. You don't have to agree with what is being said, but you HAVE to respect their right to say it.

For the police to allow the "anti-fascists" to hang a banner from the memorial is. in my opinion, an affront to everything it stands for. Shame on them.
The irony of course is that these ridiculous so called "anti-fascists" are behaving in a fascist way themselves but i doubt any of them have the intelligence to understand that. The memorial is there to honour the dead that fought to preserve free speech. You don't have to agree with what is being said, but you HAVE to respect their right to say it. For the police to allow the "anti-fascists" to hang a banner from the memorial is. in my opinion, an affront to everything it stands for. Shame on them. mike...
  • Score: 89

12:37pm Thu 22 May 14

Jack222 says...

Good on the anti-fascists.

EDL are nasty thugs.
Good on the anti-fascists. EDL are nasty thugs. Jack222
  • Score: -84

12:50pm Thu 22 May 14

dan_adams says...

Top respect for edl !!
Top respect for edl !! dan_adams
  • Score: 44

12:55pm Thu 22 May 14

Scoot says...

Mike - I am in total agreement with you. The Police have set a precedent now. Come 11 November I bet every loony politico will be lining up to place a banner on the memorial rather than respecting what it is there for so the nation can respect and remember all those that have made the ultimate sacrifice for their country.
Mike - I am in total agreement with you. The Police have set a precedent now. Come 11 November I bet every loony politico will be lining up to place a banner on the memorial rather than respecting what it is there for so the nation can respect and remember all those that have made the ultimate sacrifice for their country. Scoot
  • Score: 38

1:02pm Thu 22 May 14

Mark Goacher says...

The police were simply allowing both sides to have their say. The EDL got to place their wreath and the anti-EDL group got to display their banner. Not a problem surely. The anti-EDL banner did not contain any language disrespectful to our soldiers or war dead. It was about allowing both sides to have their say.
The police were simply allowing both sides to have their say. The EDL got to place their wreath and the anti-EDL group got to display their banner. Not a problem surely. The anti-EDL banner did not contain any language disrespectful to our soldiers or war dead. It was about allowing both sides to have their say. Mark Goacher
  • Score: -34

1:06pm Thu 22 May 14

mike... says...

Scoot - even more ironical that the "anti-fascists" were there supposedly to protest against the EDL using this event to make a political statement. What more politically motivated statement can you make than hanging a banner saying "STOP THE EDL" from a war memorial?

I am sure both groups have concerns that they want to voice but it is the anti-fascists today that desocrated a war memorial and turned a one minute's silence to remember a murdered soldier into a farce.

They should be ashamed.
Scoot - even more ironical that the "anti-fascists" were there supposedly to protest against the EDL using this event to make a political statement. What more politically motivated statement can you make than hanging a banner saying "STOP THE EDL" from a war memorial? I am sure both groups have concerns that they want to voice but it is the anti-fascists today that desocrated a war memorial and turned a one minute's silence to remember a murdered soldier into a farce. They should be ashamed. mike...
  • Score: 56

1:17pm Thu 22 May 14

Shaneblackdarkknight says...

Jack222 wrote:
Good on the anti-fascists.

EDL are nasty thugs.
Idiot ,, there as bad if not worse !
[quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: Good on the anti-fascists. EDL are nasty thugs.[/p][/quote]Idiot ,, there as bad if not worse ! Shaneblackdarkknight
  • Score: 5

1:41pm Thu 22 May 14

thecapedcrusader69 says...

What a complete role reversal! The EDL acting with respect and the so called 'anti-fascists' shouting like a bunch of larger louts.

Credit where credit is due the EDL have been very well behaved, good for them.
What a complete role reversal! The EDL acting with respect and the so called 'anti-fascists' shouting like a bunch of larger louts. Credit where credit is due the EDL have been very well behaved, good for them. thecapedcrusader69
  • Score: 62

2:40pm Thu 22 May 14

angryman!!! says...

The only good thing to see was how small both numbers supporting these two extremist groups was. Every decent member of Colchester was probably at work, and will show their respects like the family would have wanted away from any political organisation.
The only good thing to see was how small both numbers supporting these two extremist groups was. Every decent member of Colchester was probably at work, and will show their respects like the family would have wanted away from any political organisation. angryman!!!
  • Score: 11

3:29pm Thu 22 May 14

super waluigi says...

What a load of nonsense. Typical press like the daily gazette giving coverage to such awful people like EDL or even the protesters just encourages people to take sides and get involved in things like this.
If there was no story, or coverage to this, then there would only be 3 EDL members and 5 protesters attending.
What a load of nonsense. Typical press like the daily gazette giving coverage to such awful people like EDL or even the protesters just encourages people to take sides and get involved in things like this. If there was no story, or coverage to this, then there would only be 3 EDL members and 5 protesters attending. super waluigi
  • Score: -32

4:52pm Thu 22 May 14

sandgrounder 1 says...

super waluigi wrote:
What a load of nonsense. Typical press like the daily gazette giving coverage to such awful people like EDL or even the protesters just encourages people to take sides and get involved in things like this.
If there was no story, or coverage to this, then there would only be 3 EDL members and 5 protesters attending.
Believe there wasn't many of each group .
To be honest I thought there was more police
Waste of police funds it was a joke
If there was that many police on the beat on a weekend we would feel safe again
Also the EDL did show respect more thean the good old tree huggers think most of them had just got out there tree houses had there spliff and took a walk down
I'm one angry Tax payer
Joke
[quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: What a load of nonsense. Typical press like the daily gazette giving coverage to such awful people like EDL or even the protesters just encourages people to take sides and get involved in things like this. If there was no story, or coverage to this, then there would only be 3 EDL members and 5 protesters attending.[/p][/quote]Believe there wasn't many of each group . To be honest I thought there was more police Waste of police funds it was a joke If there was that many police on the beat on a weekend we would feel safe again Also the EDL did show respect more thean the good old tree huggers think most of them had just got out there tree houses had there spliff and took a walk down I'm one angry Tax payer Joke sandgrounder 1
  • Score: 20

5:12pm Thu 22 May 14

blockpaver says...

A well managed event: each side had its say; they were well segregated so no violence. Well managed by the Police without fear or favour, I think that the Police deserve a pat on the back.
A well managed event: each side had its say; they were well segregated so no violence. Well managed by the Police without fear or favour, I think that the Police deserve a pat on the back. blockpaver
  • Score: 0

5:22pm Thu 22 May 14

ian1977 says...

The EDL were fantastic today, turned up, done what they had to do and left, peacefully, showing respect to a fallen hero, it was the dirty unwashed antifa that disrupted a mark of respect and defaced a war memorial just to shout about something, shame on them!!! RIP lee Rigby.
The EDL were fantastic today, turned up, done what they had to do and left, peacefully, showing respect to a fallen hero, it was the dirty unwashed antifa that disrupted a mark of respect and defaced a war memorial just to shout about something, shame on them!!! RIP lee Rigby. ian1977
  • Score: 44

5:26pm Thu 22 May 14

barber T says...

The edl was the only ones who showed respect today and it was the anti fascest who showed disrespect
The edl was the only ones who showed respect today and it was the anti fascest who showed disrespect barber T
  • Score: 38

5:51pm Thu 22 May 14

shoegays says...

Its disgraceful what the EDL did today, they should show some respect for Lee Rigby's family, they have stated a number of times they want nothing to do with the EDL and Britain First and their likes, yet they still keep trying to hijack his death and turn him into a far right martyr, show some respect and leave the poor family alone. Vile people.

Well done to those who turned up to demonstrate, if I could I would have joined you.
Its disgraceful what the EDL did today, they should show some respect for Lee Rigby's family, they have stated a number of times they want nothing to do with the EDL and Britain First and their likes, yet they still keep trying to hijack his death and turn him into a far right martyr, show some respect and leave the poor family alone. Vile people. Well done to those who turned up to demonstrate, if I could I would have joined you. shoegays
  • Score: -39

6:12pm Thu 22 May 14

mike... says...

shoegays wrote:
Its disgraceful what the EDL did today, they should show some respect for Lee Rigby's family, they have stated a number of times they want nothing to do with the EDL and Britain First and their likes, yet they still keep trying to hijack his death and turn him into a far right martyr, show some respect and leave the poor family alone. Vile people.

Well done to those who turned up to demonstrate, if I could I would have joined you.
You're entitled to your view. You're wrong…but you're entitled to it nonetheless.

EDL disgraceful? A respectful one minute's silence and the laying of a wreath - yeah, shocking.

It was the other lot that showed disrespect. Desecrating a war memorial and chanting and baying like a pack of wild animals. There was no need for it, they could have held a silent protest. What right to they have to chant 'off our streets' - they're not your streets, they're everybody's streets.

EDL seemed to have grown up.

Anti-fascists/Hope not Hate or whatever they're called these days - same old ignorance and prejudice.
[quote][p][bold]shoegays[/bold] wrote: Its disgraceful what the EDL did today, they should show some respect for Lee Rigby's family, they have stated a number of times they want nothing to do with the EDL and Britain First and their likes, yet they still keep trying to hijack his death and turn him into a far right martyr, show some respect and leave the poor family alone. Vile people. Well done to those who turned up to demonstrate, if I could I would have joined you.[/p][/quote]You're entitled to your view. You're wrong…but you're entitled to it nonetheless. EDL disgraceful? A respectful one minute's silence and the laying of a wreath - yeah, shocking. It was the other lot that showed disrespect. Desecrating a war memorial and chanting and baying like a pack of wild animals. There was no need for it, they could have held a silent protest. What right to they have to chant 'off our streets' - they're not your streets, they're everybody's streets. EDL seemed to have grown up. Anti-fascists/Hope not Hate or whatever they're called these days - same old ignorance and prejudice. mike...
  • Score: 40

6:25pm Thu 22 May 14

shoegays says...

mike... wrote:
shoegays wrote:
Its disgraceful what the EDL did today, they should show some respect for Lee Rigby's family, they have stated a number of times they want nothing to do with the EDL and Britain First and their likes, yet they still keep trying to hijack his death and turn him into a far right martyr, show some respect and leave the poor family alone. Vile people.

Well done to those who turned up to demonstrate, if I could I would have joined you.
You're entitled to your view. You're wrong…but you're entitled to it nonetheless.

EDL disgraceful? A respectful one minute's silence and the laying of a wreath - yeah, shocking.

It was the other lot that showed disrespect. Desecrating a war memorial and chanting and baying like a pack of wild animals. There was no need for it, they could have held a silent protest. What right to they have to chant 'off our streets' - they're not your streets, they're everybody's streets.

EDL seemed to have grown up.

Anti-fascists/Hope not Hate or whatever they're called these days - same old ignorance and prejudice.
Yes absolutely disgraceful. Try to have some contextual and wider insight into why EDL were doing it, don't be naive.

Antifa showed no disrespect at all they were there to show respect to Lee Rigby and try and stop a fascist organization use his name to further their cause, despite his family stating he, and themselves, would never support their views.

I hope someone has removed EDL's wreath from the memorial, disrespecting a memorial to those who lost their lives fighting against people like them and their views.

At least their numbers are dwindling with every 'demo' they hold.
[quote][p][bold]mike...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shoegays[/bold] wrote: Its disgraceful what the EDL did today, they should show some respect for Lee Rigby's family, they have stated a number of times they want nothing to do with the EDL and Britain First and their likes, yet they still keep trying to hijack his death and turn him into a far right martyr, show some respect and leave the poor family alone. Vile people. Well done to those who turned up to demonstrate, if I could I would have joined you.[/p][/quote]You're entitled to your view. You're wrong…but you're entitled to it nonetheless. EDL disgraceful? A respectful one minute's silence and the laying of a wreath - yeah, shocking. It was the other lot that showed disrespect. Desecrating a war memorial and chanting and baying like a pack of wild animals. There was no need for it, they could have held a silent protest. What right to they have to chant 'off our streets' - they're not your streets, they're everybody's streets. EDL seemed to have grown up. Anti-fascists/Hope not Hate or whatever they're called these days - same old ignorance and prejudice.[/p][/quote]Yes absolutely disgraceful. Try to have some contextual and wider insight into why EDL were doing it, don't be naive. Antifa showed no disrespect at all they were there to show respect to Lee Rigby and try and stop a fascist organization use his name to further their cause, despite his family stating he, and themselves, would never support their views. I hope someone has removed EDL's wreath from the memorial, disrespecting a memorial to those who lost their lives fighting against people like them and their views. At least their numbers are dwindling with every 'demo' they hold. shoegays
  • Score: -35

6:29pm Thu 22 May 14

mike... says...

shoegays wrote:
mike... wrote:
shoegays wrote:
Its disgraceful what the EDL did today, they should show some respect for Lee Rigby's family, they have stated a number of times they want nothing to do with the EDL and Britain First and their likes, yet they still keep trying to hijack his death and turn him into a far right martyr, show some respect and leave the poor family alone. Vile people.

Well done to those who turned up to demonstrate, if I could I would have joined you.
You're entitled to your view. You're wrong…but you're entitled to it nonetheless.

EDL disgraceful? A respectful one minute's silence and the laying of a wreath - yeah, shocking.

It was the other lot that showed disrespect. Desecrating a war memorial and chanting and baying like a pack of wild animals. There was no need for it, they could have held a silent protest. What right to they have to chant 'off our streets' - they're not your streets, they're everybody's streets.

EDL seemed to have grown up.

Anti-fascists/Hope not Hate or whatever they're called these days - same old ignorance and prejudice.
Yes absolutely disgraceful. Try to have some contextual and wider insight into why EDL were doing it, don't be naive.

Antifa showed no disrespect at all they were there to show respect to Lee Rigby and try and stop a fascist organization use his name to further their cause, despite his family stating he, and themselves, would never support their views.

I hope someone has removed EDL's wreath from the memorial, disrespecting a memorial to those who lost their lives fighting against people like them and their views.

At least their numbers are dwindling with every 'demo' they hold.
Seriously - go and look up what the term "fascist" means.

It's clear that neither you nor the 'anti-fascists' on show today have the remotest idea.

You throw the word at people you disagree with hoping that the prejudice sticks. All too often it does. Today, it didn't.
[quote][p][bold]shoegays[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shoegays[/bold] wrote: Its disgraceful what the EDL did today, they should show some respect for Lee Rigby's family, they have stated a number of times they want nothing to do with the EDL and Britain First and their likes, yet they still keep trying to hijack his death and turn him into a far right martyr, show some respect and leave the poor family alone. Vile people. Well done to those who turned up to demonstrate, if I could I would have joined you.[/p][/quote]You're entitled to your view. You're wrong…but you're entitled to it nonetheless. EDL disgraceful? A respectful one minute's silence and the laying of a wreath - yeah, shocking. It was the other lot that showed disrespect. Desecrating a war memorial and chanting and baying like a pack of wild animals. There was no need for it, they could have held a silent protest. What right to they have to chant 'off our streets' - they're not your streets, they're everybody's streets. EDL seemed to have grown up. Anti-fascists/Hope not Hate or whatever they're called these days - same old ignorance and prejudice.[/p][/quote]Yes absolutely disgraceful. Try to have some contextual and wider insight into why EDL were doing it, don't be naive. Antifa showed no disrespect at all they were there to show respect to Lee Rigby and try and stop a fascist organization use his name to further their cause, despite his family stating he, and themselves, would never support their views. I hope someone has removed EDL's wreath from the memorial, disrespecting a memorial to those who lost their lives fighting against people like them and their views. At least their numbers are dwindling with every 'demo' they hold.[/p][/quote]Seriously - go and look up what the term "fascist" means. It's clear that neither you nor the 'anti-fascists' on show today have the remotest idea. You throw the word at people you disagree with hoping that the prejudice sticks. All too often it does. Today, it didn't. mike...
  • Score: 30

6:35pm Thu 22 May 14

shoegays says...

mike... wrote:
shoegays wrote:
mike... wrote:
shoegays wrote:
Its disgraceful what the EDL did today, they should show some respect for Lee Rigby's family, they have stated a number of times they want nothing to do with the EDL and Britain First and their likes, yet they still keep trying to hijack his death and turn him into a far right martyr, show some respect and leave the poor family alone. Vile people.

Well done to those who turned up to demonstrate, if I could I would have joined you.
You're entitled to your view. You're wrong…but you're entitled to it nonetheless.

EDL disgraceful? A respectful one minute's silence and the laying of a wreath - yeah, shocking.

It was the other lot that showed disrespect. Desecrating a war memorial and chanting and baying like a pack of wild animals. There was no need for it, they could have held a silent protest. What right to they have to chant 'off our streets' - they're not your streets, they're everybody's streets.

EDL seemed to have grown up.

Anti-fascists/Hope not Hate or whatever they're called these days - same old ignorance and prejudice.
Yes absolutely disgraceful. Try to have some contextual and wider insight into why EDL were doing it, don't be naive.

Antifa showed no disrespect at all they were there to show respect to Lee Rigby and try and stop a fascist organization use his name to further their cause, despite his family stating he, and themselves, would never support their views.

I hope someone has removed EDL's wreath from the memorial, disrespecting a memorial to those who lost their lives fighting against people like them and their views.

At least their numbers are dwindling with every 'demo' they hold.
Seriously - go and look up what the term "fascist" means.

It's clear that neither you nor the 'anti-fascists' on show today have the remotest idea.

You throw the word at people you disagree with hoping that the prejudice sticks. All too often it does. Today, it didn't.
I'm perfectly fine with using the term fascist to describe them thanks.

A quote by McKenzie Wark is useful here; ‘Fascism is just really that political operation where someone is telling you: “I can make you feel good about yourself by making someone else suffer.”’ It has, as a consistent marker, the tendency to persecute minorities in order to ‘solve’ the problems of the majority.

Sound familiar to their views.
[quote][p][bold]mike...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shoegays[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shoegays[/bold] wrote: Its disgraceful what the EDL did today, they should show some respect for Lee Rigby's family, they have stated a number of times they want nothing to do with the EDL and Britain First and their likes, yet they still keep trying to hijack his death and turn him into a far right martyr, show some respect and leave the poor family alone. Vile people. Well done to those who turned up to demonstrate, if I could I would have joined you.[/p][/quote]You're entitled to your view. You're wrong…but you're entitled to it nonetheless. EDL disgraceful? A respectful one minute's silence and the laying of a wreath - yeah, shocking. It was the other lot that showed disrespect. Desecrating a war memorial and chanting and baying like a pack of wild animals. There was no need for it, they could have held a silent protest. What right to they have to chant 'off our streets' - they're not your streets, they're everybody's streets. EDL seemed to have grown up. Anti-fascists/Hope not Hate or whatever they're called these days - same old ignorance and prejudice.[/p][/quote]Yes absolutely disgraceful. Try to have some contextual and wider insight into why EDL were doing it, don't be naive. Antifa showed no disrespect at all they were there to show respect to Lee Rigby and try and stop a fascist organization use his name to further their cause, despite his family stating he, and themselves, would never support their views. I hope someone has removed EDL's wreath from the memorial, disrespecting a memorial to those who lost their lives fighting against people like them and their views. At least their numbers are dwindling with every 'demo' they hold.[/p][/quote]Seriously - go and look up what the term "fascist" means. It's clear that neither you nor the 'anti-fascists' on show today have the remotest idea. You throw the word at people you disagree with hoping that the prejudice sticks. All too often it does. Today, it didn't.[/p][/quote]I'm perfectly fine with using the term fascist to describe them thanks. A quote by McKenzie Wark is useful here; ‘Fascism is just really that political operation where someone is telling you: “I can make you feel good about yourself by making someone else suffer.”’ It has, as a consistent marker, the tendency to persecute minorities in order to ‘solve’ the problems of the majority. Sound familiar to their views. shoegays
  • Score: -20

6:41pm Thu 22 May 14

angryman!!! says...

The simple fact is if either of these sides had the interests of lee rigby they would have followed the families wishes and steered clear. They, and anyone that supports either of those sides and their actions need to think how they would feel if a member of their family was murdered by extremists and then a year on two other groups of extremists used his anniversary for their own glorification.
You are all low life's, I'm sure if any of you got off your high horses and opened your minds for just a minute you might just realise how low you went today even by your already shoddy pasts.
Hopefully this shows both sets for what they really are all about.
The simple fact is if either of these sides had the interests of lee rigby they would have followed the families wishes and steered clear. They, and anyone that supports either of those sides and their actions need to think how they would feel if a member of their family was murdered by extremists and then a year on two other groups of extremists used his anniversary for their own glorification. You are all low life's, I'm sure if any of you got off your high horses and opened your minds for just a minute you might just realise how low you went today even by your already shoddy pasts. Hopefully this shows both sets for what they really are all about. angryman!!!
  • Score: -8

6:47pm Thu 22 May 14

mike... says...

shoegays wrote:
mike... wrote:
shoegays wrote:
mike... wrote:
shoegays wrote:
Its disgraceful what the EDL did today, they should show some respect for Lee Rigby's family, they have stated a number of times they want nothing to do with the EDL and Britain First and their likes, yet they still keep trying to hijack his death and turn him into a far right martyr, show some respect and leave the poor family alone. Vile people.

Well done to those who turned up to demonstrate, if I could I would have joined you.
You're entitled to your view. You're wrong…but you're entitled to it nonetheless.

EDL disgraceful? A respectful one minute's silence and the laying of a wreath - yeah, shocking.

It was the other lot that showed disrespect. Desecrating a war memorial and chanting and baying like a pack of wild animals. There was no need for it, they could have held a silent protest. What right to they have to chant 'off our streets' - they're not your streets, they're everybody's streets.

EDL seemed to have grown up.

Anti-fascists/Hope not Hate or whatever they're called these days - same old ignorance and prejudice.
Yes absolutely disgraceful. Try to have some contextual and wider insight into why EDL were doing it, don't be naive.

Antifa showed no disrespect at all they were there to show respect to Lee Rigby and try and stop a fascist organization use his name to further their cause, despite his family stating he, and themselves, would never support their views.

I hope someone has removed EDL's wreath from the memorial, disrespecting a memorial to those who lost their lives fighting against people like them and their views.

At least their numbers are dwindling with every 'demo' they hold.
Seriously - go and look up what the term "fascist" means.

It's clear that neither you nor the 'anti-fascists' on show today have the remotest idea.

You throw the word at people you disagree with hoping that the prejudice sticks. All too often it does. Today, it didn't.
I'm perfectly fine with using the term fascist to describe them thanks.

A quote by McKenzie Wark is useful here; ‘Fascism is just really that political operation where someone is telling you: “I can make you feel good about yourself by making someone else suffer.”’ It has, as a consistent marker, the tendency to persecute minorities in order to ‘solve’ the problems of the majority.

Sound familiar to their views.
1) you're missing the point of what i initially said…i didn't say they couldn't protest - i said they could silently protest. Same effect. They chose not to, they chose to become what they purport to "hate".

2) The EDL are not fascists. For what it's worth, i disagree with much of what they want but I support their right to voice their opinions. Should we stop David Cameron from laying a wreath at the cenotaph this November because we may or may not disagree with his political views?

3) I will leave you to have the last word now. I take solace in knowing that we managed an exchange of views without resorting to the sort of name calling, prejudice and thuggery seen today at the memorial. Imagine how much better today could have been if the "anti-fascists" had managed to do the same?
[quote][p][bold]shoegays[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shoegays[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shoegays[/bold] wrote: Its disgraceful what the EDL did today, they should show some respect for Lee Rigby's family, they have stated a number of times they want nothing to do with the EDL and Britain First and their likes, yet they still keep trying to hijack his death and turn him into a far right martyr, show some respect and leave the poor family alone. Vile people. Well done to those who turned up to demonstrate, if I could I would have joined you.[/p][/quote]You're entitled to your view. You're wrong…but you're entitled to it nonetheless. EDL disgraceful? A respectful one minute's silence and the laying of a wreath - yeah, shocking. It was the other lot that showed disrespect. Desecrating a war memorial and chanting and baying like a pack of wild animals. There was no need for it, they could have held a silent protest. What right to they have to chant 'off our streets' - they're not your streets, they're everybody's streets. EDL seemed to have grown up. Anti-fascists/Hope not Hate or whatever they're called these days - same old ignorance and prejudice.[/p][/quote]Yes absolutely disgraceful. Try to have some contextual and wider insight into why EDL were doing it, don't be naive. Antifa showed no disrespect at all they were there to show respect to Lee Rigby and try and stop a fascist organization use his name to further their cause, despite his family stating he, and themselves, would never support their views. I hope someone has removed EDL's wreath from the memorial, disrespecting a memorial to those who lost their lives fighting against people like them and their views. At least their numbers are dwindling with every 'demo' they hold.[/p][/quote]Seriously - go and look up what the term "fascist" means. It's clear that neither you nor the 'anti-fascists' on show today have the remotest idea. You throw the word at people you disagree with hoping that the prejudice sticks. All too often it does. Today, it didn't.[/p][/quote]I'm perfectly fine with using the term fascist to describe them thanks. A quote by McKenzie Wark is useful here; ‘Fascism is just really that political operation where someone is telling you: “I can make you feel good about yourself by making someone else suffer.”’ It has, as a consistent marker, the tendency to persecute minorities in order to ‘solve’ the problems of the majority. Sound familiar to their views.[/p][/quote]1) you're missing the point of what i initially said…i didn't say they couldn't protest - i said they could silently protest. Same effect. They chose not to, they chose to become what they purport to "hate". 2) The EDL are not fascists. For what it's worth, i disagree with much of what they want but I support their right to voice their opinions. Should we stop David Cameron from laying a wreath at the cenotaph this November because we may or may not disagree with his political views? 3) I will leave you to have the last word now. I take solace in knowing that we managed an exchange of views without resorting to the sort of name calling, prejudice and thuggery seen today at the memorial. Imagine how much better today could have been if the "anti-fascists" had managed to do the same? mike...
  • Score: 20

8:34pm Thu 22 May 14

The-Professionals says...

I saw one of them walking down st peters street in a black hoodie with EDL all over it...He looked completely out of his head wide arming and larging it up, he was staring quite piercingly at people in cars at about 4pm...Looked very dodgy to me heading towards those flats down there at Bernard Brett House....
I think there was a murder there sometime ago Jimmy Neale's ex wife... Then the murder of the DJ in the posh flats....recent events nearby, that area is becoming very eerie...I wont be walking that way any more for sure....
I saw one of them walking down st peters street in a black hoodie with EDL all over it...He looked completely out of his head wide arming and larging it up, he was staring quite piercingly at people in cars at about 4pm...Looked very dodgy to me heading towards those flats down there at Bernard Brett House.... I think there was a murder there sometime ago Jimmy Neale's ex wife... Then the murder of the DJ in the posh flats....recent events nearby, that area is becoming very eerie...I wont be walking that way any more for sure.... The-Professionals
  • Score: -6

9:05pm Thu 22 May 14

stevedawson says...

Hope those of you af an age to vote got to the stations and gave your vote to ukip and the conservative in the local elections.
Hope those of you af an age to vote got to the stations and gave your vote to ukip and the conservative in the local elections. stevedawson
  • Score: -9

9:14pm Thu 22 May 14

Jack222 says...

Out of interest how many innocent people died in Afghanistan and Iraq in wars part started by the British military - at the best guess many hundreds of thousands. Is the EDl interested in commemorating them?
Out of interest how many innocent people died in Afghanistan and Iraq in wars part started by the British military - at the best guess many hundreds of thousands. Is the EDl interested in commemorating them? Jack222
  • Score: -5

9:30pm Thu 22 May 14

Jack222 says...

Worth noting that Britain has a long history of extreme right wingers; look at the Mosley Black Shirts who were Nazis in the 1930s.

National Front in the 1970s; the BNP recently and now this pathetic group.
Worth noting that Britain has a long history of extreme right wingers; look at the Mosley Black Shirts who were Nazis in the 1930s. National Front in the 1970s; the BNP recently and now this pathetic group. Jack222
  • Score: -11

10:19pm Thu 22 May 14

shoegays says...

mike... wrote:
shoegays wrote:
mike... wrote:
shoegays wrote:
mike... wrote:
shoegays wrote:
Its disgraceful what the EDL did today, they should show some respect for Lee Rigby's family, they have stated a number of times they want nothing to do with the EDL and Britain First and their likes, yet they still keep trying to hijack his death and turn him into a far right martyr, show some respect and leave the poor family alone. Vile people.

Well done to those who turned up to demonstrate, if I could I would have joined you.
You're entitled to your view. You're wrong…but you're entitled to it nonetheless.

EDL disgraceful? A respectful one minute's silence and the laying of a wreath - yeah, shocking.

It was the other lot that showed disrespect. Desecrating a war memorial and chanting and baying like a pack of wild animals. There was no need for it, they could have held a silent protest. What right to they have to chant 'off our streets' - they're not your streets, they're everybody's streets.

EDL seemed to have grown up.

Anti-fascists/Hope not Hate or whatever they're called these days - same old ignorance and prejudice.
Yes absolutely disgraceful. Try to have some contextual and wider insight into why EDL were doing it, don't be naive.

Antifa showed no disrespect at all they were there to show respect to Lee Rigby and try and stop a fascist organization use his name to further their cause, despite his family stating he, and themselves, would never support their views.

I hope someone has removed EDL's wreath from the memorial, disrespecting a memorial to those who lost their lives fighting against people like them and their views.

At least their numbers are dwindling with every 'demo' they hold.
Seriously - go and look up what the term "fascist" means.

It's clear that neither you nor the 'anti-fascists' on show today have the remotest idea.

You throw the word at people you disagree with hoping that the prejudice sticks. All too often it does. Today, it didn't.
I'm perfectly fine with using the term fascist to describe them thanks.

A quote by McKenzie Wark is useful here; ‘Fascism is just really that political operation where someone is telling you: “I can make you feel good about yourself by making someone else suffer.”’ It has, as a consistent marker, the tendency to persecute minorities in order to ‘solve’ the problems of the majority.

Sound familiar to their views.
1) you're missing the point of what i initially said…i didn't say they couldn't protest - i said they could silently protest. Same effect. They chose not to, they chose to become what they purport to "hate".

2) The EDL are not fascists. For what it's worth, i disagree with much of what they want but I support their right to voice their opinions. Should we stop David Cameron from laying a wreath at the cenotaph this November because we may or may not disagree with his political views?

3) I will leave you to have the last word now. I take solace in knowing that we managed an exchange of views without resorting to the sort of name calling, prejudice and thuggery seen today at the memorial. Imagine how much better today could have been if the "anti-fascists" had managed to do the same?
1) They became everything that they hate? They became racists did they?

2) They are, and yes I would have no problem of stopping that tory **** from doing anything.

3) A rather loose use of the terms thuggery prejudice there. If you had gone down there I'm sure they would be happy to explain why they were there
[quote][p][bold]mike...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shoegays[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shoegays[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shoegays[/bold] wrote: Its disgraceful what the EDL did today, they should show some respect for Lee Rigby's family, they have stated a number of times they want nothing to do with the EDL and Britain First and their likes, yet they still keep trying to hijack his death and turn him into a far right martyr, show some respect and leave the poor family alone. Vile people. Well done to those who turned up to demonstrate, if I could I would have joined you.[/p][/quote]You're entitled to your view. You're wrong…but you're entitled to it nonetheless. EDL disgraceful? A respectful one minute's silence and the laying of a wreath - yeah, shocking. It was the other lot that showed disrespect. Desecrating a war memorial and chanting and baying like a pack of wild animals. There was no need for it, they could have held a silent protest. What right to they have to chant 'off our streets' - they're not your streets, they're everybody's streets. EDL seemed to have grown up. Anti-fascists/Hope not Hate or whatever they're called these days - same old ignorance and prejudice.[/p][/quote]Yes absolutely disgraceful. Try to have some contextual and wider insight into why EDL were doing it, don't be naive. Antifa showed no disrespect at all they were there to show respect to Lee Rigby and try and stop a fascist organization use his name to further their cause, despite his family stating he, and themselves, would never support their views. I hope someone has removed EDL's wreath from the memorial, disrespecting a memorial to those who lost their lives fighting against people like them and their views. At least their numbers are dwindling with every 'demo' they hold.[/p][/quote]Seriously - go and look up what the term "fascist" means. It's clear that neither you nor the 'anti-fascists' on show today have the remotest idea. You throw the word at people you disagree with hoping that the prejudice sticks. All too often it does. Today, it didn't.[/p][/quote]I'm perfectly fine with using the term fascist to describe them thanks. A quote by McKenzie Wark is useful here; ‘Fascism is just really that political operation where someone is telling you: “I can make you feel good about yourself by making someone else suffer.”’ It has, as a consistent marker, the tendency to persecute minorities in order to ‘solve’ the problems of the majority. Sound familiar to their views.[/p][/quote]1) you're missing the point of what i initially said…i didn't say they couldn't protest - i said they could silently protest. Same effect. They chose not to, they chose to become what they purport to "hate". 2) The EDL are not fascists. For what it's worth, i disagree with much of what they want but I support their right to voice their opinions. Should we stop David Cameron from laying a wreath at the cenotaph this November because we may or may not disagree with his political views? 3) I will leave you to have the last word now. I take solace in knowing that we managed an exchange of views without resorting to the sort of name calling, prejudice and thuggery seen today at the memorial. Imagine how much better today could have been if the "anti-fascists" had managed to do the same?[/p][/quote]1) They became everything that they hate? They became racists did they? 2) They are, and yes I would have no problem of stopping that tory **** from doing anything. 3) A rather loose use of the terms thuggery prejudice there. If you had gone down there I'm sure they would be happy to explain why they were there shoegays
  • Score: -11

10:57pm Thu 22 May 14

angryman!!! says...

Jack222, how many innocent people from afghan and Iraq died, saddly a lot, how many people would have died if we hadn't got involved, a lot. More intrestingly how many afghans voted in general elections this year, how many girls now go to school, how many more people are opening up businesses in Afghanistan because of the British?

And what has that comment got to do with a soldier being bit and run and then butchered in the streets of London, and a war memorial for soldiers of the ww1 and 2. People like you are so smug, have you ever spoken to afghan, or Iraq? Have you read any independent reports from these countries, looked into their history? Either you haven't or you are a fan of the Taliban or sadam Husain?
Jack222, how many innocent people from afghan and Iraq died, saddly a lot, how many people would have died if we hadn't got involved, a lot. More intrestingly how many afghans voted in general elections this year, how many girls now go to school, how many more people are opening up businesses in Afghanistan because of the British? And what has that comment got to do with a soldier being bit and run and then butchered in the streets of London, and a war memorial for soldiers of the ww1 and 2. People like you are so smug, have you ever spoken to afghan, or Iraq? Have you read any independent reports from these countries, looked into their history? Either you haven't or you are a fan of the Taliban or sadam Husain? angryman!!!
  • Score: 9

2:23am Fri 23 May 14

kikorikid says...

shoegays wrote:
mike... wrote:
shoegays wrote:
mike... wrote:
shoegays wrote:
mike... wrote:
shoegays wrote:
Its disgraceful what the EDL did today, they should show some respect for Lee Rigby's family, they have stated a number of times they want nothing to do with the EDL and Britain First and their likes, yet they still keep trying to hijack his death and turn him into a far right martyr, show some respect and leave the poor family alone. Vile people.

Well done to those who turned up to demonstrate, if I could I would have joined you.
You're entitled to your view. You're wrong…but you're entitled to it nonetheless.

EDL disgraceful? A respectful one minute's silence and the laying of a wreath - yeah, shocking.

It was the other lot that showed disrespect. Desecrating a war memorial and chanting and baying like a pack of wild animals. There was no need for it, they could have held a silent protest. What right to they have to chant 'off our streets' - they're not your streets, they're everybody's streets.

EDL seemed to have grown up.

Anti-fascists/Hope not Hate or whatever they're called these days - same old ignorance and prejudice.
Yes absolutely disgraceful. Try to have some contextual and wider insight into why EDL were doing it, don't be naive.

Antifa showed no disrespect at all they were there to show respect to Lee Rigby and try and stop a fascist organization use his name to further their cause, despite his family stating he, and themselves, would never support their views.

I hope someone has removed EDL's wreath from the memorial, disrespecting a memorial to those who lost their lives fighting against people like them and their views.

At least their numbers are dwindling with every 'demo' they hold.
Seriously - go and look up what the term "fascist" means.

It's clear that neither you nor the 'anti-fascists' on show today have the remotest idea.

You throw the word at people you disagree with hoping that the prejudice sticks. All too often it does. Today, it didn't.
I'm perfectly fine with using the term fascist to describe them thanks.

A quote by McKenzie Wark is useful here; ‘Fascism is just really that political operation where someone is telling you: “I can make you feel good about yourself by making someone else suffer.”’ It has, as a consistent marker, the tendency to persecute minorities in order to ‘solve’ the problems of the majority.

Sound familiar to their views.
1) you're missing the point of what i initially said…i didn't say they couldn't protest - i said they could silently protest. Same effect. They chose not to, they chose to become what they purport to "hate".

2) The EDL are not fascists. For what it's worth, i disagree with much of what they want but I support their right to voice their opinions. Should we stop David Cameron from laying a wreath at the cenotaph this November because we may or may not disagree with his political views?

3) I will leave you to have the last word now. I take solace in knowing that we managed an exchange of views without resorting to the sort of name calling, prejudice and thuggery seen today at the memorial. Imagine how much better today could have been if the "anti-fascists" had managed to do the same?
1) They became everything that they hate? They became racists did they?

2) They are, and yes I would have no problem of stopping that tory **** from doing anything.

3) A rather loose use of the terms thuggery prejudice there. If you had gone down there I'm sure they would be happy to explain why they were there
Here, the anti-fascist appear fascist.
What you see is what you get.
[quote][p][bold]shoegays[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shoegays[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shoegays[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shoegays[/bold] wrote: Its disgraceful what the EDL did today, they should show some respect for Lee Rigby's family, they have stated a number of times they want nothing to do with the EDL and Britain First and their likes, yet they still keep trying to hijack his death and turn him into a far right martyr, show some respect and leave the poor family alone. Vile people. Well done to those who turned up to demonstrate, if I could I would have joined you.[/p][/quote]You're entitled to your view. You're wrong…but you're entitled to it nonetheless. EDL disgraceful? A respectful one minute's silence and the laying of a wreath - yeah, shocking. It was the other lot that showed disrespect. Desecrating a war memorial and chanting and baying like a pack of wild animals. There was no need for it, they could have held a silent protest. What right to they have to chant 'off our streets' - they're not your streets, they're everybody's streets. EDL seemed to have grown up. Anti-fascists/Hope not Hate or whatever they're called these days - same old ignorance and prejudice.[/p][/quote]Yes absolutely disgraceful. Try to have some contextual and wider insight into why EDL were doing it, don't be naive. Antifa showed no disrespect at all they were there to show respect to Lee Rigby and try and stop a fascist organization use his name to further their cause, despite his family stating he, and themselves, would never support their views. I hope someone has removed EDL's wreath from the memorial, disrespecting a memorial to those who lost their lives fighting against people like them and their views. At least their numbers are dwindling with every 'demo' they hold.[/p][/quote]Seriously - go and look up what the term "fascist" means. It's clear that neither you nor the 'anti-fascists' on show today have the remotest idea. You throw the word at people you disagree with hoping that the prejudice sticks. All too often it does. Today, it didn't.[/p][/quote]I'm perfectly fine with using the term fascist to describe them thanks. A quote by McKenzie Wark is useful here; ‘Fascism is just really that political operation where someone is telling you: “I can make you feel good about yourself by making someone else suffer.”’ It has, as a consistent marker, the tendency to persecute minorities in order to ‘solve’ the problems of the majority. Sound familiar to their views.[/p][/quote]1) you're missing the point of what i initially said…i didn't say they couldn't protest - i said they could silently protest. Same effect. They chose not to, they chose to become what they purport to "hate". 2) The EDL are not fascists. For what it's worth, i disagree with much of what they want but I support their right to voice their opinions. Should we stop David Cameron from laying a wreath at the cenotaph this November because we may or may not disagree with his political views? 3) I will leave you to have the last word now. I take solace in knowing that we managed an exchange of views without resorting to the sort of name calling, prejudice and thuggery seen today at the memorial. Imagine how much better today could have been if the "anti-fascists" had managed to do the same?[/p][/quote]1) They became everything that they hate? They became racists did they? 2) They are, and yes I would have no problem of stopping that tory **** from doing anything. 3) A rather loose use of the terms thuggery prejudice there. If you had gone down there I'm sure they would be happy to explain why they were there[/p][/quote]Here, the anti-fascist appear fascist. What you see is what you get. kikorikid
  • Score: 6

7:29am Fri 23 May 14

super waluigi says...

angryman!!! wrote:
Jack222, how many innocent people from afghan and Iraq died, saddly a lot, how many people would have died if we hadn't got involved, a lot. More intrestingly how many afghans voted in general elections this year, how many girls now go to school, how many more people are opening up businesses in Afghanistan because of the British?

And what has that comment got to do with a soldier being bit and run and then butchered in the streets of London, and a war memorial for soldiers of the ww1 and 2. People like you are so smug, have you ever spoken to afghan, or Iraq? Have you read any independent reports from these countries, looked into their history? Either you haven't or you are a fan of the Taliban or sadam Husain?
Hhhhhmmmm, you have a very biased view of those wars. Just because the British press reports that education and buisness is up in those country's, it does not mean that they never manipulated the statistics. Whether Afghan and Iraq have a good future remains to be seen, but whether it will be better or worse because if our input, we will never know.
The problem a lot of people have with the Iraq war was that people died. People that would never have died if we never went to war. That is fact. There is a lot of evidence to support the war was based on energy resources and not weapons. Touchy subject? Yes, but each person has their opinion.
What ever happens in Iraq and Afghan, Lee Rigby was murfered by a nutter. He may have been a Muslim, but he does not represent them, regardless of what he said. He is also 6ft, but is not a fair reflection on tall people either. He wore a hat, but again, not everyone who wears a hat is a murderer.
And for the last time, yes, Lee was a soldier. But he was a human. Until people drop the 'soldier' tag every time he is mentioned, which is something that right wing press such as the daily Mail and Sun newspapers introduced to stir up race tension, then how can we move on from EDL and idiot protesters using his name like a bone to a dog?
[quote][p][bold]angryman!!![/bold] wrote: Jack222, how many innocent people from afghan and Iraq died, saddly a lot, how many people would have died if we hadn't got involved, a lot. More intrestingly how many afghans voted in general elections this year, how many girls now go to school, how many more people are opening up businesses in Afghanistan because of the British? And what has that comment got to do with a soldier being bit and run and then butchered in the streets of London, and a war memorial for soldiers of the ww1 and 2. People like you are so smug, have you ever spoken to afghan, or Iraq? Have you read any independent reports from these countries, looked into their history? Either you haven't or you are a fan of the Taliban or sadam Husain?[/p][/quote]Hhhhhmmmm, you have a very biased view of those wars. Just because the British press reports that education and buisness is up in those country's, it does not mean that they never manipulated the statistics. Whether Afghan and Iraq have a good future remains to be seen, but whether it will be better or worse because if our input, we will never know. The problem a lot of people have with the Iraq war was that people died. People that would never have died if we never went to war. That is fact. There is a lot of evidence to support the war was based on energy resources and not weapons. Touchy subject? Yes, but each person has their opinion. What ever happens in Iraq and Afghan, Lee Rigby was murfered by a nutter. He may have been a Muslim, but he does not represent them, regardless of what he said. He is also 6ft, but is not a fair reflection on tall people either. He wore a hat, but again, not everyone who wears a hat is a murderer. And for the last time, yes, Lee was a soldier. But he was a human. Until people drop the 'soldier' tag every time he is mentioned, which is something that right wing press such as the daily Mail and Sun newspapers introduced to stir up race tension, then how can we move on from EDL and idiot protesters using his name like a bone to a dog? super waluigi
  • Score: -10

9:16am Fri 23 May 14

angryman!!! says...

The sun right wing press??? Really?
And like I said I haven't gone off what the press says, my views are backed by speaking to those from afghan, and the huge developments in democracy and law and order that have happend.
Also intresting how that you have picked me up for so called biasness but haven't for the guy I replied to, that has used this debate about lee rigby to talk about civilian casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan, as if it should be some kind of justification.
The sun right wing press??? Really? And like I said I haven't gone off what the press says, my views are backed by speaking to those from afghan, and the huge developments in democracy and law and order that have happend. Also intresting how that you have picked me up for so called biasness but haven't for the guy I replied to, that has used this debate about lee rigby to talk about civilian casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan, as if it should be some kind of justification. angryman!!!
  • Score: -1

9:20am Fri 23 May 14

Doomflood says...

mike... wrote:
shoegays wrote:
mike... wrote:
shoegays wrote:
Its disgraceful what the EDL did today, they should show some respect for Lee Rigby's family, they have stated a number of times they want nothing to do with the EDL and Britain First and their likes, yet they still keep trying to hijack his death and turn him into a far right martyr, show some respect and leave the poor family alone. Vile people.

Well done to those who turned up to demonstrate, if I could I would have joined you.
You're entitled to your view. You're wrong…but you're entitled to it nonetheless.

EDL disgraceful? A respectful one minute's silence and the laying of a wreath - yeah, shocking.

It was the other lot that showed disrespect. Desecrating a war memorial and chanting and baying like a pack of wild animals. There was no need for it, they could have held a silent protest. What right to they have to chant 'off our streets' - they're not your streets, they're everybody's streets.

EDL seemed to have grown up.

Anti-fascists/Hope not Hate or whatever they're called these days - same old ignorance and prejudice.
Yes absolutely disgraceful. Try to have some contextual and wider insight into why EDL were doing it, don't be naive.

Antifa showed no disrespect at all they were there to show respect to Lee Rigby and try and stop a fascist organization use his name to further their cause, despite his family stating he, and themselves, would never support their views.

I hope someone has removed EDL's wreath from the memorial, disrespecting a memorial to those who lost their lives fighting against people like them and their views.

At least their numbers are dwindling with every 'demo' they hold.
Seriously - go and look up what the term "fascist" means.

It's clear that neither you nor the 'anti-fascists' on show today have the remotest idea.

You throw the word at people you disagree with hoping that the prejudice sticks. All too often it does. Today, it didn't.
Yes and the UAF are different wrapping their Banner around the memorial aren't they? ¬_¬
[quote][p][bold]mike...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shoegays[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shoegays[/bold] wrote: Its disgraceful what the EDL did today, they should show some respect for Lee Rigby's family, they have stated a number of times they want nothing to do with the EDL and Britain First and their likes, yet they still keep trying to hijack his death and turn him into a far right martyr, show some respect and leave the poor family alone. Vile people. Well done to those who turned up to demonstrate, if I could I would have joined you.[/p][/quote]You're entitled to your view. You're wrong…but you're entitled to it nonetheless. EDL disgraceful? A respectful one minute's silence and the laying of a wreath - yeah, shocking. It was the other lot that showed disrespect. Desecrating a war memorial and chanting and baying like a pack of wild animals. There was no need for it, they could have held a silent protest. What right to they have to chant 'off our streets' - they're not your streets, they're everybody's streets. EDL seemed to have grown up. Anti-fascists/Hope not Hate or whatever they're called these days - same old ignorance and prejudice.[/p][/quote]Yes absolutely disgraceful. Try to have some contextual and wider insight into why EDL were doing it, don't be naive. Antifa showed no disrespect at all they were there to show respect to Lee Rigby and try and stop a fascist organization use his name to further their cause, despite his family stating he, and themselves, would never support their views. I hope someone has removed EDL's wreath from the memorial, disrespecting a memorial to those who lost their lives fighting against people like them and their views. At least their numbers are dwindling with every 'demo' they hold.[/p][/quote]Seriously - go and look up what the term "fascist" means. It's clear that neither you nor the 'anti-fascists' on show today have the remotest idea. You throw the word at people you disagree with hoping that the prejudice sticks. All too often it does. Today, it didn't.[/p][/quote]Yes and the UAF are different wrapping their Banner around the memorial aren't they? ¬_¬ Doomflood
  • Score: 1

10:06am Fri 23 May 14

super waluigi says...

angryman!!! wrote:
The sun right wing press??? Really?
And like I said I haven't gone off what the press says, my views are backed by speaking to those from afghan, and the huge developments in democracy and law and order that have happend.
Also intresting how that you have picked me up for so called biasness but haven't for the guy I replied to, that has used this debate about lee rigby to talk about civilian casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan, as if it should be some kind of justification.
True, the guy who initially bought up the war was wrong to do so, it holds very little relevance. I understand his point that EDL are using Lee as fodder and not the 100's of British soldiers that have lost lives over seas or 1000's of Afghans. It is pretty irrelevant.
Where ever you picked up your opinion, be it press or war heroes it is still biased. In my opinion ofcourse. If Britain is divided 50/50 on whether to go to war, how divided do you think Afghan people will be? Don't you think there is people who are angry at being held captive in their own country?

In my opinion, unless the British public get a more balanced opinion, based on both sides, we will have to put up with this sort of thing.
[quote][p][bold]angryman!!![/bold] wrote: The sun right wing press??? Really? And like I said I haven't gone off what the press says, my views are backed by speaking to those from afghan, and the huge developments in democracy and law and order that have happend. Also intresting how that you have picked me up for so called biasness but haven't for the guy I replied to, that has used this debate about lee rigby to talk about civilian casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan, as if it should be some kind of justification.[/p][/quote]True, the guy who initially bought up the war was wrong to do so, it holds very little relevance. I understand his point that EDL are using Lee as fodder and not the 100's of British soldiers that have lost lives over seas or 1000's of Afghans. It is pretty irrelevant. Where ever you picked up your opinion, be it press or war heroes it is still biased. In my opinion ofcourse. If Britain is divided 50/50 on whether to go to war, how divided do you think Afghan people will be? Don't you think there is people who are angry at being held captive in their own country? In my opinion, unless the British public get a more balanced opinion, based on both sides, we will have to put up with this sort of thing. super waluigi
  • Score: 0

10:57am Fri 23 May 14

angryman!!! says...

I obviously haven't made my point clear. I have based my opinions on speaking to afghans, it's they who have said their lives have improved. First hand source not media or anything else. Has everything isaf done been for the better? No of course not but as a whole they are happier, and more importantly free to voice their opinion.
Are they happy about being held captive in their own country? Well what do you think the Taliban was doing. They were mainly outsiders, from Pakistan and Middle East, who oppressed everyone. I can hand on heart say im incredibly proud of the work done by the British their and I'm sure the girls know going to school, the local business men that are opening up stools etc, the local population that has a chance to vote and now sees signs of an army and police force that is improving monthly.
Of course the edl are wrong in using lee rigby as are the anti fascist who are trying to make out as if they are protecting lee rigby and his family. Both sides are horrid creatures.
I obviously haven't made my point clear. I have based my opinions on speaking to afghans, it's they who have said their lives have improved. First hand source not media or anything else. Has everything isaf done been for the better? No of course not but as a whole they are happier, and more importantly free to voice their opinion. Are they happy about being held captive in their own country? Well what do you think the Taliban was doing. They were mainly outsiders, from Pakistan and Middle East, who oppressed everyone. I can hand on heart say im incredibly proud of the work done by the British their and I'm sure the girls know going to school, the local business men that are opening up stools etc, the local population that has a chance to vote and now sees signs of an army and police force that is improving monthly. Of course the edl are wrong in using lee rigby as are the anti fascist who are trying to make out as if they are protecting lee rigby and his family. Both sides are horrid creatures. angryman!!!
  • Score: -1

11:40am Fri 23 May 14

romantic says...

Sad that the EDL seem to have gained the moral high ground on this, but I have to agree with angryman on this: both sides are using the name of Lee Rigby for their own gain.

When the EDL did their minute silence, the right thing to do would be to also keep silent. When hypocritical politicians gather at the Cenotaph, we respect the silence even if we don't agree with them. People can't complain about the EDL using this as a political tool, and then stick banners on the War Memorial.

The EDL seem to be doing what the Far Right do periodically and try to seem respectable. However cynically they have latched onto the name of Lee Rigby, by respecting that silence, they seem like the good guys, and that is a terrible shame.

For me, the heartening thing is that so few people turned out for this. Most people ignored it. If the Gazette had not spent the last week having this as a lead story, the EDL could probably have come, done their silence, had a few pints and gone home, and nobody would have even realised. You start to wonder if the Gazette wanted a confrontation as much as some people on both sides no doubt did. The police seem to have handled it well. It has passed peacefully. The story is over.
Sad that the EDL seem to have gained the moral high ground on this, but I have to agree with angryman on this: both sides are using the name of Lee Rigby for their own gain. When the EDL did their minute silence, the right thing to do would be to also keep silent. When hypocritical politicians gather at the Cenotaph, we respect the silence even if we don't agree with them. People can't complain about the EDL using this as a political tool, and then stick banners on the War Memorial. The EDL seem to be doing what the Far Right do periodically and try to seem respectable. However cynically they have latched onto the name of Lee Rigby, by respecting that silence, they seem like the good guys, and that is a terrible shame. For me, the heartening thing is that so few people turned out for this. Most people ignored it. If the Gazette had not spent the last week having this as a lead story, the EDL could probably have come, done their silence, had a few pints and gone home, and nobody would have even realised. You start to wonder if the Gazette wanted a confrontation as much as some people on both sides no doubt did. The police seem to have handled it well. It has passed peacefully. The story is over. romantic
  • Score: 5

4:04pm Fri 23 May 14

carol05 says...

have these stupid anti -fascists people or whatever they choose to call themselves ,have no respect? if they have nothing better to do than disrupt the edl paying respects to a murdered hero soldier they should try joining them in fighting for the good people of this country , though id doubt the edl would accept trouble makers like the roudy mob pictured. well done to the edlk and shame on you trouble makers.
have these stupid anti -fascists people or whatever they choose to call themselves ,have no respect? if they have nothing better to do than disrupt the edl paying respects to a murdered hero soldier they should try joining them in fighting for the good people of this country , though id doubt the edl would accept trouble makers like the roudy mob pictured. well done to the edlk and shame on you trouble makers. carol05
  • Score: 0

4:05pm Fri 23 May 14

carol05 says...

Jack222 wrote:
Good on the anti-fascists.

EDL are nasty thugs.
you silly little man. do you even know what fascist means????
[quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: Good on the anti-fascists. EDL are nasty thugs.[/p][/quote]you silly little man. do you even know what fascist means???? carol05
  • Score: -1

4:19pm Fri 23 May 14

carol05 says...

shoegays wrote:
Its disgraceful what the EDL did today, they should show some respect for Lee Rigby's family, they have stated a number of times they want nothing to do with the EDL and Britain First and their likes, yet they still keep trying to hijack his death and turn him into a far right martyr, show some respect and leave the poor family alone. Vile people.

Well done to those who turned up to demonstrate, if I could I would have joined you.
in the future when the likes of the edl and britain first have done something to stop the takeover of britain by muslims you will thank them and wonder why you opened your fat mouth and spoke out against them. this is a war memorial and anyone can go thier and pay thier respects to whomever they like. these trouble makers who probably dont even know what fascist means should go and find somewhere else to cause trouble. try tower hamlets . good on you EDL. AND BRITAIN FIRST FOR STICKING UP FOR THE BRITISH PEOPLE, UNLIKE THE TRAITOR CAMORON.
.
[quote][p][bold]shoegays[/bold] wrote: Its disgraceful what the EDL did today, they should show some respect for Lee Rigby's family, they have stated a number of times they want nothing to do with the EDL and Britain First and their likes, yet they still keep trying to hijack his death and turn him into a far right martyr, show some respect and leave the poor family alone. Vile people. Well done to those who turned up to demonstrate, if I could I would have joined you.[/p][/quote]in the future when the likes of the edl and britain first have done something to stop the takeover of britain by muslims you will thank them and wonder why you opened your fat mouth and spoke out against them. this is a war memorial and anyone can go thier and pay thier respects to whomever they like. these trouble makers who probably dont even know what fascist means should go and find somewhere else to cause trouble. try tower hamlets . good on you EDL. AND BRITAIN FIRST FOR STICKING UP FOR THE BRITISH PEOPLE, UNLIKE THE TRAITOR CAMORON. . carol05
  • Score: -2

5:42pm Fri 23 May 14

angryman!!! says...

How have the edl done anything to help stop Muslims take over Britain (by the way that comment makes you sound incredibly dim).
If they feel so strongly about this country why don't they join they army, probably because they've never done a hard days work in their life like the other half wits the anti fascists.
All I know about the edl is last year they stood doing nazi salutes next to the memorial and spent most the time in the pub, this year they went against a grieving mothers wishes for their own gains. Somes them up!
Then on the other side of the coin you have the great in washed hanging banners off a war memorial.
Horrible little people, thankfully there was only a few of you.
Shame on the gazette for giving such publicity to it.
How have the edl done anything to help stop Muslims take over Britain (by the way that comment makes you sound incredibly dim). If they feel so strongly about this country why don't they join they army, probably because they've never done a hard days work in their life like the other half wits the anti fascists. All I know about the edl is last year they stood doing nazi salutes next to the memorial and spent most the time in the pub, this year they went against a grieving mothers wishes for their own gains. Somes them up! Then on the other side of the coin you have the great in washed hanging banners off a war memorial. Horrible little people, thankfully there was only a few of you. Shame on the gazette for giving such publicity to it. angryman!!!
  • Score: 3

6:15pm Fri 23 May 14

markdunbar says...

carol05 wrote:
shoegays wrote:
Its disgraceful what the EDL did today, they should show some respect for Lee Rigby's family, they have stated a number of times they want nothing to do with the EDL and Britain First and their likes, yet they still keep trying to hijack his death and turn him into a far right martyr, show some respect and leave the poor family alone. Vile people.

Well done to those who turned up to demonstrate, if I could I would have joined you.
in the future when the likes of the edl and britain first have done something to stop the takeover of britain by muslims you will thank them and wonder why you opened your fat mouth and spoke out against them. this is a war memorial and anyone can go thier and pay thier respects to whomever they like. these trouble makers who probably dont even know what fascist means should go and find somewhere else to cause trouble. try tower hamlets . good on you EDL. AND BRITAIN FIRST FOR STICKING UP FOR THE BRITISH PEOPLE, UNLIKE THE TRAITOR CAMORON.
.
Stop the Muslim takeover, what on earth are you on about, do you live in the same reality as everyone else?

Here is what Lee Rigby's own mother said about you lot, pay some respect and stop turning his memory into a spectacle every year, disrespectful racist morons.

'Well yet again can anymore heartbreak be thrown at me n my family so heartbroken tonight. Electoral commission phoned saying that a party in north wales has stood for election in the European parliament named Britain First using Lees name to promote their party and some **** from the commission allowed it to go throu but cannot take any action till after the election which is held on my sons anniversary of his murder.Their views are not what Lee believed in and has no support from the family. Their will be a family apology from the electoral commission but cannot be made public till after 22nd of may. Lees legacy will live on throu Team Lee United Forces and all the good I hope to achieve ****'

And go to tower hamlets, what like you so enjoy trying to march there all the time along with Brighton, getting your **** handed to you on a plate every time you try, mugs.
[quote][p][bold]carol05[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shoegays[/bold] wrote: Its disgraceful what the EDL did today, they should show some respect for Lee Rigby's family, they have stated a number of times they want nothing to do with the EDL and Britain First and their likes, yet they still keep trying to hijack his death and turn him into a far right martyr, show some respect and leave the poor family alone. Vile people. Well done to those who turned up to demonstrate, if I could I would have joined you.[/p][/quote]in the future when the likes of the edl and britain first have done something to stop the takeover of britain by muslims you will thank them and wonder why you opened your fat mouth and spoke out against them. this is a war memorial and anyone can go thier and pay thier respects to whomever they like. these trouble makers who probably dont even know what fascist means should go and find somewhere else to cause trouble. try tower hamlets . good on you EDL. AND BRITAIN FIRST FOR STICKING UP FOR THE BRITISH PEOPLE, UNLIKE THE TRAITOR CAMORON. .[/p][/quote]Stop the Muslim takeover, what on earth are you on about, do you live in the same reality as everyone else? Here is what Lee Rigby's own mother said about you lot, pay some respect and stop turning his memory into a spectacle every year, disrespectful racist morons. 'Well yet again can anymore heartbreak be thrown at me n my family so heartbroken tonight. Electoral commission phoned saying that a party in north wales has stood for election in the European parliament named Britain First using Lees name to promote their party and some **** from the commission allowed it to go throu but cannot take any action till after the election which is held on my sons anniversary of his murder.Their views are not what Lee believed in and has no support from the family. Their will be a family apology from the electoral commission but cannot be made public till after 22nd of may. Lees legacy will live on throu Team Lee United Forces and all the good I hope to achieve ****' And go to tower hamlets, what like you so enjoy trying to march there all the time along with Brighton, getting your **** handed to you on a plate every time you try, mugs. markdunbar
  • Score: 2

5:47am Sat 24 May 14

Rhinestone Cowboy* says...

wait till the EDL start fielding political candidates for seats along side UKIP.
wait till the EDL start fielding political candidates for seats along side UKIP. Rhinestone Cowboy*
  • Score: -2

6:59am Sat 24 May 14

Shaneblackdarkknight says...

Rhinestone Cowboy* wrote:
wait till the EDL start fielding political candidates for seats along side UKIP.
Not u again ? Go play cowboys and Indians !
[quote][p][bold]Rhinestone Cowboy*[/bold] wrote: wait till the EDL start fielding political candidates for seats along side UKIP.[/p][/quote]Not u again ? Go play cowboys and Indians ! Shaneblackdarkknight
  • Score: -3

11:15am Sat 24 May 14

Captain SpaceAce says...

angryman!!! wrote:
The only good thing to see was how small both numbers supporting these two extremist groups was. Every decent member of Colchester was probably at work, and will show their respects like the family would have wanted away from any political organisation.
I think this is the most sensible post in this thread.

Meanwhile in my opinion, the actions of the EDL are all about gaining publicity, nothing to do with honouring anything. Why Colchester? Beyond Mr Rigby being a soldier, and us having a garrison, he has no connection to this town. Why a memorial to those who died in WWI & II? Beyond being a soldier, Mr Rigby (who was tragically murdered in this country by a mad man from this country) has no connection to the men & women that memorial commemorates.

The only possible reason the EDL do this is for publicity. The idiot anti-fascists only help to give them what they want: news coverage.
[quote][p][bold]angryman!!![/bold] wrote: The only good thing to see was how small both numbers supporting these two extremist groups was. Every decent member of Colchester was probably at work, and will show their respects like the family would have wanted away from any political organisation.[/p][/quote]I think this is the most sensible post in this thread. Meanwhile in my opinion, the actions of the EDL are all about gaining publicity, nothing to do with honouring anything. Why Colchester? Beyond Mr Rigby being a soldier, and us having a garrison, he has no connection to this town. Why a memorial to those who died in WWI & II? Beyond being a soldier, Mr Rigby (who was tragically murdered in this country by a mad man from this country) has no connection to the men & women that memorial commemorates. The only possible reason the EDL do this is for publicity. The idiot anti-fascists only help to give them what they want: news coverage. Captain SpaceAce
  • Score: 0

2:15pm Sat 24 May 14

Arthur22 says...

Most on here have no idea at what the EDL are all about so I'm posting part of our Mission Statement,


The English Defence League (EDL) is a human rights organisation that was founded in the wake of the shocking actions of a small group of Muslim extremists who, at a homecoming parade in Luton, openly mocked the sacrifices of our service personnel without any fear of censure. Although these actions were certainly those of a minority, we believe that they reflect other forms of religiously-inspired intolerance and barbarity that are thriving amongst certain sections of the Muslim population in Britain: including, but not limited to, the denigration and oppression of women, the molestation of young children, the committing of so-called honour killings, homophobia, anti-Semitism, and continued support for those responsible for terrorist atrocities.

Whilst we must always protect against the unjust assumption that all Muslims are complicit in or somehow responsible for these crimes, we must not be afraid to speak freely about these issues. This is why the EDL will continue to work to protect the inalienable rights of all people to protest against radical Islam’s encroachment into the lives of non-Muslims.

We also recognise that Muslims themselves are frequently the main victims of some Islamic traditions and practices. The Government should protect the individual human rights of members of British Muslims. It should ensure that they can openly criticise Islamic orthodoxy, challenge Islamic leaders without fear of retribution, receive full equality before the law (including equal rights for Muslim women), and leave Islam if they see fit, without fear of censure.

British Muslims should be able to safely demand reform of their religion, in order to make it more relevant to the needs of the modern world and more respectful of other groups in society. It is important that they completely reject the views of those who believe that Islam should be taken in its ‘original’, 7th century form, because these interpretations are the antithesis of Western democracy. The onus should be on British Muslims to overcome the problems that blight their religion and achieve nothing short of an Islamic reformation. In line with this, we should do all that we can to empower those who are willing to take this path. We must also ensure that they do not fear reprisals from those who, in line with these 7th century interpretations, would force sharia law upon them.

The EDL calls upon the Government to repeal legislation that prevents effective freedom of speech, for freedom of speech is essential if the human rights abuses that sometimes manifest themselves around Islam are to be stopped.

We believe that the proponents of radical Islam have a stranglehold on British Muslims. These radicals dominate Muslim organisations, remain key figures in British mosques, and are steadily increasing their influence. Radical Islam keeps British Muslims fearful and isolated, especially the women that it encases in the Burqa. It misrepresents their views, stifles freedom of expression, and indoctrinates their children, whilst continually doing a discredit to those who do wish to peacefully co-exist with their fellow Britons.

(2) DEMOCRACY AND THE RULE OF LAW: Promoting Democracy And The Rule Of Law By Opposing Sharia

The European Court of Human Rights has declared that ‘sharia is incompatible with the fundamental principles of democracy’. Despite this, there are still those who are more than willing to accommodate sharia norms, and who believe that sharia can operate in partnership with our existing traditions and customs. In reality, sharia cannot operate fully as anything other than a complete alternative to our existing legal, political, and social systems. It is a revolution that this country does not want, and one that it must resist. Sharia is most definitely a threat to our democracy.

The operation of Islamic courts, the often unreasonable demand that Islam is given more respect than it is due, and the stealthy incursion of halal meat into the food industry, all demonstrate that sharia is already creeping into our lives. Resentment is already beginning to grow, and could create dangerous divisions if nothing is done. The primacy of British courts must be maintained and defended, fair criticism of religious and political ideologies must be permitted, and consumers must be provided with the information necessary to avoid halal produce should they wish.

Restaurants and fast food chains that do offer halal options should offer non-halal alternatives as well, in order to show respect for other people’s religions, customs, and possible concerns about animal welfare issues (surrounding ritual slaughter). No one should be made to consume halal produce unwittingly, so it must always be labeled – in supermarkets, in restaurants, in schools, and in hospitals – wherever it is available. Free choice in these matters is, after all, a fundamental human right for everybody, not just the Muslim community.

Sharia law makes a fundamental distinction between Muslims and non-Muslims, and the EDL will never allow this sort of iniquitous apartheid to take root in our country. The EDL will therefore oppose sharia appeasement in all its forms, and will actively work to eradicate the sharia-compliant behaviours that are already being adopted, and enforced, in our society.

(3) PUBLIC EDUCATION: Ensuring That The Public Get A Balanced Picture Of Islam

A central part of the EDL’s mission is public education. The British political and media establishment have, for a long time, been presenting a very sanitised and therefore inaccurate view of Islam, shaped by the needs of policy-makers rather than the needs of the public. This has acted as a barrier to informed policy-making and made finding the solution to real problems impossible. In pursuing this self-defeating and destructive policy, the Government has effectively been acting as the propaganda arm of the Muslim Brotherhood. Whether or not is aware of the predicament that it has put itself in, it has so far failed to honestly admit its failures.

We are committed to a campaign of public education to ensure that all aspects of Islam that impact on our society can debated in an open and honest way. Demonisation of Muslims, or of Islam’s critics, adds nothing to the debate. We believe that only by looking at all the facts can society be most effectively and humanly governed. If there are aspects of Muslim tradition that encourage the activities of Islamic radicals and criminals then these need to be properly addressed without fear of accusations of racism, xenophobia, or the even the disingenuous term ‘Islamophobia’.

The public must be provided with a more realistic and less sanitised view of Islam that allows it to ensure that decision-makers are held to account for their policy-making choices, choices that affect the harmony and security of the nation.

The EDL promotes the understanding of Islam and the implications for non-Muslims forced to live alongside it. Islam is not just a religious system, but a political and social ideology that seeks to dominate all non-believers and impose a harsh legal system that rejects democratic accountability and human rights. It runs counter to all that we hold dear within our British liberal democracy, and it must be prepared to change, to conform to secular, liberal ideals and laws, and to contribute to social harmony, rather than causing divisions.


Nothing fascist here.

Arthur.
Most on here have no idea at what the EDL are all about so I'm posting part of our Mission Statement, The English Defence League (EDL) is a human rights organisation that was founded in the wake of the shocking actions of a small group of Muslim extremists who, at a homecoming parade in Luton, openly mocked the sacrifices of our service personnel without any fear of censure. Although these actions were certainly those of a minority, we believe that they reflect other forms of religiously-inspired intolerance and barbarity that are thriving amongst certain sections of the Muslim population in Britain: including, but not limited to, the denigration and oppression of women, the molestation of young children, the committing of so-called honour killings, homophobia, anti-Semitism, and continued support for those responsible for terrorist atrocities. Whilst we must always protect against the unjust assumption that all Muslims are complicit in or somehow responsible for these crimes, we must not be afraid to speak freely about these issues. This is why the EDL will continue to work to protect the inalienable rights of all people to protest against radical Islam’s encroachment into the lives of non-Muslims. We also recognise that Muslims themselves are frequently the main victims of some Islamic traditions and practices. The Government should protect the individual human rights of members of British Muslims. It should ensure that they can openly criticise Islamic orthodoxy, challenge Islamic leaders without fear of retribution, receive full equality before the law (including equal rights for Muslim women), and leave Islam if they see fit, without fear of censure. British Muslims should be able to safely demand reform of their religion, in order to make it more relevant to the needs of the modern world and more respectful of other groups in society. It is important that they completely reject the views of those who believe that Islam should be taken in its ‘original’, 7th century form, because these interpretations are the antithesis of Western democracy. The onus should be on British Muslims to overcome the problems that blight their religion and achieve nothing short of an Islamic reformation. In line with this, we should do all that we can to empower those who are willing to take this path. We must also ensure that they do not fear reprisals from those who, in line with these 7th century interpretations, would force sharia law upon them. The EDL calls upon the Government to repeal legislation that prevents effective freedom of speech, for freedom of speech is essential if the human rights abuses that sometimes manifest themselves around Islam are to be stopped. We believe that the proponents of radical Islam have a stranglehold on British Muslims. These radicals dominate Muslim organisations, remain key figures in British mosques, and are steadily increasing their influence. Radical Islam keeps British Muslims fearful and isolated, especially the women that it encases in the Burqa. It misrepresents their views, stifles freedom of expression, and indoctrinates their children, whilst continually doing a discredit to those who do wish to peacefully co-exist with their fellow Britons. (2) DEMOCRACY AND THE RULE OF LAW: Promoting Democracy And The Rule Of Law By Opposing Sharia The European Court of Human Rights has declared that ‘sharia is incompatible with the fundamental principles of democracy’. Despite this, there are still those who are more than willing to accommodate sharia norms, and who believe that sharia can operate in partnership with our existing traditions and customs. In reality, sharia cannot operate fully as anything other than a complete alternative to our existing legal, political, and social systems. It is a revolution that this country does not want, and one that it must resist. Sharia is most definitely a threat to our democracy. The operation of Islamic courts, the often unreasonable demand that Islam is given more respect than it is due, and the stealthy incursion of halal meat into the food industry, all demonstrate that sharia is already creeping into our lives. Resentment is already beginning to grow, and could create dangerous divisions if nothing is done. The primacy of British courts must be maintained and defended, fair criticism of religious and political ideologies must be permitted, and consumers must be provided with the information necessary to avoid halal produce should they wish. Restaurants and fast food chains that do offer halal options should offer non-halal alternatives as well, in order to show respect for other people’s religions, customs, and possible concerns about animal welfare issues (surrounding ritual slaughter). No one should be made to consume halal produce unwittingly, so it must always be labeled – in supermarkets, in restaurants, in schools, and in hospitals – wherever it is available. Free choice in these matters is, after all, a fundamental human right for everybody, not just the Muslim community. Sharia law makes a fundamental distinction between Muslims and non-Muslims, and the EDL will never allow this sort of iniquitous apartheid to take root in our country. The EDL will therefore oppose sharia appeasement in all its forms, and will actively work to eradicate the sharia-compliant behaviours that are already being adopted, and enforced, in our society. (3) PUBLIC EDUCATION: Ensuring That The Public Get A Balanced Picture Of Islam A central part of the EDL’s mission is public education. The British political and media establishment have, for a long time, been presenting a very sanitised and therefore inaccurate view of Islam, shaped by the needs of policy-makers rather than the needs of the public. This has acted as a barrier to informed policy-making and made finding the solution to real problems impossible. In pursuing this self-defeating and destructive policy, the Government has effectively been acting as the propaganda arm of the Muslim Brotherhood. Whether or not is aware of the predicament that it has put itself in, it has so far failed to honestly admit its failures. We are committed to a campaign of public education to ensure that all aspects of Islam that impact on our society can debated in an open and honest way. Demonisation of Muslims, or of Islam’s critics, adds nothing to the debate. We believe that only by looking at all the facts can society be most effectively and humanly governed. If there are aspects of Muslim tradition that encourage the activities of Islamic radicals and criminals then these need to be properly addressed without fear of accusations of racism, xenophobia, or the even the disingenuous term ‘Islamophobia’. The public must be provided with a more realistic and less sanitised view of Islam that allows it to ensure that decision-makers are held to account for their policy-making choices, choices that affect the harmony and security of the nation. The EDL promotes the understanding of Islam and the implications for non-Muslims forced to live alongside it. Islam is not just a religious system, but a political and social ideology that seeks to dominate all non-believers and impose a harsh legal system that rejects democratic accountability and human rights. It runs counter to all that we hold dear within our British liberal democracy, and it must be prepared to change, to conform to secular, liberal ideals and laws, and to contribute to social harmony, rather than causing divisions. Nothing fascist here. Arthur. Arthur22
  • Score: 2

2:23pm Sat 24 May 14

Arthur22 says...

Here's the rest of our mission statement, nothing fascist or far right in any of that statement.

(4) RESPECTING TRADITION: Promoting The Traditions And Culture Of England While At The Same Time Being Open To Embrace The Best That Other Cultures Can Offer

The EDL believes that English Culture has the right to exist and prosper in England. We recognise that culture is not static, that over time changes take place naturally, and that other cultures make contributions that make our shared culture stronger and more vibrant. However, this does not give license to policy-makers to deliberately undermine our culture and impose non-English cultures on the English people in their own land.

If people migrate to this country then they should be expected to respect our culture, its laws, and its traditions, and not expect their own cultures to be promoted by agencies of the state. The best of their cultures will be absorbed naturally and we will all be united by the enhanced culture that results. The onus should always be on foreign cultures to adapt and integrate. If said cultures promote anti-democratic ideas and refuse to accept the authority of our nation’s laws, then the host nation should not be bowing to these ideas in the name of ’cultural sensitivity’. Law enforcement personnel must be able to enforce the rule of law thoroughly without prejudice or fear. Everyone, after all, is supposed to be equal in the eyes of the law.

The EDL is therefore keen to draw its support from people of all races, all faiths, all political persuasions, and all lifestyle choices. Under its umbrella, all people in England, whatever their background, or origin, can stand united in a desire to stop the imposition of the rules of Islam on non-believers. In order to ensure the continuity of our culture and its institutions, the EDL stands opposed to the creeping Islamisation of our country, because intimately related to the spread of Islamic religion is the political desire to implement an undemocratic alternative to our cherished way of life: the sharia.

Our armed forces stand up and risk their lives every day in order to protect our culture and democratic way of life. They are also reflective of England’s diversity, and are a shining example of what a people can achieve when united together. The EDL is therefore committed to opposing any and all abuse that our men and women in uniform are subjected to, and will campaign for legal remedies to ensure that those working within these important institutions are not exposed to abuse or aggression from within our country.

(5) INTERNATIONAL OUTLOOK: Working In Solidarity With Others Around The World

The EDL is keen to join with others who share our values, wherever they are in the world, and from whatever cultural background they derive. We believe that the demand for sharia is global and therefore needs to be tackled at a global as well as national level, so that this demand will never be succumbed to. The EDL will therefore have an international outlook to enhance and strengthen our domestic efforts, whilst at the same time contributing to the global struggle against Islamic intolerance of Western cultures, customs, religions, politics, and laws. The time for tolerating intolerance has come to an end: it is time for the whole world to unite against a truly Global Jihad.

Peace,
Arthur.
Here's the rest of our mission statement, nothing fascist or far right in any of that statement. (4) RESPECTING TRADITION: Promoting The Traditions And Culture Of England While At The Same Time Being Open To Embrace The Best That Other Cultures Can Offer The EDL believes that English Culture has the right to exist and prosper in England. We recognise that culture is not static, that over time changes take place naturally, and that other cultures make contributions that make our shared culture stronger and more vibrant. However, this does not give license to policy-makers to deliberately undermine our culture and impose non-English cultures on the English people in their own land. If people migrate to this country then they should be expected to respect our culture, its laws, and its traditions, and not expect their own cultures to be promoted by agencies of the state. The best of their cultures will be absorbed naturally and we will all be united by the enhanced culture that results. The onus should always be on foreign cultures to adapt and integrate. If said cultures promote anti-democratic ideas and refuse to accept the authority of our nation’s laws, then the host nation should not be bowing to these ideas in the name of ’cultural sensitivity’. Law enforcement personnel must be able to enforce the rule of law thoroughly without prejudice or fear. Everyone, after all, is supposed to be equal in the eyes of the law. The EDL is therefore keen to draw its support from people of all races, all faiths, all political persuasions, and all lifestyle choices. Under its umbrella, all people in England, whatever their background, or origin, can stand united in a desire to stop the imposition of the rules of Islam on non-believers. In order to ensure the continuity of our culture and its institutions, the EDL stands opposed to the creeping Islamisation of our country, because intimately related to the spread of Islamic religion is the political desire to implement an undemocratic alternative to our cherished way of life: the sharia. Our armed forces stand up and risk their lives every day in order to protect our culture and democratic way of life. They are also reflective of England’s diversity, and are a shining example of what a people can achieve when united together. The EDL is therefore committed to opposing any and all abuse that our men and women in uniform are subjected to, and will campaign for legal remedies to ensure that those working within these important institutions are not exposed to abuse or aggression from within our country. (5) INTERNATIONAL OUTLOOK: Working In Solidarity With Others Around The World The EDL is keen to join with others who share our values, wherever they are in the world, and from whatever cultural background they derive. We believe that the demand for sharia is global and therefore needs to be tackled at a global as well as national level, so that this demand will never be succumbed to. The EDL will therefore have an international outlook to enhance and strengthen our domestic efforts, whilst at the same time contributing to the global struggle against Islamic intolerance of Western cultures, customs, religions, politics, and laws. The time for tolerating intolerance has come to an end: it is time for the whole world to unite against a truly Global Jihad. Peace, Arthur. Arthur22
  • Score: -1

2:38pm Sat 24 May 14

markdunbar says...

Arthur22 wrote:
Here's the rest of our mission statement, nothing fascist or far right in any of that statement.

(4) RESPECTING TRADITION: Promoting The Traditions And Culture Of England While At The Same Time Being Open To Embrace The Best That Other Cultures Can Offer

The EDL believes that English Culture has the right to exist and prosper in England. We recognise that culture is not static, that over time changes take place naturally, and that other cultures make contributions that make our shared culture stronger and more vibrant. However, this does not give license to policy-makers to deliberately undermine our culture and impose non-English cultures on the English people in their own land.

If people migrate to this country then they should be expected to respect our culture, its laws, and its traditions, and not expect their own cultures to be promoted by agencies of the state. The best of their cultures will be absorbed naturally and we will all be united by the enhanced culture that results. The onus should always be on foreign cultures to adapt and integrate. If said cultures promote anti-democratic ideas and refuse to accept the authority of our nation’s laws, then the host nation should not be bowing to these ideas in the name of ’cultural sensitivity’. Law enforcement personnel must be able to enforce the rule of law thoroughly without prejudice or fear. Everyone, after all, is supposed to be equal in the eyes of the law.

The EDL is therefore keen to draw its support from people of all races, all faiths, all political persuasions, and all lifestyle choices. Under its umbrella, all people in England, whatever their background, or origin, can stand united in a desire to stop the imposition of the rules of Islam on non-believers. In order to ensure the continuity of our culture and its institutions, the EDL stands opposed to the creeping Islamisation of our country, because intimately related to the spread of Islamic religion is the political desire to implement an undemocratic alternative to our cherished way of life: the sharia.

Our armed forces stand up and risk their lives every day in order to protect our culture and democratic way of life. They are also reflective of England’s diversity, and are a shining example of what a people can achieve when united together. The EDL is therefore committed to opposing any and all abuse that our men and women in uniform are subjected to, and will campaign for legal remedies to ensure that those working within these important institutions are not exposed to abuse or aggression from within our country.

(5) INTERNATIONAL OUTLOOK: Working In Solidarity With Others Around The World

The EDL is keen to join with others who share our values, wherever they are in the world, and from whatever cultural background they derive. We believe that the demand for sharia is global and therefore needs to be tackled at a global as well as national level, so that this demand will never be succumbed to. The EDL will therefore have an international outlook to enhance and strengthen our domestic efforts, whilst at the same time contributing to the global struggle against Islamic intolerance of Western cultures, customs, religions, politics, and laws. The time for tolerating intolerance has come to an end: it is time for the whole world to unite against a truly Global Jihad.

Peace,
Arthur.
Bringing human rights to a town near you with a pssied up coach tour of local car parks brought to you by a publicly funded police escort. Viva la revolucion.

Mark Dunbar
Essex EDL Regional Leader
[quote][p][bold]Arthur22[/bold] wrote: Here's the rest of our mission statement, nothing fascist or far right in any of that statement. (4) RESPECTING TRADITION: Promoting The Traditions And Culture Of England While At The Same Time Being Open To Embrace The Best That Other Cultures Can Offer The EDL believes that English Culture has the right to exist and prosper in England. We recognise that culture is not static, that over time changes take place naturally, and that other cultures make contributions that make our shared culture stronger and more vibrant. However, this does not give license to policy-makers to deliberately undermine our culture and impose non-English cultures on the English people in their own land. If people migrate to this country then they should be expected to respect our culture, its laws, and its traditions, and not expect their own cultures to be promoted by agencies of the state. The best of their cultures will be absorbed naturally and we will all be united by the enhanced culture that results. The onus should always be on foreign cultures to adapt and integrate. If said cultures promote anti-democratic ideas and refuse to accept the authority of our nation’s laws, then the host nation should not be bowing to these ideas in the name of ’cultural sensitivity’. Law enforcement personnel must be able to enforce the rule of law thoroughly without prejudice or fear. Everyone, after all, is supposed to be equal in the eyes of the law. The EDL is therefore keen to draw its support from people of all races, all faiths, all political persuasions, and all lifestyle choices. Under its umbrella, all people in England, whatever their background, or origin, can stand united in a desire to stop the imposition of the rules of Islam on non-believers. In order to ensure the continuity of our culture and its institutions, the EDL stands opposed to the creeping Islamisation of our country, because intimately related to the spread of Islamic religion is the political desire to implement an undemocratic alternative to our cherished way of life: the sharia. Our armed forces stand up and risk their lives every day in order to protect our culture and democratic way of life. They are also reflective of England’s diversity, and are a shining example of what a people can achieve when united together. The EDL is therefore committed to opposing any and all abuse that our men and women in uniform are subjected to, and will campaign for legal remedies to ensure that those working within these important institutions are not exposed to abuse or aggression from within our country. (5) INTERNATIONAL OUTLOOK: Working In Solidarity With Others Around The World The EDL is keen to join with others who share our values, wherever they are in the world, and from whatever cultural background they derive. We believe that the demand for sharia is global and therefore needs to be tackled at a global as well as national level, so that this demand will never be succumbed to. The EDL will therefore have an international outlook to enhance and strengthen our domestic efforts, whilst at the same time contributing to the global struggle against Islamic intolerance of Western cultures, customs, religions, politics, and laws. The time for tolerating intolerance has come to an end: it is time for the whole world to unite against a truly Global Jihad. Peace, Arthur.[/p][/quote]Bringing human rights to a town near you with a pssied up coach tour of local car parks brought to you by a publicly funded police escort. Viva la revolucion. Mark Dunbar Essex EDL Regional Leader markdunbar
  • Score: 2

8:54am Sun 25 May 14

Joeblogs63 says...

So did these lefty thugs bother to leave a wreath in Lee Rigby's memory, or were they only interested in shouting obscenities at the EDL? Had the EDL not been there then I find it very doubtful if they would have gone anywhere near the memorial. These leftist thugs go under the guise of 'anti-racists' yet you see nothing of them when Muslim preachers of hate are spewing forth their bile on our streets. When white people are attacked and killed by non white racists then where are they then?? If the Christian faith put forward the same totalitarian views that the Muslim faith has then you can bet that these paragons of virtue would be protesting outside every church in the land. Why aren't they taking issue with Islam's view of homosexuals or the suffering an animal goes through when it's ritually slaughtered??? Gutless, self-hating hypocrites. Puppets for those who would otherwise despise them. Cretins who would gladly see their own kind become a minority in their own land. When it comes to bigotry and hate then the EDL are mere beginners in comparison.
So did these lefty thugs bother to leave a wreath in Lee Rigby's memory, or were they only interested in shouting obscenities at the EDL? Had the EDL not been there then I find it very doubtful if they would have gone anywhere near the memorial. These leftist thugs go under the guise of 'anti-racists' yet you see nothing of them when Muslim preachers of hate are spewing forth their bile on our streets. When white people are attacked and killed by non white racists then where are they then?? If the Christian faith put forward the same totalitarian views that the Muslim faith has then you can bet that these paragons of virtue would be protesting outside every church in the land. Why aren't they taking issue with Islam's view of homosexuals or the suffering an animal goes through when it's ritually slaughtered??? Gutless, self-hating hypocrites. Puppets for those who would otherwise despise them. Cretins who would gladly see their own kind become a minority in their own land. When it comes to bigotry and hate then the EDL are mere beginners in comparison. Joeblogs63
  • Score: 2

7:51am Tue 27 May 14

QPRMARK1967 says...

I see someone is posting as me, Hmm ah well.
A few points, the EDL are not political so what would be the political gain?
The EDL was formed after our troops were abused at their homecoming parade by radical Islamic extreamists, Lee was butchered by radical Islamic extreamists! We support all our troops.
Colchester was picked because as an ex soldier it was my last posting, so has personal meaning to me as well as it being the garrison town of Essex.
This was not a demo, it was a silent walk of remembrance , the laying of a wreath to remember Lee and a minutes silence, nothing more.
At least this year the uaf/antifa mob did not trample the tributes already laid on the memorial, however a minutes silence to remember those fallen should be respected by all. We would show the respect if the boot was on the other foot.

The real Mark Dunbar Proud EDL Essex member.
I see someone is posting as me, Hmm ah well. A few points, the EDL are not political so what would be the political gain? The EDL was formed after our troops were abused at their homecoming parade by radical Islamic extreamists, Lee was butchered by radical Islamic extreamists! We support all our troops. Colchester was picked because as an ex soldier it was my last posting, so has personal meaning to me as well as it being the garrison town of Essex. This was not a demo, it was a silent walk of remembrance , the laying of a wreath to remember Lee and a minutes silence, nothing more. At least this year the uaf/antifa mob did not trample the tributes already laid on the memorial, however a minutes silence to remember those fallen should be respected by all. We would show the respect if the boot was on the other foot. The real Mark Dunbar Proud EDL Essex member. QPRMARK1967
  • Score: -1

11:50am Tue 27 May 14

Arthur22 says...

Well done Mark, I was worried by the fake Marks post, pleased it's not real.
NS
Well done Mark, I was worried by the fake Marks post, pleased it's not real. NS Arthur22
  • Score: 0

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