Courts leave pawnbroker out of pocket

Gazette: Jack Pike with some of the stop's electronic stock Jack Pike with some of the stop's electronic stock

A PAWNBROKER says he has lost so much money trying to catch criminals he will no longer help police.

Kevin Fisher, who runs Cash in Hand, in Queen Street, Colchester, said he has lost thousands of pounds by passing on stolen goods to the police.

Despite customers having to provide evidence of purchase, a thumb print, photographic ID as well taking a web cam picture, he later finds some of his stock is on Essex Police’s stolen goods list.

But when he gives police the items and criminals are taken to court and convicted, he is rarely compensated, meaning he is losing thousands of pounds a year.

Now he says he will deny police officers access to his computer system unless they have a warrant from the court.

Mr Fisher said: “It’s getting more and more frequent that we’re losing out."

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2:50pm Mon 19 May 14

wormshero says...

This seems like such a daft move - surely this makes it more appealing to criminals as they may think the chances of being caught are smaller (of course, they won't be, if the police find anything they'll just get a warrant). From a consumer point of view this makes me think there's more chance the goods for sale are stolen than in other pawnbrokers, so I wouldn't consider buying any high value items. I'm not really sure what they gain from doing this; if the police find something stolen then they're obviously going to take it and then take action to find out who sold it to them anyway, and if they take out a warrant for it then it's not exactly going to increase the chance of being compensated. Just seems like an odd move really, and even odder to actually make it public that they're going to effectively add another layer of bureaucracy towards catching the thieves. I'm guessing there's no system in place for checking goods as they come in? Perhaps Essex police should be sharing the stolen good lists with the pawnbrokers. This seems like an odd move regardless, mind you.
This seems like such a daft move - surely this makes it more appealing to criminals as they may think the chances of being caught are smaller (of course, they won't be, if the police find anything they'll just get a warrant). From a consumer point of view this makes me think there's more chance the goods for sale are stolen than in other pawnbrokers, so I wouldn't consider buying any high value items. I'm not really sure what they gain from doing this; if the police find something stolen then they're obviously going to take it and then take action to find out who sold it to them anyway, and if they take out a warrant for it then it's not exactly going to increase the chance of being compensated. Just seems like an odd move really, and even odder to actually make it public that they're going to effectively add another layer of bureaucracy towards catching the thieves. I'm guessing there's no system in place for checking goods as they come in? Perhaps Essex police should be sharing the stolen good lists with the pawnbrokers. This seems like an odd move regardless, mind you. wormshero
  • Score: 11

5:38pm Mon 19 May 14

mirokou says...

And when he's arrested for handling stolen goods an then obstructing police in the lawful execution of their duty, what will he say then?
And when he's arrested for handling stolen goods an then obstructing police in the lawful execution of their duty, what will he say then? mirokou
  • Score: 11

7:12pm Mon 19 May 14

A Very Private Gentleman says...

mirokou wrote:
And when he's arrested for handling stolen goods an then obstructing police in the lawful execution of their duty, what will he say then?
He will not be arrested on the grounds that you mention, because he had taken reasonable steps to authenticate the goods when presented.
The definition of misappropriation has to be proved or disproved in a manner complying with the legal rules governing the subject.
Police must act and be more than a glorified clean up squad. They cannot keep relying on the public to give them clues or do their leg work for them, otherwise we might as well have a two tier style force like they have in europe, comprising of heavy squad boys and the investigation bunch separate from the local beat sheriffs. The French and Italians have a system similar to that.
Its no good commandeering goods without compensation. It is a complicated call for the pawn shop and one I give sympathy to. AVPG:
[quote][p][bold]mirokou[/bold] wrote: And when he's arrested for handling stolen goods an then obstructing police in the lawful execution of their duty, what will he say then?[/p][/quote]He will not be arrested on the grounds that you mention, because he had taken reasonable steps to authenticate the goods when presented. The definition of misappropriation has to be proved or disproved in a manner complying with the legal rules governing the subject. Police must act and be more than a glorified clean up squad. They cannot keep relying on the public to give them clues or do their leg work for them, otherwise we might as well have a two tier style force like they have in europe, comprising of heavy squad boys and the investigation bunch separate from the local beat sheriffs. The French and Italians have a system similar to that. Its no good commandeering goods without compensation. It is a complicated call for the pawn shop and one I give sympathy to. AVPG: A Very Private Gentleman
  • Score: -1

12:20am Tue 20 May 14

helenbach says...

Do you think ALL pawn shops have this problem? possibly not as there are loads of them and few if have gone out of business - .........think this is only half a story - good advertising tho
Do you think ALL pawn shops have this problem? possibly not as there are loads of them and few if have gone out of business - .........think this is only half a story - good advertising tho helenbach
  • Score: 2

7:18pm Tue 20 May 14

Shaneblackdarkknight says...

Kevin u are the robber pal ,, mugging hard up people off by paying them a small fraction of what there goods are worth to line your own pockets ,, I'm glad u have lost a few quid as u make thousands out of people whom have fell on hardship ,,, !!!
Kevin u are the robber pal ,, mugging hard up people off by paying them a small fraction of what there goods are worth to line your own pockets ,, I'm glad u have lost a few quid as u make thousands out of people whom have fell on hardship ,,, !!! Shaneblackdarkknight
  • Score: 1

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