‘Pupils with knives should be excluded’

‘Pupils with knives should be excluded’

‘Pupils with knives should be excluded’

First published in News

A DAD is calling for children caught taking knives into schools to be immediately excluded.

Tom Howell launched a petition calling for the change as he was unhappy with the response by King’s Ford Junior School, in Colchester, after three children took knives into the school.

The pupils’ parents were called and they were sent home after the incident.

But Mr Howell, whose son attends the school, believes the punishment should have been either a temporary or permanent exclusion.

Members of his extended family attend the Corpus Christi Catholic College in Leeds, where teacher Ann Maguire was stabbed to death.

Mr Howell, of Rayner Road, Colchester, has called on the Department for Education to enforce the exclusion rule in his petition at Change.org.

Read the full story in today's Gazette.

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12:39pm Wed 14 May 14

wardyt says...

I quite agree.
I quite agree. wardyt
  • Score: 5

12:44pm Wed 14 May 14

romantic says...

Knives are clearly a very emotive issue at the moment with the killings of Ann Maguire and also James Attfield. But I think the school is taking the right approach. To my mind, there is a world of difference between 10 year olds bringing in a knife to show off to their friends, and, say, a 15 year old carrying a knife with the willingness to use it on somebody.

When I was a kid, we all had knives, albeit normally penknives. Knives are not just for stabbing people! As a 10 year old, there are many uses for a little knife. There is also a certain thrill in the bravado of carrying something which is not allowed. This is what most kids do at some point, it doesn't mean they are potential killers.

Their approach, I believe, has been to speak with the kids and explain to them that school is not the place for a knife. If they do it again, then go to stronger measures. This is the correct way for 10 year olds. For a 15 year old, it is far more clear-cut, because hopefully by then school (and parents) have strongly stated that knives are not acceptable.

Exclusion of kids sounds a panacea for lots of things, but the excluded kids still exist and if they are to have a future, need educating too. There are things which warrant exclusions, both temporary and permanent, but it is not a cure-all step. Excluded kids end up costing us, the taxpayer, far more in the long run.

Better to educate the kids not to carry a knife, but also to learn how to use them properly. We learnt through things like Cubs and Scouts, as well as just playing amongst ourselves. We seem to be a society which takes away every possible danger from kids, but they can end up being more dangerous because they don't have the respect for it (eg fire, knives, scissors etc).

Maybe I am the rose-tinted dinosaur here, harking back to a lost age of innocence, but surely it is better to first make sure kids know that knives have a time and place, not in school bags.
Knives are clearly a very emotive issue at the moment with the killings of Ann Maguire and also James Attfield. But I think the school is taking the right approach. To my mind, there is a world of difference between 10 year olds bringing in a knife to show off to their friends, and, say, a 15 year old carrying a knife with the willingness to use it on somebody. When I was a kid, we all had knives, albeit normally penknives. Knives are not just for stabbing people! As a 10 year old, there are many uses for a little knife. There is also a certain thrill in the bravado of carrying something which is not allowed. This is what most kids do at some point, it doesn't mean they are potential killers. Their approach, I believe, has been to speak with the kids and explain to them that school is not the place for a knife. If they do it again, then go to stronger measures. This is the correct way for 10 year olds. For a 15 year old, it is far more clear-cut, because hopefully by then school (and parents) have strongly stated that knives are not acceptable. Exclusion of kids sounds a panacea for lots of things, but the excluded kids still exist and if they are to have a future, need educating too. There are things which warrant exclusions, both temporary and permanent, but it is not a cure-all step. Excluded kids end up costing us, the taxpayer, far more in the long run. Better to educate the kids not to carry a knife, but also to learn how to use them properly. We learnt through things like Cubs and Scouts, as well as just playing amongst ourselves. We seem to be a society which takes away every possible danger from kids, but they can end up being more dangerous because they don't have the respect for it (eg fire, knives, scissors etc). Maybe I am the rose-tinted dinosaur here, harking back to a lost age of innocence, but surely it is better to first make sure kids know that knives have a time and place, not in school bags. romantic
  • Score: 1

1:07pm Wed 14 May 14

pixiebell87 says...

Chilren should be given one warning then if the bring a knife in again it should be instant & permanent exclusion!!
Chilren should be given one warning then if the bring a knife in again it should be instant & permanent exclusion!! pixiebell87
  • Score: 1

1:25pm Wed 14 May 14

catflap1 says...

pixiebell87 wrote:
Chilren should be given one warning then if the bring a knife in again it should be instant & permanent exclusion!!
@pixiebell87 I suspect that you've never had to deal with a heavily bleeding knife wound so before you proclaim "give them a chance", just think, Stephen Lawrence , Jay Wiston, Philip Lawrence, Ann Maguire.,James Attfield the list unfortunately goes on and on

No warnings, If they're carrying it, they intend to use it. No warning, Prosecute, mandatory 10 year sentence
[quote][p][bold]pixiebell87[/bold] wrote: Chilren should be given one warning then if the bring a knife in again it should be instant & permanent exclusion!![/p][/quote]@pixiebell87 I suspect that you've never had to deal with a heavily bleeding knife wound so before you proclaim "give them a chance", just think, Stephen Lawrence , Jay Wiston, Philip Lawrence, Ann Maguire.,James Attfield the list unfortunately goes on and on No warnings, If they're carrying it, they intend to use it. No warning, Prosecute, mandatory 10 year sentence catflap1
  • Score: 8

1:53pm Wed 14 May 14

pixiebell87 says...

catflap1 wrote:
pixiebell87 wrote:
Chilren should be given one warning then if the bring a knife in again it should be instant & permanent exclusion!!
@pixiebell87 I suspect that you've never had to deal with a heavily bleeding knife wound so before you proclaim "give them a chance", just think, Stephen Lawrence , Jay Wiston, Philip Lawrence, Ann Maguire.,James Attfield the list unfortunately goes on and on

No warnings, If they're carrying it, they intend to use it. No warning, Prosecute, mandatory 10 year sentence
very valid point. guess i had not thought about the fact that if you let them off once chances are they will take advantage and do it again.
[quote][p][bold]catflap1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pixiebell87[/bold] wrote: Chilren should be given one warning then if the bring a knife in again it should be instant & permanent exclusion!![/p][/quote]@pixiebell87 I suspect that you've never had to deal with a heavily bleeding knife wound so before you proclaim "give them a chance", just think, Stephen Lawrence , Jay Wiston, Philip Lawrence, Ann Maguire.,James Attfield the list unfortunately goes on and on No warnings, If they're carrying it, they intend to use it. No warning, Prosecute, mandatory 10 year sentence[/p][/quote]very valid point. guess i had not thought about the fact that if you let them off once chances are they will take advantage and do it again. pixiebell87
  • Score: 5

3:12pm Wed 14 May 14

merlin666 says...

Criminal responsibility in the laws eye's starts at 10. Children younger than this know carrying knives is not acceptable. If the punishment is too lieniant, who's to stop them carrying a knife at 15. If iwere a parent at the school I wold want a clear explanation as to how they handled the situation and why. If they believe they are taking correct measures to ensure the child and piers know the seriousness of the situation and an exclusion is not needed. They need to reassure parents and pupils in this case they need to be upfront and honest.
Criminal responsibility in the laws eye's starts at 10. Children younger than this know carrying knives is not acceptable. If the punishment is too lieniant, who's to stop them carrying a knife at 15. If iwere a parent at the school I wold want a clear explanation as to how they handled the situation and why. If they believe they are taking correct measures to ensure the child and piers know the seriousness of the situation and an exclusion is not needed. They need to reassure parents and pupils in this case they need to be upfront and honest. merlin666
  • Score: 5

4:43pm Wed 14 May 14

merlin666 says...

Just asked my 6yr old what would you do if a clasd mate brought a knife into school. Her response tell my teacher as it could fall out their bag and hurt some one.
Just asked my 6yr old what would you do if a clasd mate brought a knife into school. Her response tell my teacher as it could fall out their bag and hurt some one. merlin666
  • Score: 3

7:26am Thu 15 May 14

MaryPoppins87 says...

If the schools feel this strongly about it, as rightly they should, they should be putting into place a very serious knife education program starting around the age of 8 or 9. They're old enough to understand at that age.
When I was a kid, again like @Romantic said, I had a penknife and only used it to carve my initials in a tree etc. Unfortunately now, even very young children can end up making the fatal mistake of stabbing someone as they are conditioned by violent video games and films they see on tv, or observe their parents watching on tv. The only tv program's I used to watch we're The Famous Five and we didn't have computer games much. Now, I've seen children as young as 7 observe their dads playing Grand Theft Auto, and people wonder why crime goes up. It's very sad. I wish we could bring back innocence like we had.
If the schools feel this strongly about it, as rightly they should, they should be putting into place a very serious knife education program starting around the age of 8 or 9. They're old enough to understand at that age. When I was a kid, again like @Romantic said, I had a penknife and only used it to carve my initials in a tree etc. Unfortunately now, even very young children can end up making the fatal mistake of stabbing someone as they are conditioned by violent video games and films they see on tv, or observe their parents watching on tv. The only tv program's I used to watch we're The Famous Five and we didn't have computer games much. Now, I've seen children as young as 7 observe their dads playing Grand Theft Auto, and people wonder why crime goes up. It's very sad. I wish we could bring back innocence like we had. MaryPoppins87
  • Score: 3

7:44am Fri 16 May 14

A Very Private Gentleman says...

No pupil should be bringing anything like this in schools, expulsion is the only answer. I would have been S**T scared if I knew someone was carrying a knife at school and I went to the toughest and most violent school in this town. You bring a knife to school quite simple you are a nutter. You need to be banned and sent to a secure unit. Anyone in our community caught with a knife should be given an ASBO exclusion order and band from the Borough. Similar to the nuisance order that was issued on Serial Car Scratcher "Warboys". This is not London and we do not want you here. F**K O*F back to London:
AVPG:
No pupil should be bringing anything like this in schools, expulsion is the only answer. I would have been S**T scared if I knew someone was carrying a knife at school and I went to the toughest and most violent school in this town. You bring a knife to school quite simple you are a nutter. You need to be banned and sent to a secure unit. Anyone in our community caught with a knife should be given an ASBO exclusion order and band from the Borough. Similar to the nuisance order that was issued on Serial Car Scratcher "Warboys". This is not London and we do not want you here. F**K O*F back to London: AVPG: A Very Private Gentleman
  • Score: 2

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