Nick Clegg grilled in tuition fees debate in Colchester

Gazette: Nick Clegg at Hazelmere Infant School Nick Clegg at Hazelmere Infant School

DEPUTY Prime Minister Nick Clegg was labelled a “liar” by students during a heated tuition fees debate in Colchester.

The Liberal Democrats leader was in Colchester to launch the party’s European manifesto and faced about an audience of about 40 people.

Most were angry about his party’s u-turn on plans not to increase university tuition fees.

Ruiri Daniel, a first year politics students at Essex University asked: “How can you justify being in Government and lying to the electorate on tuition fees?

“Students are now coming out of university with a massive debt that they are just not going to be able to pay back, which is not at all fair.”

The reforms were put in place in 2012, when tuition fees were trebled to a maximum of £9,000 a year and paid through up front subsidised loans.

It means students do not initially have to pay for their tuition, and must instead pay for it when they begin earning more than £21,000.

But Mr Clegg responded: “The system is more fair now than people think.

“I am not Prime Minister, I did not win the General Election. We came third.

“What you are saying to me is that I am somehow expected to implement every single policing in the Liberal Democrat manifesto when I am in coalition?

“I do not have the right to say that every single policy is going to be delivered.

“Our problem is that when it came to it, the Labour and the Conservative parties agreed more with each other than they did with me, so regardless of our position, changes were going to be made.

“The idea, then, was to devise the fairest system we possibly could.”

Gazette:

'The party of in'

NICK Clegg said Colchester was an apt place to launch his party’s “forward-thinking” European manifesto because it is Britain’s oldest recorded town.

The Deputy Prime Minister also said Colchester has become an important area for the Liberal Democrats in the lead up to the 2015 election.

He said: “There is a particular resonance with launching a forward-thinking manifesto for Britain in the most ancient town in Britain.

“A lot of jobs in Colchester, like elsewhere in Essex, depend on Britain’s place in the European Union.

“People here will have to decide next month [in the European Parliament election] whether they want to reach out into Europe or withdraw into a corner.”

He added: “This is about being part of the world’s largest economy and I believe the people of Colchester will want to have their say.”

Mr Clegg also said Prime Minister David Cameron and Labour leader Ed Milliband are "missing in action" in the fight against European “xenophobes”.

And yesterday, he declared the Liberal Democrats as the "party of in" during European debates.

Speaking at rally at Colchester Town Hall, he said: “Ukip and others have been allowed to peddle their myths unchallenged for decades, claiming that all of our problems would magically disappear if the UK just left the EU.

"But it's a dangerous fantasy. It's the surest way to jeopardise jobs, risk our fragile economic recovery, and it will leave Britain alone and diminished in the world."

Later, he added: “The European Union is not perfect, of course it’s not, it took 15 years to decide what chocolate was and any organisation which does that needs reform.

“But you cannot bring forward reforms if you’re not in it.

“You cannot influence if you’ve got one foot in the door and one foot at the exit.”

He added: "Ed Miliband and David Cameron are now officially Missing in Action - saying the bare minimum in this debate because they are too scared of losing votes to Nigel Farage, because they're so desperate to cover up the deep divisions in their own camps."

Elections for the British members of the European Parliament take place on Thursday, May 22, with results from across the European Union due to be announced on Sunday, May 25.

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12:52pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Boris says...

"he will meet with the public for a question and answer session".
Err, well, not exactly.
The location, announced at the last moment, confirms that Nick Clegg has no wish to meet ordinary Colcestrians. The event is for invited guests only. No banners or placards accusing him of selling out. No heckling.
An event only of interest to Lib Dem party members.
"he will meet with the public for a question and answer session". Err, well, not exactly. The location, announced at the last moment, confirms that Nick Clegg has no wish to meet ordinary Colcestrians. The event is for invited guests only. No banners or placards accusing him of selling out. No heckling. An event only of interest to Lib Dem party members. Boris
  • Score: 25

1:03pm Thu 24 Apr 14

notuagen says...

Would you believe him if you could ask him a question.then there is only so much heckling and jeering an ego that big can stand.
Would you believe him if you could ask him a question.then there is only so much heckling and jeering an ego that big can stand. notuagen
  • Score: 10

2:24pm Thu 24 Apr 14

gizabreak says...

He doesn't want to meet the people of Colchester...they are not daft enough to believe the spin and he wouldn't be able to answer any of their questions anyway. Load of s&@t.
He doesn't want to meet the people of Colchester...they are not daft enough to believe the spin and he wouldn't be able to answer any of their questions anyway. Load of s&@t. gizabreak
  • Score: 14

2:45pm Thu 24 Apr 14

A Very Private Gentleman says...

i heard nigel farage was flying around in a microlight out of earls colne, the aerial banner has the message on it """dont worry nick they are all thick""" whatever you tell them wont stick"""
thats because your doing your spiel at the home of The Teflons.
i heard nigel farage was flying around in a microlight out of earls colne, the aerial banner has the message on it """dont worry nick they are all thick""" whatever you tell them wont stick""" thats because your doing your spiel at the home of The Teflons. A Very Private Gentleman
  • Score: -6

3:13pm Thu 24 Apr 14

gizabreak says...

Sky news website has the "question and answer session" on it..about twenty hand picked people there
Sky news website has the "question and answer session" on it..about twenty hand picked people there gizabreak
  • Score: 2

3:15pm Thu 24 Apr 14

gizabreak says...

On sky timeline 13:01. European elections
On sky timeline 13:01. European elections gizabreak
  • Score: 0

4:15pm Thu 24 Apr 14

AngryManNewTown says...

There was about 42 members of the public there. It was not just for a select few you only had to send a question and ask for a place. It was not full of lib supporters as there was plenty there from the other main parties.
There was about 42 members of the public there. It was not just for a select few you only had to send a question and ask for a place. It was not full of lib supporters as there was plenty there from the other main parties. AngryManNewTown
  • Score: 4

4:41pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Angry of Lexden says...

Now now girls I think you have all been unfair to Gleggie. He has done the more informed amongst us a favour. If there had been a proper Q & A session we would have felt bound to follow it - what could be more tedious! - listening to a Lib dem doing what Lib dem's do all the time, talk without actually saying anything. Who has ever heard a Lib dem make a controversial statement. The hint of what to expect is in the name of the party - Liberal Democrats.

So well done and many thanks Mr. Glegg you can come to Colchester anytime especially if it gives Bob the opportunity to be photographed opening something like a door.
Now now girls I think you have all been unfair to Gleggie. He has done the more informed amongst us a favour. If there had been a proper Q & A session we would have felt bound to follow it - what could be more tedious! - listening to a Lib dem doing what Lib dem's do all the time, talk without actually saying anything. Who has ever heard a Lib dem make a controversial statement. The hint of what to expect is in the name of the party - Liberal Democrats. So well done and many thanks Mr. Glegg you can come to Colchester anytime especially if it gives Bob the opportunity to be photographed opening something like a door. Angry of Lexden
  • Score: -2

5:47pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Jess Jephcott says...

Well I for one would like to thank Nick Clegg and the LibDems for going into a coalition with the Conservatives, thus bringing an end to disastrous Labour led term in office. Thanks to the coalition we now have a steady government with plenty of real jobs (not jobs for the boys at public expense), falling dole queues and a reduction in the growth of national debt. I wouldn't be disappointed if the coalition continued for the next parliament. As a business owner and employer, I am noticing real change for the good, although my tax bill is increasing due to increased turnover and profit. Seems fair to me. All we need to do now is make sure that a Labour government is something that we never return to, especially if its run by those two muppets, Miliband and Balls.
Well I for one would like to thank Nick Clegg and the LibDems for going into a coalition with the Conservatives, thus bringing an end to disastrous Labour led term in office. Thanks to the coalition we now have a steady government with plenty of real jobs (not jobs for the boys at public expense), falling dole queues and a reduction in the growth of national debt. I wouldn't be disappointed if the coalition continued for the next parliament. As a business owner and employer, I am noticing real change for the good, although my tax bill is increasing due to increased turnover and profit. Seems fair to me. All we need to do now is make sure that a Labour government is something that we never return to, especially if its run by those two muppets, Miliband and Balls. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: -14

6:09pm Thu 24 Apr 14

jut1972 says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
Well I for one would like to thank Nick Clegg and the LibDems for going into a coalition with the Conservatives, thus bringing an end to disastrous Labour led term in office. Thanks to the coalition we now have a steady government with plenty of real jobs (not jobs for the boys at public expense), falling dole queues and a reduction in the growth of national debt. I wouldn't be disappointed if the coalition continued for the next parliament. As a business owner and employer, I am noticing real change for the good, although my tax bill is increasing due to increased turnover and profit. Seems fair to me. All we need to do now is make sure that a Labour government is something that we never return to, especially if its run by those two muppets, Miliband and Balls.
not jobs for the boys at public expense?!?!
Are you for real?
The coalition is the biggest Etonian back handing gravy train going!
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: Well I for one would like to thank Nick Clegg and the LibDems for going into a coalition with the Conservatives, thus bringing an end to disastrous Labour led term in office. Thanks to the coalition we now have a steady government with plenty of real jobs (not jobs for the boys at public expense), falling dole queues and a reduction in the growth of national debt. I wouldn't be disappointed if the coalition continued for the next parliament. As a business owner and employer, I am noticing real change for the good, although my tax bill is increasing due to increased turnover and profit. Seems fair to me. All we need to do now is make sure that a Labour government is something that we never return to, especially if its run by those two muppets, Miliband and Balls.[/p][/quote]not jobs for the boys at public expense?!?! Are you for real? The coalition is the biggest Etonian back handing gravy train going! jut1972
  • Score: 12

7:16pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Jess Jephcott says...

..and your point is Jut? Class prejudice is no different to colour prejudice or homophobia. Have you any proof of back handers as, if you have, I suggest you report it to the police? But if, as I suspect, your comment is simple spite and envy, then please come back when you have something intelligent to say.
..and your point is Jut? Class prejudice is no different to colour prejudice or homophobia. Have you any proof of back handers as, if you have, I suggest you report it to the police? But if, as I suspect, your comment is simple spite and envy, then please come back when you have something intelligent to say. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: -17

9:14pm Thu 24 Apr 14

jut1972 says...

No envy Jess, a bit of spite maybe. Spite at a government that has helped millionaires more than the weakest in society.

(p.s. your right class prejudice is a terrible thing but it's not me who is prejudiced, it's the coalition policies).
No envy Jess, a bit of spite maybe. Spite at a government that has helped millionaires more than the weakest in society. (p.s. your right class prejudice is a terrible thing but it's not me who is prejudiced, it's the coalition policies). jut1972
  • Score: 8

10:10pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Angry of Lexden says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
Well I for one would like to thank Nick Clegg and the LibDems for going into a coalition with the Conservatives, thus bringing an end to disastrous Labour led term in office. Thanks to the coalition we now have a steady government with plenty of real jobs (not jobs for the boys at public expense), falling dole queues and a reduction in the growth of national debt. I wouldn't be disappointed if the coalition continued for the next parliament. As a business owner and employer, I am noticing real change for the good, although my tax bill is increasing due to increased turnover and profit. Seems fair to me. All we need to do now is make sure that a Labour government is something that we never return to, especially if its run by those two muppets, Miliband and Balls.
Jess,
You make seriously sound comment. I can't agree more.
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: Well I for one would like to thank Nick Clegg and the LibDems for going into a coalition with the Conservatives, thus bringing an end to disastrous Labour led term in office. Thanks to the coalition we now have a steady government with plenty of real jobs (not jobs for the boys at public expense), falling dole queues and a reduction in the growth of national debt. I wouldn't be disappointed if the coalition continued for the next parliament. As a business owner and employer, I am noticing real change for the good, although my tax bill is increasing due to increased turnover and profit. Seems fair to me. All we need to do now is make sure that a Labour government is something that we never return to, especially if its run by those two muppets, Miliband and Balls.[/p][/quote]Jess, You make seriously sound comment. I can't agree more. Angry of Lexden
  • Score: -5

11:27pm Thu 24 Apr 14

25414nora says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
Well I for one would like to thank Nick Clegg and the LibDems for going into a coalition with the Conservatives, thus bringing an end to disastrous Labour led term in office. Thanks to the coalition we now have a steady government with plenty of real jobs (not jobs for the boys at public expense), falling dole queues and a reduction in the growth of national debt. I wouldn't be disappointed if the coalition continued for the next parliament. As a business owner and employer, I am noticing real change for the good, although my tax bill is increasing due to increased turnover and profit. Seems fair to me. All we need to do now is make sure that a Labour government is something that we never return to, especially if its run by those two muppets, Miliband and Balls.
I wonder if the masses of British people who have had their lives decimated
since the coalition came to government, will be going to the polls in May 2015 and think... 'Right' Jess has experienced increased business profit, and is happy to pay more tax... So lets vote for another 5 years of abject misery?.......Absolu
tely NOT

We all know the previous lot mis-judged the world banking collapse, we all know there was an urgent need for a period of severe austerity, maybe even a change of government.

But why was it only the working class people, and the weakest members of our society who took the full brunt of the vicious tory/ lib cuts?
Human nature being what it is, don't be surprised to see a massive rejection of this dreadful, cruel Tory/ liberal coalition.
and in my opinion:- Rightly So..
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: Well I for one would like to thank Nick Clegg and the LibDems for going into a coalition with the Conservatives, thus bringing an end to disastrous Labour led term in office. Thanks to the coalition we now have a steady government with plenty of real jobs (not jobs for the boys at public expense), falling dole queues and a reduction in the growth of national debt. I wouldn't be disappointed if the coalition continued for the next parliament. As a business owner and employer, I am noticing real change for the good, although my tax bill is increasing due to increased turnover and profit. Seems fair to me. All we need to do now is make sure that a Labour government is something that we never return to, especially if its run by those two muppets, Miliband and Balls.[/p][/quote]I wonder if the masses of British people who have had their lives decimated since the coalition came to government, will be going to the polls in May 2015 and think... 'Right' Jess has experienced increased business profit, and is happy to pay more tax... So lets vote for another 5 years of abject misery?.......Absolu tely NOT We all know the previous lot mis-judged the world banking collapse, we all know there was an urgent need for a period of severe austerity, maybe even a change of government. But why was it only the working class people, and the weakest members of our society who took the full brunt of the vicious tory/ lib cuts? Human nature being what it is, don't be surprised to see a massive rejection of this dreadful, cruel Tory/ liberal coalition. and in my opinion:- Rightly So.. 25414nora
  • Score: 9

11:52pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Angry of Lexden says...

25414nora wrote:
Jess Jephcott wrote:
Well I for one would like to thank Nick Clegg and the LibDems for going into a coalition with the Conservatives, thus bringing an end to disastrous Labour led term in office. Thanks to the coalition we now have a steady government with plenty of real jobs (not jobs for the boys at public expense), falling dole queues and a reduction in the growth of national debt. I wouldn't be disappointed if the coalition continued for the next parliament. As a business owner and employer, I am noticing real change for the good, although my tax bill is increasing due to increased turnover and profit. Seems fair to me. All we need to do now is make sure that a Labour government is something that we never return to, especially if its run by those two muppets, Miliband and Balls.
I wonder if the masses of British people who have had their lives decimated
since the coalition came to government, will be going to the polls in May 2015 and think... 'Right' Jess has experienced increased business profit, and is happy to pay more tax... So lets vote for another 5 years of abject misery?.......Absolu

tely NOT

We all know the previous lot mis-judged the world banking collapse, we all know there was an urgent need for a period of severe austerity, maybe even a change of government.

But why was it only the working class people, and the weakest members of our society who took the full brunt of the vicious tory/ lib cuts?
Human nature being what it is, don't be surprised to see a massive rejection of this dreadful, cruel Tory/ liberal coalition.
and in my opinion:- Rightly So..
My dear Nora, you may well have let your ingrained political attitude/upbringing interfere with your judgement. Like Jess I run a company, its been very tough trying to get over what Brown and Blair's cynical hijack of old labour did for the UK. They let British skills die, and I quote Brown " I welcome inward investment" as he gave away - not even sold - the Crown jewels of technical development to the German and Japanese. My company had no choice but to let skilled people go. But in the last 18 months we have taken staff on again. Within the last 3 months our customer base had shown enough confidence to enable us to invest it product development . My company needs to employ staff for it to be sustainable - you are wrong to even suggest we let valued staff go other than for the possibility to avoid liquidation and hope the firm might survive.
[quote][p][bold]25414nora[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: Well I for one would like to thank Nick Clegg and the LibDems for going into a coalition with the Conservatives, thus bringing an end to disastrous Labour led term in office. Thanks to the coalition we now have a steady government with plenty of real jobs (not jobs for the boys at public expense), falling dole queues and a reduction in the growth of national debt. I wouldn't be disappointed if the coalition continued for the next parliament. As a business owner and employer, I am noticing real change for the good, although my tax bill is increasing due to increased turnover and profit. Seems fair to me. All we need to do now is make sure that a Labour government is something that we never return to, especially if its run by those two muppets, Miliband and Balls.[/p][/quote]I wonder if the masses of British people who have had their lives decimated since the coalition came to government, will be going to the polls in May 2015 and think... 'Right' Jess has experienced increased business profit, and is happy to pay more tax... So lets vote for another 5 years of abject misery?.......Absolu tely NOT We all know the previous lot mis-judged the world banking collapse, we all know there was an urgent need for a period of severe austerity, maybe even a change of government. But why was it only the working class people, and the weakest members of our society who took the full brunt of the vicious tory/ lib cuts? Human nature being what it is, don't be surprised to see a massive rejection of this dreadful, cruel Tory/ liberal coalition. and in my opinion:- Rightly So..[/p][/quote]My dear Nora, you may well have let your ingrained political attitude/upbringing interfere with your judgement. Like Jess I run a company, its been very tough trying to get over what Brown and Blair's cynical hijack of old labour did for the UK. They let British skills die, and I quote Brown " I welcome inward investment" as he gave away - not even sold - the Crown jewels of technical development to the German and Japanese. My company had no choice but to let skilled people go. But in the last 18 months we have taken staff on again. Within the last 3 months our customer base had shown enough confidence to enable us to invest it product development . My company needs to employ staff for it to be sustainable - you are wrong to even suggest we let valued staff go other than for the possibility to avoid liquidation and hope the firm might survive. Angry of Lexden
  • Score: -4

10:04am Fri 25 Apr 14

Shambolic says...

Never forget..it was the Bankers that done it...history has somehow been rewritten. At the time of the crash Cameron openly supported Brown's strategy. Once again, remember the Bankers brought down a thriving economy and have been handsomely rewarded for it by their Tory chums.
Never forget..it was the Bankers that done it...history has somehow been rewritten. At the time of the crash Cameron openly supported Brown's strategy. Once again, remember the Bankers brought down a thriving economy and have been handsomely rewarded for it by their Tory chums. Shambolic
  • Score: 9

10:41am Fri 25 Apr 14

Mark Goacher says...

The reason why the Lib Dems chose to open their campaign in Colchester is that they are scared of losing the Eastern region to the Green Party in the European elections. The Lib Dem candidate Andrew Duff wants to see a United States of Europe and supports TTIP, a new EU trade agreement with the USA which will threaten employment rights and make it very difficult to oppose either zero-hours contacts or fracking. The Lib Dems want the EU to undemocratically impose laws on the UK while the Green Party wants to reform the EU so that decisions are devolved down to local people.
The reason why the Lib Dems chose to open their campaign in Colchester is that they are scared of losing the Eastern region to the Green Party in the European elections. The Lib Dem candidate Andrew Duff wants to see a United States of Europe and supports TTIP, a new EU trade agreement with the USA which will threaten employment rights and make it very difficult to oppose either zero-hours contacts or fracking. The Lib Dems want the EU to undemocratically impose laws on the UK while the Green Party wants to reform the EU so that decisions are devolved down to local people. Mark Goacher
  • Score: 4

11:24am Fri 25 Apr 14

Mark Goacher says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
..and your point is Jut? Class prejudice is no different to colour prejudice or homophobia. Have you any proof of back handers as, if you have, I suggest you report it to the police? But if, as I suspect, your comment is simple spite and envy, then please come back when you have something intelligent to say.
This is absurd. As if resentment of corruption in politics, expenses fiddling and so on in any way equates to homophobia or racism. To suggest that there is any form of parity between these two things is bizarre.
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: ..and your point is Jut? Class prejudice is no different to colour prejudice or homophobia. Have you any proof of back handers as, if you have, I suggest you report it to the police? But if, as I suspect, your comment is simple spite and envy, then please come back when you have something intelligent to say.[/p][/quote]This is absurd. As if resentment of corruption in politics, expenses fiddling and so on in any way equates to homophobia or racism. To suggest that there is any form of parity between these two things is bizarre. Mark Goacher
  • Score: 6

11:30am Fri 25 Apr 14

Mark Goacher says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
Well I for one would like to thank Nick Clegg and the LibDems for going into a coalition with the Conservatives, thus bringing an end to disastrous Labour led term in office. Thanks to the coalition we now have a steady government with plenty of real jobs (not jobs for the boys at public expense), falling dole queues and a reduction in the growth of national debt. I wouldn't be disappointed if the coalition continued for the next parliament. As a business owner and employer, I am noticing real change for the good, although my tax bill is increasing due to increased turnover and profit. Seems fair to me. All we need to do now is make sure that a Labour government is something that we never return to, especially if its run by those two muppets, Miliband and Balls.
Thanks to the coalition government we now have an economy where the largest growth in jobs is in zero-hours contracts where people have no certainty of regular income. We also have a massive growth in food banks and food poverty. In addition we have 75% of our laws imposed on us by the EU. We also have pensions being raided so that people will have to work until they are nearly 70 , struggling through ill health. We also have a whole young generation who face the prospect of massive student debts, never being able to get on the housing ladder and working until they drop. So thanks very much Lib Dems.
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: Well I for one would like to thank Nick Clegg and the LibDems for going into a coalition with the Conservatives, thus bringing an end to disastrous Labour led term in office. Thanks to the coalition we now have a steady government with plenty of real jobs (not jobs for the boys at public expense), falling dole queues and a reduction in the growth of national debt. I wouldn't be disappointed if the coalition continued for the next parliament. As a business owner and employer, I am noticing real change for the good, although my tax bill is increasing due to increased turnover and profit. Seems fair to me. All we need to do now is make sure that a Labour government is something that we never return to, especially if its run by those two muppets, Miliband and Balls.[/p][/quote]Thanks to the coalition government we now have an economy where the largest growth in jobs is in zero-hours contracts where people have no certainty of regular income. We also have a massive growth in food banks and food poverty. In addition we have 75% of our laws imposed on us by the EU. We also have pensions being raided so that people will have to work until they are nearly 70 , struggling through ill health. We also have a whole young generation who face the prospect of massive student debts, never being able to get on the housing ladder and working until they drop. So thanks very much Lib Dems. Mark Goacher
  • Score: 9

11:47am Fri 25 Apr 14

Jess Jephcott says...

The coalition government, with Nick Clegg as an integral part, are working to undo the damage done by your lot Mr Goacher. The trouble with your lot Mr Goacher is that you all think money grows on trees and that by taxing the rich, all will be resolved. People are living longer and should therefore work longer. Seems fair to me, unless they pay into a pension scheme during their working life that enables them to retire early. As to so-called zero-hours contracts, surely it is preferable to being on the dole? As an employer, I cannot guarantee work on a fixed contract basis. I need to win contracts in order to give my employees work to do. No contracts, no work. The Mr Goachers of this world really do live in a dream world, whilst contributing nothing to society in general I suspect.
The coalition government, with Nick Clegg as an integral part, are working to undo the damage done by your lot Mr Goacher. The trouble with your lot Mr Goacher is that you all think money grows on trees and that by taxing the rich, all will be resolved. People are living longer and should therefore work longer. Seems fair to me, unless they pay into a pension scheme during their working life that enables them to retire early. As to so-called zero-hours contracts, surely it is preferable to being on the dole? As an employer, I cannot guarantee work on a fixed contract basis. I need to win contracts in order to give my employees work to do. No contracts, no work. The Mr Goachers of this world really do live in a dream world, whilst contributing nothing to society in general I suspect. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: -8

1:34pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Male Chauvinist Person says...

Emasculated ladies man, no b**s bring back Paddy or Kennedy.
Yes the students were sold out by they yellow perils.
And what about you Sir Robbo Russell???
Emasculated ladies man, no b**s bring back Paddy or Kennedy. Yes the students were sold out by they yellow perils. And what about you Sir Robbo Russell??? Male Chauvinist Person
  • Score: 6

2:12pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Reginald47 says...

Boris wrote:
"he will meet with the public for a question and answer session". Err, well, not exactly. The location, announced at the last moment, confirms that Nick Clegg has no wish to meet ordinary Colcestrians. The event is for invited guests only. No banners or placards accusing him of selling out. No heckling. An event only of interest to Lib Dem party members.
The event at the Weston Homes Community Stadium was organised by Heart Radio, not the Liberal Democrats, and as this whole story is hinged on the fact that he was grlled by and, indeed, called a liar by members of the audience I hardly think they were hand-picked by the Liberal Democrats. However the earlier event at the Town Hall was for Liberal Democrats, of course.
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: "he will meet with the public for a question and answer session". Err, well, not exactly. The location, announced at the last moment, confirms that Nick Clegg has no wish to meet ordinary Colcestrians. The event is for invited guests only. No banners or placards accusing him of selling out. No heckling. An event only of interest to Lib Dem party members.[/p][/quote]The event at the Weston Homes Community Stadium was organised by Heart Radio, not the Liberal Democrats, and as this whole story is hinged on the fact that he was grlled by and, indeed, called a liar by members of the audience I hardly think they were hand-picked by the Liberal Democrats. However the earlier event at the Town Hall was for Liberal Democrats, of course. Reginald47
  • Score: -2

2:17pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Reginald47 says...

Mark Goacher wrote:
Jess Jephcott wrote: Well I for one would like to thank Nick Clegg and the LibDems for going into a coalition with the Conservatives, thus bringing an end to disastrous Labour led term in office. Thanks to the coalition we now have a steady government with plenty of real jobs (not jobs for the boys at public expense), falling dole queues and a reduction in the growth of national debt. I wouldn't be disappointed if the coalition continued for the next parliament. As a business owner and employer, I am noticing real change for the good, although my tax bill is increasing due to increased turnover and profit. Seems fair to me. All we need to do now is make sure that a Labour government is something that we never return to, especially if its run by those two muppets, Miliband and Balls.
Thanks to the coalition government we now have an economy where the largest growth in jobs is in zero-hours contracts where people have no certainty of regular income. We also have a massive growth in food banks and food poverty. In addition we have 75% of our laws imposed on us by the EU. We also have pensions being raided so that people will have to work until they are nearly 70 , struggling through ill health. We also have a whole young generation who face the prospect of massive student debts, never being able to get on the housing ladder and working until they drop. So thanks very much Lib Dems.
All due, of course, to Tony Blair (a war criminal to boot in some people's eyes) and the useless Gordon Brown not having the guts to reign in the banks when they ran riot during the global financial crisis and making it worse by going on a spending spree the country couldn't afford.
[quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: Well I for one would like to thank Nick Clegg and the LibDems for going into a coalition with the Conservatives, thus bringing an end to disastrous Labour led term in office. Thanks to the coalition we now have a steady government with plenty of real jobs (not jobs for the boys at public expense), falling dole queues and a reduction in the growth of national debt. I wouldn't be disappointed if the coalition continued for the next parliament. As a business owner and employer, I am noticing real change for the good, although my tax bill is increasing due to increased turnover and profit. Seems fair to me. All we need to do now is make sure that a Labour government is something that we never return to, especially if its run by those two muppets, Miliband and Balls.[/p][/quote]Thanks to the coalition government we now have an economy where the largest growth in jobs is in zero-hours contracts where people have no certainty of regular income. We also have a massive growth in food banks and food poverty. In addition we have 75% of our laws imposed on us by the EU. We also have pensions being raided so that people will have to work until they are nearly 70 , struggling through ill health. We also have a whole young generation who face the prospect of massive student debts, never being able to get on the housing ladder and working until they drop. So thanks very much Lib Dems.[/p][/quote]All due, of course, to Tony Blair (a war criminal to boot in some people's eyes) and the useless Gordon Brown not having the guts to reign in the banks when they ran riot during the global financial crisis and making it worse by going on a spending spree the country couldn't afford. Reginald47
  • Score: 0

4:21pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Mark Goacher says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
The coalition government, with Nick Clegg as an integral part, are working to undo the damage done by your lot Mr Goacher. The trouble with your lot Mr Goacher is that you all think money grows on trees and that by taxing the rich, all will be resolved. People are living longer and should therefore work longer. Seems fair to me, unless they pay into a pension scheme during their working life that enables them to retire early. As to so-called zero-hours contracts, surely it is preferable to being on the dole? As an employer, I cannot guarantee work on a fixed contract basis. I need to win contracts in order to give my employees work to do. No contracts, no work. The Mr Goachers of this world really do live in a dream world, whilst contributing nothing to society in general I suspect.
In other words, the main beneficiaries of the Lib-Dem/Coalition so-called economic recovery are unscrupulous employers who wish to employ people on zero-hours contracts which deny their workforce a regular income. All at the same time as fuel bills are being hiked, which the Lib Dems refuse to do anything about. The Lib Dems make policy to benefit big business not communities. In a Lib Dem world we'd all be part of a United States of Europe with decisions made in Brussels to benefit big business and the workforce having to work until 70 on zero-hours contracts, while relying on food banks when things get tough. Young people would still be unable to get on the housing ladder while at the same time the countryside disappears under housing estates comprised of houses no one can afford.
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: The coalition government, with Nick Clegg as an integral part, are working to undo the damage done by your lot Mr Goacher. The trouble with your lot Mr Goacher is that you all think money grows on trees and that by taxing the rich, all will be resolved. People are living longer and should therefore work longer. Seems fair to me, unless they pay into a pension scheme during their working life that enables them to retire early. As to so-called zero-hours contracts, surely it is preferable to being on the dole? As an employer, I cannot guarantee work on a fixed contract basis. I need to win contracts in order to give my employees work to do. No contracts, no work. The Mr Goachers of this world really do live in a dream world, whilst contributing nothing to society in general I suspect.[/p][/quote]In other words, the main beneficiaries of the Lib-Dem/Coalition so-called economic recovery are unscrupulous employers who wish to employ people on zero-hours contracts which deny their workforce a regular income. All at the same time as fuel bills are being hiked, which the Lib Dems refuse to do anything about. The Lib Dems make policy to benefit big business not communities. In a Lib Dem world we'd all be part of a United States of Europe with decisions made in Brussels to benefit big business and the workforce having to work until 70 on zero-hours contracts, while relying on food banks when things get tough. Young people would still be unable to get on the housing ladder while at the same time the countryside disappears under housing estates comprised of houses no one can afford. Mark Goacher
  • Score: 8

4:25pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Mark Goacher says...

Reginald47 wrote:
Mark Goacher wrote:
Jess Jephcott wrote: Well I for one would like to thank Nick Clegg and the LibDems for going into a coalition with the Conservatives, thus bringing an end to disastrous Labour led term in office. Thanks to the coalition we now have a steady government with plenty of real jobs (not jobs for the boys at public expense), falling dole queues and a reduction in the growth of national debt. I wouldn't be disappointed if the coalition continued for the next parliament. As a business owner and employer, I am noticing real change for the good, although my tax bill is increasing due to increased turnover and profit. Seems fair to me. All we need to do now is make sure that a Labour government is something that we never return to, especially if its run by those two muppets, Miliband and Balls.
Thanks to the coalition government we now have an economy where the largest growth in jobs is in zero-hours contracts where people have no certainty of regular income. We also have a massive growth in food banks and food poverty. In addition we have 75% of our laws imposed on us by the EU. We also have pensions being raided so that people will have to work until they are nearly 70 , struggling through ill health. We also have a whole young generation who face the prospect of massive student debts, never being able to get on the housing ladder and working until they drop. So thanks very much Lib Dems.
All due, of course, to Tony Blair (a war criminal to boot in some people's eyes) and the useless Gordon Brown not having the guts to reign in the banks when they ran riot during the global financial crisis and making it worse by going on a spending spree the country couldn't afford.
And the Lib Dem/Coalition solution to the economic crisis caused by deregulation of the banks is..... further deregulation. Its like saying that the way to put out a fire is to pour some petrol on it. The Lib Dems complain about Blair and Brown being too liberal with the banks and their solution is....... be even more liberal. No wonder people are disillusioned with politics.
[quote][p][bold]Reginald47[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: Well I for one would like to thank Nick Clegg and the LibDems for going into a coalition with the Conservatives, thus bringing an end to disastrous Labour led term in office. Thanks to the coalition we now have a steady government with plenty of real jobs (not jobs for the boys at public expense), falling dole queues and a reduction in the growth of national debt. I wouldn't be disappointed if the coalition continued for the next parliament. As a business owner and employer, I am noticing real change for the good, although my tax bill is increasing due to increased turnover and profit. Seems fair to me. All we need to do now is make sure that a Labour government is something that we never return to, especially if its run by those two muppets, Miliband and Balls.[/p][/quote]Thanks to the coalition government we now have an economy where the largest growth in jobs is in zero-hours contracts where people have no certainty of regular income. We also have a massive growth in food banks and food poverty. In addition we have 75% of our laws imposed on us by the EU. We also have pensions being raided so that people will have to work until they are nearly 70 , struggling through ill health. We also have a whole young generation who face the prospect of massive student debts, never being able to get on the housing ladder and working until they drop. So thanks very much Lib Dems.[/p][/quote]All due, of course, to Tony Blair (a war criminal to boot in some people's eyes) and the useless Gordon Brown not having the guts to reign in the banks when they ran riot during the global financial crisis and making it worse by going on a spending spree the country couldn't afford.[/p][/quote]And the Lib Dem/Coalition solution to the economic crisis caused by deregulation of the banks is..... further deregulation. Its like saying that the way to put out a fire is to pour some petrol on it. The Lib Dems complain about Blair and Brown being too liberal with the banks and their solution is....... be even more liberal. No wonder people are disillusioned with politics. Mark Goacher
  • Score: 7

5:16pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Jess Jephcott says...

You just don't get it do you Mr Goacher? Employers are not unscrupulous. The public sector doesn't need to make a profit as it leeches off the private sector for its money supply. The private sector has to make a profit to survive and has to pay for the privilege of employing people. I guess you are of the rose tinted former group where making a profit has never visited you.
You just don't get it do you Mr Goacher? Employers are not unscrupulous. The public sector doesn't need to make a profit as it leeches off the private sector for its money supply. The private sector has to make a profit to survive and has to pay for the privilege of employing people. I guess you are of the rose tinted former group where making a profit has never visited you. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: -2

6:27pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Mark Goacher says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
You just don't get it do you Mr Goacher? Employers are not unscrupulous. The public sector doesn't need to make a profit as it leeches off the private sector for its money supply. The private sector has to make a profit to survive and has to pay for the privilege of employing people. I guess you are of the rose tinted former group where making a profit has never visited you.
It works both ways. The private sector needs the public sector to survive. Without free education, a giant childminding service, the private sector would lose its workforce. Without public sector workers going out and spending, and so stimulating demand in the economy, more businesses would struggle to sell their products and have to downsize. Public sector spending powers up the economy by stimulating demand.
Also it is perfectly possible to make a profit and pay the workforce a living wage. The two things are not mutually exclusive, as you suggest. Its interesting though to see that Lib Dem supporters think that they are and that the only way to make a profit is to use Zero-hours contracts.
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: You just don't get it do you Mr Goacher? Employers are not unscrupulous. The public sector doesn't need to make a profit as it leeches off the private sector for its money supply. The private sector has to make a profit to survive and has to pay for the privilege of employing people. I guess you are of the rose tinted former group where making a profit has never visited you.[/p][/quote]It works both ways. The private sector needs the public sector to survive. Without free education, a giant childminding service, the private sector would lose its workforce. Without public sector workers going out and spending, and so stimulating demand in the economy, more businesses would struggle to sell their products and have to downsize. Public sector spending powers up the economy by stimulating demand. Also it is perfectly possible to make a profit and pay the workforce a living wage. The two things are not mutually exclusive, as you suggest. Its interesting though to see that Lib Dem supporters think that they are and that the only way to make a profit is to use Zero-hours contracts. Mark Goacher
  • Score: 4

6:40pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Mark Goacher says...

What Mr Clegg really needs to do is examine the Lib Dems policies and see whether they chime with the public. Their main policies are:

1) The EU: Give in to everything the Eurocrats want and oppose a referendum. Create a United States of Europe with Brussels running UK foreign policy.

2) Immigation: Complete open-door immigration.

3) The Economy: Allow zero-hours contracts and drive down average wages. Let the energy companies raise bills as high as they want. Defend the energy companies.

4) Health: Privatise more of the NHS.

5) The Environment: Scrap all planning regulations and concrete over the countryside.

6) Education: Tuition fees and cuts to teachers' salaries and pensions. Run state schools on the cheap and use the private sector for your own kids.

How many of this list strike a chord with the public mood?
What Mr Clegg really needs to do is examine the Lib Dems policies and see whether they chime with the public. Their main policies are: 1) The EU: Give in to everything the Eurocrats want and oppose a referendum. Create a United States of Europe with Brussels running UK foreign policy. 2) Immigation: Complete open-door immigration. 3) The Economy: Allow zero-hours contracts and drive down average wages. Let the energy companies raise bills as high as they want. Defend the energy companies. 4) Health: Privatise more of the NHS. 5) The Environment: Scrap all planning regulations and concrete over the countryside. 6) Education: Tuition fees and cuts to teachers' salaries and pensions. Run state schools on the cheap and use the private sector for your own kids. How many of this list strike a chord with the public mood? Mark Goacher
  • Score: 8

10:37am Sat 26 Apr 14

RU Sirius says...

Mark Goacher wrote:
What Mr Clegg really needs to do is examine the Lib Dems policies and see whether they chime with the public. Their main policies are:

1) The EU: Give in to everything the Eurocrats want and oppose a referendum. Create a United States of Europe with Brussels running UK foreign policy.

2) Immigation: Complete open-door immigration.

3) The Economy: Allow zero-hours contracts and drive down average wages. Let the energy companies raise bills as high as they want. Defend the energy companies.

4) Health: Privatise more of the NHS.

5) The Environment: Scrap all planning regulations and concrete over the countryside.

6) Education: Tuition fees and cuts to teachers' salaries and pensions. Run state schools on the cheap and use the private sector for your own kids.

How many of this list strike a chord with the public mood?
Given that exactly zero of that list of policies are Lib Dem policies, I have no idea what point you're trying to make. (And if you're going to claim they are, show us where they are on http://www.libdems.o
rg.uk/, don't just lie)
[quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: What Mr Clegg really needs to do is examine the Lib Dems policies and see whether they chime with the public. Their main policies are: 1) The EU: Give in to everything the Eurocrats want and oppose a referendum. Create a United States of Europe with Brussels running UK foreign policy. 2) Immigation: Complete open-door immigration. 3) The Economy: Allow zero-hours contracts and drive down average wages. Let the energy companies raise bills as high as they want. Defend the energy companies. 4) Health: Privatise more of the NHS. 5) The Environment: Scrap all planning regulations and concrete over the countryside. 6) Education: Tuition fees and cuts to teachers' salaries and pensions. Run state schools on the cheap and use the private sector for your own kids. How many of this list strike a chord with the public mood?[/p][/quote]Given that exactly zero of that list of policies are Lib Dem policies, I have no idea what point you're trying to make. (And if you're going to claim they are, show us where they are on http://www.libdems.o rg.uk/, don't just lie) RU Sirius
  • Score: 1

5:16pm Sat 26 Apr 14

Mark Goacher says...

RU Sirius wrote:
Mark Goacher wrote: What Mr Clegg really needs to do is examine the Lib Dems policies and see whether they chime with the public. Their main policies are: 1) The EU: Give in to everything the Eurocrats want and oppose a referendum. Create a United States of Europe with Brussels running UK foreign policy. 2) Immigation: Complete open-door immigration. 3) The Economy: Allow zero-hours contracts and drive down average wages. Let the energy companies raise bills as high as they want. Defend the energy companies. 4) Health: Privatise more of the NHS. 5) The Environment: Scrap all planning regulations and concrete over the countryside. 6) Education: Tuition fees and cuts to teachers' salaries and pensions. Run state schools on the cheap and use the private sector for your own kids. How many of this list strike a chord with the public mood?
Given that exactly zero of that list of policies are Lib Dem policies, I have no idea what point you're trying to make. (And if you're going to claim they are, show us where they are on http://www.libdems.o rg.uk/, don't just lie)
Clearly Libdems.org.uk is going to present policies in the most positive spin possible. HOwever regarding the list:

1) Europe. The Lib Dem Euro candidate Andrew Duff wants a federal Europe. Federal refers to a system where the core foreign policy is run centrally with some powers devolved out to member states on other matters. The Lib Dems of course won't spell this out overtly as it is too controversial, hence they hide behind terminology such as 'federal'.

2) Immigration. The Lib Dems have opposed every attempt by their coalition partners to limit non-EU immigration to a set amount. And they support open-door EU immigration. Vice Cable is on record as saying that limiting both forms of immigration is bad for business.

3) Economy. The Lib Dems support TTIP, a transatlantic trade treaty with the USA which would set up special courts with the power to overule the UK government on issues which would 'damage trade'. This would include challenging zero-hours contracts, price controls,unwanted major developments and fracking. Again their website is unlikely to spell this out clearly as it would be unattractive to voters.

4) The Lib Dems produced a book of ideas a few years back called 'The Orange Book'. Its authors included Nick Clegg, David Laws and Vince Cable. Policies advocated include the privatisation of the NHS.

5) The Lib Dems, along with Conservative Housing Minister Nick Boles, have scrapped virtually all planning protection for the ordinary countryside. A document of 5000 pages has been reduced to 50 pages in order to facilitate huge housing and industrial developments on greenfield land. Again this will never appear on their website (I wonder why).

6) The Lib Dem website DOES defend tuition fees. See the link on the main page. Also the Lib Dems (including Bob Russell) voted for the attacks on teachers pensions.
[quote][p][bold]RU Sirius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: What Mr Clegg really needs to do is examine the Lib Dems policies and see whether they chime with the public. Their main policies are: 1) The EU: Give in to everything the Eurocrats want and oppose a referendum. Create a United States of Europe with Brussels running UK foreign policy. 2) Immigation: Complete open-door immigration. 3) The Economy: Allow zero-hours contracts and drive down average wages. Let the energy companies raise bills as high as they want. Defend the energy companies. 4) Health: Privatise more of the NHS. 5) The Environment: Scrap all planning regulations and concrete over the countryside. 6) Education: Tuition fees and cuts to teachers' salaries and pensions. Run state schools on the cheap and use the private sector for your own kids. How many of this list strike a chord with the public mood?[/p][/quote]Given that exactly zero of that list of policies are Lib Dem policies, I have no idea what point you're trying to make. (And if you're going to claim they are, show us where they are on http://www.libdems.o rg.uk/, don't just lie)[/p][/quote]Clearly Libdems.org.uk is going to present policies in the most positive spin possible. HOwever regarding the list: 1) Europe. The Lib Dem Euro candidate Andrew Duff wants a federal Europe. Federal refers to a system where the core foreign policy is run centrally with some powers devolved out to member states on other matters. The Lib Dems of course won't spell this out overtly as it is too controversial, hence they hide behind terminology such as 'federal'. 2) Immigration. The Lib Dems have opposed every attempt by their coalition partners to limit non-EU immigration to a set amount. And they support open-door EU immigration. Vice Cable is on record as saying that limiting both forms of immigration is bad for business. 3) Economy. The Lib Dems support TTIP, a transatlantic trade treaty with the USA which would set up special courts with the power to overule the UK government on issues which would 'damage trade'. This would include challenging zero-hours contracts, price controls,unwanted major developments and fracking. Again their website is unlikely to spell this out clearly as it would be unattractive to voters. 4) The Lib Dems produced a book of ideas a few years back called 'The Orange Book'. Its authors included Nick Clegg, David Laws and Vince Cable. Policies advocated include the privatisation of the NHS. 5) The Lib Dems, along with Conservative Housing Minister Nick Boles, have scrapped virtually all planning protection for the ordinary countryside. A document of 5000 pages has been reduced to 50 pages in order to facilitate huge housing and industrial developments on greenfield land. Again this will never appear on their website (I wonder why). 6) The Lib Dem website DOES defend tuition fees. See the link on the main page. Also the Lib Dems (including Bob Russell) voted for the attacks on teachers pensions. Mark Goacher
  • Score: 4

5:42pm Sat 26 Apr 14

Angry of Lexden says...

Hello RU,
Have to say Mark's response seems fairly convincing, and in line with my chats "lib demers".
Hello RU, Have to say Mark's response seems fairly convincing, and in line with my chats "lib demers". Angry of Lexden
  • Score: 1

6:32pm Sat 26 Apr 14

Mark Goacher says...

I thought I'd add a link to the Wikipedia page about the Orange Book (see below)

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/The_Orange_
Book:_Reclaiming_Lib
eralism

Its authors are mostly now leading figures within the Lib Dems (obviously not Chris Huhne), Clegg, Cable etc. It basically advicates moving away from 'New Liberalism' ie the Lloyd-George/Asquith approach of social justice via welfare provision such as in healthcare and back to Classical or Gladstonian Liberalism ie Laissez Faire, let the poor go to the wall type stuff.
I thought I'd add a link to the Wikipedia page about the Orange Book (see below) http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/The_Orange_ Book:_Reclaiming_Lib eralism Its authors are mostly now leading figures within the Lib Dems (obviously not Chris Huhne), Clegg, Cable etc. It basically advicates moving away from 'New Liberalism' ie the Lloyd-George/Asquith approach of social justice via welfare provision such as in healthcare and back to Classical or Gladstonian Liberalism ie Laissez Faire, let the poor go to the wall type stuff. Mark Goacher
  • Score: 2

6:41pm Sat 26 Apr 14

Angry of Lexden says...

Mark Goacher wrote:
I thought I'd add a link to the Wikipedia page about the Orange Book (see below)

http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/The_Orange_

Book:_Reclaiming_Lib

eralism

Its authors are mostly now leading figures within the Lib Dems (obviously not Chris Huhne), Clegg, Cable etc. It basically advicates moving away from 'New Liberalism' ie the Lloyd-George/Asquith approach of social justice via welfare provision such as in healthcare and back to Classical or Gladstonian Liberalism ie Laissez Faire, let the poor go to the wall type stuff.
I will look at this after my Co-op pizza and fine wine.

Have a super evening.
[quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: I thought I'd add a link to the Wikipedia page about the Orange Book (see below) http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/The_Orange_ Book:_Reclaiming_Lib eralism Its authors are mostly now leading figures within the Lib Dems (obviously not Chris Huhne), Clegg, Cable etc. It basically advicates moving away from 'New Liberalism' ie the Lloyd-George/Asquith approach of social justice via welfare provision such as in healthcare and back to Classical or Gladstonian Liberalism ie Laissez Faire, let the poor go to the wall type stuff.[/p][/quote]I will look at this after my Co-op pizza and fine wine. Have a super evening. Angry of Lexden
  • Score: 0

8:58pm Sat 26 Apr 14

Male Chauvinist Person says...

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/education-2712
9366

if you read the above bbc article it has never been about the money for us, its been about saving the state the funds.
they calculate they will only get back 57 pence in the pound back.
its only made 5% difference to the coffers pre 2012.
he did anything to be come deputy dog on the backs of hard working liberals like me.
there have been very few politicians that have said no and walked out, those that have, can be counted as real heroes and probably on two hands.
most are spineless yes men and liars. there were exceptions-
tony benn: ming campbell: dennis skinner: john smith: even dare i say it mike portillo had some bal*s.
the students have been shat on from a great height and we will all live to pay the current fixing and capping of education subsidy, to our peril and detriment.
taking in chinese students because of the money is a a very dangerous precedent and protocol. they are already talking the other day about building 100 aircraft carriers to load their new stealth jets on.
Sabre rattling about Chinese sovereignty and respect.
our education and tech wizardry we hand over to them, for the sake of money will come back to bite us on the backside, at the expense of forsaking our own flesh and blood brothers and sisters.
http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/education-2712 9366 if you read the above bbc article it has never been about the money for us, its been about saving the state the funds. they calculate they will only get back 57 pence in the pound back. its only made 5% difference to the coffers pre 2012. he did anything to be come deputy dog on the backs of hard working liberals like me. there have been very few politicians that have said no and walked out, those that have, can be counted as real heroes and probably on two hands. most are spineless yes men and liars. there were exceptions- tony benn: ming campbell: dennis skinner: john smith: even dare i say it mike portillo had some bal*s. the students have been shat on from a great height and we will all live to pay the current fixing and capping of education subsidy, to our peril and detriment. taking in chinese students because of the money is a a very dangerous precedent and protocol. they are already talking the other day about building 100 aircraft carriers to load their new stealth jets on. Sabre rattling about Chinese sovereignty and respect. our education and tech wizardry we hand over to them, for the sake of money will come back to bite us on the backside, at the expense of forsaking our own flesh and blood brothers and sisters. Male Chauvinist Person
  • Score: 1

10:23pm Sat 26 Apr 14

RU Sirius says...

1) First, you clearly don't understand what federalism means, and anyway Andrew Duff is one person, not the entire party. I understand that you're a Green Party candidate in the local elections, so by your standards that means everything you say or believe is exactly the same as Green Party policy. Is that the case?

2) So, do you (and the Green Party) support the Tory/UKIP line on immigration?

3) TTIP is still being negotiated, and any agreement will have to go through many levels of democratic approval on both sides of the Atlantic. Are you claiming you can see the future and know exactly how it will end up?

4) incorrect. The Orange Book was not 'published by the Lib Dems', as you'd know if you actually read the page you linked to. Again, the views of individuals who are members of a party are not necessarily that party's policy - as another example, are the ideas Douglas Carswell has put forward in books the same as Conservative Party policy?

5) Assertions are not evidence.

6) Again, you fail to show where Lib Dem policy (and that's what you claimed all these assertions were, and still haven't provided evidence for) is for "cuts to teachers' salaries and pensions. Run state schools on the cheap and use the private sector for your own kids."

So, do you want to debate reality, or your fantasies?
1) First, you clearly don't understand what federalism means, and anyway Andrew Duff is one person, not the entire party. I understand that you're a Green Party candidate in the local elections, so by your standards that means everything you say or believe is exactly the same as Green Party policy. Is that the case? 2) So, do you (and the Green Party) support the Tory/UKIP line on immigration? 3) TTIP is still being negotiated, and any agreement will have to go through many levels of democratic approval on both sides of the Atlantic. Are you claiming you can see the future and know exactly how it will end up? 4) incorrect. The Orange Book was not 'published by the Lib Dems', as you'd know if you actually read the page you linked to. Again, the views of individuals who are members of a party are not necessarily that party's policy - as another example, are the ideas Douglas Carswell has put forward in books the same as Conservative Party policy? 5) Assertions are not evidence. 6) Again, you fail to show where Lib Dem policy (and that's what you claimed all these assertions were, and still haven't provided evidence for) is for "cuts to teachers' salaries and pensions. Run state schools on the cheap and use the private sector for your own kids." So, do you want to debate reality, or your fantasies? RU Sirius
  • Score: -1

11:20pm Sat 26 Apr 14

Angry of Lexden says...

RU Sirius wrote:
1) First, you clearly don't understand what federalism means, and anyway Andrew Duff is one person, not the entire party. I understand that you're a Green Party candidate in the local elections, so by your standards that means everything you say or believe is exactly the same as Green Party policy. Is that the case?

2) So, do you (and the Green Party) support the Tory/UKIP line on immigration?

3) TTIP is still being negotiated, and any agreement will have to go through many levels of democratic approval on both sides of the Atlantic. Are you claiming you can see the future and know exactly how it will end up?

4) incorrect. The Orange Book was not 'published by the Lib Dems', as you'd know if you actually read the page you linked to. Again, the views of individuals who are members of a party are not necessarily that party's policy - as another example, are the ideas Douglas Carswell has put forward in books the same as Conservative Party policy?

5) Assertions are not evidence.

6) Again, you fail to show where Lib Dem policy (and that's what you claimed all these assertions were, and still haven't provided evidence for) is for "cuts to teachers' salaries and pensions. Run state schools on the cheap and use the private sector for your own kids."

So, do you want to debate reality, or your fantasies?
Hi RU,
Just read your note, and I know your heart is in it.

My problem with the detail of your response is that I believe, from my personal experience, that we need leadership and a firm contracted decision making process now.

What we can't afford is the luxury of protracted liberal and democratic negotiation on every grain of detail - the result would be a myriad of self generating committees, loads of paper and numerous blurred options.

"Action this day"
[quote][p][bold]RU Sirius[/bold] wrote: 1) First, you clearly don't understand what federalism means, and anyway Andrew Duff is one person, not the entire party. I understand that you're a Green Party candidate in the local elections, so by your standards that means everything you say or believe is exactly the same as Green Party policy. Is that the case? 2) So, do you (and the Green Party) support the Tory/UKIP line on immigration? 3) TTIP is still being negotiated, and any agreement will have to go through many levels of democratic approval on both sides of the Atlantic. Are you claiming you can see the future and know exactly how it will end up? 4) incorrect. The Orange Book was not 'published by the Lib Dems', as you'd know if you actually read the page you linked to. Again, the views of individuals who are members of a party are not necessarily that party's policy - as another example, are the ideas Douglas Carswell has put forward in books the same as Conservative Party policy? 5) Assertions are not evidence. 6) Again, you fail to show where Lib Dem policy (and that's what you claimed all these assertions were, and still haven't provided evidence for) is for "cuts to teachers' salaries and pensions. Run state schools on the cheap and use the private sector for your own kids." So, do you want to debate reality, or your fantasies?[/p][/quote]Hi RU, Just read your note, and I know your heart is in it. My problem with the detail of your response is that I believe, from my personal experience, that we need leadership and a firm contracted decision making process now. What we can't afford is the luxury of protracted liberal and democratic negotiation on every grain of detail - the result would be a myriad of self generating committees, loads of paper and numerous blurred options. "Action this day" Angry of Lexden
  • Score: 1

12:23am Sun 27 Apr 14

Assimilation says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
The coalition government, with Nick Clegg as an integral part, are working to undo the damage done by your lot Mr Goacher. The trouble with your lot Mr Goacher is that you all think money grows on trees and that by taxing the rich, all will be resolved. People are living longer and should therefore work longer. Seems fair to me, unless they pay into a pension scheme during their working life that enables them to retire early. As to so-called zero-hours contracts, surely it is preferable to being on the dole? As an employer, I cannot guarantee work on a fixed contract basis. I need to win contracts in order to give my employees work to do. No contracts, no work. The Mr Goachers of this world really do live in a dream world, whilst contributing nothing to society in general I suspect.
All well and good telling everyone to go and get a pension but it is not a simple as that. You earn a wage and pay your taxes, you retire and draw your pension and then pay tax again on money that you have already paid taxes on. Zero hours contracts, a no no. Why? You are employed and you don't get a wage, you cant get unemployment benefit, why, because you are employed. You have nothing to pay your bills your mortgage/ rent or put food on the table. You are screwed all ways. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. Everyone of the working class are paying for this mess, because the self appointed kings of this Country are more worried that they might be seen as the Mr nasties of the world if the cut down on overseas aid or cut immigration instead of helping their own. There is of course another answer. Make everyone work till they are 80, if they last that long, then give them a free prescription each for a cyanide pill. It would save money looking after the old and not paying out state pension and would feed the nation. Watch the film "Soylent Green"
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: The coalition government, with Nick Clegg as an integral part, are working to undo the damage done by your lot Mr Goacher. The trouble with your lot Mr Goacher is that you all think money grows on trees and that by taxing the rich, all will be resolved. People are living longer and should therefore work longer. Seems fair to me, unless they pay into a pension scheme during their working life that enables them to retire early. As to so-called zero-hours contracts, surely it is preferable to being on the dole? As an employer, I cannot guarantee work on a fixed contract basis. I need to win contracts in order to give my employees work to do. No contracts, no work. The Mr Goachers of this world really do live in a dream world, whilst contributing nothing to society in general I suspect.[/p][/quote]All well and good telling everyone to go and get a pension but it is not a simple as that. You earn a wage and pay your taxes, you retire and draw your pension and then pay tax again on money that you have already paid taxes on. Zero hours contracts, a no no. Why? You are employed and you don't get a wage, you cant get unemployment benefit, why, because you are employed. You have nothing to pay your bills your mortgage/ rent or put food on the table. You are screwed all ways. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. Everyone of the working class are paying for this mess, because the self appointed kings of this Country are more worried that they might be seen as the Mr nasties of the world if the cut down on overseas aid or cut immigration instead of helping their own. There is of course another answer. Make everyone work till they are 80, if they last that long, then give them a free prescription each for a cyanide pill. It would save money looking after the old and not paying out state pension and would feed the nation. Watch the film "Soylent Green" Assimilation
  • Score: 3

11:53am Sun 27 Apr 14

Mark Goacher says...

RU Sirius wrote:
1) First, you clearly don't understand what federalism means, and anyway Andrew Duff is one person, not the entire party. I understand that you're a Green Party candidate in the local elections, so by your standards that means everything you say or believe is exactly the same as Green Party policy. Is that the case? 2) So, do you (and the Green Party) support the Tory/UKIP line on immigration? 3) TTIP is still being negotiated, and any agreement will have to go through many levels of democratic approval on both sides of the Atlantic. Are you claiming you can see the future and know exactly how it will end up? 4) incorrect. The Orange Book was not 'published by the Lib Dems', as you'd know if you actually read the page you linked to. Again, the views of individuals who are members of a party are not necessarily that party's policy - as another example, are the ideas Douglas Carswell has put forward in books the same as Conservative Party policy? 5) Assertions are not evidence. 6) Again, you fail to show where Lib Dem policy (and that's what you claimed all these assertions were, and still haven't provided evidence for) is for "cuts to teachers' salaries and pensions. Run state schools on the cheap and use the private sector for your own kids." So, do you want to debate reality, or your fantasies?
Thanks for the response. I'll deal with each point in turn:

1) Yes I am a Green Party candidate for the Borough Council and no everything I say does not match Green Party policy exactly. I used to vote Lib Dem, indeed have done so in every election since 1997 which I regret. The Lib Dem policy on Europe is to totally defend the EU as it is now rather than radically reform it. Andrew Duff may indeed be only one person however he is the Lib Dem EU candidate and so his views on a federal Europe reflect the direction of travel that the Party leaders want.
The Green Party position is to stay in the EU but radically reform it.

2) No I don't as the UKIP/Conservative line on immigration seems to be scapegoat the immigrants rather than challenge those employers who use cheap EU labour to keep wages down. My own view is that the key issue here is population increase. We simply cannot allow the population to keep on rising at the level it is doing without having to build huge housing estates across the countryside to accomodate the rise. The Lib Dem position, as made clear by Vince Cable, is to maintain support for open door EU immigration regardless of the consequences for local communities.

3) No I am not claiming to 'see the future'. I'm not Mystic Mark. The point is that the Lib Dems and Andrew Duff support TTIP, as do the Conservative Party. If TTIP is approved by the Coalition then it will subjugate the local democratic process to international markets. Local people will find it much harder to challenge fracking and national governments will find it harder to restrict zero-hours contracts etc as both would be subject to special courts designed to defend 'free trade'.

4) This is a weak argument. Whether the Orange Book is an official party publication or not is not the point when its authors include the people who ARE RUNNING the Lib Dems ie Nick Clegg, Vince Cable etc. It reflects the views of the party leaders. Yes they are only individuals but they are the people in charge of policy. If David Cameron , George Osbourne and other leading Conservatives wrote a book with policies advocated including the privatisation of the NHS there would be political uproar.

5) No these are not assertions. The Conservative Housing Minister Nick Boles, fully supported by both David Cameron and the Lib Dems, introduced planning reforms a few years back which condensed a 5000 page document into a 50 page one and included a 'presumption in favour of sustainable development'. This means developers win unless there is an overwhelming case otherwise. Protecting the ordinary countryside or local opposition cannot be part of this overwhelming case. Also if local councils refuse to set up local plans to build 1000s of houses then they lose the right to decide planning applications, it all goes to central government. The Lib Dems are not opposing the massive greenfield developments planned near Marks Tey or the one up from Colchester North Station.

6) Coalition policy (are the Lib Dems not half of the Coalition?) is to reform teachers pensions by making them work until 68, pay more in and get less out. Coalition policy is to restrict teachers' pay to below the rate of inflation, a pay cut. Both amount to running state education on the cheap while the best teachers migrate to the private sector where pay levels are higher.
[quote][p][bold]RU Sirius[/bold] wrote: 1) First, you clearly don't understand what federalism means, and anyway Andrew Duff is one person, not the entire party. I understand that you're a Green Party candidate in the local elections, so by your standards that means everything you say or believe is exactly the same as Green Party policy. Is that the case? 2) So, do you (and the Green Party) support the Tory/UKIP line on immigration? 3) TTIP is still being negotiated, and any agreement will have to go through many levels of democratic approval on both sides of the Atlantic. Are you claiming you can see the future and know exactly how it will end up? 4) incorrect. The Orange Book was not 'published by the Lib Dems', as you'd know if you actually read the page you linked to. Again, the views of individuals who are members of a party are not necessarily that party's policy - as another example, are the ideas Douglas Carswell has put forward in books the same as Conservative Party policy? 5) Assertions are not evidence. 6) Again, you fail to show where Lib Dem policy (and that's what you claimed all these assertions were, and still haven't provided evidence for) is for "cuts to teachers' salaries and pensions. Run state schools on the cheap and use the private sector for your own kids." So, do you want to debate reality, or your fantasies?[/p][/quote]Thanks for the response. I'll deal with each point in turn: 1) Yes I am a Green Party candidate for the Borough Council and no everything I say does not match Green Party policy exactly. I used to vote Lib Dem, indeed have done so in every election since 1997 which I regret. The Lib Dem policy on Europe is to totally defend the EU as it is now rather than radically reform it. Andrew Duff may indeed be only one person however he is the Lib Dem EU candidate and so his views on a federal Europe reflect the direction of travel that the Party leaders want. The Green Party position is to stay in the EU but radically reform it. 2) No I don't as the UKIP/Conservative line on immigration seems to be scapegoat the immigrants rather than challenge those employers who use cheap EU labour to keep wages down. My own view is that the key issue here is population increase. We simply cannot allow the population to keep on rising at the level it is doing without having to build huge housing estates across the countryside to accomodate the rise. The Lib Dem position, as made clear by Vince Cable, is to maintain support for open door EU immigration regardless of the consequences for local communities. 3) No I am not claiming to 'see the future'. I'm not Mystic Mark. The point is that the Lib Dems and Andrew Duff support TTIP, as do the Conservative Party. If TTIP is approved by the Coalition then it will subjugate the local democratic process to international markets. Local people will find it much harder to challenge fracking and national governments will find it harder to restrict zero-hours contracts etc as both would be subject to special courts designed to defend 'free trade'. 4) This is a weak argument. Whether the Orange Book is an official party publication or not is not the point when its authors include the people who ARE RUNNING the Lib Dems ie Nick Clegg, Vince Cable etc. It reflects the views of the party leaders. Yes they are only individuals but they are the people in charge of policy. If David Cameron , George Osbourne and other leading Conservatives wrote a book with policies advocated including the privatisation of the NHS there would be political uproar. 5) No these are not assertions. The Conservative Housing Minister Nick Boles, fully supported by both David Cameron and the Lib Dems, introduced planning reforms a few years back which condensed a 5000 page document into a 50 page one and included a 'presumption in favour of sustainable development'. This means developers win unless there is an overwhelming case otherwise. Protecting the ordinary countryside or local opposition cannot be part of this overwhelming case. Also if local councils refuse to set up local plans to build 1000s of houses then they lose the right to decide planning applications, it all goes to central government. The Lib Dems are not opposing the massive greenfield developments planned near Marks Tey or the one up from Colchester North Station. 6) Coalition policy (are the Lib Dems not half of the Coalition?) is to reform teachers pensions by making them work until 68, pay more in and get less out. Coalition policy is to restrict teachers' pay to below the rate of inflation, a pay cut. Both amount to running state education on the cheap while the best teachers migrate to the private sector where pay levels are higher. Mark Goacher
  • Score: 2

7:05pm Sun 27 Apr 14

stevedawson says...

l bet all the contributors on this thread are over thirty and none are school leavers trying to get a worthwhile job.you all talk boll***s.
l bet all the contributors on this thread are over thirty and none are school leavers trying to get a worthwhile job.you all talk boll***s. stevedawson
  • Score: -3

7:27pm Sun 27 Apr 14

Mark Goacher says...

stevedawson wrote:
l bet all the contributors on this thread are over thirty and none are school leavers trying to get a worthwhile job.you all talk boll***s.
Well I for one would be happy to listen to your concerns/fears and why we all talk 'boll***s' and you can't relate to any of us. I am indeed over 30.
[quote][p][bold]stevedawson[/bold] wrote: l bet all the contributors on this thread are over thirty and none are school leavers trying to get a worthwhile job.you all talk boll***s.[/p][/quote]Well I for one would be happy to listen to your concerns/fears and why we all talk 'boll***s' and you can't relate to any of us. I am indeed over 30. Mark Goacher
  • Score: 4

9:57pm Sun 27 Apr 14

Angry of Lexden says...

Hello Steve,
I agree with you to an extent. Most of the exchanges above are irrelevant to our current situation. They are tossing "who wrote what and when" arguments at one another like dud grenades. To my mind what happen in the past is not going to get us out of the poo.

Like I said some notes back we need action this day. I'm guessing you are, or know someone trying to find work. Work is out there you just have to be better than anyone else at taking it, take what work you can and build on it.

I interviewed nine people for one part time job in the last couple of weeks. They all wanted the work and I believe would have enjoyed it - looking after really prestigious gardens in a nearby town. Two actually had a trial week and did an excellent job. The "but" was the same with them all - they didn't reckon they would be that much better off than staying on benefits - loser's!! All of them.

- apart from the guy who starts tomorrow. He will take five hours five mornings a week from me and look for other work in the afternoons.

Oh and by the way I'm 66, can't afford to retire - we are where we are on retirement age - I have no qualifications other than determination to feed my kids and pay the mortgage. Get off your backside, stop winging, get confident. And above all make it happen now! Tomorrow will be too late - some other guy will take the work from you.
Hello Steve, I agree with you to an extent. Most of the exchanges above are irrelevant to our current situation. They are tossing "who wrote what and when" arguments at one another like dud grenades. To my mind what happen in the past is not going to get us out of the poo. Like I said some notes back we need action this day. I'm guessing you are, or know someone trying to find work. Work is out there you just have to be better than anyone else at taking it, take what work you can and build on it. I interviewed nine people for one part time job in the last couple of weeks. They all wanted the work and I believe would have enjoyed it - looking after really prestigious gardens in a nearby town. Two actually had a trial week and did an excellent job. The "but" was the same with them all - they didn't reckon they would be that much better off than staying on benefits - loser's!! All of them. - apart from the guy who starts tomorrow. He will take five hours five mornings a week from me and look for other work in the afternoons. Oh and by the way I'm 66, can't afford to retire - we are where we are on retirement age - I have no qualifications other than determination to feed my kids and pay the mortgage. Get off your backside, stop winging, get confident. And above all make it happen now! Tomorrow will be too late - some other guy will take the work from you. Angry of Lexden
  • Score: -5

11:45pm Sun 27 Apr 14

Reginald47 says...

Mark Goacher wrote:
I thought I'd add a link to the Wikipedia page about the Orange Book (see below) http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/The_Orange_ Book:_Reclaiming_Lib eralism Its authors are mostly now leading figures within the Lib Dems (obviously not Chris Huhne), Clegg, Cable etc. It basically advicates moving away from 'New Liberalism' ie the Lloyd-George/Asquith approach of social justice via welfare provision such as in healthcare and back to Classical or Gladstonian Liberalism ie Laissez Faire, let the poor go to the wall type stuff.
Thanks for the history lesson - it's hardly relevant now. I wonder if I could bother to quote the policies 5 or 6 years ago of the Labour Party and Greens, you'd still be proud of them,
[quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: I thought I'd add a link to the Wikipedia page about the Orange Book (see below) http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/The_Orange_ Book:_Reclaiming_Lib eralism Its authors are mostly now leading figures within the Lib Dems (obviously not Chris Huhne), Clegg, Cable etc. It basically advicates moving away from 'New Liberalism' ie the Lloyd-George/Asquith approach of social justice via welfare provision such as in healthcare and back to Classical or Gladstonian Liberalism ie Laissez Faire, let the poor go to the wall type stuff.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the history lesson - it's hardly relevant now. I wonder if I could bother to quote the policies 5 or 6 years ago of the Labour Party and Greens, you'd still be proud of them, Reginald47
  • Score: -4

11:54pm Sun 27 Apr 14

Reginald47 says...

There is a Mark Goacher who is a very well known and respected teacher in town. You really shouldn't pretend to be him and smear his reputation with your lies so please use your real name in future.
There is a Mark Goacher who is a very well known and respected teacher in town. You really shouldn't pretend to be him and smear his reputation with your lies so please use your real name in future. Reginald47
  • Score: -3

12:32am Mon 28 Apr 14

Angry of Lexden says...

Reginald47 wrote:
There is a Mark Goacher who is a very well known and respected teacher in town. You really shouldn't pretend to be him and smear his reputation with your lies so please use your real name in future.
Just a minute, if anyone on this site is being deliberately dishonest , I and others will take a very - as in damaged legs - view.
[quote][p][bold]Reginald47[/bold] wrote: There is a Mark Goacher who is a very well known and respected teacher in town. You really shouldn't pretend to be him and smear his reputation with your lies so please use your real name in future.[/p][/quote]Just a minute, if anyone on this site is being deliberately dishonest , I and others will take a very - as in damaged legs - view. Angry of Lexden
  • Score: 0

9:16am Mon 28 Apr 14

Mark Goacher says...

Reginald47 wrote:
There is a Mark Goacher who is a very well known and respected teacher in town. You really shouldn't pretend to be him and smear his reputation with your lies so please use your real name in future.
Obviously I have reported this comment which accuses me of being an imposter. If this is the kind of tactic that the Lib Dems have to resort to then it only shows the extent to which you are running scared.
I am Mark Goacher, I'm a teacher and a Green Candidate for New Town ward.
[quote][p][bold]Reginald47[/bold] wrote: There is a Mark Goacher who is a very well known and respected teacher in town. You really shouldn't pretend to be him and smear his reputation with your lies so please use your real name in future.[/p][/quote]Obviously I have reported this comment which accuses me of being an imposter. If this is the kind of tactic that the Lib Dems have to resort to then it only shows the extent to which you are running scared. I am Mark Goacher, I'm a teacher and a Green Candidate for New Town ward. Mark Goacher
  • Score: 4

9:19am Mon 28 Apr 14

Mark Goacher says...

Reginald47 wrote:
Mark Goacher wrote:
I thought I'd add a link to the Wikipedia page about the Orange Book (see below) http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/The_Orange_ Book:_Reclaiming_Lib eralism Its authors are mostly now leading figures within the Lib Dems (obviously not Chris Huhne), Clegg, Cable etc. It basically advicates moving away from 'New Liberalism' ie the Lloyd-George/Asquith approach of social justice via welfare provision such as in healthcare and back to Classical or Gladstonian Liberalism ie Laissez Faire, let the poor go to the wall type stuff.
Thanks for the history lesson - it's hardly relevant now. I wonder if I could bother to quote the policies 5 or 6 years ago of the Labour Party and Greens, you'd still be proud of them,
Why not let the voters decide whether it is relevant now that the authors of a book which called for the privatisation of the NHS are now the Lib Dem Party leaders. The reason that it is relevant is that it shows the direction of travel that Mr Clegg & co wish to take the party.
[quote][p][bold]Reginald47[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: I thought I'd add a link to the Wikipedia page about the Orange Book (see below) http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/The_Orange_ Book:_Reclaiming_Lib eralism Its authors are mostly now leading figures within the Lib Dems (obviously not Chris Huhne), Clegg, Cable etc. It basically advicates moving away from 'New Liberalism' ie the Lloyd-George/Asquith approach of social justice via welfare provision such as in healthcare and back to Classical or Gladstonian Liberalism ie Laissez Faire, let the poor go to the wall type stuff.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the history lesson - it's hardly relevant now. I wonder if I could bother to quote the policies 5 or 6 years ago of the Labour Party and Greens, you'd still be proud of them,[/p][/quote]Why not let the voters decide whether it is relevant now that the authors of a book which called for the privatisation of the NHS are now the Lib Dem Party leaders. The reason that it is relevant is that it shows the direction of travel that Mr Clegg & co wish to take the party. Mark Goacher
  • Score: 3

9:22am Mon 28 Apr 14

Mark Goacher says...

Angry of Lexden wrote:
Reginald47 wrote:
There is a Mark Goacher who is a very well known and respected teacher in town. You really shouldn't pretend to be him and smear his reputation with your lies so please use your real name in future.
Just a minute, if anyone on this site is being deliberately dishonest , I and others will take a very - as in damaged legs - view.
As I said, I have reported the accusation.
[quote][p][bold]Angry of Lexden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reginald47[/bold] wrote: There is a Mark Goacher who is a very well known and respected teacher in town. You really shouldn't pretend to be him and smear his reputation with your lies so please use your real name in future.[/p][/quote]Just a minute, if anyone on this site is being deliberately dishonest , I and others will take a very - as in damaged legs - view.[/p][/quote]As I said, I have reported the accusation. Mark Goacher
  • Score: 4

10:14am Mon 28 Apr 14

Mark Goacher says...

Reginald47 wrote:
Mark Goacher wrote:
I thought I'd add a link to the Wikipedia page about the Orange Book (see below) http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/The_Orange_ Book:_Reclaiming_Lib eralism Its authors are mostly now leading figures within the Lib Dems (obviously not Chris Huhne), Clegg, Cable etc. It basically advicates moving away from 'New Liberalism' ie the Lloyd-George/Asquith approach of social justice via welfare provision such as in healthcare and back to Classical or Gladstonian Liberalism ie Laissez Faire, let the poor go to the wall type stuff.
Thanks for the history lesson - it's hardly relevant now. I wonder if I could bother to quote the policies 5 or 6 years ago of the Labour Party and Greens, you'd still be proud of them,
I would add to this that its rather odd that the Lib Dems should regard sources going back 5 years or so as 'hardly relevant' considering how, in the last Clegg - Farage debate on Europe, Mr Clegg produced a very old (over 10 years) UKIP leaflet with a Native American on the front in order to berate Mr Farage. One rule for the Lib Dems, one rule for everyone else?
[quote][p][bold]Reginald47[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: I thought I'd add a link to the Wikipedia page about the Orange Book (see below) http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/The_Orange_ Book:_Reclaiming_Lib eralism Its authors are mostly now leading figures within the Lib Dems (obviously not Chris Huhne), Clegg, Cable etc. It basically advicates moving away from 'New Liberalism' ie the Lloyd-George/Asquith approach of social justice via welfare provision such as in healthcare and back to Classical or Gladstonian Liberalism ie Laissez Faire, let the poor go to the wall type stuff.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the history lesson - it's hardly relevant now. I wonder if I could bother to quote the policies 5 or 6 years ago of the Labour Party and Greens, you'd still be proud of them,[/p][/quote]I would add to this that its rather odd that the Lib Dems should regard sources going back 5 years or so as 'hardly relevant' considering how, in the last Clegg - Farage debate on Europe, Mr Clegg produced a very old (over 10 years) UKIP leaflet with a Native American on the front in order to berate Mr Farage. One rule for the Lib Dems, one rule for everyone else? Mark Goacher
  • Score: 4

11:51am Mon 28 Apr 14

Reginald47 says...

Mark Goacher wrote:
Reginald47 wrote: There is a Mark Goacher who is a very well known and respected teacher in town. You really shouldn't pretend to be him and smear his reputation with your lies so please use your real name in future.
Obviously I have reported this comment which accuses me of being an imposter. If this is the kind of tactic that the Lib Dems have to resort to then it only shows the extent to which you are running scared. I am Mark Goacher, I'm a teacher and a Green Candidate for New Town ward.
My apologies. I had made the assumption that is was someone pretending to be you because of the comments you were making some of which were not entirely true.
[quote][p][bold]Mark Goacher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reginald47[/bold] wrote: There is a Mark Goacher who is a very well known and respected teacher in town. You really shouldn't pretend to be him and smear his reputation with your lies so please use your real name in future.[/p][/quote]Obviously I have reported this comment which accuses me of being an imposter. If this is the kind of tactic that the Lib Dems have to resort to then it only shows the extent to which you are running scared. I am Mark Goacher, I'm a teacher and a Green Candidate for New Town ward.[/p][/quote]My apologies. I had made the assumption that is was someone pretending to be you because of the comments you were making some of which were not entirely true. Reginald47
  • Score: -4

9:16pm Tue 29 Apr 14

C.I.5. says...

Angry of Lexden wrote:
Reginald47 wrote:
There is a Mark Goacher who is a very well known and respected teacher in town. You really shouldn't pretend to be him and smear his reputation with your lies so please use your real name in future.
Just a minute, if anyone on this site is being deliberately dishonest , I and others will take a very - as in damaged legs - view.
As you can see both yourself and Reggie47 have put all 4 of your feet in the same bucket. As for threatening someone which sounded like you imply breaking legs. I do not know of a gardening firm run by a family in Lexden of wannabe hard-men. The only one was in Collingwood Road and the boss is supposed to be banged up at the moment, for growing stuff that is not normally prize winning Chelsea flower show matter. We all knew who Mr Mark Goacher was and is and we all knew of his posts on this paper, and respected them, why did you not? You are on here all the time, threatening people by the look of it. I am happy to defend Mr Goacher in person if need be. You will know of me, when you see me in person, from the community.
[quote][p][bold]Angry of Lexden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reginald47[/bold] wrote: There is a Mark Goacher who is a very well known and respected teacher in town. You really shouldn't pretend to be him and smear his reputation with your lies so please use your real name in future.[/p][/quote]Just a minute, if anyone on this site is being deliberately dishonest , I and others will take a very - as in damaged legs - view.[/p][/quote]As you can see both yourself and Reggie47 have put all 4 of your feet in the same bucket. As for threatening someone which sounded like you imply breaking legs. I do not know of a gardening firm run by a family in Lexden of wannabe hard-men. The only one was in Collingwood Road and the boss is supposed to be banged up at the moment, for growing stuff that is not normally prize winning Chelsea flower show matter. We all knew who Mr Mark Goacher was and is and we all knew of his posts on this paper, and respected them, why did you not? You are on here all the time, threatening people by the look of it. I am happy to defend Mr Goacher in person if need be. You will know of me, when you see me in person, from the community. C.I.5.
  • Score: 1

9:19pm Tue 29 Apr 14

C.I.5. says...

Sorry as for the kids in this town they have been robbed in the last three years by this stupid government.
By the way Mr Clegg no comment, you are not worth my time. Sir Bob Russell should never have backed him up especially coming from Essex Uni
SHAME.
Sorry as for the kids in this town they have been robbed in the last three years by this stupid government. By the way Mr Clegg no comment, you are not worth my time. Sir Bob Russell should never have backed him up especially coming from Essex Uni SHAME. C.I.5.
  • Score: 1

10:00pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Angry of Lexden says...

C.I.5. wrote:
Angry of Lexden wrote:
Reginald47 wrote:
There is a Mark Goacher who is a very well known and respected teacher in town. You really shouldn't pretend to be him and smear his reputation with your lies so please use your real name in future.
Just a minute, if anyone on this site is being deliberately dishonest , I and others will take a very - as in damaged legs - view.
As you can see both yourself and Reggie47 have put all 4 of your feet in the same bucket. As for threatening someone which sounded like you imply breaking legs. I do not know of a gardening firm run by a family in Lexden of wannabe hard-men. The only one was in Collingwood Road and the boss is supposed to be banged up at the moment, for growing stuff that is not normally prize winning Chelsea flower show matter. We all knew who Mr Mark Goacher was and is and we all knew of his posts on this paper, and respected them, why did you not? You are on here all the time, threatening people by the look of it. I am happy to defend Mr Goacher in person if need be. You will know of me, when you see me in person, from the community.
Just seen my title on the above string, I'm nothing go do with any of it,!
[quote][p][bold]C.I.5.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry of Lexden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reginald47[/bold] wrote: There is a Mark Goacher who is a very well known and respected teacher in town. You really shouldn't pretend to be him and smear his reputation with your lies so please use your real name in future.[/p][/quote]Just a minute, if anyone on this site is being deliberately dishonest , I and others will take a very - as in damaged legs - view.[/p][/quote]As you can see both yourself and Reggie47 have put all 4 of your feet in the same bucket. As for threatening someone which sounded like you imply breaking legs. I do not know of a gardening firm run by a family in Lexden of wannabe hard-men. The only one was in Collingwood Road and the boss is supposed to be banged up at the moment, for growing stuff that is not normally prize winning Chelsea flower show matter. We all knew who Mr Mark Goacher was and is and we all knew of his posts on this paper, and respected them, why did you not? You are on here all the time, threatening people by the look of it. I am happy to defend Mr Goacher in person if need be. You will know of me, when you see me in person, from the community.[/p][/quote]Just seen my title on the above string, I'm nothing go do with any of it,! Angry of Lexden
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