Primark and House of Fraser among the names to come to Tollgate - if planning policy was changed

Gazette: Daniel Watts, director of the Tollgate Partnership Daniel Watts, director of the Tollgate Partnership

PRIMARK and House of Fraser  are among the big names stores which could be attracted to Colchester - if permission is given.

Daniel Watts, a director of the Tollgate Partnership, said he had talks with both stores and with the prestigious John Lewis with a view to bringing the stores the Tollgate Centre in Stanway.

And he said if a masterplan for 20 acres of the site came to fruition, it could create in the region of 1,000 jobs.

Mr Watts said: "John Lewis won't come to Colchester because they have stores in Ipswich and Chelmsford.

"However, we have had talks with them and with Primark and House of Fraser."

The partnership has about 40 acres of land at Stanway of which 20 is undeveloped.

The company is drawing up a masterplan of proposals for what would be developed on the land.

Mr Watts said: "We would like to create an area which provides a complete experience - retail, leisure, restaurants and some business units.

"We would like to have the masterplan ready within 12 months.

"I would like to have a spade in the ground by 2016."

 

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11:37am Mon 3 Mar 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

Good luck. Bring it on, major retailers and free parking! But will it happen? Most probably not whilst we have Councillors who are hell bent on protecting the Town centre traders, at any cost.
Good luck. Bring it on, major retailers and free parking! But will it happen? Most probably not whilst we have Councillors who are hell bent on protecting the Town centre traders, at any cost. Say It As It Is OK?
  • Score: 15

1:57pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Boris says...

1000 new jobs, many of them part-time or with zero-hours contracts. Balance that against maybe 800 jobs to be lost at shops elsewhere in Colchester, and another 200 jobs to be lost at shops in Ipswich or Witham or Chelmsford. People have only got so much money to spend, so any new jobs in retailing are achieved only at the cost of jobs elsewhere.
We'd better bring in a lot more immigrants from Romford and Romania, to buld thousands more houses, to accommodate the customers for these new shops.
1000 new jobs, many of them part-time or with zero-hours contracts. Balance that against maybe 800 jobs to be lost at shops elsewhere in Colchester, and another 200 jobs to be lost at shops in Ipswich or Witham or Chelmsford. People have only got so much money to spend, so any new jobs in retailing are achieved only at the cost of jobs elsewhere. We'd better bring in a lot more immigrants from Romford and Romania, to buld thousands more houses, to accommodate the customers for these new shops. Boris
  • Score: -11

2:02pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Boris says...

I should have added: what Colchester needs is a Park and Ride, in a better location than Cuckoo Farm. Mr Watts has got 20 acres of land. He could be told under a section 106 agreement to build a park and ride base on a large part of that land. He could then be given permission to build his Primark etc stores on the remainder. That could be a good compromise.
I should have added: what Colchester needs is a Park and Ride, in a better location than Cuckoo Farm. Mr Watts has got 20 acres of land. He could be told under a section 106 agreement to build a park and ride base on a large part of that land. He could then be given permission to build his Primark etc stores on the remainder. That could be a good compromise. Boris
  • Score: 3

3:43pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Smartlad47 says...

what about a Morrisons ???........ closest is Ipswich and Clacton
what about a Morrisons ???........ closest is Ipswich and Clacton Smartlad47
  • Score: -5

3:59pm Mon 3 Mar 14

catflap1 says...

Primark..... now there's a quality flagship brand .....chavtastic
Primark..... now there's a quality flagship brand .....chavtastic catflap1
  • Score: 5

4:21pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Taj says...

I hope that access roads are widened and we can avoid the disaster that is ASDA/North Station roundabouts and traffic lights fiasco before any development goes ahead.
As Boris has hinted it will probably be enough to finish off what is left of the town centre
I hope that access roads are widened and we can avoid the disaster that is ASDA/North Station roundabouts and traffic lights fiasco before any development goes ahead. As Boris has hinted it will probably be enough to finish off what is left of the town centre Taj
  • Score: -1

4:30pm Mon 3 Mar 14

jut1972 says...

Boris wrote:
1000 new jobs, many of them part-time or with zero-hours contracts. Balance that against maybe 800 jobs to be lost at shops elsewhere in Colchester, and another 200 jobs to be lost at shops in Ipswich or Witham or Chelmsford. People have only got so much money to spend, so any new jobs in retailing are achieved only at the cost of jobs elsewhere.
We'd better bring in a lot more immigrants from Romford and Romania, to buld thousands more houses, to accommodate the customers for these new shops.
That doesn't stack up. There are bound to be some people who move from one employer in town to tollgate but companies can co exist and increase the number of employed.

If you were right the number of employed in retail would never increase and that's not what is happening in reality.

With you on the zero hours contracts thats not good for most.
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: 1000 new jobs, many of them part-time or with zero-hours contracts. Balance that against maybe 800 jobs to be lost at shops elsewhere in Colchester, and another 200 jobs to be lost at shops in Ipswich or Witham or Chelmsford. People have only got so much money to spend, so any new jobs in retailing are achieved only at the cost of jobs elsewhere. We'd better bring in a lot more immigrants from Romford and Romania, to buld thousands more houses, to accommodate the customers for these new shops.[/p][/quote]That doesn't stack up. There are bound to be some people who move from one employer in town to tollgate but companies can co exist and increase the number of employed. If you were right the number of employed in retail would never increase and that's not what is happening in reality. With you on the zero hours contracts thats not good for most. jut1972
  • Score: -1

4:39pm Mon 3 Mar 14

colcestrian says...

I see one of the potential uses for the land according to the print version of this article are Scrapyards, I can see that going down very well with the residents who have bought there houses or are in the process of doing so !
I see one of the potential uses for the land according to the print version of this article are Scrapyards, I can see that going down very well with the residents who have bought there houses or are in the process of doing so ! colcestrian
  • Score: -2

5:50pm Mon 3 Mar 14

James 1 says...

Some reasonable comments made previously, but the one thing missed is that it may well be 2016/7 before it comes to fruition. This will not help people on JSA now. I am talking about people, including my son, who WANT to work
Some reasonable comments made previously, but the one thing missed is that it may well be 2016/7 before it comes to fruition. This will not help people on JSA now. I am talking about people, including my son, who WANT to work James 1
  • Score: 3

7:20pm Mon 3 Mar 14

dog man says...

Why protect our town center there is nothing there to protect. Our town center has got to be one of most boring town centers when compared to the likes of Chelmsford. with there big shopping centers and decant shops e.g. prime mark. I am all for out of town developments who wants to drive in to town spend ages finding a car parking space miles away pay for parking. Somewhere like Tollgate you can park right out side the shops for free, and you don't have to contend with the car ban and stupid bus lanes.
Why protect our town center there is nothing there to protect. Our town center has got to be one of most boring town centers when compared to the likes of Chelmsford. with there big shopping centers and decant shops e.g. prime mark. I am all for out of town developments who wants to drive in to town spend ages finding a car parking space miles away pay for parking. Somewhere like Tollgate you can park right out side the shops for free, and you don't have to contend with the car ban and stupid bus lanes. dog man
  • Score: 8

7:34pm Mon 3 Mar 14

dog man says...

dog man wrote:
Why protect our town center there is nothing there to protect. Our town center has got to be one of most boring town centers when compared to the likes of Chelmsford. with there big shopping centers and decant shops e.g. prime mark. I am all for out of town developments who wants to drive in to town spend ages finding a car parking space miles away pay for parking. Somewhere like Tollgate you can park right out side the shops for free, and you don't have to contend with the car ban and stupid bus lanes.
Another thing maybe instead of building that pointless piece of rubbish we call the the visual arts center may be we could of built a indoor shopping center there so there may of been no need to build out of town. We could of had these shops in the town center. But no we get an arts center that is burning money, as opposed to a shopping center which could of created lodes of jobs and money.
[quote][p][bold]dog man[/bold] wrote: Why protect our town center there is nothing there to protect. Our town center has got to be one of most boring town centers when compared to the likes of Chelmsford. with there big shopping centers and decant shops e.g. prime mark. I am all for out of town developments who wants to drive in to town spend ages finding a car parking space miles away pay for parking. Somewhere like Tollgate you can park right out side the shops for free, and you don't have to contend with the car ban and stupid bus lanes.[/p][/quote]Another thing maybe instead of building that pointless piece of rubbish we call the the visual arts center may be we could of built a indoor shopping center there so there may of been no need to build out of town. We could of had these shops in the town center. But no we get an arts center that is burning money, as opposed to a shopping center which could of created lodes of jobs and money. dog man
  • Score: 6

9:01pm Mon 3 Mar 14

angryman!!! says...

Primark and house of Fraser??? I'm sure these companies would not like to be next to each other.
Also I agree that both these are better suited for town, why not at the proposed vineyard gate development which was scaled down surely that would be ideal to have a flag ship store. There's also large buildings like the old Jjb on high st, old odeon that could hold a large business. Also the old co op Has plenty of retail space not used by current owner. I hope the council does fight these plans. If it does not however tollgate should have to pay for a park and ride from there to town, at least then it might complement town.
Primark and house of Fraser??? I'm sure these companies would not like to be next to each other. Also I agree that both these are better suited for town, why not at the proposed vineyard gate development which was scaled down surely that would be ideal to have a flag ship store. There's also large buildings like the old Jjb on high st, old odeon that could hold a large business. Also the old co op Has plenty of retail space not used by current owner. I hope the council does fight these plans. If it does not however tollgate should have to pay for a park and ride from there to town, at least then it might complement town. angryman!!!
  • Score: 0

9:23pm Mon 3 Mar 14

stevedawson says...

About time he did something with the old sainsburys sight.
About time he did something with the old sainsburys sight. stevedawson
  • Score: 4

12:04pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Scoot says...

Angryman, weren't John Lewis looking at the Vineyard development before it was scaled down ? So it may be too small for HofF so Tollgate maybe their only choice unless a large area of the town center is flattened but I am sure Mr Fenwick will object strongly to someone moving in on his monopoly. So Chavtastic Primark could move into the Vineyard development which maybe ok for the Queen St 'wear once, puke on it, chuck it away, don't care about ethical production' brigade.
Having read Dog mans posts maybe a new school specialising in English is needed..
Angryman, weren't John Lewis looking at the Vineyard development before it was scaled down ? So it may be too small for HofF so Tollgate maybe their only choice unless a large area of the town center is flattened but I am sure Mr Fenwick will object strongly to someone moving in on his monopoly. So Chavtastic Primark could move into the Vineyard development which maybe ok for the Queen St 'wear once, puke on it, chuck it away, don't care about ethical production' brigade. Having read Dog mans posts maybe a new school specialising in English is needed.. Scoot
  • Score: 5

12:53pm Tue 4 Mar 14

wearebeingwatched says...

stevedawson wrote:
About time he did something with the old sainsburys sight.
He would like too, but at the moment the council will not allow retail development there. Seems a bit odd considering it is in the middle of a retail park.
[quote][p][bold]stevedawson[/bold] wrote: About time he did something with the old sainsburys sight.[/p][/quote]He would like too, but at the moment the council will not allow retail development there. Seems a bit odd considering it is in the middle of a retail park. wearebeingwatched
  • Score: 7

12:56pm Tue 4 Mar 14

wearebeingwatched says...

Scoot wrote:
Angryman, weren't John Lewis looking at the Vineyard development before it was scaled down ? So it may be too small for HofF so Tollgate maybe their only choice unless a large area of the town center is flattened but I am sure Mr Fenwick will object strongly to someone moving in on his monopoly. So Chavtastic Primark could move into the Vineyard development which maybe ok for the Queen St 'wear once, puke on it, chuck it away, don't care about ethical production' brigade.
Having read Dog mans posts maybe a new school specialising in English is needed..
Originally House of Fraser were going to have a flag ship store where the NCP car park and Gala Bingo are, with the Vineyard Development being a lot bigger than now planned (got to the love the recession of 2008, if it was not for that the town could be a very different place now, still could be too)
[quote][p][bold]Scoot[/bold] wrote: Angryman, weren't John Lewis looking at the Vineyard development before it was scaled down ? So it may be too small for HofF so Tollgate maybe their only choice unless a large area of the town center is flattened but I am sure Mr Fenwick will object strongly to someone moving in on his monopoly. So Chavtastic Primark could move into the Vineyard development which maybe ok for the Queen St 'wear once, puke on it, chuck it away, don't care about ethical production' brigade. Having read Dog mans posts maybe a new school specialising in English is needed..[/p][/quote]Originally House of Fraser were going to have a flag ship store where the NCP car park and Gala Bingo are, with the Vineyard Development being a lot bigger than now planned (got to the love the recession of 2008, if it was not for that the town could be a very different place now, still could be too) wearebeingwatched
  • Score: 5

5:04pm Tue 4 Mar 14

SFJones77 says...

I'm all for this, especially if there will also be leisure facilities and restaurants etc. The council keep allowing thousands of homes to be built and there is nothing for the people moving in to them to do and don't even get me started on the shopping in Colchester, it's dire unless you're a size 8 teenager! Something like freeport with leisure, shopping and eateries would be perfect for that site. If colchester was so wonderful for shopping, why do we go to ipswich or Chelmsford to shop? I'm sick of this misplaced need to protect the town centre stiffling progress. This side of town needs things like a pool and cinema - preferably a cineworld (ever tried to get a ticket in the first two weeks of a blockbuster film coming out?) I have to say I rarely venture into the town centre as there is nothing there to draw me in. Also colchester badly needs some decent places to eat, both family friendly, with highchairs and decent changing and 'nice places for date nights with hubs!
I'm all for this, especially if there will also be leisure facilities and restaurants etc. The council keep allowing thousands of homes to be built and there is nothing for the people moving in to them to do and don't even get me started on the shopping in Colchester, it's dire unless you're a size 8 teenager! Something like freeport with leisure, shopping and eateries would be perfect for that site. If colchester was so wonderful for shopping, why do we go to ipswich or Chelmsford to shop? I'm sick of this misplaced need to protect the town centre stiffling progress. This side of town needs things like a pool and cinema - preferably a cineworld (ever tried to get a ticket in the first two weeks of a blockbuster film coming out?) I have to say I rarely venture into the town centre as there is nothing there to draw me in. Also colchester badly needs some decent places to eat, both family friendly, with highchairs and decent changing and 'nice places for date nights with hubs! SFJones77
  • Score: 6

7:06pm Tue 4 Mar 14

dog man says...

Scoot wrote:
Angryman, weren't John Lewis looking at the Vineyard development before it was scaled down ? So it may be too small for HofF so Tollgate maybe their only choice unless a large area of the town center is flattened but I am sure Mr Fenwick will object strongly to someone moving in on his monopoly. So Chavtastic Primark could move into the Vineyard development which maybe ok for the Queen St 'wear once, puke on it, chuck it away, don't care about ethical production' brigade.
Having read Dog mans posts maybe a new school specialising in English is needed..
I think we need a new school to deal with people think that they are all that, nothing wrong with my English or Prime mark. What is wrong is your attitude. What you are is one big snob.
[quote][p][bold]Scoot[/bold] wrote: Angryman, weren't John Lewis looking at the Vineyard development before it was scaled down ? So it may be too small for HofF so Tollgate maybe their only choice unless a large area of the town center is flattened but I am sure Mr Fenwick will object strongly to someone moving in on his monopoly. So Chavtastic Primark could move into the Vineyard development which maybe ok for the Queen St 'wear once, puke on it, chuck it away, don't care about ethical production' brigade. Having read Dog mans posts maybe a new school specialising in English is needed..[/p][/quote]I think we need a new school to deal with people think that they are all that, nothing wrong with my English or Prime mark. What is wrong is your attitude. What you are is one big snob. dog man
  • Score: -6

9:50pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Nik3000 says...

Please, for the love of all that is great, if this happens.. add a CINEWORLD.

Colchester is obsessed with keeping every thing in the boring town centre, it's expensive to park and would be such an improvement to have a complex of restaurants, a cinema and various stores just like Braintree and Ipswich. Tollgate is just off the A12.. its perfect!
Please, for the love of all that is great, if this happens.. add a CINEWORLD. Colchester is obsessed with keeping every thing in the boring town centre, it's expensive to park and would be such an improvement to have a complex of restaurants, a cinema and various stores just like Braintree and Ipswich. Tollgate is just off the A12.. its perfect! Nik3000
  • Score: 4

10:07am Wed 5 Mar 14

Catchedicam says...

dog man wrote:
Scoot wrote:
Angryman, weren't John Lewis looking at the Vineyard development before it was scaled down ? So it may be too small for HofF so Tollgate maybe their only choice unless a large area of the town center is flattened but I am sure Mr Fenwick will object strongly to someone moving in on his monopoly. So Chavtastic Primark could move into the Vineyard development which maybe ok for the Queen St 'wear once, puke on it, chuck it away, don't care about ethical production' brigade.
Having read Dog mans posts maybe a new school specialising in English is needed..
I think we need a new school to deal with people think that they are all that, nothing wrong with my English or Prime mark. What is wrong is your attitude. What you are is one big snob.
It is not snobbish to expect a reasonable level of literacy, quality education is free in the UK to those that care to avail themselves of the opportunity. The very fact that you don't recognise your inability to use British English as opposed to American English or to differentiate between 'there' and 'their' speaks volumes. You're clearly well suited to the likes of Primark.
[quote][p][bold]dog man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scoot[/bold] wrote: Angryman, weren't John Lewis looking at the Vineyard development before it was scaled down ? So it may be too small for HofF so Tollgate maybe their only choice unless a large area of the town center is flattened but I am sure Mr Fenwick will object strongly to someone moving in on his monopoly. So Chavtastic Primark could move into the Vineyard development which maybe ok for the Queen St 'wear once, puke on it, chuck it away, don't care about ethical production' brigade. Having read Dog mans posts maybe a new school specialising in English is needed..[/p][/quote]I think we need a new school to deal with people think that they are all that, nothing wrong with my English or Prime mark. What is wrong is your attitude. What you are is one big snob.[/p][/quote]It is not snobbish to expect a reasonable level of literacy, quality education is free in the UK to those that care to avail themselves of the opportunity. The very fact that you don't recognise your inability to use British English as opposed to American English or to differentiate between 'there' and 'their' speaks volumes. You're clearly well suited to the likes of Primark. Catchedicam
  • Score: 2

6:09pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Donut doggy says...

What a lovely idea but sadly I think that's all it will be with Colchester council making the decisions. Colchester town is dying but without large name companies, the small boutique shops that the council keep harping on about will not survive either. Both Chelmsford and Ipswich seem to have got it right . They both have the large name companies and plenty of other smaller shops who seems to be trading at no disadvantage too. Higher footfall is a win win for both type of shops. I won't hold my breath waiting for this development to be given the go ahead as Colchester has missed out on plenty of opportunities already. Oh and a park and ride might be an idea!!!!!! Say no more!
What a lovely idea but sadly I think that's all it will be with Colchester council making the decisions. Colchester town is dying but without large name companies, the small boutique shops that the council keep harping on about will not survive either. Both Chelmsford and Ipswich seem to have got it right . They both have the large name companies and plenty of other smaller shops who seems to be trading at no disadvantage too. Higher footfall is a win win for both type of shops. I won't hold my breath waiting for this development to be given the go ahead as Colchester has missed out on plenty of opportunities already. Oh and a park and ride might be an idea!!!!!! Say no more! Donut doggy
  • Score: 0

6:52pm Wed 5 Mar 14

angryman!!! says...

Has anyone been to Ipswich recently? I used to live at the docs in the centre of town and travel to Colchester for shopping. If that's what we're aspiring too be then we might aswell give up now!
Has anyone been to Ipswich recently? I used to live at the docs in the centre of town and travel to Colchester for shopping. If that's what we're aspiring too be then we might aswell give up now! angryman!!!
  • Score: 0

1:47am Thu 6 Mar 14

Boris says...

James 1 wrote:
Some reasonable comments made previously, but the one thing missed is that it may well be 2016/7 before it comes to fruition. This will not help people on JSA now. I am talking about people, including my son, who WANT to work
It will take a lor longer than 2 to 3 years. And, as I said earlier, many of the new jobs will be precarious. There are jobs out there for young people, but you must accept that they may only give you one half-day shift in a whole week, or it may be out on a farm to which the agency will make you pay your own taxi fare. For a young person to make any money, s/he must be prepared to work anywhere, indoors or out, and get used to the idea that they will probably only be at the place for a few days at best, and they will frequently be treated quite appallingly. Not everyone will stand up well to this kind of treatment.
[quote][p][bold]James 1[/bold] wrote: Some reasonable comments made previously, but the one thing missed is that it may well be 2016/7 before it comes to fruition. This will not help people on JSA now. I am talking about people, including my son, who WANT to work[/p][/quote]It will take a lor longer than 2 to 3 years. And, as I said earlier, many of the new jobs will be precarious. There are jobs out there for young people, but you must accept that they may only give you one half-day shift in a whole week, or it may be out on a farm to which the agency will make you pay your own taxi fare. For a young person to make any money, s/he must be prepared to work anywhere, indoors or out, and get used to the idea that they will probably only be at the place for a few days at best, and they will frequently be treated quite appallingly. Not everyone will stand up well to this kind of treatment. Boris
  • Score: -2

4:19pm Thu 6 Mar 14

suzywright says...

Boris wrote:
I should have added: what Colchester needs is a Park and Ride, in a better location than Cuckoo Farm. Mr Watts has got 20 acres of land. He could be told under a section 106 agreement to build a park and ride base on a large part of that land. He could then be given permission to build his Primark etc stores on the remainder. That could be a good compromise.
Somehow Boris, I don't think that would financially stack up. If you look at the proposed P&R site at the North, it's very land hungry, probably larger than the old Sainsbury's site too. Doesn't help infrastructure does it to have a P&R in the middle of a retail park! Better off on the old abandoned Stane Park opposite the new Sainsbury's - better access for A12 links.
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: I should have added: what Colchester needs is a Park and Ride, in a better location than Cuckoo Farm. Mr Watts has got 20 acres of land. He could be told under a section 106 agreement to build a park and ride base on a large part of that land. He could then be given permission to build his Primark etc stores on the remainder. That could be a good compromise.[/p][/quote]Somehow Boris, I don't think that would financially stack up. If you look at the proposed P&R site at the North, it's very land hungry, probably larger than the old Sainsbury's site too. Doesn't help infrastructure does it to have a P&R in the middle of a retail park! Better off on the old abandoned Stane Park opposite the new Sainsbury's - better access for A12 links. suzywright
  • Score: -1

3:09am Fri 7 Mar 14

Boris says...

suzywright wrote:
Boris wrote:
I should have added: what Colchester needs is a Park and Ride, in a better location than Cuckoo Farm. Mr Watts has got 20 acres of land. He could be told under a section 106 agreement to build a park and ride base on a large part of that land. He could then be given permission to build his Primark etc stores on the remainder. That could be a good compromise.
Somehow Boris, I don't think that would financially stack up. If you look at the proposed P&R site at the North, it's very land hungry, probably larger than the old Sainsbury's site too. Doesn't help infrastructure does it to have a P&R in the middle of a retail park! Better off on the old abandoned Stane Park opposite the new Sainsbury's - better access for A12 links.
Suzy, I'm sure you are right that a bigger site is needed for a decent P&R. I expect the one at Cuckoo Farm will be under-used, but something in the general Tollgate area would be a lot more popular. I bow to your superior knowledge of the requirements and of the abandoned Stane Park.
However, if Mr Watts can't offer something seriously useful to Colchester, to compensate for the damage that will be done to so many town centre businesses, I don't see why his scheme should be approved.
[quote][p][bold]suzywright[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: I should have added: what Colchester needs is a Park and Ride, in a better location than Cuckoo Farm. Mr Watts has got 20 acres of land. He could be told under a section 106 agreement to build a park and ride base on a large part of that land. He could then be given permission to build his Primark etc stores on the remainder. That could be a good compromise.[/p][/quote]Somehow Boris, I don't think that would financially stack up. If you look at the proposed P&R site at the North, it's very land hungry, probably larger than the old Sainsbury's site too. Doesn't help infrastructure does it to have a P&R in the middle of a retail park! Better off on the old abandoned Stane Park opposite the new Sainsbury's - better access for A12 links.[/p][/quote]Suzy, I'm sure you are right that a bigger site is needed for a decent P&R. I expect the one at Cuckoo Farm will be under-used, but something in the general Tollgate area would be a lot more popular. I bow to your superior knowledge of the requirements and of the abandoned Stane Park. However, if Mr Watts can't offer something seriously useful to Colchester, to compensate for the damage that will be done to so many town centre businesses, I don't see why his scheme should be approved. Boris
  • Score: 2

4:52pm Fri 7 Mar 14

zt00013 says...

dog man wrote:
Why protect our town center there is nothing there to protect. Our town center has got to be one of most boring town centers when compared to the likes of Chelmsford. with there big shopping centers and decant shops e.g. prime mark. I am all for out of town developments who wants to drive in to town spend ages finding a car parking space miles away pay for parking. Somewhere like Tollgate you can park right out side the shops for free, and you don't have to contend with the car ban and stupid bus lanes.
You really are a culturally barren individual.
[quote][p][bold]dog man[/bold] wrote: Why protect our town center there is nothing there to protect. Our town center has got to be one of most boring town centers when compared to the likes of Chelmsford. with there big shopping centers and decant shops e.g. prime mark. I am all for out of town developments who wants to drive in to town spend ages finding a car parking space miles away pay for parking. Somewhere like Tollgate you can park right out side the shops for free, and you don't have to contend with the car ban and stupid bus lanes.[/p][/quote]You really are a culturally barren individual. zt00013
  • Score: 1

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