Rail station jam solution ...but it costs £100million

Gazette: Rail station jam solution ...but it costs £100million Rail station jam solution ...but it costs £100million

RADICAL proposals to relocate Colchester North railway station to reduce congestion have been put forward... but it would cost £100million.

Beverley Davies, a borough councillor, admits the idea to build a new station in Cowdray Avenue, is “pie in the sky”, but she said motorists are fed up with traffic jams near Colchester North station and extreme ideas are needed.

Mrs Davies said the former Cowdray Centre site would provide the best location due to its proximity to the town centre.

She said: “Move the station. It is the most obvious thing.

“Cowdray Avenue would be a perfect place for a lovely new station.

“People would get off the train and would know exactly where they are. There would be a good link to Castle Park from there.

“The old station would be sold off and the money from the sale and car parking would go towards the cost of the new station.

“You wouldn’t get that pinchpoint you get under the railway bridge at North Station.”

Mrs Davies’ idea comes after Lib Dems in Colchester launched an online petition urging Essex County Council to take immediate action to relieve congestion around North Station roundabout.

Colchester Cycling Campaign, which supports the petition, urged people to come up with the most radical, bus, bike, and pedestrian-friendly proposal they could.

Mrs Davies said: “It is very pie in the sky but, as I see it, someone has got to have an idea to start it off.

“It may happen 50 years down the line, or it may never happen, but it is having that idea and putting it out there.

“I am not afraid to say things other people might think are stupid. ”

The Cowdray Centre was ravaged by fire in 2006. Last year Morrisons indicated an interest in the site.

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12:23pm Thu 9 Jan 14

shallowJoker says...

I think just about anyone is capable of pie in the sky idea's, how about a mono rail around Colchester, or our very own underground network, the list is endless, I sincerely hope this woman is not getting paid for these madcap idea's.
I think just about anyone is capable of pie in the sky idea's, how about a mono rail around Colchester, or our very own underground network, the list is endless, I sincerely hope this woman is not getting paid for these madcap idea's. shallowJoker

12:25pm Thu 9 Jan 14

pinkteapot says...

Errrrrr.... What? The jams aren't caused by traffic going into/out of the station. The only benefit would be if getting rid of the station meant that the roads could be widened, but that would only be possible if the entire railway line is relocated (unlikely!). First improvement would be to get rid of the pedestrian crossing lights by the Wickes roundabout. Put in footbridges and lose the lights that cause rush hour jams for drivers. Second improvement... I really don't know. There are simply far too many cars passing through the junction, for its size. It either needs widening, or bypassing, and I'm not sure that either is possible. We're selling our house and moving out of Turner Rise - can't wait to get away from this area as the congestion will only get worse as the new estates further north go up.
Errrrrr.... What? The jams aren't caused by traffic going into/out of the station. The only benefit would be if getting rid of the station meant that the roads could be widened, but that would only be possible if the entire railway line is relocated (unlikely!). First improvement would be to get rid of the pedestrian crossing lights by the Wickes roundabout. Put in footbridges and lose the lights that cause rush hour jams for drivers. Second improvement... I really don't know. There are simply far too many cars passing through the junction, for its size. It either needs widening, or bypassing, and I'm not sure that either is possible. We're selling our house and moving out of Turner Rise - can't wait to get away from this area as the congestion will only get worse as the new estates further north go up. pinkteapot

12:31pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Carlosfandangles says...

Whilst an idea it would be totally impractical - not enough room for enough lines and car parking and you would simply move the congestion from North Station to Cowdary Ave which of course is still a major thoroughfare. The only practical solution is a remodelling of the area ie a tunnel through where the car wash / lot is at present, the remodelling of the road to a dual carraigeway in both directions from the Norfolk pub to Ave of Remembrance, the introduction of 4 lanes on ave of remembrance (its wide enough to cope with minor changes even now) and a turn left lane from ave of remb to north station so people dont get held up at the roundabout. the last 3 are very easy fixes with minimal cost and would make a major impact. It is not actually North Station itself, its the approach to it.
Whilst an idea it would be totally impractical - not enough room for enough lines and car parking and you would simply move the congestion from North Station to Cowdary Ave which of course is still a major thoroughfare. The only practical solution is a remodelling of the area ie a tunnel through where the car wash / lot is at present, the remodelling of the road to a dual carraigeway in both directions from the Norfolk pub to Ave of Remembrance, the introduction of 4 lanes on ave of remembrance (its wide enough to cope with minor changes even now) and a turn left lane from ave of remb to north station so people dont get held up at the roundabout. the last 3 are very easy fixes with minimal cost and would make a major impact. It is not actually North Station itself, its the approach to it. Carlosfandangles

12:42pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Red Tape 2 says...

Wouldn't make a jot of difference - the problem is too much traffic using too few roads (made worse by losing capacity to bus lanes by the way!). What's needed is more routes across the railway line which cuts the town in half to reduce the bottleneck at North Station - which would cost a hell of a lot less than £100m!
Wouldn't make a jot of difference - the problem is too much traffic using too few roads (made worse by losing capacity to bus lanes by the way!). What's needed is more routes across the railway line which cuts the town in half to reduce the bottleneck at North Station - which would cost a hell of a lot less than £100m! Red Tape 2

12:50pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Red Tape 2 says...

Oh and less housing being approved without the improved infrastructure to match....
Oh and less housing being approved without the improved infrastructure to match.... Red Tape 2

1:10pm Thu 9 Jan 14

angryman!!! says...

Would just move the traffic closer to town and where would people park?
Would just move the traffic closer to town and where would people park? angryman!!!

1:14pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Bing Bong says...

Fool, go back to sleep woman.
Fool, go back to sleep woman. Bing Bong

1:24pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Wicky1 says...

A bridge spanning from the top of Balkerne Hill across to Mile End,nr the hospital linking up with the J28 link road to the A12 . This multi-lane highway would go above the river, railway and existing road network - therby avoiding congestion and flattening out the route for cyclists*. Getting really adventurous run a monorail alongside that shuttles back and forth from the town centre to the hospital (which is approaching the size of a village!)

I guestimate it would cost a £500 million not including my 10% commission. Do I win a prize?

*Dedicated sheltered and enclosed cycle lanes as it could get windy up that high.
A bridge spanning from the top of Balkerne Hill across to Mile End,nr the hospital linking up with the J28 link road to the A12 . This multi-lane highway would go above the river, railway and existing road network - therby avoiding congestion and flattening out the route for cyclists*. Getting really adventurous run a monorail alongside that shuttles back and forth from the town centre to the hospital (which is approaching the size of a village!) I guestimate it would cost a £500 million not including my 10% commission. Do I win a prize? *Dedicated sheltered and enclosed cycle lanes as it could get windy up that high. Wicky1

1:24pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Charley-f says...

This woman has clearly not been around Cowdray Avenue in rush hour, so how this is going to reduce congestion is beyond me, just an excuse to waste more money... I know what Colchester Council why don't you spend £100 million on making the town look decent and then maybe we may get more visitors.. Shocking
This woman has clearly not been around Cowdray Avenue in rush hour, so how this is going to reduce congestion is beyond me, just an excuse to waste more money... I know what Colchester Council why don't you spend £100 million on making the town look decent and then maybe we may get more visitors.. Shocking Charley-f

2:01pm Thu 9 Jan 14

romantic says...

I think CBC should start funding research into teleportation. I reckon £5,000,000,000,000 should crack it. Then we'd have no need for a train station at all, and the problem would be solved.
I think CBC should start funding research into teleportation. I reckon £5,000,000,000,000 should crack it. Then we'd have no need for a train station at all, and the problem would be solved. romantic

2:50pm Thu 9 Jan 14

margaretm says...

Another brainwave councillor who doesn't know the area!!!!! I live on Cowdray Ave so know the rush hour delays also this is the road used when accidents etc shut the A12..Putting the station in the Cowdray Center would have to allow access to a big car park ,taxi rank and oh yes buses up and down the congested area all day long !!!!!What a stupid idea when they have shunned Morrisons which I'm sure would create less hassle if they created a double roundabout where the existing traffic lights and Leisure Centre are .
Another brainwave councillor who doesn't know the area!!!!! I live on Cowdray Ave so know the rush hour delays also this is the road used when accidents etc shut the A12..Putting the station in the Cowdray Center would have to allow access to a big car park ,taxi rank and oh yes buses up and down the congested area all day long !!!!!What a stupid idea when they have shunned Morrisons which I'm sure would create less hassle if they created a double roundabout where the existing traffic lights and Leisure Centre are . margaretm

2:52pm Thu 9 Jan 14

alix18 says...

this woman is clearly a bellend
this woman is clearly a bellend alix18

2:52pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Reginald47 says...

This is a Tory councillor coming up with rather a stupid idea. That's normal and follows the path set by her leader Cllr Quince. The real shock is that the Gazette thought it worthwhile giving it so much space.
This is a Tory councillor coming up with rather a stupid idea. That's normal and follows the path set by her leader Cllr Quince. The real shock is that the Gazette thought it worthwhile giving it so much space. Reginald47

3:07pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Slamdoor312 says...

The problem is quite simple (much like this fool from the council) - adjust the traffic light phasing. It's inconsistent because the timimg is out, so is slightly different every day. Maybe one day in a month it's correct and has been on this cycle for a number of years. No wonder it's chaotic. Whoever is responsivble for that needs their backside kicking into action.
The problem is quite simple (much like this fool from the council) - adjust the traffic light phasing. It's inconsistent because the timimg is out, so is slightly different every day. Maybe one day in a month it's correct and has been on this cycle for a number of years. No wonder it's chaotic. Whoever is responsivble for that needs their backside kicking into action. Slamdoor312

3:11pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Shambolic says...

There are something like 3000 homes to be built in the Mile End area and you are going to move the station away from there?
Hmmm not sure
There are something like 3000 homes to be built in the Mile End area and you are going to move the station away from there? Hmmm not sure Shambolic

3:14pm Thu 9 Jan 14

998dave says...

How about putting a new road under the railway line from Northern Approach through the Cowdray Center junction onto Cowdray Avenue to allow traffic to get from one to the other without all of it having to use the Albert Roundabout? Should cost less, and wouldn't use all of the Cowdray Centre site...
Then make North Station Road, (past the Norfolk), a bus lane both ways as a lot of delays are knocked back onto the roundabouts due to traffic stuck on that road.
Maybe add a junction from teh A12 onto Bergholt Road so traffic doesn't have to come off the A12, along Ave of Rememberance then turn left.
Lastly actually police the junctions so vehicles driving inconsiderately or in the wrong places are fined. (Examples include cars/buses blocking roundabouts, cyclists ignoring red lights/lane discipline, and cars using bus/cycle lanes).
How about putting a new road under the railway line from Northern Approach through the Cowdray Center junction onto Cowdray Avenue to allow traffic to get from one to the other without all of it having to use the Albert Roundabout? Should cost less, and wouldn't use all of the Cowdray Centre site... Then make North Station Road, (past the Norfolk), a bus lane both ways as a lot of delays are knocked back onto the roundabouts due to traffic stuck on that road. Maybe add a junction from teh A12 onto Bergholt Road so traffic doesn't have to come off the A12, along Ave of Rememberance then turn left. Lastly actually police the junctions so vehicles driving inconsiderately or in the wrong places are fined. (Examples include cars/buses blocking roundabouts, cyclists ignoring red lights/lane discipline, and cars using bus/cycle lanes). 998dave

3:33pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Noah4x4 says...

It is too simplistic to suggest that all the traffic issues relate to station access and its railway arch. The irony is that during early morning and mid evening station commuter 'rush hours' 'it is often the easiest time to drive through this area. The bottlenecks occur later in the morning and earlier in the evening during Colchester's own local rush hour; and Saturdays.

I hence believe that a far more holistic solution is desired. It currently takes traffic far too long to escape from North Station Road into the Avenue of Remembrance and/or towards Balkerne Hill (so it backs up to and from the station island). Whilst there is a fast filter to turn left towards the Albert; the pedestrian crossings usually delay you. This is then not helped by traffic (except buses) being prohibited down the bus lane from Wickes to the Albert but not in reverse; hence traffic from the station struggles to get the first island; then turns left; and struggles back to the Albert island to get into Cowdray Avenue; only to meet traffic wanting to get to the station via N Station Road from the other direction; which is being delayed by the congestion you have just left. Why not simply make this (temporarily) a bus lane in BOTH directions (except for residents access); hence make traffic flow around only the main roads and see what happens. At the moment this is a overly limited choked one way gyratory system that simply snarls itself up on its own traffic and box junctions that get blocked by people that don't know how to use them,

I am not sure what the solution is; but it's much bigger the simply relocating the station. Wasn't there a suggestion of a tunnel from the Northern Approach Road to Cowdray Avenue? Won't that be cheaper and more efficient than a full relocation of the entire station?
It is too simplistic to suggest that all the traffic issues relate to station access and its railway arch. The irony is that during early morning and mid evening station commuter 'rush hours' 'it is often the easiest time to drive through this area. The bottlenecks occur later in the morning and earlier in the evening during Colchester's own local rush hour; and Saturdays. I hence believe that a far more holistic solution is desired. It currently takes traffic far too long to escape from North Station Road into the Avenue of Remembrance and/or towards Balkerne Hill (so it backs up to and from the station island). Whilst there is a fast filter to turn left towards the Albert; the pedestrian crossings usually delay you. This is then not helped by traffic (except buses) being prohibited down the bus lane from Wickes to the Albert but not in reverse; hence traffic from the station struggles to get the first island; then turns left; and struggles back to the Albert island to get into Cowdray Avenue; only to meet traffic wanting to get to the station via N Station Road from the other direction; which is being delayed by the congestion you have just left. Why not simply make this (temporarily) a bus lane in BOTH directions (except for residents access); hence make traffic flow around only the main roads and see what happens. At the moment this is a overly limited choked one way gyratory system that simply snarls itself up on its own traffic and box junctions that get blocked by people that don't know how to use them, I am not sure what the solution is; but it's much bigger the simply relocating the station. Wasn't there a suggestion of a tunnel from the Northern Approach Road to Cowdray Avenue? Won't that be cheaper and more efficient than a full relocation of the entire station? Noah4x4

3:36pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Noah4x4 says...

How remarkable that 998 Dave and me come up with almost exactly the same suggestion without any collusion and post moments apart.
How remarkable that 998 Dave and me come up with almost exactly the same suggestion without any collusion and post moments apart. Noah4x4

3:40pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Steve1210 says...

She's mad. The next thing she'll be saying is a car ban in the high street.... Oh wait....
She's mad. The next thing she'll be saying is a car ban in the high street.... Oh wait.... Steve1210

4:02pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Red Tape 2 says...

How does losing yet more road space to a bus lane help matters? We need less/no bus lanes not more!
How does losing yet more road space to a bus lane help matters? We need less/no bus lanes not more! Red Tape 2

4:34pm Thu 9 Jan 14

ColchGirl says...

Bing Bong wrote:
Fool, go back to sleep woman.
Well thank you very much Bing Bong for that well thought out and constructive comment. Why aren't there more people like you airing their views........oh wait, there are - ON JEREMY KYLE!!!

Someone remove the computer from this half wit
[quote][p][bold]Bing Bong[/bold] wrote: Fool, go back to sleep woman.[/p][/quote]Well thank you very much Bing Bong for that well thought out and constructive comment. Why aren't there more people like you airing their views........oh wait, there are - ON JEREMY KYLE!!! Someone remove the computer from this half wit ColchGirl

4:42pm Thu 9 Jan 14

mr pants says...

When the going was good our Council spent several thousands on consultants to advise it on traffic problems. Is this idiotic idea a result of some of that wasted money or did this councillor think this nonsense up on her own?
When the going was good our Council spent several thousands on consultants to advise it on traffic problems. Is this idiotic idea a result of some of that wasted money or did this councillor think this nonsense up on her own? mr pants

5:23pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Jess Jephcott says...

Er. The problem is actually to do with cars, not roads. Less cars, less congestion. Simples!
Er. The problem is actually to do with cars, not roads. Less cars, less congestion. Simples! Jess Jephcott

6:43pm Thu 9 Jan 14

998dave says...

Noah4x4 wrote:
How remarkable that 998 Dave and me come up with almost exactly the same suggestion without any collusion and post moments apart.
Great minds or fools.
[quote][p][bold]Noah4x4[/bold] wrote: How remarkable that 998 Dave and me come up with almost exactly the same suggestion without any collusion and post moments apart.[/p][/quote]Great minds or fools. 998dave

7:30pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Suffolkcommuter says...

She said: “Move the station. It is the most obvious thing"

No its not!!!!

She said: “Cowdray Avenue would be a perfect place for a lovely new station. People would get off the train and would know exactly where they are. There would be a good link to Castle Park from there"

No it wouldn't. And you know exactly where you are when you come out of Colchester North!!!! At...er.....Colchest
er North?

She said: "“I am not afraid to say things other people might think are stupid. ”

Clearly, mad as a box of frogs.
She said: “Move the station. It is the most obvious thing" No its not!!!! She said: “Cowdray Avenue would be a perfect place for a lovely new station. People would get off the train and would know exactly where they are. There would be a good link to Castle Park from there" No it wouldn't. And you know exactly where you are when you come out of Colchester North!!!! At...er.....Colchest er North? She said: "“I am not afraid to say things other people might think are stupid. ” Clearly, mad as a box of frogs. Suffolkcommuter

8:35pm Thu 9 Jan 14

colchester300yrs says...

What a completely idiotic idea. The woman clearly has no clue that the "proposed" site for her marvellous new station lies right on top of the railway junctions for the Clacton branch line, and the resulting grade separated turnouts, so you'll have to move them as well, rerouting the curves into eastgates level crossing through a housing estate at bottom of Ipswich road. Furthermore, attached to the existing station is a yard, used for stabling trains, layovers of freight trains and maintenance plant. If that moved, say by-by to asdas to make room. If it did not, then the existing land at the station cannot be re-used for anything. Utter utter rubbish from unqualified image merchant politicians. The answer to the traffic problems here are to widen the bridge to the east. That is quite simple to do. In addition, of course, re-route the main flow of traffic into the town onto Ipswich road, and lessen it globally by stopping building houses where they are not required for any reason but to obtain local income from London wages.
What a completely idiotic idea. The woman clearly has no clue that the "proposed" site for her marvellous new station lies right on top of the railway junctions for the Clacton branch line, and the resulting grade separated turnouts, so you'll have to move them as well, rerouting the curves into eastgates level crossing through a housing estate at bottom of Ipswich road. Furthermore, attached to the existing station is a yard, used for stabling trains, layovers of freight trains and maintenance plant. If that moved, say by-by to asdas to make room. If it did not, then the existing land at the station cannot be re-used for anything. Utter utter rubbish from unqualified image merchant politicians. The answer to the traffic problems here are to widen the bridge to the east. That is quite simple to do. In addition, of course, re-route the main flow of traffic into the town onto Ipswich road, and lessen it globally by stopping building houses where they are not required for any reason but to obtain local income from London wages. colchester300yrs

10:45pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Boris says...

998dave wrote:
Noah4x4 wrote:
How remarkable that 998 Dave and me come up with almost exactly the same suggestion without any collusion and post moments apart.
Great minds or fools.
Great minds definitely, but not original. A new road from near Asda under the railway to Cowdray Avenue was proposed several years ago, I think shortly after the fire which devastated the Cowdray Centre. There were diagrams in the local papers and the idea seemed to make obvious sense. Why was that never pursued? Why wasn't it made a precondition for granting planning permission for all those new homes? The Mile End councillors, including the council leader, should have been taking care of that.
[quote][p][bold]998dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noah4x4[/bold] wrote: How remarkable that 998 Dave and me come up with almost exactly the same suggestion without any collusion and post moments apart.[/p][/quote]Great minds or fools.[/p][/quote]Great minds definitely, but not original. A new road from near Asda under the railway to Cowdray Avenue was proposed several years ago, I think shortly after the fire which devastated the Cowdray Centre. There were diagrams in the local papers and the idea seemed to make obvious sense. Why was that never pursued? Why wasn't it made a precondition for granting planning permission for all those new homes? The Mile End councillors, including the council leader, should have been taking care of that. Boris

10:54pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Boris says...

The other remarkable aspect of this £100 million proposal is that it comes from an obscure Tory councillor, who seems to be trying to make a name for herself. Doesn't she pay any attention to Cameron, Osborne and Pickles, who are always banging on about there being no money to pay for anything?
Anyway, Ms Davies is following the tradition of Tory councillors for Prettygate who, except for Sue Lissimore, are ignorant of what goes on in the rest of Colchester.
The other remarkable aspect of this £100 million proposal is that it comes from an obscure Tory councillor, who seems to be trying to make a name for herself. Doesn't she pay any attention to Cameron, Osborne and Pickles, who are always banging on about there being no money to pay for anything? Anyway, Ms Davies is following the tradition of Tory councillors for Prettygate who, except for Sue Lissimore, are ignorant of what goes on in the rest of Colchester. Boris

10:38am Fri 10 Jan 14

ecc tax payer says...

I really believe the main problem are the roundabouts - they are not in sequence and some of the roads are too short, which means that traffic sits blocking the entrance/exit to the roundabout bringing the whole area to a standstill (as is evidenced by the amount of time you get stuck in Asda car park!) why there are traffic lights on roundabouts is beyond me - I thought the whole purpose of roundabouts was the keep the traffic flowing.
Also what about more trains stopping at Hythe & Colchester Town, then fewer people wouid need to go to Colchester North in the first place.
I really believe the main problem are the roundabouts - they are not in sequence and some of the roads are too short, which means that traffic sits blocking the entrance/exit to the roundabout bringing the whole area to a standstill (as is evidenced by the amount of time you get stuck in Asda car park!) why there are traffic lights on roundabouts is beyond me - I thought the whole purpose of roundabouts was the keep the traffic flowing. Also what about more trains stopping at Hythe & Colchester Town, then fewer people wouid need to go to Colchester North in the first place. ecc tax payer

11:10am Fri 10 Jan 14

jut1972 says...

Boris wrote:
998dave wrote:
Noah4x4 wrote:
How remarkable that 998 Dave and me come up with almost exactly the same suggestion without any collusion and post moments apart.
Great minds or fools.
Great minds definitely, but not original. A new road from near Asda under the railway to Cowdray Avenue was proposed several years ago, I think shortly after the fire which devastated the Cowdray Centre. There were diagrams in the local papers and the idea seemed to make obvious sense. Why was that never pursued? Why wasn't it made a precondition for granting planning permission for all those new homes? The Mile End councillors, including the council leader, should have been taking care of that.
Ah that's Anne Turrell on both counts. Always conspicuous by her absence at anything apart from pointing at pot holes and claiming success for things that haven't happened like the park and ride.
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]998dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noah4x4[/bold] wrote: How remarkable that 998 Dave and me come up with almost exactly the same suggestion without any collusion and post moments apart.[/p][/quote]Great minds or fools.[/p][/quote]Great minds definitely, but not original. A new road from near Asda under the railway to Cowdray Avenue was proposed several years ago, I think shortly after the fire which devastated the Cowdray Centre. There were diagrams in the local papers and the idea seemed to make obvious sense. Why was that never pursued? Why wasn't it made a precondition for granting planning permission for all those new homes? The Mile End councillors, including the council leader, should have been taking care of that.[/p][/quote]Ah that's Anne Turrell on both counts. Always conspicuous by her absence at anything apart from pointing at pot holes and claiming success for things that haven't happened like the park and ride. jut1972

2:00am Sat 11 Jan 14

Boris says...

jut1972 wrote:
Boris wrote:
998dave wrote:
Noah4x4 wrote:
How remarkable that 998 Dave and me come up with almost exactly the same suggestion without any collusion and post moments apart.
Great minds or fools.
Great minds definitely, but not original. A new road from near Asda under the railway to Cowdray Avenue was proposed several years ago, I think shortly after the fire which devastated the Cowdray Centre. There were diagrams in the local papers and the idea seemed to make obvious sense. Why was that never pursued? Why wasn't it made a precondition for granting planning permission for all those new homes? The Mile End councillors, including the council leader, should have been taking care of that.
Ah that's Anne Turrell on both counts. Always conspicuous by her absence at anything apart from pointing at pot holes and claiming success for things that haven't happened like the park and ride.
She also does a nice line in hand-wringing. Obviously I meant Anne, but the other Mile End councillors as well, including the always publicity-hungry Mr Goss.
[quote][p][bold]jut1972[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]998dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noah4x4[/bold] wrote: How remarkable that 998 Dave and me come up with almost exactly the same suggestion without any collusion and post moments apart.[/p][/quote]Great minds or fools.[/p][/quote]Great minds definitely, but not original. A new road from near Asda under the railway to Cowdray Avenue was proposed several years ago, I think shortly after the fire which devastated the Cowdray Centre. There were diagrams in the local papers and the idea seemed to make obvious sense. Why was that never pursued? Why wasn't it made a precondition for granting planning permission for all those new homes? The Mile End councillors, including the council leader, should have been taking care of that.[/p][/quote]Ah that's Anne Turrell on both counts. Always conspicuous by her absence at anything apart from pointing at pot holes and claiming success for things that haven't happened like the park and ride.[/p][/quote]She also does a nice line in hand-wringing. Obviously I meant Anne, but the other Mile End councillors as well, including the always publicity-hungry Mr Goss. Boris

2:09am Sat 11 Jan 14

Boris says...

ecc tax payer wrote:
I really believe the main problem are the roundabouts - they are not in sequence and some of the roads are too short, which means that traffic sits blocking the entrance/exit to the roundabout bringing the whole area to a standstill (as is evidenced by the amount of time you get stuck in Asda car park!) why there are traffic lights on roundabouts is beyond me - I thought the whole purpose of roundabouts was the keep the traffic flowing.
Also what about more trains stopping at Hythe & Colchester Town, then fewer people wouid need to go to Colchester North in the first place.
You have to let pedestrians cross the road safely. If the crossings weren't there, people would still cross anyway, and every time there was an accident the roundabouts would be paralysed for the rescue and investigation.
Agreed that more trains should stop at Hythe and Town, but most people are going to London or towns en route, so they would still go to North Station for a greater choice of trains.
[quote][p][bold]ecc tax payer[/bold] wrote: I really believe the main problem are the roundabouts - they are not in sequence and some of the roads are too short, which means that traffic sits blocking the entrance/exit to the roundabout bringing the whole area to a standstill (as is evidenced by the amount of time you get stuck in Asda car park!) why there are traffic lights on roundabouts is beyond me - I thought the whole purpose of roundabouts was the keep the traffic flowing. Also what about more trains stopping at Hythe & Colchester Town, then fewer people wouid need to go to Colchester North in the first place.[/p][/quote]You have to let pedestrians cross the road safely. If the crossings weren't there, people would still cross anyway, and every time there was an accident the roundabouts would be paralysed for the rescue and investigation. Agreed that more trains should stop at Hythe and Town, but most people are going to London or towns en route, so they would still go to North Station for a greater choice of trains. Boris

11:43am Sat 11 Jan 14

Red Tape 2 says...

Maybe a start would be to set the crossing lights outside Wickes to phase so they stop the traffic both ways at the same time?
Maybe a start would be to set the crossing lights outside Wickes to phase so they stop the traffic both ways at the same time? Red Tape 2

11:08am Wed 15 Jan 14

A Very Private Gentleman says...

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