Clubs turn blind eye to Colchester drunks says bar owner

Clubs turn blind eye to Colchester drunks says bar owner

Clubs turn blind eye to Colchester drunks says bar owner

First published in News

A BAR owner in Colchester’s St St Botolph’s Street has accused some premises of turning a blind eye to trouble in favour of chasing profits.

Osman Rasih, who runs the Silk Road, has defended his bar after Jonny Smith, 25, was left in a coma when he was attacked nearby.

He is “sick and tired” of people slating Queen and St Botolph’s streets and his venue in particular.

In a letter to the Gazette, he said some venues were turning a blind eye to behaviour because of strict targets and that Colchester was not as bad as most places in the country and policing in this town is a lot better Mr Rasih said: “Things could be improved if all the late night establishments act a bit more responsibly.

“Security is an added expense, but I believe all concerned would benefit in time.

“The public would feel a lot safer visiting establishments and can only help bring up the dying night time economy in this town.”

Mr Rasih said turning people away who have already got drunk at home would make people think twice.

He said the law-abiding majority have a part to play too.

He said: “Many bystanders are happy to just turn their backs when they see things are happening.

“I am not asking them to put themselves at risk, or take the law in to their own hands, but to at least call for help if they cannot help deal with the situation.”

Mr Rasih recently backed a proposal by Tory councillor Will Quince to introduce a late-night levy on nightspots that stay open into the small hours to fund extra police officers, the SOS Bus and clean-up costs.

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7:37am Mon 6 Jan 14

angryman!!! says...

Pot kettle black
Pot kettle black angryman!!!
  • Score: 22

8:30am Mon 6 Jan 14

ibelieveinangels says...

By the looks of ur door men they just throw them on the street and let then get on with it! And I think people dont tend to get involved because they are usually the ones that get the worse outcome. I dont go up town much now and I dread when my sons are old enough to go out drinking.
By the looks of ur door men they just throw them on the street and let then get on with it! And I think people dont tend to get involved because they are usually the ones that get the worse outcome. I dont go up town much now and I dread when my sons are old enough to go out drinking. ibelieveinangels
  • Score: 24

8:31am Mon 6 Jan 14

ibelieveinangels says...

Thinking of jonnys family at this difficult time
Thinking of jonnys family at this difficult time ibelieveinangels
  • Score: 15

8:56am Mon 6 Jan 14

B1gman says...

And silk road aint one of em?? Dont make me laugh. Its the main culprit !!
And silk road aint one of em?? Dont make me laugh. Its the main culprit !! B1gman
  • Score: 25

9:10am Mon 6 Jan 14

totallyfootball says...

I think if my club was sited as many times as this one I would take my head out of the sand (was going to say another saying) and look hard at myself in the mirror! Many people have made derogatory comments about this establishment so its not a one man campaign, so before telling others to get their house in order look nearer to home first!
I think if my club was sited as many times as this one I would take my head out of the sand (was going to say another saying) and look hard at myself in the mirror! Many people have made derogatory comments about this establishment so its not a one man campaign, so before telling others to get their house in order look nearer to home first! totallyfootball
  • Score: 15

10:04am Mon 6 Jan 14

victimsuncle says...

Mr Osman Rasih,it is my nephew John Smith who is still in a coma 5 days after the attack in queen street in the early hours of new years day,i have never been inside your establishment so its unfair to comment what goes on inside it.
With regards to your doorstaff its quite clear from seeing the bouncers programe that they take the view that if it happens outside your premises its not their problem.
Perhaps you would like to give your staff fresh instructions to intervene in any situation that happens within a certain radius of your venue.
With regard to the incident with my nephew there is an ongoing police investigation so i cant comment on many things right now as i want them to be allowed to do there job properly,however yourself and many others rightly say members of the public should intervene by calling the police,that is fine but i know for a fact on saturday 14th december there were only 5 police to cover the town centre for that busy night 2 weeks before christmas.
Many people need to take a look at what happens in our town
1/ the people themselves
2/ the bar owners
3/ the county council and police authority for allowing a situation where there are too few police officers on the street at times where statistics show violence increases.

Its only a minority taking part in the violence but its a minority that is too many.Mr Osman Rasih you made a mistake allowing your club to be used for that show,its portrayed a bad image for your club,for colchester.
I am pleased you support the idea of a late night levy and have already contacted our mp,pcc and local politicians supporting the idea,frankly we need additional private security on the streets to ensure the safety of the innocent members of the public on the streets of colchester.
While local businesses profit,my nephew and others suffer,as do mothers,girlfriends,
brothers,sisters friends and family,and the health service who are doing a fantastic job are picking up the bill.
I personally will consider objecting to the license of any late night establishment that does not do the right thing by the people of colchester
by doing what is right morally.
Mr Osman Rasih,it is my nephew John Smith who is still in a coma 5 days after the attack in queen street in the early hours of new years day,i have never been inside your establishment so its unfair to comment what goes on inside it. With regards to your doorstaff its quite clear from seeing the bouncers programe that they take the view that if it happens outside your premises its not their problem. Perhaps you would like to give your staff fresh instructions to intervene in any situation that happens within a certain radius of your venue. With regard to the incident with my nephew there is an ongoing police investigation so i cant comment on many things right now as i want them to be allowed to do there job properly,however yourself and many others rightly say members of the public should intervene by calling the police,that is fine but i know for a fact on saturday 14th december there were only 5 police to cover the town centre for that busy night 2 weeks before christmas. Many people need to take a look at what happens in our town 1/ the people themselves 2/ the bar owners 3/ the county council and police authority for allowing a situation where there are too few police officers on the street at times where statistics show violence increases. Its only a minority taking part in the violence but its a minority that is too many.Mr Osman Rasih you made a mistake allowing your club to be used for that show,its portrayed a bad image for your club,for colchester. I am pleased you support the idea of a late night levy and have already contacted our mp,pcc and local politicians supporting the idea,frankly we need additional private security on the streets to ensure the safety of the innocent members of the public on the streets of colchester. While local businesses profit,my nephew and others suffer,as do mothers,girlfriends, brothers,sisters friends and family,and the health service who are doing a fantastic job are picking up the bill. I personally will consider objecting to the license of any late night establishment that does not do the right thing by the people of colchester by doing what is right morally. victimsuncle
  • Score: 43

10:07am Mon 6 Jan 14

victimsuncle says...

ibelieveinangels wrote:
Thinking of jonnys family at this difficult time
Thankyou for your thoughts,his family are moved by the level of support that has been shown from people who do not even know him.
[quote][p][bold]ibelieveinangels[/bold] wrote: Thinking of jonnys family at this difficult time[/p][/quote]Thankyou for your thoughts,his family are moved by the level of support that has been shown from people who do not even know him. victimsuncle
  • Score: 4

10:12am Mon 6 Jan 14

ddrury says...

The editor of the Gazette obviously doesn't go to this venue to allow this to be printed. Drunks get in all the time and are served. The door staff throw people out on the street which causes more problems than containing it in the venue. I understand the owner wants to protect his venue but how about printing everyone else's view beside it. The blame will be passed from venue to venue but actually if they worked with each other on security and safety and they kept within the law on serving alchol, perhaps then there wouldn't be so much of a problem.
The editor of the Gazette obviously doesn't go to this venue to allow this to be printed. Drunks get in all the time and are served. The door staff throw people out on the street which causes more problems than containing it in the venue. I understand the owner wants to protect his venue but how about printing everyone else's view beside it. The blame will be passed from venue to venue but actually if they worked with each other on security and safety and they kept within the law on serving alchol, perhaps then there wouldn't be so much of a problem. ddrury
  • Score: 6

10:16am Mon 6 Jan 14

ddrury says...

“Security is an added expense, but I believe all concerned would benefit in time.' - Is this comment for real! Security (door staff) is a condition on most licenses and is a benefit from the moment the venue door opens.
“Security is an added expense, but I believe all concerned would benefit in time.' - Is this comment for real! Security (door staff) is a condition on most licenses and is a benefit from the moment the venue door opens. ddrury
  • Score: 5

10:29am Mon 6 Jan 14

SalmonHead says...

"Bouncers"

Idiot.
"Bouncers" Idiot. SalmonHead
  • Score: 0

2:04pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Scoot says...

Perhaps the owner of Silk Road didn't watch the recent TV programme in which his establishment 'starred'. Either that or he had a fit of the 'Arsene Wengers' . There were several scenes where people worse for wear from drinking were just thrown out into an alleyway to continue knocking seven shades of .... out of each other and one in particular where a female who was so plastered she couldn't stand upright in her heels was allowed in. Stones in glasshouses springs to mind Mr Rasih.
Perhaps the owner of Silk Road didn't watch the recent TV programme in which his establishment 'starred'. Either that or he had a fit of the 'Arsene Wengers' . There were several scenes where people worse for wear from drinking were just thrown out into an alleyway to continue knocking seven shades of .... out of each other and one in particular where a female who was so plastered she couldn't stand upright in her heels was allowed in. Stones in glasshouses springs to mind Mr Rasih. Scoot
  • Score: 6

3:01pm Mon 6 Jan 14

karen f says...

Upon reading this article two things spring to mind straight away.

1) Actions speak louder than words. Pubwatch as far as I'm aware are a group of licensees who are supposed to work together with the licensing officers, local police and council to ALL create a safer environment for their patrons and staff. This clearly isn't happening. As soon as any kind of initiative is mentioned to improve safety in the night-time economy nobody from the pub/club trade wants to talk.
2) People should come before profit. Pre-loading is a tough one to police BUT it is also wrong for all the establishments to offer such cheap promotions as they do. You cannot blame all town-centre violence on pre-loading.

All parties concerned with the night-time economy need to be held accountable and until they do, nothing is going to change.

Fifteen months of trying to implement safer measures in Colchester has taught me a huge lesson!

Lastly, I would like to wish Jonny a full recovery. My thoughts are with him, his family and friends.
Upon reading this article two things spring to mind straight away. 1) Actions speak louder than words. Pubwatch as far as I'm aware are a group of licensees who are supposed to work together with the licensing officers, local police and council to ALL create a safer environment for their patrons and staff. This clearly isn't happening. As soon as any kind of initiative is mentioned to improve safety in the night-time economy nobody from the pub/club trade wants to talk. 2) People should come before profit. Pre-loading is a tough one to police BUT it is also wrong for all the establishments to offer such cheap promotions as they do. You cannot blame all town-centre violence on pre-loading. All parties concerned with the night-time economy need to be held accountable and until they do, nothing is going to change. Fifteen months of trying to implement safer measures in Colchester has taught me a huge lesson! Lastly, I would like to wish Jonny a full recovery. My thoughts are with him, his family and friends. karen f
  • Score: 3

4:19pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Ritchie_Hicks says...

The Silk Road advertises in the Gazette, so it's no suprise they've got this editorial in!
The Silk Road advertises in the Gazette, so it's no suprise they've got this editorial in! Ritchie_Hicks
  • Score: 7

8:52pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Taximan01 says...

I don't know if the law has changed since I was a door man in manchester roughly 10 years ago but back then you were only licensed to deal with altercations on the licensed premises, any altercations "off premises" & you were treated as a normal member of the public & liable to prosecution for affray. As I said, I don't know if that still stands & if it does, then no door staff should be intervening in any way off the premises except to administer first aid.
Secondly, a point missed out by many people is the type of music played to these drunken idiots. If you drive your car listening to fast energetic music, sometimes, without realising, you start to increase your speed along with the music. If anyone has ever been in Silk Road, you'd know the type of hard thumping cr&p they play, added to young testosterone driven drunk males (& some women who have probably been happy to receive some of that testosterone) then you're on course for mayhem.
Anyone ever been to a Northern Soul night? or a Motown night? You'll see a completely different outcome at the end of the night.
I hope the young Mr Smith makes a full recovery & they deal with those scum appropriately !
I don't know if the law has changed since I was a door man in manchester roughly 10 years ago but back then you were only licensed to deal with altercations on the licensed premises, any altercations "off premises" & you were treated as a normal member of the public & liable to prosecution for affray. As I said, I don't know if that still stands & if it does, then no door staff should be intervening in any way off the premises except to administer first aid. Secondly, a point missed out by many people is the type of music played to these drunken idiots. If you drive your car listening to fast energetic music, sometimes, without realising, you start to increase your speed along with the music. If anyone has ever been in Silk Road, you'd know the type of hard thumping cr&p they play, added to young testosterone driven drunk males (& some women who have probably been happy to receive some of that testosterone) then you're on course for mayhem. Anyone ever been to a Northern Soul night? or a Motown night? You'll see a completely different outcome at the end of the night. I hope the young Mr Smith makes a full recovery & they deal with those scum appropriately ! Taximan01
  • Score: 5

10:20pm Mon 6 Jan 14

A Very Private Gentleman says...

victimsuncle wrote:
Mr Osman Rasih,it is my nephew John Smith who is still in a coma 5 days after the attack in queen street in the early hours of new years day,i have never been inside your establishment so its unfair to comment what goes on inside it.
With regards to your doorstaff its quite clear from seeing the bouncers programe that they take the view that if it happens outside your premises its not their problem.
Perhaps you would like to give your staff fresh instructions to intervene in any situation that happens within a certain radius of your venue.
With regard to the incident with my nephew there is an ongoing police investigation so i cant comment on many things right now as i want them to be allowed to do there job properly,however yourself and many others rightly say members of the public should intervene by calling the police,that is fine but i know for a fact on saturday 14th december there were only 5 police to cover the town centre for that busy night 2 weeks before christmas.
Many people need to take a look at what happens in our town
1/ the people themselves
2/ the bar owners
3/ the county council and police authority for allowing a situation where there are too few police officers on the street at times where statistics show violence increases.

Its only a minority taking part in the violence but its a minority that is too many.Mr Osman Rasih you made a mistake allowing your club to be used for that show,its portrayed a bad image for your club,for colchester.
I am pleased you support the idea of a late night levy and have already contacted our mp,pcc and local politicians supporting the idea,frankly we need additional private security on the streets to ensure the safety of the innocent members of the public on the streets of colchester.
While local businesses profit,my nephew and others suffer,as do mothers,girlfriends,

brothers,sisters friends and family,and the health service who are doing a fantastic job are picking up the bill.
I personally will consider objecting to the license of any late night establishment that does not do the right thing by the people of colchester
by doing what is right morally.
My condolences to you and your family during an awful time old friend+

I recall three years ago a poster on this site, claiming the area had gone down hill after a disabled lad had his eye gouged out on the corner of Priory Street.

I remember reading a pillory of statements made against the poster as soon as they made their statements about attacks in this area.

I owned property in St Botolphs for 50 years and the area has gone down hill rapidly.
The Bouncer show had made matters worse very worse!

I will not allow my son's in the area at night especially friday or saturday:

Essex Police must get a grip! We have no divisional commander and have not had one for some time.

The senior officer covering the town has appeared to loose grip of policing and protecting the area.

Mr Rasih does not have a point and that bar needs to return to its fromer state of being a cafe bar type Muswells or a shop store of value.

Nightclubs should never have allowed to come into the town centre after the Windmill, Guynes Court and The Tarten House Closed:

The Hypodrome/ The Affair and The Andromeda should have only been the clubs to allow to operate dance music licences in the town:

St Botolphs has turned into a slum dump, however the £70 Million injection of the new development there may cure the problem:

The only way to get the message across to Grand Architect of The Universe Pritchard and Sir Robbo of Nayland & Donyland:

Is to boycott the area totally until the shop owners pressure the Blue Bloods to do something about it?
[quote][p][bold]victimsuncle[/bold] wrote: Mr Osman Rasih,it is my nephew John Smith who is still in a coma 5 days after the attack in queen street in the early hours of new years day,i have never been inside your establishment so its unfair to comment what goes on inside it. With regards to your doorstaff its quite clear from seeing the bouncers programe that they take the view that if it happens outside your premises its not their problem. Perhaps you would like to give your staff fresh instructions to intervene in any situation that happens within a certain radius of your venue. With regard to the incident with my nephew there is an ongoing police investigation so i cant comment on many things right now as i want them to be allowed to do there job properly,however yourself and many others rightly say members of the public should intervene by calling the police,that is fine but i know for a fact on saturday 14th december there were only 5 police to cover the town centre for that busy night 2 weeks before christmas. Many people need to take a look at what happens in our town 1/ the people themselves 2/ the bar owners 3/ the county council and police authority for allowing a situation where there are too few police officers on the street at times where statistics show violence increases. Its only a minority taking part in the violence but its a minority that is too many.Mr Osman Rasih you made a mistake allowing your club to be used for that show,its portrayed a bad image for your club,for colchester. I am pleased you support the idea of a late night levy and have already contacted our mp,pcc and local politicians supporting the idea,frankly we need additional private security on the streets to ensure the safety of the innocent members of the public on the streets of colchester. While local businesses profit,my nephew and others suffer,as do mothers,girlfriends, brothers,sisters friends and family,and the health service who are doing a fantastic job are picking up the bill. I personally will consider objecting to the license of any late night establishment that does not do the right thing by the people of colchester by doing what is right morally.[/p][/quote]My condolences to you and your family during an awful time old friend+ I recall three years ago a poster on this site, claiming the area had gone down hill after a disabled lad had his eye gouged out on the corner of Priory Street. I remember reading a pillory of statements made against the poster as soon as they made their statements about attacks in this area. I owned property in St Botolphs for 50 years and the area has gone down hill rapidly. The Bouncer show had made matters worse very worse! I will not allow my son's in the area at night especially friday or saturday: Essex Police must get a grip! We have no divisional commander and have not had one for some time. The senior officer covering the town has appeared to loose grip of policing and protecting the area. Mr Rasih does not have a point and that bar needs to return to its fromer state of being a cafe bar type Muswells or a shop store of value. Nightclubs should never have allowed to come into the town centre after the Windmill, Guynes Court and The Tarten House Closed: The Hypodrome/ The Affair and The Andromeda should have only been the clubs to allow to operate dance music licences in the town: St Botolphs has turned into a slum dump, however the £70 Million injection of the new development there may cure the problem: The only way to get the message across to Grand Architect of The Universe Pritchard and Sir Robbo of Nayland & Donyland: Is to boycott the area totally until the shop owners pressure the Blue Bloods to do something about it? A Very Private Gentleman
  • Score: 6

3:35pm Tue 7 Jan 14

HARRY438 says...

Stop serving alcohol at 11.30 pm. & let the revellers drink at home. Save money on bouncers, police & A&E staff?
Colchester town centre has become Jekyll in daylight & Hyde every night.
Stop serving alcohol at 11.30 pm. & let the revellers drink at home. Save money on bouncers, police & A&E staff? Colchester town centre has become Jekyll in daylight & Hyde every night. HARRY438
  • Score: 3

3:48pm Tue 7 Jan 14

romantic says...

I don't want to sound like an old "hang em high" fogey, but when I was a teenager, somebody who was drunk beyond reason was thrown in the cells for the night. It was an instant thing that got them off the streets for the night, and the fine a few days or weeks later acted as an extra deterrent next time (in some cases, anyway). It only takes a couple of drunks to start all kinds of trouble when they start bumping into other groups of lads. They're not just going to go home of their own accord, meaning they are a danger to others and themselves. Stick them in the "drunk tank" as the US calls it, kick them out in the morning when the hangover starts to kick in. The lesson is learned far more quickly that way!

The clubs certainly have the responsibility to spot when people are too drunk to function and kick them out, but when they are outside, as taximan01 says, the doormen have no jurisdiction except as members of the public, and indeed leave themselves open to charges of assault.

Mr Rasih seems to think the public should step in. But seriously, how many people will feel confident enough to do that. I'm a heavily built guy and can certainly look after myself, but I would be very hesitant to confront a group of drunks. He cannot pin the blame on other clubs and not on his own club. Not all the trouble in Queen St is solely down to Silk Road, but it acts as a magnet late at night when everywhere else shuts.
I don't want to sound like an old "hang em high" fogey, but when I was a teenager, somebody who was drunk beyond reason was thrown in the cells for the night. It was an instant thing that got them off the streets for the night, and the fine a few days or weeks later acted as an extra deterrent next time (in some cases, anyway). It only takes a couple of drunks to start all kinds of trouble when they start bumping into other groups of lads. They're not just going to go home of their own accord, meaning they are a danger to others and themselves. Stick them in the "drunk tank" as the US calls it, kick them out in the morning when the hangover starts to kick in. The lesson is learned far more quickly that way! The clubs certainly have the responsibility to spot when people are too drunk to function and kick them out, but when they are outside, as taximan01 says, the doormen have no jurisdiction except as members of the public, and indeed leave themselves open to charges of assault. Mr Rasih seems to think the public should step in. But seriously, how many people will feel confident enough to do that. I'm a heavily built guy and can certainly look after myself, but I would be very hesitant to confront a group of drunks. He cannot pin the blame on other clubs and not on his own club. Not all the trouble in Queen St is solely down to Silk Road, but it acts as a magnet late at night when everywhere else shuts. romantic
  • Score: 2

3:52am Wed 8 Jan 14

Puzzle__ says...

I go out drinking in Colchester most nights and tonight seemed to be a magnet for trouble police running down the high street, lights flashing and heading towards queen street, silk road can't take all the blame but they need to accept some of it. I avoid that place as much as possible the only reason I will step foot in the place is too look after my friends. From this place I have had a girl hit me in the face resulting in a black eye for no reason, I even caught up with her a couple of weeks later and she didn't know why herself, there is hassle in that club and drunks are continually allowed in through the door. Stop allowing drunk people in this place just to make money and maybe all the bad publicity will stop.

My heart goes out to the victim from new years and to his family, I hope his recovery is going well and he can return to his family.
I go out drinking in Colchester most nights and tonight seemed to be a magnet for trouble police running down the high street, lights flashing and heading towards queen street, silk road can't take all the blame but they need to accept some of it. I avoid that place as much as possible the only reason I will step foot in the place is too look after my friends. From this place I have had a girl hit me in the face resulting in a black eye for no reason, I even caught up with her a couple of weeks later and she didn't know why herself, there is hassle in that club and drunks are continually allowed in through the door. Stop allowing drunk people in this place just to make money and maybe all the bad publicity will stop. My heart goes out to the victim from new years and to his family, I hope his recovery is going well and he can return to his family. Puzzle__
  • Score: 1

4:29pm Wed 8 Jan 14

stevedawson says...

The club owners supply you with enjoyment.the police keep the peace.what happens when the enjoyment relies on alcohol and the police numbers are deficient. Colchester at weekends.
The club owners supply you with enjoyment.the police keep the peace.what happens when the enjoyment relies on alcohol and the police numbers are deficient. Colchester at weekends. stevedawson
  • Score: 3

9:56pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Lazyd08 says...

My son and his friends went out to Colchester on new years eve unfortunately they got seperated but only by a few metres and when he and and some of his friends turned a corner the friends who were walking in front managed to get attacked including a young girl who was only walking with the group for safety. My son and his friends managed to stay out of trouble but were shocked at how quickly things can get out of hand and they were walking in Lion Walk. My son and his friends had come home from Uni for the holidays period. All said that they will reconsider in future. Why come from places like Manchester/Liverpool
/Nottingham etc where they feel safe to Colchester where they grew up to be attacked like their friend Robin Ritchie Colchester has had this stigma for too long. It used to be blamed on the soldiers.
My son and his friends went out to Colchester on new years eve unfortunately they got seperated but only by a few metres and when he and and some of his friends turned a corner the friends who were walking in front managed to get attacked including a young girl who was only walking with the group for safety. My son and his friends managed to stay out of trouble but were shocked at how quickly things can get out of hand and they were walking in Lion Walk. My son and his friends had come home from Uni for the holidays period. All said that they will reconsider in future. Why come from places like Manchester/Liverpool /Nottingham etc where they feel safe to Colchester where they grew up to be attacked like their friend Robin Ritchie Colchester has had this stigma for too long. It used to be blamed on the soldiers. Lazyd08
  • Score: -1

10:59pm Wed 8 Jan 14

thegreenman says...

karen f wrote:
Upon reading this article two things spring to mind straight away.

1) Actions speak louder than words. Pubwatch as far as I'm aware are a group of licensees who are supposed to work together with the licensing officers, local police and council to ALL create a safer environment for their patrons and staff. This clearly isn't happening. As soon as any kind of initiative is mentioned to improve safety in the night-time economy nobody from the pub/club trade wants to talk.
2) People should come before profit. Pre-loading is a tough one to police BUT it is also wrong for all the establishments to offer such cheap promotions as they do. You cannot blame all town-centre violence on pre-loading.

All parties concerned with the night-time economy need to be held accountable and until they do, nothing is going to change.

Fifteen months of trying to implement safer measures in Colchester has taught me a huge lesson!

Lastly, I would like to wish Jonny a full recovery. My thoughts are with him, his family and friends.
You cannot blaming every single bar in Colchester for the problems, are you saying that nowhere is safe....if so state it. What you are wanting to do will be very hard to implement as every single place will have to have plastic, including restaurants, BUT how does glassing compare to knifing crimes. And all off licences should carry all plastic bottles, BOROUGH WIDE. Also to say that Pub / Bar owners/managers put profit before people is ridiculous. All Police forces has statistics showing where crimes happen and by using this they can target specific venues to try and solve the problem. And finally these 2 horrific incidents over the Xmas period are awful, everyone agrees, but I do not believe it involved anything more than over the top violence (please correct me on this if I am wrong) Finally there are some nice places to go out in Colchester they are not all bad !
[quote][p][bold]karen f[/bold] wrote: Upon reading this article two things spring to mind straight away. 1) Actions speak louder than words. Pubwatch as far as I'm aware are a group of licensees who are supposed to work together with the licensing officers, local police and council to ALL create a safer environment for their patrons and staff. This clearly isn't happening. As soon as any kind of initiative is mentioned to improve safety in the night-time economy nobody from the pub/club trade wants to talk. 2) People should come before profit. Pre-loading is a tough one to police BUT it is also wrong for all the establishments to offer such cheap promotions as they do. You cannot blame all town-centre violence on pre-loading. All parties concerned with the night-time economy need to be held accountable and until they do, nothing is going to change. Fifteen months of trying to implement safer measures in Colchester has taught me a huge lesson! Lastly, I would like to wish Jonny a full recovery. My thoughts are with him, his family and friends.[/p][/quote]You cannot blaming every single bar in Colchester for the problems, are you saying that nowhere is safe....if so state it. What you are wanting to do will be very hard to implement as every single place will have to have plastic, including restaurants, BUT how does glassing compare to knifing crimes. And all off licences should carry all plastic bottles, BOROUGH WIDE. Also to say that Pub / Bar owners/managers put profit before people is ridiculous. All Police forces has statistics showing where crimes happen and by using this they can target specific venues to try and solve the problem. And finally these 2 horrific incidents over the Xmas period are awful, everyone agrees, but I do not believe it involved anything more than over the top violence (please correct me on this if I am wrong) Finally there are some nice places to go out in Colchester they are not all bad ! thegreenman
  • Score: 0

11:35pm Wed 8 Jan 14

karen f says...

thegreenman wrote:
karen f wrote:
Upon reading this article two things spring to mind straight away.

1) Actions speak louder than words. Pubwatch as far as I'm aware are a group of licensees who are supposed to work together with the licensing officers, local police and council to ALL create a safer environment for their patrons and staff. This clearly isn't happening. As soon as any kind of initiative is mentioned to improve safety in the night-time economy nobody from the pub/club trade wants to talk.
2) People should come before profit. Pre-loading is a tough one to police BUT it is also wrong for all the establishments to offer such cheap promotions as they do. You cannot blame all town-centre violence on pre-loading.

All parties concerned with the night-time economy need to be held accountable and until they do, nothing is going to change.

Fifteen months of trying to implement safer measures in Colchester has taught me a huge lesson!

Lastly, I would like to wish Jonny a full recovery. My thoughts are with him, his family and friends.
You cannot blaming every single bar in Colchester for the problems, are you saying that nowhere is safe....if so state it. What you are wanting to do will be very hard to implement as every single place will have to have plastic, including restaurants, BUT how does glassing compare to knifing crimes. And all off licences should carry all plastic bottles, BOROUGH WIDE. Also to say that Pub / Bar owners/managers put profit before people is ridiculous. All Police forces has statistics showing where crimes happen and by using this they can target specific venues to try and solve the problem. And finally these 2 horrific incidents over the Xmas period are awful, everyone agrees, but I do not believe it involved anything more than over the top violence (please correct me on this if I am wrong) Finally there are some nice places to go out in Colchester they are not all bad !
If you read my comment properly I am saying that Pubwatch, together with the licensing officers, the police and the council all meet to work together on keeping the town/city they're in as safe and efficient as possible. I am in no way saying that any particular or all late-night venues in Colchester are unsafe. I am talking about Colchester town centre as a whole. Every single time a new initiative has been mentioned i.e. changing to polycarbonate glasses and PET bottles or the late-night levy that Will Quince has come up with, straight away, somebody from the licensing trade in Colchester has been very quick to say no. The gazette has tried to interview/ask licensed premises their views but no one is available for comment. We are asking late-night pubs and clubs only to make the switch, it's not a blanket ban so wouldn't include restaurants as you have stated. The reason I say that profit is put before people is because that is always the first argument that arises whenever polycarbonate glasses are mentioned. Yes, they are slightly more to purchase initially BUT because they last longer than glass, they actually become cost-neutral very quickly. Every glass that gets knocked off a table or dropped accidentally has to be replaced that does not happen with polycarbonate. A 2 tonne truck can run over them and they don't break! You cannot even compare knife crime to glassings as unfortunately anyone who wants to carry a knife doesn't have too much problem in obtaining one. My kitchen drawers are full of them and I'm sure so is everybody elses. What is the point of doormen checking people's ID to see if they're under-age, in some places, pat them down for drugs and make sure they are not already too intoxicated to enter a premises to then hand them a potential weapon over the bar. No matter how many CCTV cameras you have and no matter how good your doormen are at their jobs, a glassing attack or someone deciding to throw a glass or bottle in a packed place takes a second and it is always going to end messy! Bottles littered about the streets, whether whole or broken can easily become weapons as well as walked/fallen upon. I am not the only person to air my views on late-night alcohol-fuelled violence. What you may see as 2 over-the-top acts of violence, others, such as myself, see them as things rapidly getting out of hand. We are all entitled to our own opinion after all. There are 87,000 victims of glass crime a year and this would be a huge step forward in making an impact to eradicate it. I have never said that there aren't nice place to go out in in Colchester, I also haven't used such phrases as 'no go areas' and 'ghetto' but others have over the past few weeks!
[quote][p][bold]thegreenman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]karen f[/bold] wrote: Upon reading this article two things spring to mind straight away. 1) Actions speak louder than words. Pubwatch as far as I'm aware are a group of licensees who are supposed to work together with the licensing officers, local police and council to ALL create a safer environment for their patrons and staff. This clearly isn't happening. As soon as any kind of initiative is mentioned to improve safety in the night-time economy nobody from the pub/club trade wants to talk. 2) People should come before profit. Pre-loading is a tough one to police BUT it is also wrong for all the establishments to offer such cheap promotions as they do. You cannot blame all town-centre violence on pre-loading. All parties concerned with the night-time economy need to be held accountable and until they do, nothing is going to change. Fifteen months of trying to implement safer measures in Colchester has taught me a huge lesson! Lastly, I would like to wish Jonny a full recovery. My thoughts are with him, his family and friends.[/p][/quote]You cannot blaming every single bar in Colchester for the problems, are you saying that nowhere is safe....if so state it. What you are wanting to do will be very hard to implement as every single place will have to have plastic, including restaurants, BUT how does glassing compare to knifing crimes. And all off licences should carry all plastic bottles, BOROUGH WIDE. Also to say that Pub / Bar owners/managers put profit before people is ridiculous. All Police forces has statistics showing where crimes happen and by using this they can target specific venues to try and solve the problem. And finally these 2 horrific incidents over the Xmas period are awful, everyone agrees, but I do not believe it involved anything more than over the top violence (please correct me on this if I am wrong) Finally there are some nice places to go out in Colchester they are not all bad ![/p][/quote]If you read my comment properly I am saying that Pubwatch, together with the licensing officers, the police and the council all meet to work together on keeping the town/city they're in as safe and efficient as possible. I am in no way saying that any particular or all late-night venues in Colchester are unsafe. I am talking about Colchester town centre as a whole. Every single time a new initiative has been mentioned i.e. changing to polycarbonate glasses and PET bottles or the late-night levy that Will Quince has come up with, straight away, somebody from the licensing trade in Colchester has been very quick to say no. The gazette has tried to interview/ask licensed premises their views but no one is available for comment. We are asking late-night pubs and clubs only to make the switch, it's not a blanket ban so wouldn't include restaurants as you have stated. The reason I say that profit is put before people is because that is always the first argument that arises whenever polycarbonate glasses are mentioned. Yes, they are slightly more to purchase initially BUT because they last longer than glass, they actually become cost-neutral very quickly. Every glass that gets knocked off a table or dropped accidentally has to be replaced that does not happen with polycarbonate. A 2 tonne truck can run over them and they don't break! You cannot even compare knife crime to glassings as unfortunately anyone who wants to carry a knife doesn't have too much problem in obtaining one. My kitchen drawers are full of them and I'm sure so is everybody elses. What is the point of doormen checking people's ID to see if they're under-age, in some places, pat them down for drugs and make sure they are not already too intoxicated to enter a premises to then hand them a potential weapon over the bar. No matter how many CCTV cameras you have and no matter how good your doormen are at their jobs, a glassing attack or someone deciding to throw a glass or bottle in a packed place takes a second and it is always going to end messy! Bottles littered about the streets, whether whole or broken can easily become weapons as well as walked/fallen upon. I am not the only person to air my views on late-night alcohol-fuelled violence. What you may see as 2 over-the-top acts of violence, others, such as myself, see them as things rapidly getting out of hand. We are all entitled to our own opinion after all. There are 87,000 victims of glass crime a year and this would be a huge step forward in making an impact to eradicate it. I have never said that there aren't nice place to go out in in Colchester, I also haven't used such phrases as 'no go areas' and 'ghetto' but others have over the past few weeks! karen f
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12:19am Thu 9 Jan 14

karen f says...

Here's an example for you. Exeter are currently looking into changing to polycarbonate and PET. A guy was glassed very recently and may lose the sight in one eye. A poll held in their local paper came out as over 90% in favour of getting rid of glass. If it's a crime to care about others, then yes, I am guilty as charged m'lord! Here's the link to the article http://www.exeterexp
ressandecho.co.uk/Co
uncillors-push-ban-g
lass-Exeter-clubs/st
ory-20415175-detail/
story.html?%3F%3F#ix
zz2poNh0Bdb
Here's an example for you. Exeter are currently looking into changing to polycarbonate and PET. A guy was glassed very recently and may lose the sight in one eye. A poll held in their local paper came out as over 90% in favour of getting rid of glass. If it's a crime to care about others, then yes, I am guilty as charged m'lord! Here's the link to the article http://www.exeterexp ressandecho.co.uk/Co uncillors-push-ban-g lass-Exeter-clubs/st ory-20415175-detail/ story.html?%3F%3F#ix zz2poNh0Bdb karen f
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