Man, 25, in critical condition following Colchester town centre attack

Gazette: The scene in Queen Street this morning. The scene in Queen Street this morning.

A MAN is in a critical condition after being attacked in Colchester town centre early on New Year's Day.

The victim, 25, suffered serious head injuries shortly before 2am on Queen Street.

He was taken by paramedics to Colchester General Hospital, but was then transferred to Romford's Queens Hospital, which specialises in treating head injuries.

Police officers were flagged to the scene by a reveller.

They arrested a 21-year-old man of no fixed abode at a nearby takeaway on suspicion of assault. He is currently being questioned at Colchester police station.

Detectives reviewed CCTV and found there had been a series of street asaaults within a matter of minutes.

Senior Investigating Officer, DCI Simon Werrett, said: "We have reviewed CCTV and this shows three separate incidents on Queen Street; an assault outside The Silk Road nightclub, a further assault outside Subway and then the final one further down Queen Street.

"We would like to speak to the victims of the first two assaults or witnesses to these incidents.”

Anyone with information should contact detectives at Colchester police station on 101.

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11:50am Wed 1 Jan 14

hughie-s says...

Perhaps they could make a start by getting the locations correct. Queen St runs from High St to Long Wyre Street. Silk Road & Subway are in St Botolphs' Street.
Perhaps they could make a start by getting the locations correct. Queen St runs from High St to Long Wyre Street. Silk Road & Subway are in St Botolphs' Street. hughie-s
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11:53am Wed 1 Jan 14

co4 says...

hughie-s wrote:
Perhaps they could make a start by getting the locations correct. Queen St runs from High St to Long Wyre Street. Silk Road & Subway are in St Botolphs' Street.
Yes I'm sure the victims family are furious that the name of the road is incorrect.
[quote][p][bold]hughie-s[/bold] wrote: Perhaps they could make a start by getting the locations correct. Queen St runs from High St to Long Wyre Street. Silk Road & Subway are in St Botolphs' Street.[/p][/quote]Yes I'm sure the victims family are furious that the name of the road is incorrect. co4
  • Score: 73

12:05pm Wed 1 Jan 14

hughie-s says...

co4 wrote:
hughie-s wrote:
Perhaps they could make a start by getting the locations correct. Queen St runs from High St to Long Wyre Street. Silk Road & Subway are in St Botolphs' Street.
Yes I'm sure the victims family are furious that the name of the road is incorrect.
Incorrect locations are not going to help the search for witnesses. Is "..the final one further down Queen Street. " Queen St, St Botolphs' St or St Botolphs' Circus?

If the wrong location is shown on a charge could it result in the case getting thrown out?
[quote][p][bold]co4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hughie-s[/bold] wrote: Perhaps they could make a start by getting the locations correct. Queen St runs from High St to Long Wyre Street. Silk Road & Subway are in St Botolphs' Street.[/p][/quote]Yes I'm sure the victims family are furious that the name of the road is incorrect.[/p][/quote]Incorrect locations are not going to help the search for witnesses. Is "..the final one further down Queen Street. " Queen St, St Botolphs' St or St Botolphs' Circus? If the wrong location is shown on a charge could it result in the case getting thrown out? hughie-s
  • Score: -16

12:45pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Morant says...

I think everyone knows where that awful Silk Rd is, it brings so much negativity where Colchester is concerned. Only recently it was on Channel 4, leading to negative national opinions of our town.
I think everyone knows where that awful Silk Rd is, it brings so much negativity where Colchester is concerned. Only recently it was on Channel 4, leading to negative national opinions of our town. Morant
  • Score: 30

12:45pm Wed 1 Jan 14

cbcresident says...

Bearing in mind that Queen Street/St Botolphs Street is a notoriously bad area, and also given the fact that there was another terrible attack last week, you would've thought that maybe there would've been some sort of permanent Police presence in the area, and not just driving past to be flagged down! Where are the CCTV operators, surely their job is to watch what's happening and advise the police of any incidents?
Bearing in mind that Queen Street/St Botolphs Street is a notoriously bad area, and also given the fact that there was another terrible attack last week, you would've thought that maybe there would've been some sort of permanent Police presence in the area, and not just driving past to be flagged down! Where are the CCTV operators, surely their job is to watch what's happening and advise the police of any incidents? cbcresident
  • Score: 31

1:02pm Wed 1 Jan 14

friday_woods says...

I avoid that stretch of road and part of town at night. Its a place where the feral and feckless congregate to eat rubbish food and fight. Speedy recovery to the person assaulted.
I avoid that stretch of road and part of town at night. Its a place where the feral and feckless congregate to eat rubbish food and fight. Speedy recovery to the person assaulted. friday_woods
  • Score: 24

1:26pm Wed 1 Jan 14

stevedawson says...

Why blame the pubs clubs and police.they are not responsible for the rearing of demonic humans.
Why blame the pubs clubs and police.they are not responsible for the rearing of demonic humans. stevedawson
  • Score: 18

1:36pm Wed 1 Jan 14

PROOFREADER says...

hughie-s wrote:
Perhaps they could make a start by getting the locations correct. Queen St runs from High St to Long Wyre Street. Silk Road & Subway are in St Botolphs' Street.
Short Wyre Street not Long Wyre Street. Long Wyre Street is off of Short Wyre Street. Argos etc are in Long Wyre Street.
[quote][p][bold]hughie-s[/bold] wrote: Perhaps they could make a start by getting the locations correct. Queen St runs from High St to Long Wyre Street. Silk Road & Subway are in St Botolphs' Street.[/p][/quote]Short Wyre Street not Long Wyre Street. Long Wyre Street is off of Short Wyre Street. Argos etc are in Long Wyre Street. PROOFREADER
  • Score: -10

1:59pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Boris says...

Time to go back to all pubs and clubs closing at 11 pm? Sure, it will need a change in the law. But there is no need for any of these places to be open till 3 and 4 am. 11 pm closing should get everybody home by midnight, too.
Time to go back to all pubs and clubs closing at 11 pm? Sure, it will need a change in the law. But there is no need for any of these places to be open till 3 and 4 am. 11 pm closing should get everybody home by midnight, too. Boris
  • Score: 22

2:10pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Jess Jephcott says...

We have a purple flag you know! Apparently, Colchester is a safe town at night.
We have a purple flag you know! Apparently, Colchester is a safe town at night. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: 6

2:53pm Wed 1 Jan 14

co4 says...

Boris wrote:
Time to go back to all pubs and clubs closing at 11 pm? Sure, it will need a change in the law. But there is no need for any of these places to be open till 3 and 4 am. 11 pm closing should get everybody home by midnight, too.
It's very easy to blame the extended licensing hours but speaking as a Pub Manager, in my opinion, the problems lie with the supermarkets selling dangerously cheap alcohol. Put it this way, until recently, I worked for Greene King in a managed house, not a tenancy (so there was no brewery tie) and I found that it was cheaper to buy certain products from Tesco than it was to buy direct from Greene King. I'm in my mid 30's and I can remember when I was in my teens and was heading into town on a Saturday night, I would get to the pub at 7.30-8pm. Nowadays thanks to supermarkets loss leading alcohol, people are staying at home "pre-loading" with cheap drinks and not venturing into town until 10-10.30pm. The damage is done by and large by the time people arrive into town. The minimum unit price needs to be introduced to prevent 70% drunk people coming into town.

I think we also need to look at the general attitude of younger people (particularly those who frequent the awful Silk Road) as aggression and muscles appears to be all the rage nowadays.

Reverting back to 11pm closing would be the final nail in the coffin for the Pub trade which is suffering massively at the hands of increased duty, sky high rents and supermarkets selling it cheaper than pubs can buy it.

The Police need to be more proactive about trouble in this part of town. For heavens sake the whole country knows what a warzone that area of town can be thanks to "Bouncers" so it can hardly come as a surprise.
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: Time to go back to all pubs and clubs closing at 11 pm? Sure, it will need a change in the law. But there is no need for any of these places to be open till 3 and 4 am. 11 pm closing should get everybody home by midnight, too.[/p][/quote]It's very easy to blame the extended licensing hours but speaking as a Pub Manager, in my opinion, the problems lie with the supermarkets selling dangerously cheap alcohol. Put it this way, until recently, I worked for Greene King in a managed house, not a tenancy (so there was no brewery tie) and I found that it was cheaper to buy certain products from Tesco than it was to buy direct from Greene King. I'm in my mid 30's and I can remember when I was in my teens and was heading into town on a Saturday night, I would get to the pub at 7.30-8pm. Nowadays thanks to supermarkets loss leading alcohol, people are staying at home "pre-loading" with cheap drinks and not venturing into town until 10-10.30pm. The damage is done by and large by the time people arrive into town. The minimum unit price needs to be introduced to prevent 70% drunk people coming into town. I think we also need to look at the general attitude of younger people (particularly those who frequent the awful Silk Road) as aggression and muscles appears to be all the rage nowadays. Reverting back to 11pm closing would be the final nail in the coffin for the Pub trade which is suffering massively at the hands of increased duty, sky high rents and supermarkets selling it cheaper than pubs can buy it. The Police need to be more proactive about trouble in this part of town. For heavens sake the whole country knows what a warzone that area of town can be thanks to "Bouncers" so it can hardly come as a surprise. co4
  • Score: 22

4:08pm Wed 1 Jan 14

PROOFREADER says...

Morant wrote:
I think everyone knows where that awful Silk Rd is, it brings so much negativity where Colchester is concerned. Only recently it was on Channel 4, leading to negative national opinions of our town.
Apart from DCI Simon Werrett and the staff at the Gazette/Essex County Standard staff !
[quote][p][bold]Morant[/bold] wrote: I think everyone knows where that awful Silk Rd is, it brings so much negativity where Colchester is concerned. Only recently it was on Channel 4, leading to negative national opinions of our town.[/p][/quote]Apart from DCI Simon Werrett and the staff at the Gazette/Essex County Standard staff ! PROOFREADER
  • Score: 10

4:08pm Wed 1 Jan 14

PROOFREADER says...

Morant wrote:
I think everyone knows where that awful Silk Rd is, it brings so much negativity where Colchester is concerned. Only recently it was on Channel 4, leading to negative national opinions of our town.
Apart from DCI Simon Werrett and the staff at the Gazette/Essex County Standard staff !
[quote][p][bold]Morant[/bold] wrote: I think everyone knows where that awful Silk Rd is, it brings so much negativity where Colchester is concerned. Only recently it was on Channel 4, leading to negative national opinions of our town.[/p][/quote]Apart from DCI Simon Werrett and the staff at the Gazette/Essex County Standard staff ! PROOFREADER
  • Score: -3

4:09pm Wed 1 Jan 14

PROOFREADER says...

PROOFREADER wrote:
Morant wrote:
I think everyone knows where that awful Silk Rd is, it brings so much negativity where Colchester is concerned. Only recently it was on Channel 4, leading to negative national opinions of our town.
Apart from DCI Simon Werrett and the staff at the Gazette/Essex County Standard staff !
Ignore the last word "staff"
[quote][p][bold]PROOFREADER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Morant[/bold] wrote: I think everyone knows where that awful Silk Rd is, it brings so much negativity where Colchester is concerned. Only recently it was on Channel 4, leading to negative national opinions of our town.[/p][/quote]Apart from DCI Simon Werrett and the staff at the Gazette/Essex County Standard staff ![/p][/quote]Ignore the last word "staff" PROOFREADER
  • Score: -2

5:23pm Wed 1 Jan 14

angryman!!! says...

All that would happen if everything closed at 11 is everyone would be kicked out at the same time and the trouble would double. Harder punishment is the best way forward and also the levy aimed at pubs clubs that are open after 11 and playing music.
Let's not pretend this is a new thing I remember seeing big scraps in town 20 years ago, my parents tell me the same as does my grandad. The main thing is to be hard on the ones that fight in groups, use weapons or carry on when the other guy is down.
Hopefully this guy has a full recovery and the other guy gets taught a lesson
All that would happen if everything closed at 11 is everyone would be kicked out at the same time and the trouble would double. Harder punishment is the best way forward and also the levy aimed at pubs clubs that are open after 11 and playing music. Let's not pretend this is a new thing I remember seeing big scraps in town 20 years ago, my parents tell me the same as does my grandad. The main thing is to be hard on the ones that fight in groups, use weapons or carry on when the other guy is down. Hopefully this guy has a full recovery and the other guy gets taught a lesson angryman!!!
  • Score: 17

5:49pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Anonymous_10 says...

If the Silk Road was that awful i dont think the police would get along with the venue as well as they do!! That channel 4 program was edited to make it appear much worse than it was, shot over 6 months if im correct so where there are not that many issues it appeared as though it was shot over a much smaller period making it look like theres constant issues. If any of the critics actually went to the venue then they would see first hand that the issues are actually not common and the majority of issues are when people are turned away from entering for being to drunk/violent as they believe they have the right to enter any venue they wish! That is not the fault of the venue but the number of scumbags who live in this town! That area of town will always suffer due to the mass of takeaways where everyone goes to for food on the way home when they are at there most drunk or drugged up!!! There is no simple fix for this its the minority in this society that are broken! When will this minority in this town grow up and just enjoy a night out without having to get in a fight. I hope the victim recovers with no lasting injuries
If the Silk Road was that awful i dont think the police would get along with the venue as well as they do!! That channel 4 program was edited to make it appear much worse than it was, shot over 6 months if im correct so where there are not that many issues it appeared as though it was shot over a much smaller period making it look like theres constant issues. If any of the critics actually went to the venue then they would see first hand that the issues are actually not common and the majority of issues are when people are turned away from entering for being to drunk/violent as they believe they have the right to enter any venue they wish! That is not the fault of the venue but the number of scumbags who live in this town! That area of town will always suffer due to the mass of takeaways where everyone goes to for food on the way home when they are at there most drunk or drugged up!!! There is no simple fix for this its the minority in this society that are broken! When will this minority in this town grow up and just enjoy a night out without having to get in a fight. I hope the victim recovers with no lasting injuries Anonymous_10
  • Score: 0

5:53pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Anonymous_10 says...

Also more importantly why because there is a issue down that street is it that Silk Road is automatically added into the story? No mention of fashions or TP's, this incident was outside Franklins nothing to do with Silk Road for all anyone knows the victim might not have been anywhere near any of these venues
Also more importantly why because there is a issue down that street is it that Silk Road is automatically added into the story? No mention of fashions or TP's, this incident was outside Franklins nothing to do with Silk Road for all anyone knows the victim might not have been anywhere near any of these venues Anonymous_10
  • Score: 7

5:56pm Wed 1 Jan 14

William George says...

Boris wrote:
Time to go back to all pubs and clubs closing at 11 pm? Sure, it will need a change in the law. But there is no need for any of these places to be open till 3 and 4 am. 11 pm closing should get everybody home by midnight, too.
I totally agree with what you said Boris, because there is no necessity for the pubs and clubs in Colchester to keep open later than 11pm.

To keep these places open until the following morning to 3 am or 4 am. is going to show more bad incidents to happen as this is showing already.

The Police, ambulance services, hospitals and the victims themselves wont dispute what is said there.
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: Time to go back to all pubs and clubs closing at 11 pm? Sure, it will need a change in the law. But there is no need for any of these places to be open till 3 and 4 am. 11 pm closing should get everybody home by midnight, too.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with what you said Boris, because there is no necessity for the pubs and clubs in Colchester to keep open later than 11pm. To keep these places open until the following morning to 3 am or 4 am. is going to show more bad incidents to happen as this is showing already. The Police, ambulance services, hospitals and the victims themselves wont dispute what is said there. William George
  • Score: 0

6:08pm Wed 1 Jan 14

victimsuncle says...

Firstly thank to those who have wished my nephew a recovery,at the present all we can do is pray that he pulls through this,it was not good to see him today in a coma fighting for his life.
He was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time attecked randomly in one of 3 attacks by a lunatic,it could have been anyones father,son,brother or friend.
He is a young father of a 7 month old daughter,he works hard and dotes on his daughter.
He was out to celebrate the new year with his girlfriend,only having a rare night out as my neice was babysitting.
I wont say more at present as there is an ongoing police investigation,but would urge anyone with information to contact the police.
Firstly thank to those who have wished my nephew a recovery,at the present all we can do is pray that he pulls through this,it was not good to see him today in a coma fighting for his life. He was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time attecked randomly in one of 3 attacks by a lunatic,it could have been anyones father,son,brother or friend. He is a young father of a 7 month old daughter,he works hard and dotes on his daughter. He was out to celebrate the new year with his girlfriend,only having a rare night out as my neice was babysitting. I wont say more at present as there is an ongoing police investigation,but would urge anyone with information to contact the police. victimsuncle
  • Score: 71

7:04pm Wed 1 Jan 14

mirokou says...

Sorry but this area is a blackspot for assaults , violent attacks ,antisocial behaviour etc.. There are only 3 bars, TP ,Fashion and yes "Silk road" and yet all the trouble seems to be outside one in particular . "A wretched hive of scum and villainy"…Time has come CBC to withdraw licences from this area and regulate the fast food business around the vicinity…."Victims uncle" your nephew won't be the last innocent victim for thuggish attacks , ask Essex Police for the stats or better still review this web site..Perhaps a concerted campaign..Yet the silence from CBC is deafening…Purple flag my A R S E.
Sorry but this area is a blackspot for assaults , violent attacks ,antisocial behaviour etc.. There are only 3 bars, TP ,Fashion and yes "Silk road" and yet all the trouble seems to be outside one in particular . "A wretched hive of scum and villainy"…Time has come CBC to withdraw licences from this area and regulate the fast food business around the vicinity…."Victims uncle" your nephew won't be the last innocent victim for thuggish attacks , ask Essex Police for the stats or better still review this web site..Perhaps a concerted campaign..Yet the silence from CBC is deafening…Purple flag my A R S E. mirokou
  • Score: 11

7:07pm Wed 1 Jan 14

mirokou says...

stevedawson wrote:
Why blame the pubs clubs and police.they are not responsible for the rearing of demonic humans.
because the pubs and clubs feed them alcohol without consideration for the circumstances. By law a licensee has duty of care and ironically is unable to serve to a person considered drunk…Cant blame the Police they are just the anvil between public and politics
[quote][p][bold]stevedawson[/bold] wrote: Why blame the pubs clubs and police.they are not responsible for the rearing of demonic humans.[/p][/quote]because the pubs and clubs feed them alcohol without consideration for the circumstances. By law a licensee has duty of care and ironically is unable to serve to a person considered drunk…Cant blame the Police they are just the anvil between public and politics mirokou
  • Score: 11

7:14pm Wed 1 Jan 14

victimsuncle says...

mirokou wrote:
Sorry but this area is a blackspot for assaults , violent attacks ,antisocial behaviour etc.. There are only 3 bars, TP ,Fashion and yes "Silk road" and yet all the trouble seems to be outside one in particular . "A wretched hive of scum and villainy"…Time has come CBC to withdraw licences from this area and regulate the fast food business around the vicinity…."Victims uncle" your nephew won't be the last innocent victim for thuggish attacks , ask Essex Police for the stats or better still review this web site..Perhaps a concerted campaign..Yet the silence from CBC is deafening…Purple flag my A R S E.
My nephew had not been in silk road he had been in TP bar.My understanding is that on a typical saturday night there are only 5 beat officers in the town centre.
The officers do the best they can but clearly need more resources,but these are things to be debated on another day.
Would also like to thank the police for getting my sister in law to hostpital in romford in a police car in double quick time.
[quote][p][bold]mirokou[/bold] wrote: Sorry but this area is a blackspot for assaults , violent attacks ,antisocial behaviour etc.. There are only 3 bars, TP ,Fashion and yes "Silk road" and yet all the trouble seems to be outside one in particular . "A wretched hive of scum and villainy"…Time has come CBC to withdraw licences from this area and regulate the fast food business around the vicinity…."Victims uncle" your nephew won't be the last innocent victim for thuggish attacks , ask Essex Police for the stats or better still review this web site..Perhaps a concerted campaign..Yet the silence from CBC is deafening…Purple flag my A R S E.[/p][/quote]My nephew had not been in silk road he had been in TP bar.My understanding is that on a typical saturday night there are only 5 beat officers in the town centre. The officers do the best they can but clearly need more resources,but these are things to be debated on another day. Would also like to thank the police for getting my sister in law to hostpital in romford in a police car in double quick time. victimsuncle
  • Score: 26

7:52pm Wed 1 Jan 14

thecolnecollectiveresistence says...

and this is where the council,present and future local politicians and the Colchester mafia of do gooders want to become the cultural district of Colchester so that they have a bigger trough to stick their snouts into.Our thoughts go out to all the victims of Queen Street.We are the CCR
and this is where the council,present and future local politicians and the Colchester mafia of do gooders want to become the cultural district of Colchester so that they have a bigger trough to stick their snouts into.Our thoughts go out to all the victims of Queen Street.We are the CCR thecolnecollectiveresistence
  • Score: -2

11:05pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Morant says...

thecolnecollectivere
sistence
wrote:
and this is where the council,present and future local politicians and the Colchester mafia of do gooders want to become the cultural district of Colchester so that they have a bigger trough to stick their snouts into.Our thoughts go out to all the victims of Queen Street.We are the CCR
Idiot
[quote][p][bold]thecolnecollectivere sistence[/bold] wrote: and this is where the council,present and future local politicians and the Colchester mafia of do gooders want to become the cultural district of Colchester so that they have a bigger trough to stick their snouts into.Our thoughts go out to all the victims of Queen Street.We are the CCR[/p][/quote]Idiot Morant
  • Score: -2

12:21am Thu 2 Jan 14

omgwtfbbq says...

what is all this should shut at 11pm rubbish, pubs have always stayed open way past this time on "new years eve"
what is all this should shut at 11pm rubbish, pubs have always stayed open way past this time on "new years eve" omgwtfbbq
  • Score: 0

1:17am Thu 2 Jan 14

Kev.. Colchester says...

People blaming Silk Road, Fashions and TPS but the fact is the 2 previous ' newsworthy' attacks happened outside food outlets, it is about time ,due to the large amount of people who congregate in this street after food ( from all different pubs and clubs) , that the takeaways were made to have security on the door, more arguments start in these establishments in one night than in the actual bars themselves .
People blaming Silk Road, Fashions and TPS but the fact is the 2 previous ' newsworthy' attacks happened outside food outlets, it is about time ,due to the large amount of people who congregate in this street after food ( from all different pubs and clubs) , that the takeaways were made to have security on the door, more arguments start in these establishments in one night than in the actual bars themselves . Kev.. Colchester
  • Score: 8

1:23am Thu 2 Jan 14

wormshero says...

omgwtfbbq wrote:
what is all this should shut at 11pm rubbish, pubs have always stayed open way past this time on "new years eve"
I personally think that more should be done to police this area of town and am against limiting closing hours anyway, but you make a pretty good point; it would be weird for the bars to shut before midnight. It's not really the best road for the final closing time in town to occur, mind you, it's fairly cramped with narrow paths and obviously at that point a lot of people should have been refused entry hours before, but that rarely happens. The supermarket drink pre-loading this is almost certainly an issue, but the door staff at these places should be able to pick up on those who have already drank an excessive amount and refuse entry. It seems incredibly rare that it happens though.

I'd definitely rather see something done about pre-loading, and maybe a shared ban list where if you ever cause trouble you're no longer able to get in any of the bars in that area, than being told by people that we should be home by 11. Being out late isn't the issue, people unable to handle their drink/drinking way too much is.

On a semi-related note, did anyone else feel that town was a bit dead/empty on NYE this year? The places I've visited the last few years which usually have queues outside on NYE (and forget about getting drinks quickly) had no queues and table space. Pretty weird.
[quote][p][bold]omgwtfbbq[/bold] wrote: what is all this should shut at 11pm rubbish, pubs have always stayed open way past this time on "new years eve"[/p][/quote]I personally think that more should be done to police this area of town and am against limiting closing hours anyway, but you make a pretty good point; it would be weird for the bars to shut before midnight. It's not really the best road for the final closing time in town to occur, mind you, it's fairly cramped with narrow paths and obviously at that point a lot of people should have been refused entry hours before, but that rarely happens. The supermarket drink pre-loading this is almost certainly an issue, but the door staff at these places should be able to pick up on those who have already drank an excessive amount and refuse entry. It seems incredibly rare that it happens though. I'd definitely rather see something done about pre-loading, and maybe a shared ban list where if you ever cause trouble you're no longer able to get in any of the bars in that area, than being told by people that we should be home by 11. Being out late isn't the issue, people unable to handle their drink/drinking way too much is. On a semi-related note, did anyone else feel that town was a bit dead/empty on NYE this year? The places I've visited the last few years which usually have queues outside on NYE (and forget about getting drinks quickly) had no queues and table space. Pretty weird. wormshero
  • Score: 5

2:17am Thu 2 Jan 14

Boris says...

co4 wrote:
Boris wrote:
Time to go back to all pubs and clubs closing at 11 pm? Sure, it will need a change in the law. But there is no need for any of these places to be open till 3 and 4 am. 11 pm closing should get everybody home by midnight, too.
It's very easy to blame the extended licensing hours but speaking as a Pub Manager, in my opinion, the problems lie with the supermarkets selling dangerously cheap alcohol. Put it this way, until recently, I worked for Greene King in a managed house, not a tenancy (so there was no brewery tie) and I found that it was cheaper to buy certain products from Tesco than it was to buy direct from Greene King. I'm in my mid 30's and I can remember when I was in my teens and was heading into town on a Saturday night, I would get to the pub at 7.30-8pm. Nowadays thanks to supermarkets loss leading alcohol, people are staying at home "pre-loading" with cheap drinks and not venturing into town until 10-10.30pm. The damage is done by and large by the time people arrive into town. The minimum unit price needs to be introduced to prevent 70% drunk people coming into town.

I think we also need to look at the general attitude of younger people (particularly those who frequent the awful Silk Road) as aggression and muscles appears to be all the rage nowadays.

Reverting back to 11pm closing would be the final nail in the coffin for the Pub trade which is suffering massively at the hands of increased duty, sky high rents and supermarkets selling it cheaper than pubs can buy it.

The Police need to be more proactive about trouble in this part of town. For heavens sake the whole country knows what a warzone that area of town can be thanks to "Bouncers" so it can hardly come as a surprise.
co4, I bow to your experience as a pub manager, but why would you want to be there till 4 am if you could take last orders at 11 pm, everybody out by 11.30 pm, and be on your way home by midnight?
For the last 50 years my experience in pubs has only been as a customer, but I did work in a pub in the early 60s, when many of our customers would sink 20 pints each, starting at 6 pm and finishing at 10 pm (last orders time in those days). There were of course no supermarkets to speak of in those days, so people wanting to drink at home brought large jugs to buy beer at the off sales part of the pub.
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You are right that the main problem is pre-loading with cheap booze from the supermarkets. We need a law to separate the selling of food from the selling of alcohol. Each supermarket would be forced to be a grocer or an off-licence. And, of course, there should be minimum unit pricing for alcohol. This would mean a pint of beer of a given strength in an off-licence would cost about the same as a similar pint in a pub. If they can do it in Scotland, why not in England? Are we that much more stupid than the Scots?
[quote][p][bold]co4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: Time to go back to all pubs and clubs closing at 11 pm? Sure, it will need a change in the law. But there is no need for any of these places to be open till 3 and 4 am. 11 pm closing should get everybody home by midnight, too.[/p][/quote]It's very easy to blame the extended licensing hours but speaking as a Pub Manager, in my opinion, the problems lie with the supermarkets selling dangerously cheap alcohol. Put it this way, until recently, I worked for Greene King in a managed house, not a tenancy (so there was no brewery tie) and I found that it was cheaper to buy certain products from Tesco than it was to buy direct from Greene King. I'm in my mid 30's and I can remember when I was in my teens and was heading into town on a Saturday night, I would get to the pub at 7.30-8pm. Nowadays thanks to supermarkets loss leading alcohol, people are staying at home "pre-loading" with cheap drinks and not venturing into town until 10-10.30pm. The damage is done by and large by the time people arrive into town. The minimum unit price needs to be introduced to prevent 70% drunk people coming into town. I think we also need to look at the general attitude of younger people (particularly those who frequent the awful Silk Road) as aggression and muscles appears to be all the rage nowadays. Reverting back to 11pm closing would be the final nail in the coffin for the Pub trade which is suffering massively at the hands of increased duty, sky high rents and supermarkets selling it cheaper than pubs can buy it. The Police need to be more proactive about trouble in this part of town. For heavens sake the whole country knows what a warzone that area of town can be thanks to "Bouncers" so it can hardly come as a surprise.[/p][/quote]co4, I bow to your experience as a pub manager, but why would you want to be there till 4 am if you could take last orders at 11 pm, everybody out by 11.30 pm, and be on your way home by midnight? For the last 50 years my experience in pubs has only been as a customer, but I did work in a pub in the early 60s, when many of our customers would sink 20 pints each, starting at 6 pm and finishing at 10 pm (last orders time in those days). There were of course no supermarkets to speak of in those days, so people wanting to drink at home brought large jugs to buy beer at the off sales part of the pub. . You are right that the main problem is pre-loading with cheap booze from the supermarkets. We need a law to separate the selling of food from the selling of alcohol. Each supermarket would be forced to be a grocer or an off-licence. And, of course, there should be minimum unit pricing for alcohol. This would mean a pint of beer of a given strength in an off-licence would cost about the same as a similar pint in a pub. If they can do it in Scotland, why not in England? Are we that much more stupid than the Scots? Boris
  • Score: 5

7:22am Thu 2 Jan 14

friday_woods says...

Kev.. Colchester wrote:
People blaming Silk Road, Fashions and TPS but the fact is the 2 previous ' newsworthy' attacks happened outside food outlets, it is about time ,due to the large amount of people who congregate in this street after food ( from all different pubs and clubs) , that the takeaways were made to have security on the door, more arguments start in these establishments in one night than in the actual bars themselves .
I'm not sure how that will stop assaults taking place? The idiots that fight in these low end fast food outlets will just fight in the street as opposed to inside. And besides, can you see the many of the owners of any of the kebab shops actually paying for security when they won't even spend money on decor or decent quality ingredients?!
[quote][p][bold]Kev.. Colchester[/bold] wrote: People blaming Silk Road, Fashions and TPS but the fact is the 2 previous ' newsworthy' attacks happened outside food outlets, it is about time ,due to the large amount of people who congregate in this street after food ( from all different pubs and clubs) , that the takeaways were made to have security on the door, more arguments start in these establishments in one night than in the actual bars themselves .[/p][/quote]I'm not sure how that will stop assaults taking place? The idiots that fight in these low end fast food outlets will just fight in the street as opposed to inside. And besides, can you see the many of the owners of any of the kebab shops actually paying for security when they won't even spend money on decor or decent quality ingredients?! friday_woods
  • Score: 1

8:28am Thu 2 Jan 14

angryman!!! says...

That's the point if they don't have security they shouldn't be able to stay open. I agree a massive part of the problem is the keebabies, once every where is closed these act as place to congregate. I don't agree that people will just find somewhere else to fight, it's just one people have been drinking and are congregated there more likely or not will be trouble.
This will happen if they've had 20 pints by 11 or 20 pints by 3am.
Also agree price of cheap booze should go up dramatically.
That's the point if they don't have security they shouldn't be able to stay open. I agree a massive part of the problem is the keebabies, once every where is closed these act as place to congregate. I don't agree that people will just find somewhere else to fight, it's just one people have been drinking and are congregated there more likely or not will be trouble. This will happen if they've had 20 pints by 11 or 20 pints by 3am. Also agree price of cheap booze should go up dramatically. angryman!!!
  • Score: 4

9:33am Thu 2 Jan 14

friday_woods says...

So if theres idiots fighting in the street outside the kebab shops the security should stop it? Surely they are there to stop fights inside? Having security won't deter the feral and feckless behaving the way they do.
So if theres idiots fighting in the street outside the kebab shops the security should stop it? Surely they are there to stop fights inside? Having security won't deter the feral and feckless behaving the way they do. friday_woods
  • Score: 1

1:44pm Thu 2 Jan 14

omgwtfbbq says...

There has always been fights in this road though! 30 years ago there were no clubs in the road but you was still almost gurenteed to get in a fight walking that road to get home. Even though the police station was on the road.

The whole town needs more light, people to actually be watching the CCTV, and zero tolerance on street fighting.
There has always been fights in this road though! 30 years ago there were no clubs in the road but you was still almost gurenteed to get in a fight walking that road to get home. Even though the police station was on the road. The whole town needs more light, people to actually be watching the CCTV, and zero tolerance on street fighting. omgwtfbbq
  • Score: 5

1:48pm Thu 2 Jan 14

greenbroker says...

However did the town centre manage without bouncers? There were hardly any police around and less bother.
However did the town centre manage without bouncers? There were hardly any police around and less bother. greenbroker
  • Score: -1

3:28pm Thu 2 Jan 14

All_talk_no_action says...

Blame Drugs not just alcohol, people preload on cocaine Es and newer fashion legal highes.
Blame Drugs not just alcohol, people preload on cocaine Es and newer fashion legal highes. All_talk_no_action
  • Score: 2

3:32pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Adzwick says...

I personally would like to wish the victim a quick recovery and arrest of the scum of a "human being" that caused this.

I do not agree with the pubs or clubs been closed at 11pm. We only have to look to Europe especially Holland where the venues decide themselves how long they can stay open for. it then ment most people do not binge drink.
I was there a for a few weeks in Holland and the youngsters there do not binge drink because they know they dont have a few hours to consume alcohol. Even in the night clubs there, there wasnt any fights there as there would over in England all due to this relaxed attitude the Dutch have.
I also have been to silk road before and I can assure you the bouncers there so not allow drunks into the premises and also its the idots that then loiter around the take aways or outside the clubs when they are rejected from the clubs for been too drunk.

I believe in the late license for pubs and clubs and withdraw licenses from them if they violate this. It needs to be reviewed and come into line with Europe.
I personally would like to wish the victim a quick recovery and arrest of the scum of a "human being" that caused this. I do not agree with the pubs or clubs been closed at 11pm. We only have to look to Europe especially Holland where the venues decide themselves how long they can stay open for. it then ment most people do not binge drink. I was there a for a few weeks in Holland and the youngsters there do not binge drink because they know they dont have a few hours to consume alcohol. Even in the night clubs there, there wasnt any fights there as there would over in England all due to this relaxed attitude the Dutch have. I also have been to silk road before and I can assure you the bouncers there so not allow drunks into the premises and also its the idots that then loiter around the take aways or outside the clubs when they are rejected from the clubs for been too drunk. I believe in the late license for pubs and clubs and withdraw licenses from them if they violate this. It needs to be reviewed and come into line with Europe. Adzwick
  • Score: -1

3:55pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Kev.. Colchester says...

Maybe the Police should actually have a presence in the road ,after all if there was a demonstration through town where everyone was sober then they would be out in force BUT having several hundred intoxicated people visiting this road throughout the early hours doesn't merit their attention!!!!! About time the Police stop using this as a ' NO GO AREA ' until trouble happens. You see more Police in Head St and High St at these times which aren't blackspots. I'm sure if you only had 5 or 6 officers and maybe 1 a doghandler parading this road there would be less trouble.
Maybe the Police should actually have a presence in the road ,after all if there was a demonstration through town where everyone was sober then they would be out in force BUT having several hundred intoxicated people visiting this road throughout the early hours doesn't merit their attention!!!!! About time the Police stop using this as a ' NO GO AREA ' until trouble happens. You see more Police in Head St and High St at these times which aren't blackspots. I'm sure if you only had 5 or 6 officers and maybe 1 a doghandler parading this road there would be less trouble. Kev.. Colchester
  • Score: 1

4:20pm Thu 2 Jan 14

romantic says...

Adzwick wrote:
I personally would like to wish the victim a quick recovery and arrest of the scum of a "human being" that caused this.

I do not agree with the pubs or clubs been closed at 11pm. We only have to look to Europe especially Holland where the venues decide themselves how long they can stay open for. it then ment most people do not binge drink.
I was there a for a few weeks in Holland and the youngsters there do not binge drink because they know they dont have a few hours to consume alcohol. Even in the night clubs there, there wasnt any fights there as there would over in England all due to this relaxed attitude the Dutch have.
I also have been to silk road before and I can assure you the bouncers there so not allow drunks into the premises and also its the idots that then loiter around the take aways or outside the clubs when they are rejected from the clubs for been too drunk.

I believe in the late license for pubs and clubs and withdraw licenses from them if they violate this. It needs to be reviewed and come into line with Europe.
Agree with you: a lot of the problem is that people come out of other clubs at 2.00 or so. Most go home then, but others then head for Queen Street. Some might get into Silk Road, some will get turned away. At that point, the sensible thing is to go home - but if you've spent the last 5 hours necking shots and being rejected by any women you try to slur at, you're not sensible. So you have a fair number of drunken lads full of alcohol and testosterone. In that situation, it doesn't take much for a fight to kick off.

I have wandered up and down Queen St at 3.00 am. I am old enough to be invisible, but there is certainly tension in the air. It does surprise me there is little visible police presence at these times. The doormen are normally pretty good at stopping drunks getting in, and they will intervene if something happens right in front of them, but they are not general security patrols for the town.

My understanding is that Silk Road got the extra hour to 3.00 so that other places could empty out, so less people are trying to get into the same numbers of taxis. But it seems to have worked the other way, because some of those people now gravitate to Queen St so they can prolong the evening.

Pre-loading is definitely a problem. So is the decline of traditional pubs where people of all ages tend to go. When I was a youth, we were in the pub actually quite young (by 16, I was a regular), but we were in amongst older people who would make it clear if we misbehaved, but also keep an eye on us. The vertical drinking-holes of town don't work that way, the only people judging whether somebody is drunk are low-paid bar-staff managed by somebody who sees only he bottom line.
[quote][p][bold]Adzwick[/bold] wrote: I personally would like to wish the victim a quick recovery and arrest of the scum of a "human being" that caused this. I do not agree with the pubs or clubs been closed at 11pm. We only have to look to Europe especially Holland where the venues decide themselves how long they can stay open for. it then ment most people do not binge drink. I was there a for a few weeks in Holland and the youngsters there do not binge drink because they know they dont have a few hours to consume alcohol. Even in the night clubs there, there wasnt any fights there as there would over in England all due to this relaxed attitude the Dutch have. I also have been to silk road before and I can assure you the bouncers there so not allow drunks into the premises and also its the idots that then loiter around the take aways or outside the clubs when they are rejected from the clubs for been too drunk. I believe in the late license for pubs and clubs and withdraw licenses from them if they violate this. It needs to be reviewed and come into line with Europe.[/p][/quote]Agree with you: a lot of the problem is that people come out of other clubs at 2.00 or so. Most go home then, but others then head for Queen Street. Some might get into Silk Road, some will get turned away. At that point, the sensible thing is to go home - but if you've spent the last 5 hours necking shots and being rejected by any women you try to slur at, you're not sensible. So you have a fair number of drunken lads full of alcohol and testosterone. In that situation, it doesn't take much for a fight to kick off. I have wandered up and down Queen St at 3.00 am. I am old enough to be invisible, but there is certainly tension in the air. It does surprise me there is little visible police presence at these times. The doormen are normally pretty good at stopping drunks getting in, and they will intervene if something happens right in front of them, but they are not general security patrols for the town. My understanding is that Silk Road got the extra hour to 3.00 so that other places could empty out, so less people are trying to get into the same numbers of taxis. But it seems to have worked the other way, because some of those people now gravitate to Queen St so they can prolong the evening. Pre-loading is definitely a problem. So is the decline of traditional pubs where people of all ages tend to go. When I was a youth, we were in the pub actually quite young (by 16, I was a regular), but we were in amongst older people who would make it clear if we misbehaved, but also keep an eye on us. The vertical drinking-holes of town don't work that way, the only people judging whether somebody is drunk are low-paid bar-staff managed by somebody who sees only he bottom line. romantic
  • Score: 2

7:24pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Suffolkcommuter says...

Whoever did this needs locking up for a long time. However, as we normally see in the courts, he/she will get a 200 quid fine and a years community order blah blah.... Courts need to take a much firmer line with people of this ilk (note the other story today 'man fined 150 quid for punching out his girlfriends tooth'....is that really it!!!!)

That said, people need to be mindful that this road, in general, is not safe. There are plenty of options for a nice social drink in Colchester without having to look over your shoulder all the time. The council needs to seriously consider how to deal with this area, and if necessary, start withdrawing licenses.

I wish the victim a full recovery.
Whoever did this needs locking up for a long time. However, as we normally see in the courts, he/she will get a 200 quid fine and a years community order blah blah.... Courts need to take a much firmer line with people of this ilk (note the other story today 'man fined 150 quid for punching out his girlfriends tooth'....is that really it!!!!) That said, people need to be mindful that this road, in general, is not safe. There are plenty of options for a nice social drink in Colchester without having to look over your shoulder all the time. The council needs to seriously consider how to deal with this area, and if necessary, start withdrawing licenses. I wish the victim a full recovery. Suffolkcommuter
  • Score: 5

3:33pm Sat 4 Jan 14

JamesBarne says...

Jess Jephcott wrote:
We have a purple flag you know! Apparently, Colchester is a safe town at night.
So the purple flag is what makes colchester safe at night?
[quote][p][bold]Jess Jephcott[/bold] wrote: We have a purple flag you know! Apparently, Colchester is a safe town at night.[/p][/quote]So the purple flag is what makes colchester safe at night? JamesBarne
  • Score: 0

11:21am Tue 7 Jan 14

stripeynose says...

You want us to be like every other Essex town?
You want us to be like every other Essex town? stripeynose
  • Score: 0

5:55pm Tue 7 Jan 14

angryman!!! says...

I can assure you Silk Road is very laxed about letting in drunks, i can vouch for this by the amount of times I've gone there as a group and at least one person has been totally ****, only place in town that I've ever seen reject some one for being to drunk is fashion cafe up the road which isn't exactly seen as being the smartest place in town so fair play to them. However I don't think drink is the main problem, like mentioned above drugs are the real problem which is why Silk Road is at the centre of the problem as it is one of the main pubs frequented by drug dealers. Hardly suprised with name like Silk Road, naming it after the notorious route for drug trafficking from east to west of years gone by.
I can assure you Silk Road is very laxed about letting in drunks, i can vouch for this by the amount of times I've gone there as a group and at least one person has been totally ****, only place in town that I've ever seen reject some one for being to drunk is fashion cafe up the road which isn't exactly seen as being the smartest place in town so fair play to them. However I don't think drink is the main problem, like mentioned above drugs are the real problem which is why Silk Road is at the centre of the problem as it is one of the main pubs frequented by drug dealers. Hardly suprised with name like Silk Road, naming it after the notorious route for drug trafficking from east to west of years gone by. angryman!!!
  • Score: 0

7:26pm Wed 8 Jan 14

victimmyarse says...

**** i say to all these comments about its the pubs or food vendors its dickheads like the offender n victim's fault. noone deserves to be put in a coma but the victim hasn't had the whitest of white backgrounds all those wivenhoe boys went out lookin for fights not long ago not givin a moments thought about the families of the ppl they was punchin n kickin or the damage that coulda bin inflicted what goes around comes around if u ask me, karma is a beautiful thing if he does make it then maybe he'll think twice b4 assaultin someone in the future
**** i say to all these comments about its the pubs or food vendors its dickheads like the offender n victim's fault. noone deserves to be put in a coma but the victim hasn't had the whitest of white backgrounds all those wivenhoe boys went out lookin for fights not long ago not givin a moments thought about the families of the ppl they was punchin n kickin or the damage that coulda bin inflicted what goes around comes around if u ask me, karma is a beautiful thing if he does make it then maybe he'll think twice b4 assaultin someone in the future victimmyarse
  • Score: -2

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