Super-booze sales targeted by council

Gazette: Super-booze sales targeted by council Super-booze sales targeted by council

SUPER strength alcohol could be taken off the shelves of shops in Colchester.

Colchester Council wants to introduce a campaign called Reducing the Strength, to stop the sale of beer and cider with more than 6.5 per cent alcohol content.

Although shops would not have to sign up, it is hoped the scheme would stop alcoholics buying booze and causing a nuisance.

Tim Young, councillor responsible for community safety, has put forward the proposal after a year-long trial in Ipswich was a success.

He said: “It has worked incredibly well in Ipswich.

“We are meeting with Suffolk Police, Essex Police and Ipswich Council representatives next week with a view to roll it out in Colchester.”

Mr Young said shops only have one reason to sell super strength alcohol.

He said: “It has one purpose and one purpose only, to get people very drunk very quickly.”

The plans have been backed by all parties on Colchester Council.

Will Quince, leader of Colchester Conservative group, which is in opposition, supports the idea.

He said: “I think it will bring pretty quick results.

“The police are experts in this and if they say it will help and it will make the town centre safer, we would be foolish not to seriously consider it.

“In general, I am not a fan of banning things, but in this instance, it seems like a nobrainer.”

Suffolk Police said the scheme had cut the number of street drinkers in Ipswich from 78 to 38, and the number of antisocial “incidents of concern”

dropped from 191 to 94 since it began in October last year.

Two weeks ago, Colchester became the second place in the country to get tougher powers to stop street drinkers and beggars.

Repeat offenders face being jailed for up to two years or subjected to an antisocial behaviour order.

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7:47am Fri 13 Dec 13

jut1972 says...

Unless of course you are drinking Leffe, Duvel, Abbot reserve, old crafty hen, aspalls cyder etc etc. The responsible drinkers are penalised and the wasters switch to cheap spirits.
Unless of course you are drinking Leffe, Duvel, Abbot reserve, old crafty hen, aspalls cyder etc etc. The responsible drinkers are penalised and the wasters switch to cheap spirits. jut1972

8:06am Fri 13 Dec 13

998dave says...

Agree with Jut1972, what about those of us who like a strong beer for the flavour, a nice Belgium Tripel can easily be 10%, but you drink them in halfs, not gallons.
I think any such rules would need to be carefully worded so as not to alienate the socially responsible people who like a drink with flavour.
Also - what's to stop stronger beers being sold as Barley Wine? I can't see the council banning the sale of wine...
Agree with Jut1972, what about those of us who like a strong beer for the flavour, a nice Belgium Tripel can easily be 10%, but you drink them in halfs, not gallons. I think any such rules would need to be carefully worded so as not to alienate the socially responsible people who like a drink with flavour. Also - what's to stop stronger beers being sold as Barley Wine? I can't see the council banning the sale of wine... 998dave

8:25am Fri 13 Dec 13

Say It As It Is OK? says...

Agree with both comments above. To suggest its the fault of the strength of alcohol or that alcohol is too cheap are the easy options. These actions will only result in penalising responsible drinkers. Tackling the problem is the answer and that is to deal severely with the habitual unsocial drinkers, who are solely the cause, by imposing more severe penalties.
Agree with both comments above. To suggest its the fault of the strength of alcohol or that alcohol is too cheap are the easy options. These actions will only result in penalising responsible drinkers. Tackling the problem is the answer and that is to deal severely with the habitual unsocial drinkers, who are solely the cause, by imposing more severe penalties. Say It As It Is OK?

8:39am Fri 13 Dec 13

Jack222 says...

I cant see the point. If people want to get wasted they will. They'll just switch to nasty cheap spirits.

A silly idea.
I cant see the point. If people want to get wasted they will. They'll just switch to nasty cheap spirits. A silly idea. Jack222

9:40am Fri 13 Dec 13

Scoot says...

Hmm, take it all the posters so far haven't ever lived with a true alcoholic (as opposed to binge drinkers). It is a disease and those that are do need help and support. To stop the sale of super strength booze will not solve the problem because an alcoholic will find something somewhere even if its a bottle of aftershave !. Perhaps Tim Young would like to answer how much it costs the council/police to deal with the true alcoholics/homeless compared to the damage/fighting/diso
rderley conduct of the Friday/Saturday night binge drinkers as we saw on the Bouncers programme a few weeks ago. Maybe the sale of bottles of spirit to anyone under the age of 25 should be banned....
Hmm, take it all the posters so far haven't ever lived with a true alcoholic (as opposed to binge drinkers). It is a disease and those that are do need help and support. To stop the sale of super strength booze will not solve the problem because an alcoholic will find something somewhere even if its a bottle of aftershave !. Perhaps Tim Young would like to answer how much it costs the council/police to deal with the true alcoholics/homeless compared to the damage/fighting/diso rderley conduct of the Friday/Saturday night binge drinkers as we saw on the Bouncers programme a few weeks ago. Maybe the sale of bottles of spirit to anyone under the age of 25 should be banned.... Scoot

9:44am Fri 13 Dec 13

Douglas Park says...

jut1972 wrote:
Unless of course you are drinking Leffe, Duvel, Abbot reserve, old crafty hen, aspalls cyder etc etc. The responsible drinkers are penalised and the wasters switch to cheap spirits.
I don't see many of the town's drinkers sitting in the Priory savouring a Belgian beer. Let's be reasonable about this. The purveyors of the specialist beverages which jut1972 mentions are not usually the same stores which stock Special Brew and White Lightning.

And even if the mini-marts take Special Brew off their shelves, the sale of cheap spirits and fortified wines will just increase in proportion as Jack222 says. Perhaps the Council would be better off looking at how to tackle the issues faced by the hardened drinkers and why they resort to a life of street drinking in the first place.
[quote][p][bold]jut1972[/bold] wrote: Unless of course you are drinking Leffe, Duvel, Abbot reserve, old crafty hen, aspalls cyder etc etc. The responsible drinkers are penalised and the wasters switch to cheap spirits.[/p][/quote]I don't see many of the town's drinkers sitting in the Priory savouring a Belgian beer. Let's be reasonable about this. The purveyors of the specialist beverages which [b]jut1972[/b] mentions are not usually the same stores which stock Special Brew and White Lightning. And even if the mini-marts take Special Brew off their shelves, the sale of cheap spirits and fortified wines will just increase in proportion as [b]Jack222 [/b] says. Perhaps the Council would be better off looking at how to tackle the issues faced by the hardened drinkers and why they resort to a life of street drinking in the first place. Douglas Park

10:13am Fri 13 Dec 13

totallyfootball says...

Lets get back to the old licensing laws and tighten up on shop sales!
Lets get back to the old licensing laws and tighten up on shop sales! totallyfootball

10:20am Fri 13 Dec 13

Ritchie_Hicks says...

I'm surprised to see a Tory Councillor campaigning on this when it wasn't that long ago the leader of that party decided against minimum unit pricing - a proven stratagy of reducing antisocial behaviour in Scotland.

I drink strong beers from the continent because some of them have more flavours, as do some real ales such as Adnams Broadside which is 6.2% in bottle. Banning the sale of strong beers won't solve this problem. It just means drinkers will turn to something else, such as cheap vodka, currently available on a promotion in most local supermarkets.
I'm surprised to see a Tory Councillor campaigning on this when it wasn't that long ago the leader of that party decided against minimum unit pricing - a proven stratagy of reducing antisocial behaviour in Scotland. I drink strong beers from the continent because some of them have more flavours, as do some real ales such as Adnams Broadside which is 6.2% in bottle. Banning the sale of strong beers won't solve this problem. It just means drinkers will turn to something else, such as cheap vodka, currently available on a promotion in most local supermarkets. Ritchie_Hicks

10:48am Fri 13 Dec 13

stevedawson says...

There is a law about being drunk in a public place.support the police to up hold this law and stop tinkering just to get on another f***ing committee you to***rs.
There is a law about being drunk in a public place.support the police to up hold this law and stop tinkering just to get on another f***ing committee you to***rs. stevedawson

11:09am Fri 13 Dec 13

seikothrill says...

Killjoys
Killjoys seikothrill

11:40am Fri 13 Dec 13

Say It As It Is OK? says...

I don't understand the correlation between being an alcoholic and banning certain strengths of beer. It must be difficult being or living with an alcoholic who will get their fix from wherever they can irrespective of whether strong beers are banned or not. These people do need support and treatment for their addiction but self inflicted illness like drug and alcohol dependency, along with smoking and obesity are all self inflicted and its in the individuals own hands to do something about controlling their addiction, be it drink, drugs, tobacco or excess/wrong foods

These illnesses are crippling the over burdened NHS and initiatives like banning super strength beer just will not tackle the real problem.

Banning drugs has not stopped the smack heads nor will banning super strength beer stop alcohol dependency. What next ban tobacco (it won't happen) or ban high calorie food stuffs (won't happen) Its just political rhetoric without any serious thought for finding a solution to the problem.
I don't understand the correlation between being an alcoholic and banning certain strengths of beer. It must be difficult being or living with an alcoholic who will get their fix from wherever they can irrespective of whether strong beers are banned or not. These people do need support and treatment for their addiction but self inflicted illness like drug and alcohol dependency, along with smoking and obesity are all self inflicted and its in the individuals own hands to do something about controlling their addiction, be it drink, drugs, tobacco or excess/wrong foods These illnesses are crippling the over burdened NHS and initiatives like banning super strength beer just will not tackle the real problem. Banning drugs has not stopped the smack heads nor will banning super strength beer stop alcohol dependency. What next ban tobacco (it won't happen) or ban high calorie food stuffs (won't happen) Its just political rhetoric without any serious thought for finding a solution to the problem. Say It As It Is OK?

11:49am Fri 13 Dec 13

All_talk_no_action says...

Wine 9 - 14%
Spirits 30 - 40%
cider 4 - 8.5%
Wake up Tim Young
Wine 9 - 14% Spirits 30 - 40% cider 4 - 8.5% Wake up Tim Young All_talk_no_action

11:52am Fri 13 Dec 13

Ritchie_Hicks says...

All_talk_no_action wrote:
Wine 9 - 14%
Spirits 30 - 40%
cider 4 - 8.5%
Wake up Tim Young
It's % volume.

A bottle of wine may go up for 14%, but will have 750ml in a bottle and generally cost around a fiver.

A can of Special Brew is 9% for 440ml and can be bough in some shops from £1.30-1.50. So getting drunk quickly is much cheaper with the lager, and occurs much more quickly.
[quote][p][bold]All_talk_no_action[/bold] wrote: Wine 9 - 14% Spirits 30 - 40% cider 4 - 8.5% Wake up Tim Young[/p][/quote]It's % volume. A bottle of wine may go up for 14%, but will have 750ml in a bottle and generally cost around a fiver. A can of Special Brew is 9% for 440ml and can be bough in some shops from £1.30-1.50. So getting drunk quickly is much cheaper with the lager, and occurs much more quickly. Ritchie_Hicks

11:53am Fri 13 Dec 13

TheCaptain says...

and yet it appears to work in Ispwi

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and yet it appears to work in Ispwi . TheCaptain

11:58am Fri 13 Dec 13

SAndrewss says...

I agree with a lot of the comments above.
If the banning of the sale of particular drinks was put in place, then perhaps it could just be placed only on sales in the town centre, that way those who enjoy the more exotic higher strength beverages could continue to do so, by purchasing them at out of town shopping centres. I doubt people go and stock up on their Belgium tipples by going to the Spar, etc anyway.
I think we would all be happy to remove the 'Special Brew' contingent from the town, one way or another.
I agree with a lot of the comments above. If the banning of the sale of particular drinks was put in place, then perhaps it could just be placed only on sales in the town centre, that way those who enjoy the more exotic higher strength beverages could continue to do so, by purchasing them at out of town shopping centres. I doubt people go and stock up on their Belgium tipples by going to the Spar, etc anyway. I think we would all be happy to remove the 'Special Brew' contingent from the town, one way or another. SAndrewss

12:10pm Fri 13 Dec 13

All_talk_no_action says...

Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
All_talk_no_action wrote:
Wine 9 - 14%
Spirits 30 - 40%
cider 4 - 8.5%
Wake up Tim Young
It's % volume.

A bottle of wine may go up for 14%, but will have 750ml in a bottle and generally cost around a fiver.

A can of Special Brew is 9% for 440ml and can be bough in some shops from £1.30-1.50. So getting drunk quickly is much cheaper with the lager, and occurs much more quickly.
A lot of the cans are 500ml
70cl bottle of cheap vodka £7
[quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All_talk_no_action[/bold] wrote: Wine 9 - 14% Spirits 30 - 40% cider 4 - 8.5% Wake up Tim Young[/p][/quote]It's % volume. A bottle of wine may go up for 14%, but will have 750ml in a bottle and generally cost around a fiver. A can of Special Brew is 9% for 440ml and can be bough in some shops from £1.30-1.50. So getting drunk quickly is much cheaper with the lager, and occurs much more quickly.[/p][/quote]A lot of the cans are 500ml 70cl bottle of cheap vodka £7 All_talk_no_action

12:13pm Fri 13 Dec 13

All_talk_no_action says...

All_talk_no_action wrote:
Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
All_talk_no_action wrote:
Wine 9 - 14%
Spirits 30 - 40%
cider 4 - 8.5%
Wake up Tim Young
It's % volume.

A bottle of wine may go up for 14%, but will have 750ml in a bottle and generally cost around a fiver.

A can of Special Brew is 9% for 440ml and can be bough in some shops from £1.30-1.50. So getting drunk quickly is much cheaper with the lager, and occurs much more quickly.
A lot of the cans are 500ml
70cl bottle of cheap vodka £7
3 litre of cider 7.5% £3.50 no way is that % volume more like per litre
[quote][p][bold]All_talk_no_action[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All_talk_no_action[/bold] wrote: Wine 9 - 14% Spirits 30 - 40% cider 4 - 8.5% Wake up Tim Young[/p][/quote]It's % volume. A bottle of wine may go up for 14%, but will have 750ml in a bottle and generally cost around a fiver. A can of Special Brew is 9% for 440ml and can be bough in some shops from £1.30-1.50. So getting drunk quickly is much cheaper with the lager, and occurs much more quickly.[/p][/quote]A lot of the cans are 500ml 70cl bottle of cheap vodka £7[/p][/quote]3 litre of cider 7.5% £3.50 no way is that % volume more like per litre All_talk_no_action

12:14pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Ritchie_Hicks says...

All_talk_no_action wrote:
Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
All_talk_no_action wrote:
Wine 9 - 14%
Spirits 30 - 40%
cider 4 - 8.5%
Wake up Tim Young
It's % volume.

A bottle of wine may go up for 14%, but will have 750ml in a bottle and generally cost around a fiver.

A can of Special Brew is 9% for 440ml and can be bough in some shops from £1.30-1.50. So getting drunk quickly is much cheaper with the lager, and occurs much more quickly.
A lot of the cans are 500ml
70cl bottle of cheap vodka £7
The point is that you can get a lot more alchohol into a smaller volume of liquid, for a lower price, and it's easier to raise £1.50 which is why these lagers are the drink of choice.
[quote][p][bold]All_talk_no_action[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All_talk_no_action[/bold] wrote: Wine 9 - 14% Spirits 30 - 40% cider 4 - 8.5% Wake up Tim Young[/p][/quote]It's % volume. A bottle of wine may go up for 14%, but will have 750ml in a bottle and generally cost around a fiver. A can of Special Brew is 9% for 440ml and can be bough in some shops from £1.30-1.50. So getting drunk quickly is much cheaper with the lager, and occurs much more quickly.[/p][/quote]A lot of the cans are 500ml 70cl bottle of cheap vodka £7[/p][/quote]The point is that you can get a lot more alchohol into a smaller volume of liquid, for a lower price, and it's easier to raise £1.50 which is why these lagers are the drink of choice. Ritchie_Hicks

12:15pm Fri 13 Dec 13

All_talk_no_action says...

Alcohol by volume (abbreviated as ABV, abv, or alc/vol) is a standard measure of how much alcohol (ethanol) is contained in an alcoholic beverage (expressed as a percentage of total volume). It is defined as the number of millilitres of pure ethanol present in 100 millilitres of solution at 20 °C. The number of millilitres of pure ethanol is the mass of the ethanol divided by its density at 20°C, which is 0.78924 g/ml. The ABV standard is used worldwide.
Alcohol by volume (abbreviated as ABV, abv, or alc/vol) is a standard measure of how much alcohol (ethanol) is contained in an alcoholic beverage (expressed as a percentage of total volume). It is defined as the number of millilitres of pure ethanol present in 100 millilitres of solution at 20 °C. The number of millilitres of pure ethanol is the mass of the ethanol divided by its density at 20°C, which is 0.78924 g/ml. The ABV standard is used worldwide. All_talk_no_action

12:15pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Ritchie_Hicks says...

All_talk_no_action wrote:
All_talk_no_action wrote:
Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
All_talk_no_action wrote:
Wine 9 - 14%
Spirits 30 - 40%
cider 4 - 8.5%
Wake up Tim Young
It's % volume.

A bottle of wine may go up for 14%, but will have 750ml in a bottle and generally cost around a fiver.

A can of Special Brew is 9% for 440ml and can be bough in some shops from £1.30-1.50. So getting drunk quickly is much cheaper with the lager, and occurs much more quickly.
A lot of the cans are 500ml
70cl bottle of cheap vodka £7
3 litre of cider 7.5% £3.50 no way is that % volume more like per litre
Even it is it, it's still less than 9% per 500ml.
[quote][p][bold]All_talk_no_action[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All_talk_no_action[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All_talk_no_action[/bold] wrote: Wine 9 - 14% Spirits 30 - 40% cider 4 - 8.5% Wake up Tim Young[/p][/quote]It's % volume. A bottle of wine may go up for 14%, but will have 750ml in a bottle and generally cost around a fiver. A can of Special Brew is 9% for 440ml and can be bough in some shops from £1.30-1.50. So getting drunk quickly is much cheaper with the lager, and occurs much more quickly.[/p][/quote]A lot of the cans are 500ml 70cl bottle of cheap vodka £7[/p][/quote]3 litre of cider 7.5% £3.50 no way is that % volume more like per litre[/p][/quote]Even it is it, it's still less than 9% per 500ml. Ritchie_Hicks

12:22pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Ritchie_Hicks says...

All_talk_no_action wrote:
Alcohol by volume (abbreviated as ABV, abv, or alc/vol) is a standard measure of how much alcohol (ethanol) is contained in an alcoholic beverage (expressed as a percentage of total volume). It is defined as the number of millilitres of pure ethanol present in 100 millilitres of solution at 20 °C. The number of millilitres of pure ethanol is the mass of the ethanol divided by its density at 20°C, which is 0.78924 g/ml. The ABV standard is used worldwide.
Wine – 14% per 750ml - £5 bottle – 500ml = £3.33 for 500ml @ 9.3%

Strong lager – 9% per 500ml - £1.50 can = £1.50 for 500ml @ 9%

So strong lager is half the price of wine per ml, and this example assumes 14% for the wine. Most bottles are 12%.
[quote][p][bold]All_talk_no_action[/bold] wrote: Alcohol by volume (abbreviated as ABV, abv, or alc/vol) is a standard measure of how much alcohol (ethanol) is contained in an alcoholic beverage (expressed as a percentage of total volume). It is defined as the number of millilitres of pure ethanol present in 100 millilitres of solution at 20 °C. The number of millilitres of pure ethanol is the mass of the ethanol divided by its density at 20°C, which is 0.78924 g/ml. The ABV standard is used worldwide.[/p][/quote]Wine – 14% per 750ml - £5 bottle – 500ml = £3.33 for 500ml @ 9.3% Strong lager – 9% per 500ml - £1.50 can = £1.50 for 500ml @ 9% So strong lager is half the price of wine per ml, and this example assumes 14% for the wine. Most bottles are 12%. Ritchie_Hicks

12:26pm Fri 13 Dec 13

SAndrewss says...

Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
All_talk_no_action wrote:
All_talk_no_action wrote:
Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
All_talk_no_action wrote:
Wine 9 - 14%
Spirits 30 - 40%
cider 4 - 8.5%
Wake up Tim Young
It's % volume.

A bottle of wine may go up for 14%, but will have 750ml in a bottle and generally cost around a fiver.

A can of Special Brew is 9% for 440ml and can be bough in some shops from £1.30-1.50. So getting drunk quickly is much cheaper with the lager, and occurs much more quickly.
A lot of the cans are 500ml
70cl bottle of cheap vodka £7
3 litre of cider 7.5% £3.50 no way is that % volume more like per litre
Even it is it, it's still less than 9% per 500ml.
I think people are getting confused, % by volume (or %ABV) is the amount of ethenol by percentage in 100ml's, it is not the percentage of alcahol in a particular container.
For example, 500ml's of Special Brew is 9% ABV, 3 litres of Special Brew is still 9% ABV. Likewise, the cider mentioned above is 7.5% regardless of whether it is 3 litres or a hundred litres.
[quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All_talk_no_action[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All_talk_no_action[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All_talk_no_action[/bold] wrote: Wine 9 - 14% Spirits 30 - 40% cider 4 - 8.5% Wake up Tim Young[/p][/quote]It's % volume. A bottle of wine may go up for 14%, but will have 750ml in a bottle and generally cost around a fiver. A can of Special Brew is 9% for 440ml and can be bough in some shops from £1.30-1.50. So getting drunk quickly is much cheaper with the lager, and occurs much more quickly.[/p][/quote]A lot of the cans are 500ml 70cl bottle of cheap vodka £7[/p][/quote]3 litre of cider 7.5% £3.50 no way is that % volume more like per litre[/p][/quote]Even it is it, it's still less than 9% per 500ml.[/p][/quote]I think people are getting confused, % by volume (or %ABV) is the amount of ethenol by percentage in 100ml's, it is not the percentage of alcahol in a particular container. For example, 500ml's of Special Brew is 9% ABV, 3 litres of Special Brew is still 9% ABV. Likewise, the cider mentioned above is 7.5% regardless of whether it is 3 litres or a hundred litres. SAndrewss

12:31pm Fri 13 Dec 13

SAndrewss says...

Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
All_talk_no_action wrote:
Alcohol by volume (abbreviated as ABV, abv, or alc/vol) is a standard measure of how much alcohol (ethanol) is contained in an alcoholic beverage (expressed as a percentage of total volume). It is defined as the number of millilitres of pure ethanol present in 100 millilitres of solution at 20 °C. The number of millilitres of pure ethanol is the mass of the ethanol divided by its density at 20°C, which is 0.78924 g/ml. The ABV standard is used worldwide.
Wine – 14% per 750ml - £5 bottle – 500ml = £3.33 for 500ml @ 9.3%

Strong lager – 9% per 500ml - £1.50 can = £1.50 for 500ml @ 9%

So strong lager is half the price of wine per ml, and this example assumes 14% for the wine. Most bottles are 12%.
Nope!

500mm of a 750mm 14% ABV wine, is still 14% ABV.

Come on people.
[quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All_talk_no_action[/bold] wrote: Alcohol by volume (abbreviated as ABV, abv, or alc/vol) is a standard measure of how much alcohol (ethanol) is contained in an alcoholic beverage (expressed as a percentage of total volume). It is defined as the number of millilitres of pure ethanol present in 100 millilitres of solution at 20 °C. The number of millilitres of pure ethanol is the mass of the ethanol divided by its density at 20°C, which is 0.78924 g/ml. The ABV standard is used worldwide.[/p][/quote]Wine – 14% per 750ml - £5 bottle – 500ml = £3.33 for 500ml @ 9.3% Strong lager – 9% per 500ml - £1.50 can = £1.50 for 500ml @ 9% So strong lager is half the price of wine per ml, and this example assumes 14% for the wine. Most bottles are 12%.[/p][/quote]Nope! 500mm of a 750mm 14% ABV wine, is still 14% ABV. Come on people. SAndrewss

12:33pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Ritchie_Hicks says...

SAndrewss wrote:
Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
All_talk_no_action wrote:
All_talk_no_action wrote:
Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
All_talk_no_action wrote:
Wine 9 - 14%
Spirits 30 - 40%
cider 4 - 8.5%
Wake up Tim Young
It's % volume.

A bottle of wine may go up for 14%, but will have 750ml in a bottle and generally cost around a fiver.

A can of Special Brew is 9% for 440ml and can be bough in some shops from £1.30-1.50. So getting drunk quickly is much cheaper with the lager, and occurs much more quickly.
A lot of the cans are 500ml
70cl bottle of cheap vodka £7
3 litre of cider 7.5% £3.50 no way is that % volume more like per litre
Even it is it, it's still less than 9% per 500ml.
I think people are getting confused, % by volume (or %ABV) is the amount of ethenol by percentage in 100ml's, it is not the percentage of alcahol in a particular container.
For example, 500ml's of Special Brew is 9% ABV, 3 litres of Special Brew is still 9% ABV. Likewise, the cider mentioned above is 7.5% regardless of whether it is 3 litres or a hundred litres.
Yes, you are correct. I resind that comment.
[quote][p][bold]SAndrewss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All_talk_no_action[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All_talk_no_action[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All_talk_no_action[/bold] wrote: Wine 9 - 14% Spirits 30 - 40% cider 4 - 8.5% Wake up Tim Young[/p][/quote]It's % volume. A bottle of wine may go up for 14%, but will have 750ml in a bottle and generally cost around a fiver. A can of Special Brew is 9% for 440ml and can be bough in some shops from £1.30-1.50. So getting drunk quickly is much cheaper with the lager, and occurs much more quickly.[/p][/quote]A lot of the cans are 500ml 70cl bottle of cheap vodka £7[/p][/quote]3 litre of cider 7.5% £3.50 no way is that % volume more like per litre[/p][/quote]Even it is it, it's still less than 9% per 500ml.[/p][/quote]I think people are getting confused, % by volume (or %ABV) is the amount of ethenol by percentage in 100ml's, it is not the percentage of alcahol in a particular container. For example, 500ml's of Special Brew is 9% ABV, 3 litres of Special Brew is still 9% ABV. Likewise, the cider mentioned above is 7.5% regardless of whether it is 3 litres or a hundred litres.[/p][/quote]Yes, you are correct. I resind that comment. Ritchie_Hicks

12:45pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Ritchie_Hicks says...

*rescind
*rescind Ritchie_Hicks

12:47pm Fri 13 Dec 13

SAndrewss says...

A way to work it out, Vodka Vs Special Brew would be to work out the cost of 1ml of ethanol in each of the beverages.
40% ABV vodka at £7 per 70cl (or 700ml) works at at about 4p per ml.
9% ABV Lager at say £1.50 per 500ml works out at about 3p per ml.

So they are comparable in cost, but the super strength lager would be a little cheaper for the same hit.
A way to work it out, Vodka Vs Special Brew would be to work out the cost of 1ml of ethanol in each of the beverages. 40% ABV vodka at £7 per 70cl (or 700ml) works at at about 4p per ml. 9% ABV Lager at say £1.50 per 500ml works out at about 3p per ml. So they are comparable in cost, but the super strength lager would be a little cheaper for the same hit. SAndrewss

12:48pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Ritchie_Hicks says...

SAndrewss wrote:
A way to work it out, Vodka Vs Special Brew would be to work out the cost of 1ml of ethanol in each of the beverages.
40% ABV vodka at £7 per 70cl (or 700ml) works at at about 4p per ml.
9% ABV Lager at say £1.50 per 500ml works out at about 3p per ml.

So they are comparable in cost, but the super strength lager would be a little cheaper for the same hit.
Sure. When you factor in wine, I suspect it rises quite noticeably.
[quote][p][bold]SAndrewss[/bold] wrote: A way to work it out, Vodka Vs Special Brew would be to work out the cost of 1ml of ethanol in each of the beverages. 40% ABV vodka at £7 per 70cl (or 700ml) works at at about 4p per ml. 9% ABV Lager at say £1.50 per 500ml works out at about 3p per ml. So they are comparable in cost, but the super strength lager would be a little cheaper for the same hit.[/p][/quote]Sure. When you factor in wine, I suspect it rises quite noticeably. Ritchie_Hicks

12:51pm Fri 13 Dec 13

SAndrewss says...

Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
SAndrewss wrote:
A way to work it out, Vodka Vs Special Brew would be to work out the cost of 1ml of ethanol in each of the beverages.
40% ABV vodka at £7 per 70cl (or 700ml) works at at about 4p per ml.
9% ABV Lager at say £1.50 per 500ml works out at about 3p per ml.

So they are comparable in cost, but the super strength lager would be a little cheaper for the same hit.
Sure. When you factor in wine, I suspect it rises quite noticeably.
Yes you are probably right. :-)
[quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAndrewss[/bold] wrote: A way to work it out, Vodka Vs Special Brew would be to work out the cost of 1ml of ethanol in each of the beverages. 40% ABV vodka at £7 per 70cl (or 700ml) works at at about 4p per ml. 9% ABV Lager at say £1.50 per 500ml works out at about 3p per ml. So they are comparable in cost, but the super strength lager would be a little cheaper for the same hit.[/p][/quote]Sure. When you factor in wine, I suspect it rises quite noticeably.[/p][/quote]Yes you are probably right. :-) SAndrewss

1:25pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Reginald47 says...

Another hobby horse for Quince to jump on. He must have a sore bum trying to outrussell Russell.
Another hobby horse for Quince to jump on. He must have a sore bum trying to outrussell Russell. Reginald47

1:50pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Scoot says...

Achtung Achtung, vee vill round zem up and get rid of zem from zee town centre - That is the attitude of the council and the majority of you. So during the season of good will to all men (and women) you want to ethnically cleanse central Colchester of the homeless who probably, no DO, drink to forget something that has happened in their lives that has pushed them out onto the streets. A lot of them have been abused, come out of the services and couldn't cope with civvy street, had breakdowns etc etc. I know of one example of an alcoholic who had a first from Oxbridge, could speak 7 languages (and probably could have learnt more if he put his mind to it) but something happened to him that meant that he turned to the bottle to forget things. Your views just sum up the uncaring self centred attitudes of the majority of Colcestrians. Where the council should be targetting their energy is to stop the pretentious prigs of the 20 somethings that think TOWIE is what life is all about, that down bottles of vodka before going out on the town leaving their pavement pizzas for someone to step in in the morning whilst out shopping on the high street. Perhaps the Council should tackle obesity whilst it at it and make McDonalds non-24 hour on Cowdray Avenue and refuse the same for Stanway, but the chances of that happening are about as much as Tescos being refused permission to open another Express...
Achtung Achtung, vee vill round zem up and get rid of zem from zee town centre - That is the attitude of the council and the majority of you. So during the season of good will to all men (and women) you want to ethnically cleanse central Colchester of the homeless who probably, no DO, drink to forget something that has happened in their lives that has pushed them out onto the streets. A lot of them have been abused, come out of the services and couldn't cope with civvy street, had breakdowns etc etc. I know of one example of an alcoholic who had a first from Oxbridge, could speak 7 languages (and probably could have learnt more if he put his mind to it) but something happened to him that meant that he turned to the bottle to forget things. Your views just sum up the uncaring self centred attitudes of the majority of Colcestrians. Where the council should be targetting their energy is to stop the pretentious prigs of the 20 somethings that think TOWIE is what life is all about, that down bottles of vodka before going out on the town leaving their pavement pizzas for someone to step in in the morning whilst out shopping on the high street. Perhaps the Council should tackle obesity whilst it at it and make McDonalds non-24 hour on Cowdray Avenue and refuse the same for Stanway, but the chances of that happening are about as much as Tescos being refused permission to open another Express... Scoot

1:57pm Fri 13 Dec 13

SAndrewss says...

Nice rant.
Nice rant. SAndrewss

3:12pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Bobby Walker says...

Supermarket prices for strong cider and super strength beer have roughly the same price per unit of alcohol as some dark rums and vodkas. Whisky on special offer can also be comparative.
That's why the debate on a national level has been about minimum price per alcohol unit, rather than specifically targeting particular drinks or brands.
Not sure how balanced or fair it is banning particular drinks, especially if you don’t happen to drink them yourself.
Supermarket prices for strong cider and super strength beer have roughly the same price per unit of alcohol as some dark rums and vodkas. Whisky on special offer can also be comparative. That's why the debate on a national level has been about minimum price per alcohol unit, rather than specifically targeting particular drinks or brands. Not sure how balanced or fair it is banning particular drinks, especially if you don’t happen to drink them yourself. Bobby Walker

3:25pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Scoot says...

Go out tonight folks at around midnight. Will it be the homeless alcoholics who will be kicking over the bins, smashing the odd shop window, passing out in their own vomit on the high street, fighting over some bimbo or bloke ?? No ! it will most likely be your son or daughter who you've let get tanked up at home before going out on some vodka or other spirit they bought from tescos. Then ask yourself this, how many of you get home each day after a 'hard' day at work and say 'I need a drink' and then pour yourself one ? if you do YOU are an alcoholic !! Check out the buffet cars of the inter-cities each evening and you will see the same crowd of people drinking, just because they aren't blind drunk doesn't mean they are not alcoholics.
Go out tonight folks at around midnight. Will it be the homeless alcoholics who will be kicking over the bins, smashing the odd shop window, passing out in their own vomit on the high street, fighting over some bimbo or bloke ?? No ! it will most likely be your son or daughter who you've let get tanked up at home before going out on some vodka or other spirit they bought from tescos. Then ask yourself this, how many of you get home each day after a 'hard' day at work and say 'I need a drink' and then pour yourself one ? if you do YOU are an alcoholic !! Check out the buffet cars of the inter-cities each evening and you will see the same crowd of people drinking, just because they aren't blind drunk doesn't mean they are not alcoholics. Scoot

10:00pm Fri 13 Dec 13

super waluigi says...

Scoot wrote:
Go out tonight folks at around midnight. Will it be the homeless alcoholics who will be kicking over the bins, smashing the odd shop window, passing out in their own vomit on the high street, fighting over some bimbo or bloke ?? No ! it will most likely be your son or daughter who you've let get tanked up at home before going out on some vodka or other spirit they bought from tescos. Then ask yourself this, how many of you get home each day after a 'hard' day at work and say 'I need a drink' and then pour yourself one ? if you do YOU are an alcoholic !! Check out the buffet cars of the inter-cities each evening and you will see the same crowd of people drinking, just because they aren't blind drunk doesn't mean they are not alcoholics.
I think you are a little confused. No one, not even the pm has mentioned the homeless. This ban is not about homeless people drinking super strength alcohol, but the cause of this alcohol in all walks of life, including, like you say, 20 year olds.
[quote][p][bold]Scoot[/bold] wrote: Go out tonight folks at around midnight. Will it be the homeless alcoholics who will be kicking over the bins, smashing the odd shop window, passing out in their own vomit on the high street, fighting over some bimbo or bloke ?? No ! it will most likely be your son or daughter who you've let get tanked up at home before going out on some vodka or other spirit they bought from tescos. Then ask yourself this, how many of you get home each day after a 'hard' day at work and say 'I need a drink' and then pour yourself one ? if you do YOU are an alcoholic !! Check out the buffet cars of the inter-cities each evening and you will see the same crowd of people drinking, just because they aren't blind drunk doesn't mean they are not alcoholics.[/p][/quote]I think you are a little confused. No one, not even the pm has mentioned the homeless. This ban is not about homeless people drinking super strength alcohol, but the cause of this alcohol in all walks of life, including, like you say, 20 year olds. super waluigi

12:23am Sat 14 Dec 13

SAndrewss says...

I think Scoot must have stubbed his toe or something, lol, I'm sure he means well.
I think Scoot must have stubbed his toe or something, lol, I'm sure he means well. SAndrewss

2:07am Sat 14 Dec 13

Boris says...

Just stop supermarkets from selling alcohol. It's so simple. Make us all buy our alcohol at the off-sales counters at pubs, or at dedicated off-licences, like we used to do.
Yes, booze will cost a bit more. Yes, we shall probably drink a bit less. We can live with that.
But of course it won't happen, because the supermarkets have a vice-like grip on the government's goolies.
Just stop supermarkets from selling alcohol. It's so simple. Make us all buy our alcohol at the off-sales counters at pubs, or at dedicated off-licences, like we used to do. Yes, booze will cost a bit more. Yes, we shall probably drink a bit less. We can live with that. But of course it won't happen, because the supermarkets have a vice-like grip on the government's goolies. Boris

9:47am Mon 16 Dec 13

Scoot says...

SAndrewss, I haven't stubbed my toe but when I read "I think we would all be happy to remove the 'Special Brew' contingent from the town, one way or another." and Super Waluigis post it hacks me off. Who are the people who buy the super strength lagers that we see around the town centres ?? It is the homeless who want to get drunk quickly and the alcoholics who want a cheap fix. Both these sectors of society, and a lot are both, need support and help. What I am trying to get at is that the people who cause the real problems in the town centre don't drink super strength lagers, they usually get tanked up at home on spirits before going out and it is that sector of society the council should be targetting.
SAndrewss, I haven't stubbed my toe but when I read "I think we would all be happy to remove the 'Special Brew' contingent from the town, one way or another." and Super Waluigis post it hacks me off. Who are the people who buy the super strength lagers that we see around the town centres ?? It is the homeless who want to get drunk quickly and the alcoholics who want a cheap fix. Both these sectors of society, and a lot are both, need support and help. What I am trying to get at is that the people who cause the real problems in the town centre don't drink super strength lagers, they usually get tanked up at home on spirits before going out and it is that sector of society the council should be targetting. Scoot

1:17pm Mon 16 Dec 13

TheCaptain says...

Scoot wrote:
SAndrewss, I haven't stubbed my toe but when I read "I think we would all be happy to remove the 'Special Brew' contingent from the town, one way or another." and Super Waluigis post it hacks me off. Who are the people who buy the super strength lagers that we see around the town centres ?? It is the homeless who want to get drunk quickly and the alcoholics who want a cheap fix. Both these sectors of society, and a lot are both, need support and help. What I am trying to get at is that the people who cause the real problems in the town centre don't drink super strength lagers, they usually get tanked up at home on spirits before going out and it is that sector of society the council should be targetting.
But Scoot when the super strength drinkers cause trouble, and they do it's during the day when young children are out and about. Very nice. When children and women are scared to go to parts of the town centre in the day then something is wrong.

Night time trouble is also a major problem but at least it's avoidable.
[quote][p][bold]Scoot[/bold] wrote: SAndrewss, I haven't stubbed my toe but when I read "I think we would all be happy to remove the 'Special Brew' contingent from the town, one way or another." and Super Waluigis post it hacks me off. Who are the people who buy the super strength lagers that we see around the town centres ?? It is the homeless who want to get drunk quickly and the alcoholics who want a cheap fix. Both these sectors of society, and a lot are both, need support and help. What I am trying to get at is that the people who cause the real problems in the town centre don't drink super strength lagers, they usually get tanked up at home on spirits before going out and it is that sector of society the council should be targetting.[/p][/quote]But Scoot when the super strength drinkers cause trouble, and they do it's during the day when young children are out and about. Very nice. When children and women are scared to go to parts of the town centre in the day then something is wrong. Night time trouble is also a major problem but at least it's avoidable. TheCaptain

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