Man's bones broken in robbery (From Gazette)

What a coward this evil thug is!

Sooner or later the decent people will take the law into their own hands and deal with scumbags like this

That day can't be too far away!

Shame it wasn't the other way around with the thug winding up in traction with everything broken! Mind you - then the victim would be at the end of a claim for bodily harm. How brainless is this system set up that it is more advantageous to be the perpetrator than the victim? SMH. I never thought I would be saying that my home town (the Bronx NYC) is safer than Britain! They are way too light on criminals in this country. Screw hugging a hoodie - We need Guilani's Zero tolerance.

hmedia wrote:
Shame it wasn't the other way around with the thug winding up in traction with everything broken! Mind you - then the victim would be at the end of a claim for bodily harm. How brainless is this system set up that it is more advantageous to be the perpetrator than the victim? SMH. I never thought I would be saying that my home town (the Bronx NYC) is safer than Britain! They are way too light on criminals in this country. Screw hugging a hoodie - We need Guilani's Zero tolerance.

Are you saying the USA is safer than Britain? With all those millions of people possessing assault rifles? With all the massacres of children, firefighters and other innocents? Ever counted the number of murders per head of population in the two countries?
When the outdated second amendment is deleted from the U.S. constitution, and when guns are properly controlled there, you can lecture us about how wonderful your country is. Until then, a little caution would be in order.

hmedia wrote:
Shame it wasn't the other way around with the thug winding up in traction with everything broken! Mind you - then the victim would be at the end of a claim for bodily harm. How brainless is this system set up that it is more advantageous to be the perpetrator than the victim? SMH. I never thought I would be saying that my home town (the Bronx NYC) is safer than Britain! They are way too light on criminals in this country. Screw hugging a hoodie - We need Guilani's Zero tolerance.

Oh I see so from your vast experience you can categorically state that the entire UK is less safe than one part of New York?

I tell you what when we decide to allow out mentally ill uncontrolled and poorly regulated access to firearms we'll be in touch then you can once again remind us how much better things are in the states.

Taj wrote:
Sooner or later the decent people will take the law into their own hands and deal with scumbags like this

I think that's the way it's going.

So it is ok to invite the criminal in for a cuppa while he peruses your property and decides what he wants to take knowing that he has the law on HIS side??? Come on people ... you know darned well what I am saying. Shrink the USA down to UK proportions and what I said made loads of sense. And you got me well wrong ... I have been living in the UK for over half my life (32 years) and I love the UK. I hate seeing yobs playing the system and scroungers crapping on everyone who is paying their way.

To the ones who thought I was slagging off the UK ... I have to add that I love the UK way more than a lot of people born here do. I am not for one minute saying that the USA is better because it most certainly is not in many key areas - not least in health care. When I first relocated to the UK (1978) it would be headline news to read about murders, killings n all that. Today it is so common place, we just flip the page in our newspaper to check the lotto results instead. THAT is what I am saying about the state of things in the UK. I'll say again - I LOVE the UK and it saddens me to see native born brits (a minority fortunately) who are hell bent on giving the UK such a crappy rep when the majority are such good people. I ought to know good brits - been married to one for over a quarter century mates ;-) Over n out ...

Boris wrote:

hmedia wrote:
Shame it wasn't the other way around with the thug winding up in traction with everything broken! Mind you - then the victim would be at the end of a claim for bodily harm. How brainless is this system set up that it is more advantageous to be the perpetrator than the victim? SMH. I never thought I would be saying that my home town (the Bronx NYC) is safer than Britain! They are way too light on criminals in this country. Screw hugging a hoodie - We need Guilani's Zero tolerance.

Are you saying the USA is safer than Britain? With all those millions of people possessing assault rifles? With all the massacres of children, firefighters and other innocents? Ever counted the number of murders per head of population in the two countries?
When the outdated second amendment is deleted from the U.S. constitution, and when guns are properly controlled there, you can lecture us about how wonderful your country is. Until then, a little caution would be in order.

no doris i dont think the poster was stating that but as for guns this is a bad situation and train of thought because a number of us are unsafe in our homes it can take up to 40 minutes for police to get an incident especially during busy times..there is a train of thought that filling some thugs backside full of rock salt via a shot gun cartridge might deter any dick from attacking you especially in our own homes... basically we are sitting ducks in our own home we have no protection in an overstretched system of policing.
guiliani adopted policies across the board which adopted a modicum of common sense he was Italian and they are a sensible nation.
the issue with the latest massacres sad very sad in the making is one of personal control and common sense. it is understood that the mother of Lanza was a gun club member and owner who took the disconfident child to club meetings.
this can give any unstable individual a thought or ponder of power in the realms of a reality that does not exist. the toughest person is one that shows temperance and control in the most severe of circumstances and then is able to defend oneself to the rule of minimum force with little or no collateral damage to others.
britain is not safe and colchester is clearly not safe, these are the worst stats for the town in a long time.

Dillinga wrote:

hmedia wrote:
Shame it wasn't the other way around with the thug winding up in traction with everything broken! Mind you - then the victim would be at the end of a claim for bodily harm. How brainless is this system set up that it is more advantageous to be the perpetrator than the victim? SMH. I never thought I would be saying that my home town (the Bronx NYC) is safer than Britain! They are way too light on criminals in this country. Screw hugging a hoodie - We need Guilani's Zero tolerance.

Oh I see so from your vast experience you can categorically state that the entire UK is less safe than one part of New York?

I tell you what when we decide to allow out mentally ill uncontrolled and poorly regulated access to firearms we'll be in touch then you can once again remind us how much better things are in the states.

Are you aware of how many times the UK social services have released known sex offenders and socially ill individuals back onto our streets and into our communities? Some **** judge actually quoted as saying how much courage it took for a thug to burgle someones home!!! How many times have children at risk been sent back to the very homes they have suffered their worst abuses in. Does Baby P ring any bells? Correct me where I may be wrong but last count there were about two victim support agencies in the UK but more than FOURTEEN support agencies for the criminals!!! And who says crime doesn't pay? We can quote murders per capita **** until the cows come home ... that will not change a damned thing. What will change is that people will eventually tire of this governments lack of support for the very people that put themselves in the firing line (police and emergency services) which leaves little choice for law abiding citizens but to start taking justice into their own hands .. unless you prefer for the UK to be ruled by the baddies whose civil liberties we must protect at any cost. I don't think so.

The facts prove that we are far less likely to be murdered in the UK than are people in the USA. (Other countries, such as South Africa or Mexico, are of course far more dangerous than either.)
Anyone who doubts this should just google "murder rate by country" and study the first few articles.

Boris wrote:
The facts prove that we are far less likely to be murdered in the UK than are people in the USA. (Other countries, such as South Africa or Mexico, are of course far more dangerous than either.)
Anyone who doubts this should just google "murder rate by country" and study the first few articles.

What you are saying does not take anything away from what is happening here in the UK. With all due respect - I will take back my generalized comparisons re the USA / UK ... I don't much care what they do in the USA or Mexico or Italy or South Africa etc. I live HERE .. I pay taxes here ... My primary concern is in what happens in the UK. Sorry for giving a toss ;-)

hmedia wrote:
To the ones who thought I was slagging off the UK ... I have to add that I love the UK way more than a lot of people born here do. I am not for one minute saying that the USA is better because it most certainly is not in many key areas - not least in health care. When I first relocated to the UK (1978) it would be headline news to read about murders, killings n all that. Today it is so common place, we just flip the page in our newspaper to check the lotto results instead. THAT is what I am saying about the state of things in the UK. I'll say again - I LOVE the UK and it saddens me to see native born brits (a minority fortunately) who are hell bent on giving the UK such a crappy rep when the majority are such good people. I ought to know good brits - been married to one for over a quarter century mates ;-) Over n out ...

Sorry to break this to you, but the murder rate now is lower than when you arrived back in 1978. Just checked it on Telegraph website. It is fairly steadily around 600 a year across the country for the last 40 years, but has dropped over the last decade, with a peak the year that Harold Shipman´s victims were realised and counted.

If you look at the murder rate, even sites which see gun control as an assault on human rights will concede that the rate in the UK is much lower than in the US.

It doesn´t make this assault any more acceptable, but let´s not go the Daily Mail route of extrapolating from one assault to conclude that British society has crumbled forever. It hasn´t.

hmedia wrote:

Boris wrote:
The facts prove that we are far less likely to be murdered in the UK than are people in the USA. (Other countries, such as South Africa or Mexico, are of course far more dangerous than either.)
Anyone who doubts this should just google "murder rate by country" and study the first few articles.

What you are saying does not take anything away from what is happening here in the UK. With all due respect - I will take back my generalized comparisons re the USA / UK ... I don't much care what they do in the USA or Mexico or Italy or South Africa etc. I live HERE .. I pay taxes here ... My primary concern is in what happens in the UK. Sorry for giving a toss ;-)

Sorry, hmedia, but if you were so concerned about what happens in the UK, you should not have made that comparison with the Bronx. If, as you told us, you were born there, then you are American and you ought to be concerned about what is happening to your fellow citizens.
The facts disprove your arguments, but that is not a reason for you to shift your ground. Just face up to the fact that we are a lot better off here, and one of the reasons for that is that far fewer people have access to guns.
We all agree that any act of violence is deplorable, but, as romantic so rightly says, that is no reason to believe the absurd line peddled in the Daily Hate Mail, that British society has crumbled away.
And if you have so much respect for Mr. Giuliani, you should at least do him the honour of spelling his name correctly.

Boris wrote:

hmedia wrote:

Boris wrote:
The facts prove that we are far less likely to be murdered in the UK than are people in the USA. (Other countries, such as South Africa or Mexico, are of course far more dangerous than either.)
Anyone who doubts this should just google "murder rate by country" and study the first few articles.

What you are saying does not take anything away from what is happening here in the UK. With all due respect - I will take back my generalized comparisons re the USA / UK ... I don't much care what they do in the USA or Mexico or Italy or South Africa etc. I live HERE .. I pay taxes here ... My primary concern is in what happens in the UK. Sorry for giving a toss ;-)

Sorry, hmedia, but if you were so concerned about what happens in the UK, you should not have made that comparison with the Bronx. If, as you told us, you were born there, then you are American and you ought to be concerned about what is happening to your fellow citizens.
The facts disprove your arguments, but that is not a reason for you to shift your ground. Just face up to the fact that we are a lot better off here, and one of the reasons for that is that far fewer people have access to guns.
We all agree that any act of violence is deplorable, but, as romantic so rightly says, that is no reason to believe the absurd line peddled in the Daily Hate Mail, that British society has crumbled away.
And if you have so much respect for Mr. Giuliani, you should at least do him the honour of spelling his name correctly.

Whatever .... don't you know when / how to take a compliment gracefully? Yeah - maybe the Daily Mail didn't do the UK any favours. In any case, been living here since so it figures that I more than like it here ;-) So I don't know how to spell Giuliani - maybe I didn't google it like you did but I do know how to spell Thatcher, Major, Brown, Blair etc. as this is where I live and pay taxes just like you do! Have a nice day.

Wasn't really a compliment was it? You stated that the whole if Britain was worse than one of the most run down areas of New York and the frantically back pedalled when questioned. Odd that you have seemingly chosen to raise your family in such a lawless place as Britain.

hmedia wrote:

Boris wrote:

hmedia wrote:

Boris wrote:
The facts prove that we are far less likely to be murdered in the UK than are people in the USA. (Other countries, such as South Africa or Mexico, are of course far more dangerous than either.)
Anyone who doubts this should just google "murder rate by country" and study the first few articles.

What you are saying does not take anything away from what is happening here in the UK. With all due respect - I will take back my generalized comparisons re the USA / UK ... I don't much care what they do in the USA or Mexico or Italy or South Africa etc. I live HERE .. I pay taxes here ... My primary concern is in what happens in the UK. Sorry for giving a toss ;-)

Sorry, hmedia, but if you were so concerned about what happens in the UK, you should not have made that comparison with the Bronx. If, as you told us, you were born there, then you are American and you ought to be concerned about what is happening to your fellow citizens.
The facts disprove your arguments, but that is not a reason for you to shift your ground. Just face up to the fact that we are a lot better off here, and one of the reasons for that is that far fewer people have access to guns.
We all agree that any act of violence is deplorable, but, as romantic so rightly says, that is no reason to believe the absurd line peddled in the Daily Hate Mail, that British society has crumbled away.
And if you have so much respect for Mr. Giuliani, you should at least do him the honour of spelling his name correctly.

Whatever .... don't you know when / how to take a compliment gracefully? Yeah - maybe the Daily Mail didn't do the UK any favours. In any case, been living here since so it figures that I more than like it here ;-) So I don't know how to spell Giuliani - maybe I didn't google it like you did but I do know how to spell Thatcher, Major, Brown, Blair etc. as this is where I live and pay taxes just like you do! Have a nice day.

OK hmedia, good to know you like it here, despite it being ruled by the succession of villains (including one war criminal) that you mention. Let's look forward to crossing swords again from time to time, and meanwhile, a very happy New Year to you.

Boris wrote:

hmedia wrote:

Boris wrote:

hmedia wrote:

Boris wrote:
The facts prove that we are far less likely to be murdered in the UK than are people in the USA. (Other countries, such as South Africa or Mexico, are of course far more dangerous than either.)
Anyone who doubts this should just google "murder rate by country" and study the first few articles.

What you are saying does not take anything away from what is happening here in the UK. With all due respect - I will take back my generalized comparisons re the USA / UK ... I don't much care what they do in the USA or Mexico or Italy or South Africa etc. I live HERE .. I pay taxes here ... My primary concern is in what happens in the UK. Sorry for giving a toss ;-)

Sorry, hmedia, but if you were so concerned about what happens in the UK, you should not have made that comparison with the Bronx. If, as you told us, you were born there, then you are American and you ought to be concerned about what is happening to your fellow citizens.
The facts disprove your arguments, but that is not a reason for you to shift your ground. Just face up to the fact that we are a lot better off here, and one of the reasons for that is that far fewer people have access to guns.
We all agree that any act of violence is deplorable, but, as romantic so rightly says, that is no reason to believe the absurd line peddled in the Daily Hate Mail, that British society has crumbled away.
And if you have so much respect for Mr. Giuliani, you should at least do him the honour of spelling his name correctly.

Whatever .... don't you know when / how to take a compliment gracefully? Yeah - maybe the Daily Mail didn't do the UK any favours. In any case, been living here since so it figures that I more than like it here ;-) So I don't know how to spell Giuliani - maybe I didn't google it like you did but I do know how to spell Thatcher, Major, Brown, Blair etc. as this is where I live and pay taxes just like you do! Have a nice day.

OK hmedia, good to know you like it here, despite it being ruled by the succession of villains (including one war criminal) that you mention. Let's look forward to crossing swords again from time to time, and meanwhile, a very happy New Year to you.

And a healthy, peaceful and prosperous new year to you and everyone on this side of the pond ;-) Best wishes ... hmedia.

Dillinga wrote:
Wasn't really a compliment was it? You stated that the whole if Britain was worse than one of the most run down areas of New York and the frantically back pedalled when questioned. Odd that you have seemingly chosen to raise your family in such a lawless place as Britain.

Back pedaling without fear of execution is one of the rights afforded to everyone living in this country - is it not? You Brits are just too clever for this ol' yank lol! I am not in a popularity contest here but I have way too many good friends in this country to let any one person rattle cages so let's just leave it at 'you're right in everything you say'. So sorry to have offended thee. Have a good life!

hmedia wrote:
Shame it wasn't the other way around with the thug winding up in traction with everything broken! Mind you - then the victim would be at the end of a claim for bodily harm. How brainless is this system set up that it is more advantageous to be the perpetrator than the victim? SMH. I never thought I would be saying that my home town (the Bronx NYC) is safer than Britain! They are way too light on criminals in this country. Screw hugging a hoodie - We need Guilani's Zero tolerance.

You have gone against what the thread is about.
When you say "shame it was not the other way around" and then "but then the robber would have claimed" is nonsense. Simply because anyone, robber or otherwise would claim.
In fact the reason why the thread is worded this way, and then ends abruptly is because they are looking to claim against the attacker.

Irrelevant really.

super waluigi wrote:

hmedia wrote:
Shame it wasn't the other way around with the thug winding up in traction with everything broken! Mind you - then the victim would be at the end of a claim for bodily harm. How brainless is this system set up that it is more advantageous to be the perpetrator than the victim? SMH. I never thought I would be saying that my home town (the Bronx NYC) is safer than Britain! They are way too light on criminals in this country. Screw hugging a hoodie - We need Guilani's Zero tolerance.

You have gone against what the thread is about.
When you say "shame it was not the other way around" and then "but then the robber would have claimed" is nonsense. Simply because anyone, robber or otherwise would claim.
In fact the reason why the thread is worded this way, and then ends abruptly is because they are looking to claim against the attacker.

Irrelevant really.

Gone against the thread? What you mean a bit like when you claim to have a chip on your shoulder about people labelling you and as you put it "putting you in a box" because of where you were raised despite them not even knowing you and then you yourself labelling people who disagree with you as "brainless & talentless" despite you yourself not having met the person you are labelling.

Dillinga wrote:

super waluigi wrote:

hmedia wrote:
Shame it wasn't the other way around with the thug winding up in traction with everything broken! Mind you - then the victim would be at the end of a claim for bodily harm. How brainless is this system set up that it is more advantageous to be the perpetrator than the victim? SMH. I never thought I would be saying that my home town (the Bronx NYC) is safer than Britain! They are way too light on criminals in this country. Screw hugging a hoodie - We need Guilani's Zero tolerance.

You have gone against what the thread is about.
When you say "shame it was not the other way around" and then "but then the robber would have claimed" is nonsense. Simply because anyone, robber or otherwise would claim.
In fact the reason why the thread is worded this way, and then ends abruptly is because they are looking to claim against the attacker.

Irrelevant really.

Gone against the thread? What you mean a bit like when you claim to have a chip on your shoulder about people labelling you and as you put it "putting you in a box" because of where you were raised despite them not even knowing you and then you yourself labelling people who disagree with you as "brainless & talentless" despite you yourself not having met the person you are labelling.

Nope.

super waluigi wrote:

Dillinga wrote:

super waluigi wrote:

hmedia wrote:
Shame it wasn't the other way around with the thug winding up in traction with everything broken! Mind you - then the victim would be at the end of a claim for bodily harm. How brainless is this system set up that it is more advantageous to be the perpetrator than the victim? SMH. I never thought I would be saying that my home town (the Bronx NYC) is safer than Britain! They are way too light on criminals in this country. Screw hugging a hoodie - We need Guilani's Zero tolerance.

You have gone against what the thread is about.
When you say "shame it was not the other way around" and then "but then the robber would have claimed" is nonsense. Simply because anyone, robber or otherwise would claim.
In fact the reason why the thread is worded this way, and then ends abruptly is because they are looking to claim against the attacker.

Irrelevant really.

Gone against the thread? What you mean a bit like when you claim to have a chip on your shoulder about people labelling you and as you put it "putting you in a box" because of where you were raised despite them not even knowing you and then you yourself labelling people who disagree with you as "brainless & talentless" despite you yourself not having met the person you are labelling.

Nope.

Erm it's exactly the same thing, we've already established you're not the sharpest, perhaps you could get a grown up to explain it to you.

Dillinga wrote:

super waluigi wrote:

Dillinga wrote:

super waluigi wrote:

hmedia wrote:
Shame it wasn't the other way around with the thug winding up in traction with everything broken! Mind you - then the victim would be at the end of a claim for bodily harm. How brainless is this system set up that it is more advantageous to be the perpetrator than the victim? SMH. I never thought I would be saying that my home town (the Bronx NYC) is safer than Britain! They are way too light on criminals in this country. Screw hugging a hoodie - We need Guilani's Zero tolerance.

You have gone against what the thread is about.
When you say "shame it was not the other way around" and then "but then the robber would have claimed" is nonsense. Simply because anyone, robber or otherwise would claim.
In fact the reason why the thread is worded this way, and then ends abruptly is because they are looking to claim against the attacker.

Irrelevant really.

Gone against the thread? What you mean a bit like when you claim to have a chip on your shoulder about people labelling you and as you put it "putting you in a box" because of where you were raised despite them not even knowing you and then you yourself labelling people who disagree with you as "brainless & talentless" despite you yourself not having met the person you are labelling.

Nope.

Erm it's exactly the same thing, we've already established you're not the sharpest, perhaps you could get a grown up to explain it to you.

Still not the same thing pal. It does not matter how aggressive or nasty you write your text, it is still not the same.

Happy new year.

Aggressive? I didn't realise you were such a sensitive little flower.

Come on it's not hard. You don't like and take issue with people forming opinions of you because of where you were brought up but you have no problem in labelling people yourself if you don't agree with them. You can't have it both ways I'm afraid I don't know how much more simple I can make this for you to understand.

But I don't understand Dillinga, if you look at what I said to hmedia, it in no circumstances implies that I have labelled him anything????

What have I supposedly labelled him as????

It does not matter how rude or aggressive you are, or in this case, patronising with your sensitive flower comments, you are still wrong.

Never mind. Try to chill out a bit, and enjoy the new year.