In today's Gazette: Christmas market axed

In today's Gazette: Colchester's grand Christmas market has been axed after only five days.

Stallholders quit the market, based at the former bus station off Queen Street, due to a lack of visitors.

* Burglars stole a baby's savings when they raided a house in Colchester.

The raiders struck while Paulina Wojtkowska and her family were asleep upstairs.

* The owner of a luxury penthouse on Colchester's Hythe Quay has criticised developers for what he claims is a catalogue of building blunders.

Anthony Benfield paid £289,000 for hisproperty but he said the walls creak, the windows leak and the car park and stairwell flood.

* Braintree Council leader Graham Butland has paid back £71 after discovering Lord Hanningfield spent taxpayers money buying him lunch.

For more on these and other great stories, see today's Gazette. There is always more in the paper than there is online.

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9:48am Tue 18 Dec 12

Bert_Stimpson says...

The market traders should have talked to firsts*ite next door. They are the experts at carrying on despite a lack of visitors.

Oh no, wait a minute, market traders are running a business where they have to make money to survive and cover the costs. Whereas the firsts*ite wasters get a shedload of public money for doing nothing...

Funny old world isn't it. Happy Xmas Colchester.
The market traders should have talked to firsts*ite next door. They are the experts at carrying on despite a lack of visitors. Oh no, wait a minute, market traders are running a business where they have to make money to survive and cover the costs. Whereas the firsts*ite wasters get a shedload of public money for doing nothing... Funny old world isn't it. Happy Xmas Colchester. Bert_Stimpson

10:19am Tue 18 Dec 12

romantic says...

I spoke to some of the traders and they were paying a lot of cash for those pitches, for something which did not seem to be that well publicised. They were not happy bunnies! The run-up to Xmas is a busy time for any market trader, and they have lost doubly by also not trading at another place.

However, I understand it was not run by CBC but by another party.
I spoke to some of the traders and they were paying a lot of cash for those pitches, for something which did not seem to be that well publicised. They were not happy bunnies! The run-up to Xmas is a busy time for any market trader, and they have lost doubly by also not trading at another place. However, I understand it was not run by CBC but by another party. romantic

10:34am Tue 18 Dec 12

TheCaptain says...

romantic wrote:
I spoke to some of the traders and they were paying a lot of cash for those pitches, for something which did not seem to be that well publicised. They were not happy bunnies! The run-up to Xmas is a busy time for any market trader, and they have lost doubly by also not trading at another place.

However, I understand it was not run by CBC but by another party.
Yes organised by Snake in the Grass
[quote][p][bold]romantic[/bold] wrote: I spoke to some of the traders and they were paying a lot of cash for those pitches, for something which did not seem to be that well publicised. They were not happy bunnies! The run-up to Xmas is a busy time for any market trader, and they have lost doubly by also not trading at another place. However, I understand it was not run by CBC but by another party.[/p][/quote]Yes organised by Snake in the Grass TheCaptain

10:39am Tue 18 Dec 12

hughie-s says...

Not surprised the stall holders are not happy as the organisers website describes the site thus...

"The Fair will be slap bang in the town centre on what was the Colchester Bus Park. It is alongside a public car park and a matter of a few yards from another major car park and Colchester Town Railway Station. "

Doubt they were expecting the alongside car park to be on a different level with no connection nor the "few yards" to be a few hundred.
Not surprised the stall holders are not happy as the organisers website describes the site thus... "The Fair will be slap bang in the town centre on what was the Colchester Bus Park. It is alongside a public car park and a matter of a few yards from another major car park and Colchester Town Railway Station. " Doubt they were expecting the alongside car park to be on a different level with no connection nor the "few yards" to be a few hundred. hughie-s

12:08pm Tue 18 Dec 12

super waluigi says...

Bert_Stimpson wrote:
The market traders should have talked to firsts*ite next door. They are the experts at carrying on despite a lack of visitors.

Oh no, wait a minute, market traders are running a business where they have to make money to survive and cover the costs. Whereas the firsts*ite wasters get a shedload of public money for doing nothing...

Funny old world isn't it. Happy Xmas Colchester.
You are fast tracking yourself into most ridiculous blogger of the year.

I am not pro first site, I am not a man of art. But I do know that the building showcases local film makers works who may not get such opportunities to establish themselves with out first site. Can you name me any local film directors?
It also encourages school children from all over the borough to learn in an establishment away from their schools about other interesting subjects such as history and art.

Something's in life offer more than just a return of money. But if money is whats important then you should see that first site gain £395,000 for its award. Education is what first site offers, I suggest you go there.

As for the traders, I feel for them. In cities like London, trendy stalls selling worldwide foods and items are making a real progression in this so called recession. I doubt they will be the only traders in colchester to walk away in the next 2 months.
[quote][p][bold]Bert_Stimpson[/bold] wrote: The market traders should have talked to firsts*ite next door. They are the experts at carrying on despite a lack of visitors. Oh no, wait a minute, market traders are running a business where they have to make money to survive and cover the costs. Whereas the firsts*ite wasters get a shedload of public money for doing nothing... Funny old world isn't it. Happy Xmas Colchester.[/p][/quote]You are fast tracking yourself into most ridiculous blogger of the year. I am not pro first site, I am not a man of art. But I do know that the building showcases local film makers works who may not get such opportunities to establish themselves with out first site. Can you name me any local film directors? It also encourages school children from all over the borough to learn in an establishment away from their schools about other interesting subjects such as history and art. Something's in life offer more than just a return of money. But if money is whats important then you should see that first site gain £395,000 for its award. Education is what first site offers, I suggest you go there. As for the traders, I feel for them. In cities like London, trendy stalls selling worldwide foods and items are making a real progression in this so called recession. I doubt they will be the only traders in colchester to walk away in the next 2 months. super waluigi

12:28pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Bert_Stimpson says...

super waluigi wrote:
Bert_Stimpson wrote:
The market traders should have talked to firsts*ite next door. They are the experts at carrying on despite a lack of visitors.

Oh no, wait a minute, market traders are running a business where they have to make money to survive and cover the costs. Whereas the firsts*ite wasters get a shedload of public money for doing nothing...

Funny old world isn't it. Happy Xmas Colchester.
You are fast tracking yourself into most ridiculous blogger of the year.

I am not pro first site, I am not a man of art. But I do know that the building showcases local film makers works who may not get such opportunities to establish themselves with out first site. Can you name me any local film directors?
It also encourages school children from all over the borough to learn in an establishment away from their schools about other interesting subjects such as history and art.

Something's in life offer more than just a return of money. But if money is whats important then you should see that first site gain £395,000 for its award. Education is what first site offers, I suggest you go there.

As for the traders, I feel for them. In cities like London, trendy stalls selling worldwide foods and items are making a real progression in this so called recession. I doubt they will be the only traders in colchester to walk away in the next 2 months.
"You are fast tracking yourself into most ridiculous blogger of the year."

I wish. You've had that award sewn up for months.

You're probably also in the running for worst plumber of the year too based on your comments elsewhere.

I agree though, you are not a man of art. You do seem to like wasteful public spending though.

Happy Xmas.
[quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bert_Stimpson[/bold] wrote: The market traders should have talked to firsts*ite next door. They are the experts at carrying on despite a lack of visitors. Oh no, wait a minute, market traders are running a business where they have to make money to survive and cover the costs. Whereas the firsts*ite wasters get a shedload of public money for doing nothing... Funny old world isn't it. Happy Xmas Colchester.[/p][/quote]You are fast tracking yourself into most ridiculous blogger of the year. I am not pro first site, I am not a man of art. But I do know that the building showcases local film makers works who may not get such opportunities to establish themselves with out first site. Can you name me any local film directors? It also encourages school children from all over the borough to learn in an establishment away from their schools about other interesting subjects such as history and art. Something's in life offer more than just a return of money. But if money is whats important then you should see that first site gain £395,000 for its award. Education is what first site offers, I suggest you go there. As for the traders, I feel for them. In cities like London, trendy stalls selling worldwide foods and items are making a real progression in this so called recession. I doubt they will be the only traders in colchester to walk away in the next 2 months.[/p][/quote]"You are fast tracking yourself into most ridiculous blogger of the year." I wish. You've had that award sewn up for months. You're probably also in the running for worst plumber of the year too based on your comments elsewhere. I agree though, you are not a man of art. You do seem to like wasteful public spending though. Happy Xmas. Bert_Stimpson

12:48pm Tue 18 Dec 12

icecoolmark says...

'Grand' market? I live in Colchester, shop in town, and I didn't even know it was there!!! What we need is a proper, regular market. And by 'proper', I don't mean one selling fake Adidas and Nike tracksuits. Someone is already doing that in greenstead. (Probably)
'Grand' market? I live in Colchester, shop in town, and I didn't even know it was there!!! What we need is a proper, regular market. And by 'proper', I don't mean one selling fake Adidas and Nike tracksuits. Someone is already doing that in greenstead. (Probably) icecoolmark

1:21pm Tue 18 Dec 12

romantic says...

icecoolmark wrote:
'Grand' market? I live in Colchester, shop in town, and I didn't even know it was there!!! What we need is a proper, regular market. And by 'proper', I don't mean one selling fake Adidas and Nike tracksuits. Someone is already doing that in greenstead. (Probably)
I think people not knowing it was there was a major part of the problem! There already is a market, but it has been spread out all around the town.

The market in the High Street worked because that is part of the central zone that a lot of people tend to stick to.

There was a small amount of publicity for this market, which I think came with the free paper, but lots of people just throw the enclosed bumf into the bin (recycling, I hope!). The traders who came for this (and they came from hundreds of miles away in some cases) relied on the assurances given them that this would be a big market, but it does show that just a couple of hundred yards can make all the difference. The regular market had the same issue when it was moved into Vineyard St car park: not enough people go there.

I thought the idea of a Xmas market was a good one, and it´s a shame that it didn´t work out. Publicity and location are everything in these things.
[quote][p][bold]icecoolmark[/bold] wrote: 'Grand' market? I live in Colchester, shop in town, and I didn't even know it was there!!! What we need is a proper, regular market. And by 'proper', I don't mean one selling fake Adidas and Nike tracksuits. Someone is already doing that in greenstead. (Probably)[/p][/quote]I think people not knowing it was there was a major part of the problem! There already is a market, but it has been spread out all around the town. The market in the High Street worked because that is part of the central zone that a lot of people tend to stick to. There was a small amount of publicity for this market, which I think came with the free paper, but lots of people just throw the enclosed bumf into the bin (recycling, I hope!). The traders who came for this (and they came from hundreds of miles away in some cases) relied on the assurances given them that this would be a big market, but it does show that just a couple of hundred yards can make all the difference. The regular market had the same issue when it was moved into Vineyard St car park: not enough people go there. I thought the idea of a Xmas market was a good one, and it´s a shame that it didn´t work out. Publicity and location are everything in these things. romantic

1:22pm Tue 18 Dec 12

mirokou says...

it looked cheap and uninviting, poor signage ,most children are still at school which hasn't helped . Having spent Christmases in France and Germany perhaps we should look across to our european neighbours to see how to do a Christmas Market correctly. This is by no means a reflection on the stall holders far from it, but just the usual lazy way we present things, the council could have helped with a more festive approach to the market and better signage. The location was abysmal and unwelcoming, the Upper Park would have been far nicer and more appropriate for this time of year
it looked cheap and uninviting, poor signage ,most children are still at school which hasn't helped . Having spent Christmases in France and Germany perhaps we should look across to our european neighbours to see how to do a Christmas Market correctly. This is by no means a reflection on the stall holders far from it, but just the usual lazy way we present things, the council could have helped with a more festive approach to the market and better signage. The location was abysmal and unwelcoming, the Upper Park would have been far nicer and more appropriate for this time of year mirokou

2:07pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Reginald47 says...

Could be a little to do with the fact that on the first two days it was freezing cold with a frost that stayed all day and the second two it was pouring with rain and soaking wet. On the other hand my wife did comment having visited that it had been turned from a dirty, uninviting old bus station into a dirty, uninviting market so I guess mirokou has a point!
Could be a little to do with the fact that on the first two days it was freezing cold with a frost that stayed all day and the second two it was pouring with rain and soaking wet. On the other hand my wife did comment having visited that it had been turned from a dirty, uninviting old bus station into a dirty, uninviting market so I guess mirokou has a point! Reginald47

3:05pm Tue 18 Dec 12

wormshero says...

Amazing that someone's managed to rope Firstsite into the argument. Nice work, must have taken a lot of effort.

Main problem with this was lack of advertising, I think. I actually walked past it the other day and, while I was curious, I actually thought it was a fairground, so carried on past.
Amazing that someone's managed to rope Firstsite into the argument. Nice work, must have taken a lot of effort. Main problem with this was lack of advertising, I think. I actually walked past it the other day and, while I was curious, I actually thought it was a fairground, so carried on past. wormshero

3:33pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Douglas Park says...

We also got a leaflet through our door a few weeks beforehand, but there wasn't much in town or on Queen St to alert you to the existence of the Market although the signs for the fun-fair and free parking were still up.

I didn't get up to the Xmas market on the High St on the Sunday, but when I visited the so-called Grand Market at the weekend I was deeply disappointed. It was anything but Grand and there was nothing of the advertised Christmas stalls. The cheese stall was excellent as was the butcher, but a lot of the other stalls were selling a lot of over-priced tut you could get cheaper in local shops.

I had the idea that it would have been a showcase for artisan and local traders, but there was little to suggest that and I feel sorry for any trader who has lost money on this venture, although I doubt the organisers have.

The towns been very bus of late and the market traders in town seem to be doing a lot of business, so maybe it was a case of location, location, location.
We also got a leaflet through our door a few weeks beforehand, but there wasn't much in town or on Queen St to alert you to the existence of the Market although the signs for the fun-fair and free parking were still up. I didn't get up to the Xmas market on the High St on the Sunday, but when I visited the so-called Grand Market at the weekend I was deeply disappointed. It was anything but Grand and there was nothing of the advertised Christmas stalls. The cheese stall was excellent as was the butcher, but a lot of the other stalls were selling a lot of over-priced tut you could get cheaper in local shops. I had the idea that it would have been a showcase for artisan and local traders, but there was little to suggest that and I feel sorry for any trader who has lost money on this venture, although I doubt the organisers have. The towns been very bus of late and the market traders in town seem to be doing a lot of business, so maybe it was a case of location, location, location. Douglas Park

4:03pm Tue 18 Dec 12

lawfordhomeowner says...

I visited the "Grand Christmas Market" on Sunday. Not quite sure where the "Grand " part came in but there were some lovely stalls there. Such a shame it hasn't been successful. I have to say there was a lack of advertising and I don't think it helped that it wasn't opening until 11am! Mums who have dropped kids at school/playgroup have finished shopping by then and gone home. It would have helped if the stalls were actually ready to start selling their goods at 11am too.
I visited the "Grand Christmas Market" on Sunday. Not quite sure where the "Grand " part came in but there were some lovely stalls there. Such a shame it hasn't been successful. I have to say there was a lack of advertising and I don't think it helped that it wasn't opening until 11am! Mums who have dropped kids at school/playgroup have finished shopping by then and gone home. It would have helped if the stalls were actually ready to start selling their goods at 11am too. lawfordhomeowner

4:07pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Mr Honest says...

The organisers Snake in the Grass are the only ones to blame. They organised the market so responsibility falls to them. They are renowned for charging high rents at their events to traders so if traders dont get custom they will be upset but I have to say this is the first failure by them I can remember. The Food and Drink festival in the Summer is fantastic.I also liked the Christmas High Street Market apart from too many food and jewellery stalls. Im sure they will put there hands up and say they got it wrong but if they dont try they will never know. With regards to signage advertising the event, they are probably bound by legislation from CBC regarding Fly Posting.
The organisers Snake in the Grass are the only ones to blame. They organised the market so responsibility falls to them. They are renowned for charging high rents at their events to traders so if traders dont get custom they will be upset but I have to say this is the first failure by them I can remember. The Food and Drink festival in the Summer is fantastic.I also liked the Christmas High Street Market apart from too many food and jewellery stalls. Im sure they will put there hands up and say they got it wrong but if they dont try they will never know. With regards to signage advertising the event, they are probably bound by legislation from CBC regarding Fly Posting. Mr Honest

6:26pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Im_Like_HELLO says...

If the Big Boys want to charge Big Boys prices then they are limiting themselves to towns which can pay Big Boys prices. Like many other towns in the current economic climate, Colchester isn't one of them. I shall not have any sympathy for Snake in the Grass if I hear they have gone bust.
If the Big Boys want to charge Big Boys prices then they are limiting themselves to towns which can pay Big Boys prices. Like many other towns in the current economic climate, Colchester isn't one of them. I shall not have any sympathy for Snake in the Grass if I hear they have gone bust. Im_Like_HELLO

8:07pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Barside1 says...

At £8.50 per metre per day in the marquee and £6.50 outside plus electricty costs - that's before transportation and wages this event was never going to make a profit for traders.

We walked through on Sunday and I'm not sure if it was open or closed, the traders outnumbered the public.

Something else if I may.

In the Gazette today there is an article of page 14 that relates to a fight between mods and rockers at the Weeley Pop Festival in 1982.

Two things here.

There were no mods and rockers around in 1982, both species were well and truly extinct.

And secondly, The Weeley Pop Festival
took place in 1971, and the fight was actually between the security and Hell's Angels, I can verify this as I was within yards of it.

I was caught in the blast of heat when the Angel's bikes were set on fire.

It was a great weekend all round, especially for the couple who found a hidden carrier bag crammed with cash while they had a thrash around in a ditch.

If anyone from Clacton Round Table wonders where all the money went the ditch is a clue.

Happy Days!
At £8.50 per metre per day in the marquee and £6.50 outside plus electricty costs - that's before transportation and wages this event was never going to make a profit for traders. We walked through on Sunday and I'm not sure if it was open or closed, the traders outnumbered the public. Something else if I may. In the Gazette today there is an article of page 14 that relates to a fight between mods and rockers at the Weeley Pop Festival in 1982. Two things here. There were no mods and rockers around in 1982, both species were well and truly extinct. And secondly, The Weeley Pop Festival took place in 1971, and the fight was actually between the security and Hell's Angels, I can verify this as I was within yards of it. I was caught in the blast of heat when the Angel's bikes were set on fire. It was a great weekend all round, especially for the couple who found a hidden carrier bag crammed with cash while they had a thrash around in a ditch. If anyone from Clacton Round Table wonders where all the money went the ditch is a clue. Happy Days! Barside1

8:08pm Tue 18 Dec 12

turnstone says...

my wife visited colchester and the Christmas market recently and says it was tucked out of the way with not many customers in sight so given the probable high rents im not surprised it was a flop a market needs to be in a main street or square not tucked away were no one can see it
my wife visited colchester and the Christmas market recently and says it was tucked out of the way with not many customers in sight so given the probable high rents im not surprised it was a flop a market needs to be in a main street or square not tucked away were no one can see it turnstone

8:54pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Taj says...

mirokou wrote:
it looked cheap and uninviting, poor signage ,most children are still at school which hasn't helped . Having spent Christmases in France and Germany perhaps we should look across to our european neighbours to see how to do a Christmas Market correctly. This is by no means a reflection on the stall holders far from it, but just the usual lazy way we present things, the council could have helped with a more festive approach to the market and better signage. The location was abysmal and unwelcoming, the Upper Park would have been far nicer and more appropriate for this time of year
Poorly advertised opening at 11.00 by
which time all the car parks were full and most early bird shoppers had already done their shopping and headed home.
As quoted the site was abysmal, such a shame that it was not held somewhere more central and not in the depressingly empty run down ex bus park.
[quote][p][bold]mirokou[/bold] wrote: it looked cheap and uninviting, poor signage ,most children are still at school which hasn't helped . Having spent Christmases in France and Germany perhaps we should look across to our european neighbours to see how to do a Christmas Market correctly. This is by no means a reflection on the stall holders far from it, but just the usual lazy way we present things, the council could have helped with a more festive approach to the market and better signage. The location was abysmal and unwelcoming, the Upper Park would have been far nicer and more appropriate for this time of year[/p][/quote]Poorly advertised opening at 11.00 by which time all the car parks were full and most early bird shoppers had already done their shopping and headed home. As quoted the site was abysmal, such a shame that it was not held somewhere more central and not in the depressingly empty run down ex bus park. Taj

9:44pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Barside1 says...

There is massive potential with the former bus park site for events, the problem is that most local organisations still think in terms of Abba tribute bands.

One of the most innovative uses of space I have seen anywhere in the entire country was in The Old Tram Sheds in Magdalen Street, Colchester a couple of years ago when The Mercury ( Gari Jones, Director ) put on the production 'DEPOT'.

It's not the town and it's spaces that are the problem, it's the lack of visionary projects that could excite the public.

And **** knows how some campaigners wish to make Colchester a city when we
are failing to make much impact as a town.

I am in no doubt that exciting events could happen here, even under Vinoly's roofspace - what we need are the people to do it.

The so called 'Cultural Quarter' has had millions of pounds pumped into it already but has failed to deliver.

The area would be pretty much stone dead but for the skateboarders and mountain bikers.

There must be some people around who can shake this place up and deliver!
There is massive potential with the former bus park site for events, the problem is that most local organisations still think in terms of Abba tribute bands. One of the most innovative uses of space I have seen anywhere in the entire country was in The Old Tram Sheds in Magdalen Street, Colchester a couple of years ago when The Mercury ( Gari Jones, Director ) put on the production 'DEPOT'. It's not the town and it's spaces that are the problem, it's the lack of visionary projects that could excite the public. And **** knows how some campaigners wish to make Colchester a city when we are failing to make much impact as a town. I am in no doubt that exciting events could happen here, even under Vinoly's roofspace - what we need are the people to do it. The so called 'Cultural Quarter' has had millions of pounds pumped into it already but has failed to deliver. The area would be pretty much stone dead but for the skateboarders and mountain bikers. There must be some people around who can shake this place up and deliver! Barside1

10:09pm Tue 18 Dec 12

jim_bo says...

Come on then barside, put your money where your mouth is.

Putting events on in Colchester is very hard work. Everyone expects the earth for nothing, including our beloved Council who are keen to have their money yet do nothing for it but put obstacles in your way.

I'm sorry for Don and Terry's hard work to go down the drain. I suspect they were put up to it by CBC who wanted to use the space for good publicity and to mask the bus station closure.

Traders are a tough bunch to work with and hopefully this hasn't sullied Colchester's reputation and hey will be back for the successful fayre and high st festive market.
Come on then barside, put your money where your mouth is. Putting events on in Colchester is very hard work. Everyone expects the earth for nothing, including our beloved Council who are keen to have their money yet do nothing for it but put obstacles in your way. I'm sorry for Don and Terry's hard work to go down the drain. I suspect they were put up to it by CBC who wanted to use the space for good publicity and to mask the bus station closure. Traders are a tough bunch to work with and hopefully this hasn't sullied Colchester's reputation and hey will be back for the successful fayre and high st festive market. jim_bo

11:10pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Barside1 says...

Hello Jimbo

Just for the record, I have put £250,000 of my own money into film projects and television production over the last 10 years, and I could prove it too.

For instance, £54,000 on 138 minute DVD production of 'Made in Colchester', £36,000 into documentaries on Channel 4, that's 90K for starters - as yet I've not come across anyone else in town who has made this kind of financial commitment.

Going back a bit further in time I put many thousands into Colchester United - not loans, straight cash.

I do feel as though I've done my bit thanks.

How about yourself?
Hello Jimbo Just for the record, I have put £250,000 of my own money into film projects and television production over the last 10 years, and I could prove it too. For instance, £54,000 on 138 minute DVD production of 'Made in Colchester', £36,000 into documentaries on Channel 4, that's 90K for starters - as yet I've not come across anyone else in town who has made this kind of financial commitment. Going back a bit further in time I put many thousands into Colchester United - not loans, straight cash. I do feel as though I've done my bit thanks. How about yourself? Barside1

9:05am Wed 19 Dec 12

TheCaptain says...

Depot was excellent and great use of space.

Have you noticed the market is still being advertised on this site???
Depot was excellent and great use of space. Have you noticed the market is still being advertised on this site??? TheCaptain

9:55am Wed 19 Dec 12

Hamiltonandy says...

I remember talking to market traders in Culver Street and they preferred it to the High Street. They reckoned more people went down that street than the High Street. Unfortunately they had to use generators as Colchester Council apparently refused to allow a temporary armoured cable connection to electrical supply at the unused church near the library.
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Perhaps Colchester Council would welcome temporary uses for the derelict site near the VAF. One option would be a transport interface. Buses could use part of the site with passenger access from one side only for safety. Taxis could have a defined zone. There would even be room for cars to drop off travellers and a mobility scooter service.
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If a transport interface proved popular they could put in shops above the vehicles as was done at Liverpool Street train station.
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Just a dream! Unfortunately it is incompatible with the architect designed "culture quarter" where only the art elite are wanted.
I remember talking to market traders in Culver Street and they preferred it to the High Street. They reckoned more people went down that street than the High Street. Unfortunately they had to use generators as Colchester Council apparently refused to allow a temporary armoured cable connection to electrical supply at the unused church near the library. . Perhaps Colchester Council would welcome temporary uses for the derelict site near the VAF. One option would be a transport interface. Buses could use part of the site with passenger access from one side only for safety. Taxis could have a defined zone. There would even be room for cars to drop off travellers and a mobility scooter service. . If a transport interface proved popular they could put in shops above the vehicles as was done at Liverpool Street train station. . Just a dream! Unfortunately it is incompatible with the architect designed "culture quarter" where only the art elite are wanted. Hamiltonandy

2:32pm Wed 19 Dec 12

Red Tape 2 says...

If anyone here has been to the indoor market at Barcelona they will recognise the potential if things are done right. It is amazing yet housed in an old warehouse type building. What makes it is the atmosphere inside.

On a side note - does anyone know if the Christmas Fun Fair has been cancelled too?
If anyone here has been to the indoor market at Barcelona they will recognise the potential if things are done right. It is amazing yet housed in an old warehouse type building. What makes it is the atmosphere inside. On a side note - does anyone know if the Christmas Fun Fair has been cancelled too? Red Tape 2

9:59am Thu 20 Dec 12

Valid comment says...

There is no Christmas market in Colchester and there has never been one. Lincoln has one, and locally Bury St Edmunds has one. Colchester does not. It merely has regular stalls with a few lights put up (but not always) and overpriced rubbish on sale.
The regular market in Colchester has always been a joke, (and if you think otherwise...please just go to almost ANY other town and see what a market should really be like) and the Christmas market is no exception.

Comments have been made about the weather putting people off....rubbish. I was at Lincoln Christmas market and it rained all day and night, but it was packed with happy shoppers. I was at Bury St Edmunds Christmas market where it was freezing cold and snowed all day, but that also was packed. Why? Because they had a proper market!

When will our traders learn that they cannot just put up some Holly or mistletoe and expect to convince us they are part of a Christmas market?

Positioning and weather have nothing to do with the viability of a Xmas market...it's all down to regulating the type of stalls so that they are appropriate for Christmas, decent marketing and reduce the overpriced parking charges.

Not something the Colchester Council could ever get right!
There is no Christmas market in Colchester and there has never been one. Lincoln has one, and locally Bury St Edmunds has one. Colchester does not. It merely has regular stalls with a few lights put up (but not always) and overpriced rubbish on sale. The regular market in Colchester has always been a joke, (and if you think otherwise...please just go to almost ANY other town and see what a market should really be like) and the Christmas market is no exception. Comments have been made about the weather putting people off....rubbish. I was at Lincoln Christmas market and it rained all day and night, but it was packed with happy shoppers. I was at Bury St Edmunds Christmas market where it was freezing cold and snowed all day, but that also was packed. Why? Because they had a proper market! When will our traders learn that they cannot just put up some Holly or mistletoe and expect to convince us they are part of a Christmas market? Positioning and weather have nothing to do with the viability of a Xmas market...it's all down to regulating the type of stalls so that they are appropriate for Christmas, decent marketing and reduce the overpriced parking charges. Not something the Colchester Council could ever get right! Valid comment

11:05pm Thu 20 Dec 12

jut1972 says...

I think the mistake was having it on every day. The one off in the high street was heaving but who is going to go back more than once?
By having it on every day you just dilute the footfall. Every saturday leading up to xmas would have made more sense and been less of a financial commitment for the traders.
I think the mistake was having it on every day. The one off in the high street was heaving but who is going to go back more than once? By having it on every day you just dilute the footfall. Every saturday leading up to xmas would have made more sense and been less of a financial commitment for the traders. jut1972

12:26am Fri 21 Dec 12

Boris says...

jut1972 wrote:
I think the mistake was having it on every day. The one off in the high street was heaving but who is going to go back more than once?
By having it on every day you just dilute the footfall. Every saturday leading up to xmas would have made more sense and been less of a financial commitment for the traders.
Absolutely right. Such markets are not for every day. I'm surprised Don and Terry didn't work that out for themselves before over-reaching themselves. Occasional one-day events are ideal, except for people selling ordinary stuff like parsnips and tomatoes.
[quote][p][bold]jut1972[/bold] wrote: I think the mistake was having it on every day. The one off in the high street was heaving but who is going to go back more than once? By having it on every day you just dilute the footfall. Every saturday leading up to xmas would have made more sense and been less of a financial commitment for the traders.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right. Such markets are not for every day. I'm surprised Don and Terry didn't work that out for themselves before over-reaching themselves. Occasional one-day events are ideal, except for people selling ordinary stuff like parsnips and tomatoes. Boris

12:29am Fri 21 Dec 12

Boris says...

Hamiltonandy wrote:
I remember talking to market traders in Culver Street and they preferred it to the High Street. They reckoned more people went down that street than the High Street. Unfortunately they had to use generators as Colchester Council apparently refused to allow a temporary armoured cable connection to electrical supply at the unused church near the library.
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Perhaps Colchester Council would welcome temporary uses for the derelict site near the VAF. One option would be a transport interface. Buses could use part of the site with passenger access from one side only for safety. Taxis could have a defined zone. There would even be room for cars to drop off travellers and a mobility scooter service.
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If a transport interface proved popular they could put in shops above the vehicles as was done at Liverpool Street train station.
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Just a dream! Unfortunately it is incompatible with the architect designed "culture quarter" where only the art elite are wanted.
Andy, there is hope. It is widely rumoured that CBC is keeping the bus station in reserve as its plan B in case the Osborne Street abortion does not work.
[quote][p][bold]Hamiltonandy[/bold] wrote: I remember talking to market traders in Culver Street and they preferred it to the High Street. They reckoned more people went down that street than the High Street. Unfortunately they had to use generators as Colchester Council apparently refused to allow a temporary armoured cable connection to electrical supply at the unused church near the library. . Perhaps Colchester Council would welcome temporary uses for the derelict site near the VAF. One option would be a transport interface. Buses could use part of the site with passenger access from one side only for safety. Taxis could have a defined zone. There would even be room for cars to drop off travellers and a mobility scooter service. . If a transport interface proved popular they could put in shops above the vehicles as was done at Liverpool Street train station. . Just a dream! Unfortunately it is incompatible with the architect designed "culture quarter" where only the art elite are wanted.[/p][/quote]Andy, there is hope. It is widely rumoured that CBC is keeping the bus station in reserve as its plan B in case the Osborne Street abortion does not work. Boris

9:43am Fri 21 Dec 12

romantic says...

jut1972 wrote:
I think the mistake was having it on every day. The one off in the high street was heaving but who is going to go back more than once?
By having it on every day you just dilute the footfall. Every saturday leading up to xmas would have made more sense and been less of a financial commitment for the traders.
Fully agree. The Xmas market in the High Street worked to some extent because it is a one-off each year. I´m sure Don and Terry will learn from this. Mistakes happen, it´s not the end of the world.

There are some great Xmas markets around Europe, but they have all developed over many years. It takes some setbacks to learn what works and what doesn´t.
[quote][p][bold]jut1972[/bold] wrote: I think the mistake was having it on every day. The one off in the high street was heaving but who is going to go back more than once? By having it on every day you just dilute the footfall. Every saturday leading up to xmas would have made more sense and been less of a financial commitment for the traders.[/p][/quote]Fully agree. The Xmas market in the High Street worked to some extent because it is a one-off each year. I´m sure Don and Terry will learn from this. Mistakes happen, it´s not the end of the world. There are some great Xmas markets around Europe, but they have all developed over many years. It takes some setbacks to learn what works and what doesn´t. romantic

12:29pm Mon 24 Dec 12

PROOFREADER says...

icecoolmark wrote:
'Grand' market? I live in Colchester, shop in town, and I didn't even know it was there!!! What we need is a proper, regular market. And by 'proper', I don't mean one selling fake Adidas and Nike tracksuits. Someone is already doing that in greenstead. (Probably)
Why pick on Greenstead? We don't have anyone here in Greenstead selling fake goods. Might be happening where you live icecoolmark though!
[quote][p][bold]icecoolmark[/bold] wrote: 'Grand' market? I live in Colchester, shop in town, and I didn't even know it was there!!! What we need is a proper, regular market. And by 'proper', I don't mean one selling fake Adidas and Nike tracksuits. Someone is already doing that in greenstead. (Probably)[/p][/quote]Why pick on Greenstead? We don't have anyone here in Greenstead selling fake goods. Might be happening where you live icecoolmark though! PROOFREADER

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