Police stop and search powers to be restricted

Police stop and search powers to be restricted

Police stop and search powers to be restricted

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NEW controls to reduce the number of people being stopped and searched by police in Essex are being introduced today.

Officers will still be able to stop people, using powers given to them by the Police and Criminal Evidence Act, but their right to do so where they have no evidence of an offence having taken place is being restricted.

Essex Police wants to improve stop to arrest ratios and will publish information so the public can see how often searches lead to further action.

At the moment officers often stop and search people when they believe an offence may have been committed and the people they are stopping match the descriptions of the alleged offenders.

They can also stop people even where there is no suspicion but, under this new scheme, a chief officer has to authorise the powers and in cases where the chief officer anticipates serious violence they must believe the violence will take place rather than just may take place.

Home Secretary Theresa May said:"Nobody wins when stop and search is misused, it can be an enormous waste of police time and damage the relationship between the public and police.

"That is why I am delighted Essex Police will from today reform their use of stop and search powers under the new best use of stop and search scheme.

"It will increase transparency, give us a better understanding of how stop and search is actually being used and help local communities hold the police to account for their use of the powers."

Assistant Chief Constable Julia Wortley, from Essex Police, said: "Stop and search is an invaluable tool for detecting and preventing crime and helping to keep communities safe.

"However it is apparent that we could be doing more to help people in Essex understand how we use stop and search and allow them the opportunity to challenge our approach, if necessary.

"Officers receive detailed training about stop and search legislation and the importance of using these powers only when there is lawful justification.

"These changes should help ensure that Essex Police continues to use stop and search only when necessary and give communities a greater voice in our use of the powers."

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10:08am Tue 26 Aug 14

TheBrotherhoodOfTheBell says...

Assistant Chief Constable Julia Wortley, from Essex Police, said: "Stop and search is an invaluable tool for detecting and preventing crime and helping to keep communities safe. "However it is apparent that we could be doing more to help people in Essex understand how we use stop and search and allow them the opportunity to challenge our approach, if necessary.>>>>>>>>>
QUOTE: An invaluable "TOOL" there are a number of them in the force ?
After the Invaluable tool stop & search has taken place just ask for the Warrant Card Number (Dont bother with collar numbers these days, they swap them about or use someone elses that is even if they are wearing them !) of the Officer to file your complaint to P.S.D. If you feel you have been wronged or your liberty impinged ? Then you will see how they, weedle around this now conflagration of the law and Mrs May's new ideal. They have an excuse for everything all and sundry and as my neighbour says (former Police Officer retired) if their no good at the job to get them out of the way they promote them ! Its a bit like bacteria ? The cr*p rises to the surface in penicillin terms ! Think Fleming ?
Assistant Chief Constable Julia Wortley, from Essex Police, said: "Stop and search is an invaluable tool for detecting and preventing crime and helping to keep communities safe. "However it is apparent that we could be doing more to help people in Essex understand how we use stop and search and allow them the opportunity to challenge our approach, if necessary.>>>>>>>>> QUOTE: An invaluable "TOOL" there are a number of them in the force ? After the Invaluable tool stop & search has taken place just ask for the Warrant Card Number (Dont bother with collar numbers these days, they swap them about or use someone elses that is even if they are wearing them !) of the Officer to file your complaint to P.S.D. If you feel you have been wronged or your liberty impinged ? Then you will see how they, weedle around this now conflagration of the law and Mrs May's new ideal. They have an excuse for everything all and sundry and as my neighbour says (former Police Officer retired) if their no good at the job to get them out of the way they promote them ! Its a bit like bacteria ? The cr*p rises to the surface in penicillin terms ! Think Fleming ? TheBrotherhoodOfTheBell
  • Score: -13

10:28am Tue 26 Aug 14

Nebs says...

TheBrotherhoodOfTheB
ell
wrote:
Assistant Chief Constable Julia Wortley, from Essex Police, said: "Stop and search is an invaluable tool for detecting and preventing crime and helping to keep communities safe. "However it is apparent that we could be doing more to help people in Essex understand how we use stop and search and allow them the opportunity to challenge our approach, if necessary.>>&g
t;>>>>&g
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QUOTE: An invaluable "TOOL" there are a number of them in the force ?
After the Invaluable tool stop & search has taken place just ask for the Warrant Card Number (Dont bother with collar numbers these days, they swap them about or use someone elses that is even if they are wearing them !) of the Officer to file your complaint to P.S.D. If you feel you have been wronged or your liberty impinged ? Then you will see how they, weedle around this now conflagration of the law and Mrs May's new ideal. They have an excuse for everything all and sundry and as my neighbour says (former Police Officer retired) if their no good at the job to get them out of the way they promote them ! Its a bit like bacteria ? The cr*p rises to the surface in penicillin terms ! Think Fleming ?
I feel my liberty is impinged when I can't walk down certain streets or in certain areas because of the drunks and druggies.
[quote][p][bold]TheBrotherhoodOfTheB ell[/bold] wrote: Assistant Chief Constable Julia Wortley, from Essex Police, said: "Stop and search is an invaluable tool for detecting and preventing crime and helping to keep communities safe. "However it is apparent that we could be doing more to help people in Essex understand how we use stop and search and allow them the opportunity to challenge our approach, if necessary.>>&g t;>>>>&g t;> QUOTE: An invaluable "TOOL" there are a number of them in the force ? After the Invaluable tool stop & search has taken place just ask for the Warrant Card Number (Dont bother with collar numbers these days, they swap them about or use someone elses that is even if they are wearing them !) of the Officer to file your complaint to P.S.D. If you feel you have been wronged or your liberty impinged ? Then you will see how they, weedle around this now conflagration of the law and Mrs May's new ideal. They have an excuse for everything all and sundry and as my neighbour says (former Police Officer retired) if their no good at the job to get them out of the way they promote them ! Its a bit like bacteria ? The cr*p rises to the surface in penicillin terms ! Think Fleming ?[/p][/quote]I feel my liberty is impinged when I can't walk down certain streets or in certain areas because of the drunks and druggies. Nebs
  • Score: 20

10:38am Tue 26 Aug 14

totallyfootball says...

Restricted, what's less than zero then? I have never seen anyone stopped and searched and I have seen some dodgy characters in this town? You have to have police officers on the beat to initiate this and most are ether in the canteen getting too large to do the fitness test or at the doctors surgery getting signed off.....FACT.
Restricted, what's less than zero then? I have never seen anyone stopped and searched and I have seen some dodgy characters in this town? You have to have police officers on the beat to initiate this and most are ether in the canteen getting too large to do the fitness test or at the doctors surgery getting signed off.....FACT. totallyfootball
  • Score: -4

11:50am Tue 26 Aug 14

andyman1971 says...

TheBrotherhoodOfTheB
ell
wrote:
Assistant Chief Constable Julia Wortley, from Essex Police, said: "Stop and search is an invaluable tool for detecting and preventing crime and helping to keep communities safe. "However it is apparent that we could be doing more to help people in Essex understand how we use stop and search and allow them the opportunity to challenge our approach, if necessary.>>&g
t;>>>>&g
t;>
QUOTE: An invaluable "TOOL" there are a number of them in the force ?
After the Invaluable tool stop & search has taken place just ask for the Warrant Card Number (Dont bother with collar numbers these days, they swap them about or use someone elses that is even if they are wearing them !) of the Officer to file your complaint to P.S.D. If you feel you have been wronged or your liberty impinged ? Then you will see how they, weedle around this now conflagration of the law and Mrs May's new ideal. They have an excuse for everything all and sundry and as my neighbour says (former Police Officer retired) if their no good at the job to get them out of the way they promote them ! Its a bit like bacteria ? The cr*p rises to the surface in penicillin terms ! Think Fleming ?
I hope you become a victim of burglary and the burglar gets away because police don't have the powers to stop and search or even stop and question. The only people who complain are the criminals. I have been stopped.. didn't give attitude back and was treated well. I was in a burglary hot spot looking to collect a item I purchased off eBay. The police officer explained why I was stopped and took my details. They was right to do that as I could of been a burglar. Get a life and job and perhaps you may then appreciate what the police do.
[quote][p][bold]TheBrotherhoodOfTheB ell[/bold] wrote: Assistant Chief Constable Julia Wortley, from Essex Police, said: "Stop and search is an invaluable tool for detecting and preventing crime and helping to keep communities safe. "However it is apparent that we could be doing more to help people in Essex understand how we use stop and search and allow them the opportunity to challenge our approach, if necessary.>>&g t;>>>>&g t;> QUOTE: An invaluable "TOOL" there are a number of them in the force ? After the Invaluable tool stop & search has taken place just ask for the Warrant Card Number (Dont bother with collar numbers these days, they swap them about or use someone elses that is even if they are wearing them !) of the Officer to file your complaint to P.S.D. If you feel you have been wronged or your liberty impinged ? Then you will see how they, weedle around this now conflagration of the law and Mrs May's new ideal. They have an excuse for everything all and sundry and as my neighbour says (former Police Officer retired) if their no good at the job to get them out of the way they promote them ! Its a bit like bacteria ? The cr*p rises to the surface in penicillin terms ! Think Fleming ?[/p][/quote]I hope you become a victim of burglary and the burglar gets away because police don't have the powers to stop and search or even stop and question. The only people who complain are the criminals. I have been stopped.. didn't give attitude back and was treated well. I was in a burglary hot spot looking to collect a item I purchased off eBay. The police officer explained why I was stopped and took my details. They was right to do that as I could of been a burglar. Get a life and job and perhaps you may then appreciate what the police do. andyman1971
  • Score: 22

11:52am Tue 26 Aug 14

pembury53 says...

I'm all for corrupt policing, as long as it's targetted correctly..... this area is falling apart and descending into an orgy of crime, robberies, muggings, knives, violent assaults et al........ 'powder puff' law enforcement is useless in the face of such an epidemic, and let's face it, most of us can pick out a wrong 'un with consumate ease, as can the police, so lets get after them, no respite, stop, search, harass at every opportunity, do whatever it takes to convict, or drive out.....
I'm all for corrupt policing, as long as it's targetted correctly..... this area is falling apart and descending into an orgy of crime, robberies, muggings, knives, violent assaults et al........ 'powder puff' law enforcement is useless in the face of such an epidemic, and let's face it, most of us can pick out a wrong 'un with consumate ease, as can the police, so lets get after them, no respite, stop, search, harass at every opportunity, do whatever it takes to convict, or drive out..... pembury53
  • Score: 12

12:38pm Tue 26 Aug 14

ROBOTS' REBELLION says...

Stop and search powers should be about balancing liberty/free society against the amount of crime in our country. Unfortunately a certain ethnic minority has exagerrated the racism claim and though they have got their way today it will come back to haunt them.
Stop and search powers should be about balancing liberty/free society against the amount of crime in our country. Unfortunately a certain ethnic minority has exagerrated the racism claim and though they have got their way today it will come back to haunt them. ROBOTS' REBELLION
  • Score: 10

12:40pm Tue 26 Aug 14

andyman1971 says...

pembury53 wrote:
I'm all for corrupt policing, as long as it's targetted correctly..... this area is falling apart and descending into an orgy of crime, robberies, muggings, knives, violent assaults et al........ 'powder puff' law enforcement is useless in the face of such an epidemic, and let's face it, most of us can pick out a wrong 'un with consumate ease, as can the police, so lets get after them, no respite, stop, search, harass at every opportunity, do whatever it takes to convict, or drive out.....
Really well said.. The decent amongst us don't have a problem with stop and search... We have nothing to hide.. Further more the police can have my fingerprints and DNA I have nothing to hide.
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: I'm all for corrupt policing, as long as it's targetted correctly..... this area is falling apart and descending into an orgy of crime, robberies, muggings, knives, violent assaults et al........ 'powder puff' law enforcement is useless in the face of such an epidemic, and let's face it, most of us can pick out a wrong 'un with consumate ease, as can the police, so lets get after them, no respite, stop, search, harass at every opportunity, do whatever it takes to convict, or drive out.....[/p][/quote]Really well said.. The decent amongst us don't have a problem with stop and search... We have nothing to hide.. Further more the police can have my fingerprints and DNA I have nothing to hide. andyman1971
  • Score: 12

3:03pm Tue 26 Aug 14

mirokou says...

TheBrotherhoodOfTheB
ell
wrote:
Assistant Chief Constable Julia Wortley, from Essex Police, said: "Stop and search is an invaluable tool for detecting and preventing crime and helping to keep communities safe. "However it is apparent that we could be doing more to help people in Essex understand how we use stop and search and allow them the opportunity to challenge our approach, if necessary.>>&g
t;>>>>&g
t;>
QUOTE: An invaluable "TOOL" there are a number of them in the force ?
After the Invaluable tool stop & search has taken place just ask for the Warrant Card Number (Dont bother with collar numbers these days, they swap them about or use someone elses that is even if they are wearing them !) of the Officer to file your complaint to P.S.D. If you feel you have been wronged or your liberty impinged ? Then you will see how they, weedle around this now conflagration of the law and Mrs May's new ideal. They have an excuse for everything all and sundry and as my neighbour says (former Police Officer retired) if their no good at the job to get them out of the way they promote them ! Its a bit like bacteria ? The cr*p rises to the surface in penicillin terms ! Think Fleming ?
Clearly of the petty criminal element . Those that degrade the Police are normally those who lead a life of crime. And if you're not ,why so anti? What have you down to be so wronged.
[quote][p][bold]TheBrotherhoodOfTheB ell[/bold] wrote: Assistant Chief Constable Julia Wortley, from Essex Police, said: "Stop and search is an invaluable tool for detecting and preventing crime and helping to keep communities safe. "However it is apparent that we could be doing more to help people in Essex understand how we use stop and search and allow them the opportunity to challenge our approach, if necessary.>>&g t;>>>>&g t;> QUOTE: An invaluable "TOOL" there are a number of them in the force ? After the Invaluable tool stop & search has taken place just ask for the Warrant Card Number (Dont bother with collar numbers these days, they swap them about or use someone elses that is even if they are wearing them !) of the Officer to file your complaint to P.S.D. If you feel you have been wronged or your liberty impinged ? Then you will see how they, weedle around this now conflagration of the law and Mrs May's new ideal. They have an excuse for everything all and sundry and as my neighbour says (former Police Officer retired) if their no good at the job to get them out of the way they promote them ! Its a bit like bacteria ? The cr*p rises to the surface in penicillin terms ! Think Fleming ?[/p][/quote]Clearly of the petty criminal element . Those that degrade the Police are normally those who lead a life of crime. And if you're not ,why so anti? What have you down to be so wronged. mirokou
  • Score: 8

7:40pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Mr Stork says...

Nebs wrote:
TheBrotherhoodOfTheB

ell
wrote:
Assistant Chief Constable Julia Wortley, from Essex Police, said: "Stop and search is an invaluable tool for detecting and preventing crime and helping to keep communities safe. "However it is apparent that we could be doing more to help people in Essex understand how we use stop and search and allow them the opportunity to challenge our approach, if necessary.>>&a
mp;g
t;>>>>&a
mp;g
t;>
QUOTE: An invaluable "TOOL" there are a number of them in the force ?
After the Invaluable tool stop & search has taken place just ask for the Warrant Card Number (Dont bother with collar numbers these days, they swap them about or use someone elses that is even if they are wearing them !) of the Officer to file your complaint to P.S.D. If you feel you have been wronged or your liberty impinged ? Then you will see how they, weedle around this now conflagration of the law and Mrs May's new ideal. They have an excuse for everything all and sundry and as my neighbour says (former Police Officer retired) if their no good at the job to get them out of the way they promote them ! Its a bit like bacteria ? The cr*p rises to the surface in penicillin terms ! Think Fleming ?
I feel my liberty is impinged when I can't walk down certain streets or in certain areas because of the drunks and druggies.
Exactly! Why don't we just give up and let the scum take over! Sod these leftyy liberal liberty do holders who clsaim it hurts our human rights. I don't miss nd be stopped and searched,you know why BECASUSE I HAVE NOTYHING TO HIDE!!! Oh and you normally find the lefties are the first to cry for the polices when they need them.hypocrites!!
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheBrotherhoodOfTheB ell[/bold] wrote: Assistant Chief Constable Julia Wortley, from Essex Police, said: "Stop and search is an invaluable tool for detecting and preventing crime and helping to keep communities safe. "However it is apparent that we could be doing more to help people in Essex understand how we use stop and search and allow them the opportunity to challenge our approach, if necessary.>>&a mp;g t;>>>>&a mp;g t;> QUOTE: An invaluable "TOOL" there are a number of them in the force ? After the Invaluable tool stop & search has taken place just ask for the Warrant Card Number (Dont bother with collar numbers these days, they swap them about or use someone elses that is even if they are wearing them !) of the Officer to file your complaint to P.S.D. If you feel you have been wronged or your liberty impinged ? Then you will see how they, weedle around this now conflagration of the law and Mrs May's new ideal. They have an excuse for everything all and sundry and as my neighbour says (former Police Officer retired) if their no good at the job to get them out of the way they promote them ! Its a bit like bacteria ? The cr*p rises to the surface in penicillin terms ! Think Fleming ?[/p][/quote]I feel my liberty is impinged when I can't walk down certain streets or in certain areas because of the drunks and druggies.[/p][/quote]Exactly! Why don't we just give up and let the scum take over! Sod these leftyy liberal liberty do holders who clsaim it hurts our human rights. I don't miss nd be stopped and searched,you know why BECASUSE I HAVE NOTYHING TO HIDE!!! Oh and you normally find the lefties are the first to cry for the polices when they need them.hypocrites!! Mr Stork
  • Score: 2

9:30pm Tue 26 Aug 14

ORACUS says...

andyman1971 wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
I'm all for corrupt policing, as long as it's targetted correctly..... this area is falling apart and descending into an orgy of crime, robberies, muggings, knives, violent assaults et al........ 'powder puff' law enforcement is useless in the face of such an epidemic, and let's face it, most of us can pick out a wrong 'un with consumate ease, as can the police, so lets get after them, no respite, stop, search, harass at every opportunity, do whatever it takes to convict, or drive out.....
Really well said.. The decent amongst us don't have a problem with stop and search... We have nothing to hide.. Further more the police can have my fingerprints and DNA I have nothing to hide.
People who claim to have nothing to hide usually do.
[quote][p][bold]andyman1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: I'm all for corrupt policing, as long as it's targetted correctly..... this area is falling apart and descending into an orgy of crime, robberies, muggings, knives, violent assaults et al........ 'powder puff' law enforcement is useless in the face of such an epidemic, and let's face it, most of us can pick out a wrong 'un with consumate ease, as can the police, so lets get after them, no respite, stop, search, harass at every opportunity, do whatever it takes to convict, or drive out.....[/p][/quote]Really well said.. The decent amongst us don't have a problem with stop and search... We have nothing to hide.. Further more the police can have my fingerprints and DNA I have nothing to hide.[/p][/quote]People who claim to have nothing to hide usually do. ORACUS
  • Score: 0

9:35pm Tue 26 Aug 14

ORACUS says...

Mr Stork wrote:
Nebs wrote:
TheBrotherhoodOfTheB


ell
wrote:
Assistant Chief Constable Julia Wortley, from Essex Police, said: "Stop and search is an invaluable tool for detecting and preventing crime and helping to keep communities safe. "However it is apparent that we could be doing more to help people in Essex understand how we use stop and search and allow them the opportunity to challenge our approach, if necessary.>>&a
mp;a
mp;g
t;>>>>&a
mp;a
mp;g
t;>
QUOTE: An invaluable "TOOL" there are a number of them in the force ?
After the Invaluable tool stop & search has taken place just ask for the Warrant Card Number (Dont bother with collar numbers these days, they swap them about or use someone elses that is even if they are wearing them !) of the Officer to file your complaint to P.S.D. If you feel you have been wronged or your liberty impinged ? Then you will see how they, weedle around this now conflagration of the law and Mrs May's new ideal. They have an excuse for everything all and sundry and as my neighbour says (former Police Officer retired) if their no good at the job to get them out of the way they promote them ! Its a bit like bacteria ? The cr*p rises to the surface in penicillin terms ! Think Fleming ?
I feel my liberty is impinged when I can't walk down certain streets or in certain areas because of the drunks and druggies.
Exactly! Why don't we just give up and let the scum take over! Sod these leftyy liberal liberty do holders who clsaim it hurts our human rights. I don't miss nd be stopped and searched,you know why BECASUSE I HAVE NOTYHING TO HIDE!!! Oh and you normally find the lefties are the first to cry for the polices when they need them.hypocrites!!
I’m sorry ww2 didn’t go your way but the simple truth is your Nazi friends lost.
Get over it.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Stork[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheBrotherhoodOfTheB ell[/bold] wrote: Assistant Chief Constable Julia Wortley, from Essex Police, said: "Stop and search is an invaluable tool for detecting and preventing crime and helping to keep communities safe. "However it is apparent that we could be doing more to help people in Essex understand how we use stop and search and allow them the opportunity to challenge our approach, if necessary.>>&a mp;a mp;g t;>>>>&a mp;a mp;g t;> QUOTE: An invaluable "TOOL" there are a number of them in the force ? After the Invaluable tool stop & search has taken place just ask for the Warrant Card Number (Dont bother with collar numbers these days, they swap them about or use someone elses that is even if they are wearing them !) of the Officer to file your complaint to P.S.D. If you feel you have been wronged or your liberty impinged ? Then you will see how they, weedle around this now conflagration of the law and Mrs May's new ideal. They have an excuse for everything all and sundry and as my neighbour says (former Police Officer retired) if their no good at the job to get them out of the way they promote them ! Its a bit like bacteria ? The cr*p rises to the surface in penicillin terms ! Think Fleming ?[/p][/quote]I feel my liberty is impinged when I can't walk down certain streets or in certain areas because of the drunks and druggies.[/p][/quote]Exactly! Why don't we just give up and let the scum take over! Sod these leftyy liberal liberty do holders who clsaim it hurts our human rights. I don't miss nd be stopped and searched,you know why BECASUSE I HAVE NOTYHING TO HIDE!!! Oh and you normally find the lefties are the first to cry for the polices when they need them.hypocrites!![/p][/quote]I’m sorry ww2 didn’t go your way but the simple truth is your Nazi friends lost. Get over it. ORACUS
  • Score: -4

10:29pm Tue 26 Aug 14

TheBrotherhoodOfTheBell says...

Well I notice a number of new gazette handles above that don't appear to be local. I will explain myself a little further. Police that break the rules venture into the grey areas of where crime prevention and protection become divorced via the original action that was taken to act on it in the first place. Comments above such as do whatever it takes to get scum off the street, even advocating breaking the law to enforce a law steps into existentialism territory circa Jean Paul Sarte'. A mate of mine once told me of an incident many years ago in a northern force. An officer of 20 years service, took a vehicle and went to a festive party whilst on duty, they got a little worse for wear, so while on shift they decided to go home and sleep it off. On the way home in their nearby street, they ping ponged the vehicle into a number of stationary parked cars then crashed into a garden wall hitting the side of a building, they got out walked home and got into bed. The next minute there was a knock on the door from colleagues asking where officer Bloggs was ? Upon walking past their respective partner they went up stairs to find the officer asleep in bed in their uniform. Well the subsequent furore took place etc. The Police federation provided suitable legal representation to which the officer was relinquished of all allegations made against them, presumably the Nick Mason style lawyer made mincemeat of the motoring case. The officer then appeared before an internal disciplinary panel, it was made clear in a round about the houses fashion, that if they were going to go down, so was a whole host of other colleagues via 20 years of dirt collection in the force. A short time later the officer was paraded shaking hands with senior officers in the local beat magazine, brandishing his long service and good conduct medal and talking about his retirement looking forward to his second coming career. The case in point is how many of these are there in not only this service but other civil services ? We go on the fight with crime and how to go about it, but when we come up with remarks like that have been brandished above in the comments made after my first post, who is the criminal ? This is not Judge Dread or Robocop and we do not live in a post Orwellian, William F. Nolan and George Clayton Johnson novel ! The only way to fight crime is to do it with dignity and honesty, trying to fight fire, with fire, is like something out of a Sylvester Stallone movie ie The Cobra “Your The Decease I Am The Cure” attitude. Stop & Search was discriminatory and was a bad thing especially towards Ethnic Minorities. It took a sensible government like the Tories to cut out this Nanny state, free for all the Reds gave us. You lot don't like it because the ConDem’s have been kicking government departments into the touches of reality. Look at how many Doctors, Dentists, Teachers and Opticians that have been suspended since January, some have been struck off, and Police Officers too. Crime and injustice is everywhere and not just with the criminals !
Well I notice a number of new gazette handles above that don't appear to be local. I will explain myself a little further. Police that break the rules venture into the grey areas of where crime prevention and protection become divorced via the original action that was taken to act on it in the first place. Comments above such as do whatever it takes to get scum off the street, even advocating breaking the law to enforce a law steps into existentialism territory circa Jean Paul Sarte'. A mate of mine once told me of an incident many years ago in a northern force. An officer of 20 years service, took a vehicle and went to a festive party whilst on duty, they got a little worse for wear, so while on shift they decided to go home and sleep it off. On the way home in their nearby street, they ping ponged the vehicle into a number of stationary parked cars then crashed into a garden wall hitting the side of a building, they got out walked home and got into bed. The next minute there was a knock on the door from colleagues asking where officer Bloggs was ? Upon walking past their respective partner they went up stairs to find the officer asleep in bed in their uniform. Well the subsequent furore took place etc. The Police federation provided suitable legal representation to which the officer was relinquished of all allegations made against them, presumably the Nick Mason style lawyer made mincemeat of the motoring case. The officer then appeared before an internal disciplinary panel, it was made clear in a round about the houses fashion, that if they were going to go down, so was a whole host of other colleagues via 20 years of dirt collection in the force. A short time later the officer was paraded shaking hands with senior officers in the local beat magazine, brandishing his long service and good conduct medal and talking about his retirement looking forward to his second coming career. The case in point is how many of these are there in not only this service but other civil services ? We go on the fight with crime and how to go about it, but when we come up with remarks like that have been brandished above in the comments made after my first post, who is the criminal ? This is not Judge Dread or Robocop and we do not live in a post Orwellian, William F. Nolan and George Clayton Johnson novel ! The only way to fight crime is to do it with dignity and honesty, trying to fight fire, with fire, is like something out of a Sylvester Stallone movie ie The Cobra “Your The Decease I Am The Cure” attitude. Stop & Search was discriminatory and was a bad thing especially towards Ethnic Minorities. It took a sensible government like the Tories to cut out this Nanny state, free for all the Reds gave us. You lot don't like it because the ConDem’s have been kicking government departments into the touches of reality. Look at how many Doctors, Dentists, Teachers and Opticians that have been suspended since January, some have been struck off, and Police Officers too. Crime and injustice is everywhere and not just with the criminals ! TheBrotherhoodOfTheBell
  • Score: 6

12:18am Wed 27 Aug 14

andyman1971 says...

ORACUS wrote:
Mr Stork wrote:
Nebs wrote:
TheBrotherhoodOfTheB



ell
wrote:
Assistant Chief Constable Julia Wortley, from Essex Police, said: "Stop and search is an invaluable tool for detecting and preventing crime and helping to keep communities safe. "However it is apparent that we could be doing more to help people in Essex understand how we use stop and search and allow them the opportunity to challenge our approach, if necessary.>>&a
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QUOTE: An invaluable "TOOL" there are a number of them in the force ?
After the Invaluable tool stop & search has taken place just ask for the Warrant Card Number (Dont bother with collar numbers these days, they swap them about or use someone elses that is even if they are wearing them !) of the Officer to file your complaint to P.S.D. If you feel you have been wronged or your liberty impinged ? Then you will see how they, weedle around this now conflagration of the law and Mrs May's new ideal. They have an excuse for everything all and sundry and as my neighbour says (former Police Officer retired) if their no good at the job to get them out of the way they promote them ! Its a bit like bacteria ? The cr*p rises to the surface in penicillin terms ! Think Fleming ?
I feel my liberty is impinged when I can't walk down certain streets or in certain areas because of the drunks and druggies.
Exactly! Why don't we just give up and let the scum take over! Sod these leftyy liberal liberty do holders who clsaim it hurts our human rights. I don't miss nd be stopped and searched,you know why BECASUSE I HAVE NOTYHING TO HIDE!!! Oh and you normally find the lefties are the first to cry for the polices when they need them.hypocrites!!
I’m sorry ww2 didn’t go your way but the simple truth is your Nazi friends lost.
Get over it.
And your clearly some deranged "ClOCK" get a life you idiot
[quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Stork[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheBrotherhoodOfTheB ell[/bold] wrote: Assistant Chief Constable Julia Wortley, from Essex Police, said: "Stop and search is an invaluable tool for detecting and preventing crime and helping to keep communities safe. "However it is apparent that we could be doing more to help people in Essex understand how we use stop and search and allow them the opportunity to challenge our approach, if necessary.>>&a mp;a mp;a mp;g t;>>>>&a mp;a mp;a mp;g t;> QUOTE: An invaluable "TOOL" there are a number of them in the force ? After the Invaluable tool stop & search has taken place just ask for the Warrant Card Number (Dont bother with collar numbers these days, they swap them about or use someone elses that is even if they are wearing them !) of the Officer to file your complaint to P.S.D. If you feel you have been wronged or your liberty impinged ? Then you will see how they, weedle around this now conflagration of the law and Mrs May's new ideal. They have an excuse for everything all and sundry and as my neighbour says (former Police Officer retired) if their no good at the job to get them out of the way they promote them ! Its a bit like bacteria ? The cr*p rises to the surface in penicillin terms ! Think Fleming ?[/p][/quote]I feel my liberty is impinged when I can't walk down certain streets or in certain areas because of the drunks and druggies.[/p][/quote]Exactly! Why don't we just give up and let the scum take over! Sod these leftyy liberal liberty do holders who clsaim it hurts our human rights. I don't miss nd be stopped and searched,you know why BECASUSE I HAVE NOTYHING TO HIDE!!! Oh and you normally find the lefties are the first to cry for the polices when they need them.hypocrites!![/p][/quote]I’m sorry ww2 didn’t go your way but the simple truth is your Nazi friends lost. Get over it.[/p][/quote]And your clearly some deranged "ClOCK" get a life you idiot andyman1971
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12:30am Wed 27 Aug 14

andyman1971 says...

TheBrotherhoodOfTheB
ell
wrote:
Well I notice a number of new gazette handles above that don't appear to be local. I will explain myself a little further. Police that break the rules venture into the grey areas of where crime prevention and protection become divorced via the original action that was taken to act on it in the first place. Comments above such as do whatever it takes to get scum off the street, even advocating breaking the law to enforce a law steps into existentialism territory circa Jean Paul Sarte'. A mate of mine once told me of an incident many years ago in a northern force. An officer of 20 years service, took a vehicle and went to a festive party whilst on duty, they got a little worse for wear, so while on shift they decided to go home and sleep it off. On the way home in their nearby street, they ping ponged the vehicle into a number of stationary parked cars then crashed into a garden wall hitting the side of a building, they got out walked home and got into bed. The next minute there was a knock on the door from colleagues asking where officer Bloggs was ? Upon walking past their respective partner they went up stairs to find the officer asleep in bed in their uniform. Well the subsequent furore took place etc. The Police federation provided suitable legal representation to which the officer was relinquished of all allegations made against them, presumably the Nick Mason style lawyer made mincemeat of the motoring case. The officer then appeared before an internal disciplinary panel, it was made clear in a round about the houses fashion, that if they were going to go down, so was a whole host of other colleagues via 20 years of dirt collection in the force. A short time later the officer was paraded shaking hands with senior officers in the local beat magazine, brandishing his long service and good conduct medal and talking about his retirement looking forward to his second coming career. The case in point is how many of these are there in not only this service but other civil services ? We go on the fight with crime and how to go about it, but when we come up with remarks like that have been brandished above in the comments made after my first post, who is the criminal ? This is not Judge Dread or Robocop and we do not live in a post Orwellian, William F. Nolan and George Clayton Johnson novel ! The only way to fight crime is to do it with dignity and honesty, trying to fight fire, with fire, is like something out of a Sylvester Stallone movie ie The Cobra “Your The Decease I Am The Cure” attitude. Stop & Search was discriminatory and was a bad thing especially towards Ethnic Minorities. It took a sensible government like the Tories to cut out this Nanny state, free for all the Reds gave us. You lot don't like it because the ConDem’s have been kicking government departments into the touches of reality. Look at how many Doctors, Dentists, Teachers and Opticians that have been suspended since January, some have been struck off, and Police Officers too. Crime and injustice is everywhere and not just with the criminals !
Your still missing the point.. and tarring all police officers with the same brush is wrong. I don't want a police state but I also don't want a lawless state. 99.9 % of police work hard and do a great job with little or no thanks.
It could be said about anything in life. I did a number of years in the army, there was good and bad in that but all said and done our forces do a great job protecting is.
We forget about terrorists and without the security forces and police many people would be at risk. Look at what is going on in the rest of the world, carnage everywhere, this is a decent safe country which we owe to the government's, whatever party, and the people who serve us. Like I said the only people who seem to complain are the people who have something to hide. I am actually sick and tired when people go on about the fact that police are only targeting people because of the colour of there skin. Total rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]TheBrotherhoodOfTheB ell[/bold] wrote: Well I notice a number of new gazette handles above that don't appear to be local. I will explain myself a little further. Police that break the rules venture into the grey areas of where crime prevention and protection become divorced via the original action that was taken to act on it in the first place. Comments above such as do whatever it takes to get scum off the street, even advocating breaking the law to enforce a law steps into existentialism territory circa Jean Paul Sarte'. A mate of mine once told me of an incident many years ago in a northern force. An officer of 20 years service, took a vehicle and went to a festive party whilst on duty, they got a little worse for wear, so while on shift they decided to go home and sleep it off. On the way home in their nearby street, they ping ponged the vehicle into a number of stationary parked cars then crashed into a garden wall hitting the side of a building, they got out walked home and got into bed. The next minute there was a knock on the door from colleagues asking where officer Bloggs was ? Upon walking past their respective partner they went up stairs to find the officer asleep in bed in their uniform. Well the subsequent furore took place etc. The Police federation provided suitable legal representation to which the officer was relinquished of all allegations made against them, presumably the Nick Mason style lawyer made mincemeat of the motoring case. The officer then appeared before an internal disciplinary panel, it was made clear in a round about the houses fashion, that if they were going to go down, so was a whole host of other colleagues via 20 years of dirt collection in the force. A short time later the officer was paraded shaking hands with senior officers in the local beat magazine, brandishing his long service and good conduct medal and talking about his retirement looking forward to his second coming career. The case in point is how many of these are there in not only this service but other civil services ? We go on the fight with crime and how to go about it, but when we come up with remarks like that have been brandished above in the comments made after my first post, who is the criminal ? This is not Judge Dread or Robocop and we do not live in a post Orwellian, William F. Nolan and George Clayton Johnson novel ! The only way to fight crime is to do it with dignity and honesty, trying to fight fire, with fire, is like something out of a Sylvester Stallone movie ie The Cobra “Your The Decease I Am The Cure” attitude. Stop & Search was discriminatory and was a bad thing especially towards Ethnic Minorities. It took a sensible government like the Tories to cut out this Nanny state, free for all the Reds gave us. You lot don't like it because the ConDem’s have been kicking government departments into the touches of reality. Look at how many Doctors, Dentists, Teachers and Opticians that have been suspended since January, some have been struck off, and Police Officers too. Crime and injustice is everywhere and not just with the criminals ![/p][/quote]Your still missing the point.. and tarring all police officers with the same brush is wrong. I don't want a police state but I also don't want a lawless state. 99.9 % of police work hard and do a great job with little or no thanks. It could be said about anything in life. I did a number of years in the army, there was good and bad in that but all said and done our forces do a great job protecting is. We forget about terrorists and without the security forces and police many people would be at risk. Look at what is going on in the rest of the world, carnage everywhere, this is a decent safe country which we owe to the government's, whatever party, and the people who serve us. Like I said the only people who seem to complain are the people who have something to hide. I am actually sick and tired when people go on about the fact that police are only targeting people because of the colour of there skin. Total rubbish. andyman1971
  • Score: 1

1:21am Wed 27 Aug 14

ORACUS says...

andyman1971 wrote:
TheBrotherhoodOfTheB

ell
wrote:
Well I notice a number of new gazette handles above that don't appear to be local. I will explain myself a little further. Police that break the rules venture into the grey areas of where crime prevention and protection become divorced via the original action that was taken to act on it in the first place. Comments above such as do whatever it takes to get scum off the street, even advocating breaking the law to enforce a law steps into existentialism territory circa Jean Paul Sarte'. A mate of mine once told me of an incident many years ago in a northern force. An officer of 20 years service, took a vehicle and went to a festive party whilst on duty, they got a little worse for wear, so while on shift they decided to go home and sleep it off. On the way home in their nearby street, they ping ponged the vehicle into a number of stationary parked cars then crashed into a garden wall hitting the side of a building, they got out walked home and got into bed. The next minute there was a knock on the door from colleagues asking where officer Bloggs was ? Upon walking past their respective partner they went up stairs to find the officer asleep in bed in their uniform. Well the subsequent furore took place etc. The Police federation provided suitable legal representation to which the officer was relinquished of all allegations made against them, presumably the Nick Mason style lawyer made mincemeat of the motoring case. The officer then appeared before an internal disciplinary panel, it was made clear in a round about the houses fashion, that if they were going to go down, so was a whole host of other colleagues via 20 years of dirt collection in the force. A short time later the officer was paraded shaking hands with senior officers in the local beat magazine, brandishing his long service and good conduct medal and talking about his retirement looking forward to his second coming career. The case in point is how many of these are there in not only this service but other civil services ? We go on the fight with crime and how to go about it, but when we come up with remarks like that have been brandished above in the comments made after my first post, who is the criminal ? This is not Judge Dread or Robocop and we do not live in a post Orwellian, William F. Nolan and George Clayton Johnson novel ! The only way to fight crime is to do it with dignity and honesty, trying to fight fire, with fire, is like something out of a Sylvester Stallone movie ie The Cobra “Your The Decease I Am The Cure” attitude. Stop & Search was discriminatory and was a bad thing especially towards Ethnic Minorities. It took a sensible government like the Tories to cut out this Nanny state, free for all the Reds gave us. You lot don't like it because the ConDem’s have been kicking government departments into the touches of reality. Look at how many Doctors, Dentists, Teachers and Opticians that have been suspended since January, some have been struck off, and Police Officers too. Crime and injustice is everywhere and not just with the criminals !
Your still missing the point.. and tarring all police officers with the same brush is wrong. I don't want a police state but I also don't want a lawless state. 99.9 % of police work hard and do a great job with little or no thanks.
It could be said about anything in life. I did a number of years in the army, there was good and bad in that but all said and done our forces do a great job protecting is.
We forget about terrorists and without the security forces and police many people would be at risk. Look at what is going on in the rest of the world, carnage everywhere, this is a decent safe country which we owe to the government's, whatever party, and the people who serve us. Like I said the only people who seem to complain are the people who have something to hide. I am actually sick and tired when people go on about the fact that police are only targeting people because of the colour of there skin. Total rubbish.
Keep telling yourself you right but when your able to comprehend the truth and your eyes are finally open seek mental health treatment if not for yourself but for the safety of those you care for.
[quote][p][bold]andyman1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheBrotherhoodOfTheB ell[/bold] wrote: Well I notice a number of new gazette handles above that don't appear to be local. I will explain myself a little further. Police that break the rules venture into the grey areas of where crime prevention and protection become divorced via the original action that was taken to act on it in the first place. Comments above such as do whatever it takes to get scum off the street, even advocating breaking the law to enforce a law steps into existentialism territory circa Jean Paul Sarte'. A mate of mine once told me of an incident many years ago in a northern force. An officer of 20 years service, took a vehicle and went to a festive party whilst on duty, they got a little worse for wear, so while on shift they decided to go home and sleep it off. On the way home in their nearby street, they ping ponged the vehicle into a number of stationary parked cars then crashed into a garden wall hitting the side of a building, they got out walked home and got into bed. The next minute there was a knock on the door from colleagues asking where officer Bloggs was ? Upon walking past their respective partner they went up stairs to find the officer asleep in bed in their uniform. Well the subsequent furore took place etc. The Police federation provided suitable legal representation to which the officer was relinquished of all allegations made against them, presumably the Nick Mason style lawyer made mincemeat of the motoring case. The officer then appeared before an internal disciplinary panel, it was made clear in a round about the houses fashion, that if they were going to go down, so was a whole host of other colleagues via 20 years of dirt collection in the force. A short time later the officer was paraded shaking hands with senior officers in the local beat magazine, brandishing his long service and good conduct medal and talking about his retirement looking forward to his second coming career. The case in point is how many of these are there in not only this service but other civil services ? We go on the fight with crime and how to go about it, but when we come up with remarks like that have been brandished above in the comments made after my first post, who is the criminal ? This is not Judge Dread or Robocop and we do not live in a post Orwellian, William F. Nolan and George Clayton Johnson novel ! The only way to fight crime is to do it with dignity and honesty, trying to fight fire, with fire, is like something out of a Sylvester Stallone movie ie The Cobra “Your The Decease I Am The Cure” attitude. Stop & Search was discriminatory and was a bad thing especially towards Ethnic Minorities. It took a sensible government like the Tories to cut out this Nanny state, free for all the Reds gave us. You lot don't like it because the ConDem’s have been kicking government departments into the touches of reality. Look at how many Doctors, Dentists, Teachers and Opticians that have been suspended since January, some have been struck off, and Police Officers too. Crime and injustice is everywhere and not just with the criminals ![/p][/quote]Your still missing the point.. and tarring all police officers with the same brush is wrong. I don't want a police state but I also don't want a lawless state. 99.9 % of police work hard and do a great job with little or no thanks. It could be said about anything in life. I did a number of years in the army, there was good and bad in that but all said and done our forces do a great job protecting is. We forget about terrorists and without the security forces and police many people would be at risk. Look at what is going on in the rest of the world, carnage everywhere, this is a decent safe country which we owe to the government's, whatever party, and the people who serve us. Like I said the only people who seem to complain are the people who have something to hide. I am actually sick and tired when people go on about the fact that police are only targeting people because of the colour of there skin. Total rubbish.[/p][/quote]Keep telling yourself you right but when your able to comprehend the truth and your eyes are finally open seek mental health treatment if not for yourself but for the safety of those you care for. ORACUS
  • Score: -7

8:24am Wed 27 Aug 14

TheBrotherhoodOfTheBell says...

andyman1971 wrote:
TheBrotherhoodOfTheB

ell
wrote:
Well I notice a number of new gazette handles above that don't appear to be local. I will explain myself a little further. Police that break the rules venture into the grey areas of where crime prevention and protection become divorced via the original action that was taken to act on it in the first place. Comments above such as do whatever it takes to get scum off the street, even advocating breaking the law to enforce a law steps into existentialism territory circa Jean Paul Sarte'. A mate of mine once told me of an incident many years ago in a northern force. An officer of 20 years service, took a vehicle and went to a festive party whilst on duty, they got a little worse for wear, so while on shift they decided to go home and sleep it off. On the way home in their nearby street, they ping ponged the vehicle into a number of stationary parked cars then crashed into a garden wall hitting the side of a building, they got out walked home and got into bed. The next minute there was a knock on the door from colleagues asking where officer Bloggs was ? Upon walking past their respective partner they went up stairs to find the officer asleep in bed in their uniform. Well the subsequent furore took place etc. The Police federation provided suitable legal representation to which the officer was relinquished of all allegations made against them, presumably the Nick Mason style lawyer made mincemeat of the motoring case. The officer then appeared before an internal disciplinary panel, it was made clear in a round about the houses fashion, that if they were going to go down, so was a whole host of other colleagues via 20 years of dirt collection in the force. A short time later the officer was paraded shaking hands with senior officers in the local beat magazine, brandishing his long service and good conduct medal and talking about his retirement looking forward to his second coming career. The case in point is how many of these are there in not only this service but other civil services ? We go on the fight with crime and how to go about it, but when we come up with remarks like that have been brandished above in the comments made after my first post, who is the criminal ? This is not Judge Dread or Robocop and we do not live in a post Orwellian, William F. Nolan and George Clayton Johnson novel ! The only way to fight crime is to do it with dignity and honesty, trying to fight fire, with fire, is like something out of a Sylvester Stallone movie ie The Cobra “Your The Decease I Am The Cure” attitude. Stop & Search was discriminatory and was a bad thing especially towards Ethnic Minorities. It took a sensible government like the Tories to cut out this Nanny state, free for all the Reds gave us. You lot don't like it because the ConDem’s have been kicking government departments into the touches of reality. Look at how many Doctors, Dentists, Teachers and Opticians that have been suspended since January, some have been struck off, and Police Officers too. Crime and injustice is everywhere and not just with the criminals !
Your still missing the point.. and tarring all police officers with the same brush is wrong. I don't want a police state but I also don't want a lawless state. 99.9 % of police work hard and do a great job with little or no thanks.
It could be said about anything in life. I did a number of years in the army, there was good and bad in that but all said and done our forces do a great job protecting is.
We forget about terrorists and without the security forces and police many people would be at risk. Look at what is going on in the rest of the world, carnage everywhere, this is a decent safe country which we owe to the government's, whatever party, and the people who serve us. Like I said the only people who seem to complain are the people who have something to hide. I am actually sick and tired when people go on about the fact that police are only targeting people because of the colour of there skin. Total rubbish.
1. http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-sou
th-yorkshire-2894770
7

2. http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-28935733
[quote][p][bold]andyman1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheBrotherhoodOfTheB ell[/bold] wrote: Well I notice a number of new gazette handles above that don't appear to be local. I will explain myself a little further. Police that break the rules venture into the grey areas of where crime prevention and protection become divorced via the original action that was taken to act on it in the first place. Comments above such as do whatever it takes to get scum off the street, even advocating breaking the law to enforce a law steps into existentialism territory circa Jean Paul Sarte'. A mate of mine once told me of an incident many years ago in a northern force. An officer of 20 years service, took a vehicle and went to a festive party whilst on duty, they got a little worse for wear, so while on shift they decided to go home and sleep it off. On the way home in their nearby street, they ping ponged the vehicle into a number of stationary parked cars then crashed into a garden wall hitting the side of a building, they got out walked home and got into bed. The next minute there was a knock on the door from colleagues asking where officer Bloggs was ? Upon walking past their respective partner they went up stairs to find the officer asleep in bed in their uniform. Well the subsequent furore took place etc. The Police federation provided suitable legal representation to which the officer was relinquished of all allegations made against them, presumably the Nick Mason style lawyer made mincemeat of the motoring case. The officer then appeared before an internal disciplinary panel, it was made clear in a round about the houses fashion, that if they were going to go down, so was a whole host of other colleagues via 20 years of dirt collection in the force. A short time later the officer was paraded shaking hands with senior officers in the local beat magazine, brandishing his long service and good conduct medal and talking about his retirement looking forward to his second coming career. The case in point is how many of these are there in not only this service but other civil services ? We go on the fight with crime and how to go about it, but when we come up with remarks like that have been brandished above in the comments made after my first post, who is the criminal ? This is not Judge Dread or Robocop and we do not live in a post Orwellian, William F. Nolan and George Clayton Johnson novel ! The only way to fight crime is to do it with dignity and honesty, trying to fight fire, with fire, is like something out of a Sylvester Stallone movie ie The Cobra “Your The Decease I Am The Cure” attitude. Stop & Search was discriminatory and was a bad thing especially towards Ethnic Minorities. It took a sensible government like the Tories to cut out this Nanny state, free for all the Reds gave us. You lot don't like it because the ConDem’s have been kicking government departments into the touches of reality. Look at how many Doctors, Dentists, Teachers and Opticians that have been suspended since January, some have been struck off, and Police Officers too. Crime and injustice is everywhere and not just with the criminals ![/p][/quote]Your still missing the point.. and tarring all police officers with the same brush is wrong. I don't want a police state but I also don't want a lawless state. 99.9 % of police work hard and do a great job with little or no thanks. It could be said about anything in life. I did a number of years in the army, there was good and bad in that but all said and done our forces do a great job protecting is. We forget about terrorists and without the security forces and police many people would be at risk. Look at what is going on in the rest of the world, carnage everywhere, this is a decent safe country which we owe to the government's, whatever party, and the people who serve us. Like I said the only people who seem to complain are the people who have something to hide. I am actually sick and tired when people go on about the fact that police are only targeting people because of the colour of there skin. Total rubbish.[/p][/quote]1. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-sou th-yorkshire-2894770 7 2. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-28935733 TheBrotherhoodOfTheBell
  • Score: 2

8:25am Wed 27 Aug 14

andyman1971 says...

ORACUS wrote:
andyman1971 wrote:
TheBrotherhoodOfTheB


ell
wrote:
Well I notice a number of new gazette handles above that don't appear to be local. I will explain myself a little further. Police that break the rules venture into the grey areas of where crime prevention and protection become divorced via the original action that was taken to act on it in the first place. Comments above such as do whatever it takes to get scum off the street, even advocating breaking the law to enforce a law steps into existentialism territory circa Jean Paul Sarte'. A mate of mine once told me of an incident many years ago in a northern force. An officer of 20 years service, took a vehicle and went to a festive party whilst on duty, they got a little worse for wear, so while on shift they decided to go home and sleep it off. On the way home in their nearby street, they ping ponged the vehicle into a number of stationary parked cars then crashed into a garden wall hitting the side of a building, they got out walked home and got into bed. The next minute there was a knock on the door from colleagues asking where officer Bloggs was ? Upon walking past their respective partner they went up stairs to find the officer asleep in bed in their uniform. Well the subsequent furore took place etc. The Police federation provided suitable legal representation to which the officer was relinquished of all allegations made against them, presumably the Nick Mason style lawyer made mincemeat of the motoring case. The officer then appeared before an internal disciplinary panel, it was made clear in a round about the houses fashion, that if they were going to go down, so was a whole host of other colleagues via 20 years of dirt collection in the force. A short time later the officer was paraded shaking hands with senior officers in the local beat magazine, brandishing his long service and good conduct medal and talking about his retirement looking forward to his second coming career. The case in point is how many of these are there in not only this service but other civil services ? We go on the fight with crime and how to go about it, but when we come up with remarks like that have been brandished above in the comments made after my first post, who is the criminal ? This is not Judge Dread or Robocop and we do not live in a post Orwellian, William F. Nolan and George Clayton Johnson novel ! The only way to fight crime is to do it with dignity and honesty, trying to fight fire, with fire, is like something out of a Sylvester Stallone movie ie The Cobra “Your The Decease I Am The Cure” attitude. Stop & Search was discriminatory and was a bad thing especially towards Ethnic Minorities. It took a sensible government like the Tories to cut out this Nanny state, free for all the Reds gave us. You lot don't like it because the ConDem’s have been kicking government departments into the touches of reality. Look at how many Doctors, Dentists, Teachers and Opticians that have been suspended since January, some have been struck off, and Police Officers too. Crime and injustice is everywhere and not just with the criminals !
Your still missing the point.. and tarring all police officers with the same brush is wrong. I don't want a police state but I also don't want a lawless state. 99.9 % of police work hard and do a great job with little or no thanks.
It could be said about anything in life. I did a number of years in the army, there was good and bad in that but all said and done our forces do a great job protecting is.
We forget about terrorists and without the security forces and police many people would be at risk. Look at what is going on in the rest of the world, carnage everywhere, this is a decent safe country which we owe to the government's, whatever party, and the people who serve us. Like I said the only people who seem to complain are the people who have something to hide. I am actually sick and tired when people go on about the fact that police are only targeting people because of the colour of there skin. Total rubbish.
Keep telling yourself you right but when your able to comprehend the truth and your eyes are finally open seek mental health treatment if not for yourself but for the safety of those you care for.
Think your the deluded one who needs the help. Your clearly living in a world of fairies
[quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyman1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheBrotherhoodOfTheB ell[/bold] wrote: Well I notice a number of new gazette handles above that don't appear to be local. I will explain myself a little further. Police that break the rules venture into the grey areas of where crime prevention and protection become divorced via the original action that was taken to act on it in the first place. Comments above such as do whatever it takes to get scum off the street, even advocating breaking the law to enforce a law steps into existentialism territory circa Jean Paul Sarte'. A mate of mine once told me of an incident many years ago in a northern force. An officer of 20 years service, took a vehicle and went to a festive party whilst on duty, they got a little worse for wear, so while on shift they decided to go home and sleep it off. On the way home in their nearby street, they ping ponged the vehicle into a number of stationary parked cars then crashed into a garden wall hitting the side of a building, they got out walked home and got into bed. The next minute there was a knock on the door from colleagues asking where officer Bloggs was ? Upon walking past their respective partner they went up stairs to find the officer asleep in bed in their uniform. Well the subsequent furore took place etc. The Police federation provided suitable legal representation to which the officer was relinquished of all allegations made against them, presumably the Nick Mason style lawyer made mincemeat of the motoring case. The officer then appeared before an internal disciplinary panel, it was made clear in a round about the houses fashion, that if they were going to go down, so was a whole host of other colleagues via 20 years of dirt collection in the force. A short time later the officer was paraded shaking hands with senior officers in the local beat magazine, brandishing his long service and good conduct medal and talking about his retirement looking forward to his second coming career. The case in point is how many of these are there in not only this service but other civil services ? We go on the fight with crime and how to go about it, but when we come up with remarks like that have been brandished above in the comments made after my first post, who is the criminal ? This is not Judge Dread or Robocop and we do not live in a post Orwellian, William F. Nolan and George Clayton Johnson novel ! The only way to fight crime is to do it with dignity and honesty, trying to fight fire, with fire, is like something out of a Sylvester Stallone movie ie The Cobra “Your The Decease I Am The Cure” attitude. Stop & Search was discriminatory and was a bad thing especially towards Ethnic Minorities. It took a sensible government like the Tories to cut out this Nanny state, free for all the Reds gave us. You lot don't like it because the ConDem’s have been kicking government departments into the touches of reality. Look at how many Doctors, Dentists, Teachers and Opticians that have been suspended since January, some have been struck off, and Police Officers too. Crime and injustice is everywhere and not just with the criminals ![/p][/quote]Your still missing the point.. and tarring all police officers with the same brush is wrong. I don't want a police state but I also don't want a lawless state. 99.9 % of police work hard and do a great job with little or no thanks. It could be said about anything in life. I did a number of years in the army, there was good and bad in that but all said and done our forces do a great job protecting is. We forget about terrorists and without the security forces and police many people would be at risk. Look at what is going on in the rest of the world, carnage everywhere, this is a decent safe country which we owe to the government's, whatever party, and the people who serve us. Like I said the only people who seem to complain are the people who have something to hide. I am actually sick and tired when people go on about the fact that police are only targeting people because of the colour of there skin. Total rubbish.[/p][/quote]Keep telling yourself you right but when your able to comprehend the truth and your eyes are finally open seek mental health treatment if not for yourself but for the safety of those you care for.[/p][/quote]Think your the deluded one who needs the help. Your clearly living in a world of fairies andyman1971
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8:46am Wed 27 Aug 14

Nom De Plume says...

andyman1971

They kept this one quiet in our locals ?

http://www.thurrockg
azette.co.uk/news/11
422615.Essex_Police_
sack_Grays_based_off
icer_on_grounds_of_g
ross_misconduct/?act
ion=success#comments


Do you read mate ? I can give you some more ?
andyman1971 They kept this one quiet in our locals ? http://www.thurrockg azette.co.uk/news/11 422615.Essex_Police_ sack_Grays_based_off icer_on_grounds_of_g ross_misconduct/?act ion=success#comments Do you read mate ? I can give you some more ? Nom De Plume
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10:51am Thu 28 Aug 14

calamity says...

You have lost me. Keep it simple boys. For or against. Simples
You have lost me. Keep it simple boys. For or against. Simples calamity
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