High Court judges reject whole life tariff protest

Gazette: Life means life, Appeal Court decides Life means life, Appeal Court decides

Leading judges have today given a crucial ruling backing the use of whole-life sentences.

A panel of five judges, headed by the Lord Chief Justice Lord Thomas, announced their decision on controversial "life-means-life" orders at the Court of Appeal in London.

The decision follows a successful appeal to the European Court of Human Rights by convicted murdererJeremy Bamber along with Douglas Vinter and Peter Moore.

Last year the trio won a ruling that their whole-life sentences amount to "inhuman and degrading treatment".

Bamber was jailed for life in 1986 for the murders of his parents June and Nevill Bamber, his sister Sheila Caffell and her twin sons, Daniel and Nicholas, six, at White House Farm in Tolleshunt D'Arcy.

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11:32am Tue 18 Feb 14

Route88 says...

I am sure his legal advisers will find yet another appeal route for him to take at the expense of the public purse!
I am sure his legal advisers will find yet another appeal route for him to take at the expense of the public purse! Route88
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11:56am Tue 18 Feb 14

Jack222 says...

I think everyone should be able to be offered hope. If life means life why behave in prison? What happens if you do over many years convert to a holy life?
I think everyone should be able to be offered hope. If life means life why behave in prison? What happens if you do over many years convert to a holy life? Jack222
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12:28pm Tue 18 Feb 14

The Stinker Returns says...

The inconsistencies and errors that occurred during the investigation into the Bamber murders are constantly being unearthed. Jeremy Bamber has passed lie detector tests and it has been proven that it was possible that his sister could have, and most probably did, commit the murders. Sheila Caffell's death occurred at a time when Jeremy was standing outside the property with the police. It was very convenient for Jeremy to take the blame. Therefore, he deserves every chance of freedom, and not a day too soon.
The inconsistencies and errors that occurred during the investigation into the Bamber murders are constantly being unearthed. Jeremy Bamber has passed lie detector tests and it has been proven that it was possible that his sister could have, and most probably did, commit the murders. Sheila Caffell's death occurred at a time when Jeremy was standing outside the property with the police. It was very convenient for Jeremy to take the blame. Therefore, he deserves every chance of freedom, and not a day too soon. The Stinker Returns
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12:45pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Citizen35 says...

The Stinker Returns wrote:
The inconsistencies and errors that occurred during the investigation into the Bamber murders are constantly being unearthed. Jeremy Bamber has passed lie detector tests and it has been proven that it was possible that his sister could have, and most probably did, commit the murders. Sheila Caffell's death occurred at a time when Jeremy was standing outside the property with the police. It was very convenient for Jeremy to take the blame. Therefore, he deserves every chance of freedom, and not a day too soon.
Totally agree with you
[quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote: The inconsistencies and errors that occurred during the investigation into the Bamber murders are constantly being unearthed. Jeremy Bamber has passed lie detector tests and it has been proven that it was possible that his sister could have, and most probably did, commit the murders. Sheila Caffell's death occurred at a time when Jeremy was standing outside the property with the police. It was very convenient for Jeremy to take the blame. Therefore, he deserves every chance of freedom, and not a day too soon.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you Citizen35
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1:39pm Tue 18 Feb 14

wormshero says...

The Stinker Returns wrote:
The inconsistencies and errors that occurred during the investigation into the Bamber murders are constantly being unearthed. Jeremy Bamber has passed lie detector tests and it has been proven that it was possible that his sister could have, and most probably did, commit the murders. Sheila Caffell's death occurred at a time when Jeremy was standing outside the property with the police. It was very convenient for Jeremy to take the blame. Therefore, he deserves every chance of freedom, and not a day too soon.
I think that everyone should be given the chance to appeal, and people should be given a chance to reform in prison and rejoin the rest of society when proven to be so, but I don't get why lie detector tests should be mentioned; they don't work, provide unreliable results and are easy to falsify so have no place in a conviction/proving innocence.

I will admit there are certain undesirables for whom I think "life means life" is good both for the public and themselves, to avoid "mob justice".
[quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote: The inconsistencies and errors that occurred during the investigation into the Bamber murders are constantly being unearthed. Jeremy Bamber has passed lie detector tests and it has been proven that it was possible that his sister could have, and most probably did, commit the murders. Sheila Caffell's death occurred at a time when Jeremy was standing outside the property with the police. It was very convenient for Jeremy to take the blame. Therefore, he deserves every chance of freedom, and not a day too soon.[/p][/quote]I think that everyone should be given the chance to appeal, and people should be given a chance to reform in prison and rejoin the rest of society when proven to be so, but I don't get why lie detector tests should be mentioned; they don't work, provide unreliable results and are easy to falsify so have no place in a conviction/proving innocence. I will admit there are certain undesirables for whom I think "life means life" is good both for the public and themselves, to avoid "mob justice". wormshero
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2:15pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Route88 says...

Jack222 wrote:
I think everyone should be able to be offered hope. If life means life why behave in prison? What happens if you do over many years convert to a holy life?
If (and I accept some people have doubts about his convictions) Jeremy Bamber did murder his adoptive parent, his sister and two young children in cold blood and for money I am unable to see why he should be offered any hope whatsoever. As for converting to a 'holy life', most long term prisoners would if it was to their advantage!
[quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: I think everyone should be able to be offered hope. If life means life why behave in prison? What happens if you do over many years convert to a holy life?[/p][/quote]If (and I accept some people have doubts about his convictions) Jeremy Bamber did murder his adoptive parent, his sister and two young children in cold blood and for money I am unable to see why he should be offered any hope whatsoever. As for converting to a 'holy life', most long term prisoners would if it was to their advantage! Route88
  • Score: 1

2:59pm Tue 18 Feb 14

wormshero says...

Route88 wrote:
Jack222 wrote:
I think everyone should be able to be offered hope. If life means life why behave in prison? What happens if you do over many years convert to a holy life?
If (and I accept some people have doubts about his convictions) Jeremy Bamber did murder his adoptive parent, his sister and two young children in cold blood and for money I am unable to see why he should be offered any hope whatsoever. As for converting to a 'holy life', most long term prisoners would if it was to their advantage!
While I don't see any benefit to converting to a holy life (religion should have nothing do to with it when religion is responsible for so many deaths in the world...), people who have spent 20 years locked up in prison and have demonstrated good behavior within prison are fairly low risk if released into the public. People would demonstrate good behaviour if it were to their advantage? Well, that's how it works at the moment, yet not everyone in prison is able to demonstrate good behavior. Besides, lets say you did 15 years minimum for murder, released early for good behavior and showing both remorse and that you were a changed man; would you then recommit and spend another 20 years + the original sentence inside, having endured so long in that situation? Rehabilitation of criminals has been proven to work, despite the tiny percentage of reoffenders who the media pick up on (understandably, who'd read news about a murderer now working a 9-5?)
[quote][p][bold]Route88[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote: I think everyone should be able to be offered hope. If life means life why behave in prison? What happens if you do over many years convert to a holy life?[/p][/quote]If (and I accept some people have doubts about his convictions) Jeremy Bamber did murder his adoptive parent, his sister and two young children in cold blood and for money I am unable to see why he should be offered any hope whatsoever. As for converting to a 'holy life', most long term prisoners would if it was to their advantage![/p][/quote]While I don't see any benefit to converting to a holy life (religion should have nothing do to with it when religion is responsible for so many deaths in the world...), people who have spent 20 years locked up in prison and have demonstrated good behavior within prison are fairly low risk if released into the public. People would demonstrate good behaviour if it were to their advantage? Well, that's how it works at the moment, yet not everyone in prison is able to demonstrate good behavior. Besides, lets say you did 15 years minimum for murder, released early for good behavior and showing both remorse and that you were a changed man; would you then recommit and spend another 20 years + the original sentence inside, having endured so long in that situation? Rehabilitation of criminals has been proven to work, despite the tiny percentage of reoffenders who the media pick up on (understandably, who'd read news about a murderer now working a 9-5?) wormshero
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4:35pm Tue 18 Feb 14

Jess Jephcott says...

A certain group of people on this iste seem to think they know better than the court over the Bamber business. This has been looked at time and time again yet they still persist. Why is that? Is it a case of contempt for the law that is there to protect us all - or what?
A certain group of people on this iste seem to think they know better than the court over the Bamber business. This has been looked at time and time again yet they still persist. Why is that? Is it a case of contempt for the law that is there to protect us all - or what? Jess Jephcott
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