Hotel plan delayed for the FOURTH time

Gazette: Frustrating – councillor Tim Young outside the “eyesore” Royal Mail depot due to make way for a Premier Inn Frustrating – councillor Tim Young outside the “eyesore” Royal Mail depot due to make way for a Premier Inn

PLANS to build a hotel on the doorstep of Colchester’s Castle Park have been delayed for the fourth time.

In the latest in a series of challenges, Jo Hayes, a Lib Dem for Colchester’s Council’s Castle ward, has made a new plea for a judicial review.

The council gave Whitbread planning permission to build a Premier Inn hotel in St Peter’s Street in September 2012.

But 16 months on, no work has taken place to demolish the former Royal Mail depot and build the three-and-a-half-storey 85-room hotel.

Mrs Hayes claims planners were not given the full facts when they agreed the proposal.

On Monday, after being told her written submissions to the Court of Appeal calling for a judicial review had been rejected, Mrs Hayes applied for an oral hearing at that court.

Tim Young, councillor responsible for planning, said the prolonged legal battle had put the scheme, which would create 30 jobs, in jeopardy.

He said: “We’re doing our best to keep Whitbread keen while councillor Hayes employs the delaying tactics, because I’m sure that’s all they are.

“She’s taking it to extremes by taking it this far down the legal process. I’m confident we will win, but it’s very frustrating.

“It’s an eyesore, it’s stopping jobs in the construction industry and it’s stopping jobs in the hospitality industry.”

Last year, Mrs Hayes discovered through a freedom of information request Whitbread had been asked by Colchester Council if it was interested in an alternative site, Roman House and St James House, in Queen Street.

The land was nearer the top of a list of the council’s preferred sites for hotels.

In its planning submissions, Whitbread told the authority the site was not available.

Mrs Hayes launched unsuccessful paper and oral appeals to the Administrative Court in London before turning to the Court of Appeal.

It is believed this week’s bid, which calls on the Court of Appeal to order the Administrative Court to take a fresh look, is her final legal avenue.

If she is unsuccessful, Mrs Hayes faces a growing legal bill.

Although the former property lawyer has been able to use her expertise so far, she admits she must now hire an advocate Mr Young said the authority had spent £11,000 on the case.

If Mrs Hayes is unsuccessful, she will be sent that bill as well.

Mrs Hayes said none of the three judges who had so far ruled on the application were experts in planning law.

She said: “I hope eventually I will get this before someone who will take this seriously.

“If they didn’t even consider a relevant fact then they ought to reconsider. It has been an uphill battle, but I have said I will battle it all the way and that’s what I’m doing.”

No one from Whitbread was available for comment.

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8:28am Thu 9 Jan 14

angryman!!! says...

Wow well done you, 11k spent, and were down 30 jobs for the town, we have a horrid looking unused building (prime for being burned down), and a lack of hotel beds just to make sure that tourists aren't tempted to come here.
Mrs Hayes I'm not sure who you are working for but it's not the people of Colchester, shame on you!
Wow well done you, 11k spent, and were down 30 jobs for the town, we have a horrid looking unused building (prime for being burned down), and a lack of hotel beds just to make sure that tourists aren't tempted to come here. Mrs Hayes I'm not sure who you are working for but it's not the people of Colchester, shame on you! angryman!!!

9:33am Thu 9 Jan 14

sandgronun64 says...

angryman!!! wrote:
Wow well done you, 11k spent, and were down 30 jobs for the town, we have a horrid looking unused building (prime for being burned down), and a lack of hotel beds just to make sure that tourists aren't tempted to come here.
Mrs Hayes I'm not sure who you are working for but it's not the people of Colchester, shame on you!
So people are going to be tempted here because it is a 'Premier Inn?'

Is that what really tempts people to a town? if so, they can go to the Albert (a premier Inn) not so much as a mile away.

A survey in 2011 found that over a year, only half of Colcchester's bed spaces (B&B, Hotel, etc) were filled by visitors. If Premier Inn build this one they will then, simply take trade from other establishments, possibly resulting in job losses there.

What Colchester needs is attractions to get people here. Attractions that actually interest people. The whole fiasco surrounding the VAF, merely illustrates to me, that there is no cogent policy toward tourism for the town.

Give them a reason to come first.

By the way, if anyone would like to see a good example of a tourist model, think York, think Bath ... think anywhere where there is something to occupy an average family for more than a day.
[quote][p][bold]angryman!!![/bold] wrote: Wow well done you, 11k spent, and were down 30 jobs for the town, we have a horrid looking unused building (prime for being burned down), and a lack of hotel beds just to make sure that tourists aren't tempted to come here. Mrs Hayes I'm not sure who you are working for but it's not the people of Colchester, shame on you![/p][/quote]So people are going to be tempted here because it is a 'Premier Inn?' Is that what really tempts people to a town? if so, they can go to the Albert (a premier Inn) not so much as a mile away. A survey in 2011 found that over a year, only half of Colcchester's bed spaces (B&B, Hotel, etc) were filled by visitors. If Premier Inn build this one they will then, simply take trade from other establishments, possibly resulting in job losses there. What Colchester needs is attractions to get people here. Attractions that actually interest people. The whole fiasco surrounding the VAF, merely illustrates to me, that there is no cogent policy toward tourism for the town. Give them a reason to come first. By the way, if anyone would like to see a good example of a tourist model, think York, think Bath ... think anywhere where there is something to occupy an average family for more than a day. sandgronun64

9:58am Thu 9 Jan 14

angryman!!! says...

Actually yes premier inn would attract people. Many people simply want to get away for a weekend, large chain hotels (love them or hate them) offer people a cheap way of doing this to a standard that they know what to expect.
You say about attractions but surely it's a chicken and egg scenario, why are people going to build attractions if there's no accommodation for visitors, so if someone is willing to get the ball rolling at there expense surely that's a good thing.
Also on attractions a large castle museum surrounded by huge lovely park, a large zoo is more than what most town offers, coupled with art gallery's, and decent shopping new arts cinema coming up I think lots of people would be interested.
So somebody did survey, good for them. My only experience with Colcheter hotels is during weekend and not being able to get family/friends rooms for weddings and get togethers. Maybe during the week there is less demand and also there are a lot of hotels like the one next to the bridge on north station road that have rooms but I wouldn't let my dog stay there.
Surely a hotel is better than an empty building and will help with completion for towns hotels. Places like the George and red lion used to be really good but judging by bars and restaurants they've gone down hill.
Actually yes premier inn would attract people. Many people simply want to get away for a weekend, large chain hotels (love them or hate them) offer people a cheap way of doing this to a standard that they know what to expect. You say about attractions but surely it's a chicken and egg scenario, why are people going to build attractions if there's no accommodation for visitors, so if someone is willing to get the ball rolling at there expense surely that's a good thing. Also on attractions a large castle museum surrounded by huge lovely park, a large zoo is more than what most town offers, coupled with art gallery's, and decent shopping new arts cinema coming up I think lots of people would be interested. So somebody did survey, good for them. My only experience with Colcheter hotels is during weekend and not being able to get family/friends rooms for weddings and get togethers. Maybe during the week there is less demand and also there are a lot of hotels like the one next to the bridge on north station road that have rooms but I wouldn't let my dog stay there. Surely a hotel is better than an empty building and will help with completion for towns hotels. Places like the George and red lion used to be really good but judging by bars and restaurants they've gone down hill. angryman!!!

10:14am Thu 9 Jan 14

sandgronun64 says...

angryman!!! wrote:
Actually yes premier inn would attract people. Many people simply want to get away for a weekend, large chain hotels (love them or hate them) offer people a cheap way of doing this to a standard that they know what to expect.
You say about attractions but surely it's a chicken and egg scenario, why are people going to build attractions if there's no accommodation for visitors, so if someone is willing to get the ball rolling at there expense surely that's a good thing.
Also on attractions a large castle museum surrounded by huge lovely park, a large zoo is more than what most town offers, coupled with art gallery's, and decent shopping new arts cinema coming up I think lots of people would be interested.
So somebody did survey, good for them. My only experience with Colcheter hotels is during weekend and not being able to get family/friends rooms for weddings and get togethers. Maybe during the week there is less demand and also there are a lot of hotels like the one next to the bridge on north station road that have rooms but I wouldn't let my dog stay there.
Surely a hotel is better than an empty building and will help with completion for towns hotels. Places like the George and red lion used to be really good but judging by bars and restaurants they've gone down hill.
Let's get this straight. I regularly stay in premier inns all over the country. They are a budget hotel chain, nothing more than that.

If there is so much to do in Colchester, then why on Earth are people not flocking here in their droves already?

Tourists 'vote with their feet'. Colchester currently has a 'low turnout.'

Oh, and by the way, surveys (carried out by the East of England Tourist Board) are carried out to assess what is actually happening in an area, and give reliable data as to what potential may exist for future development, including demand for Hotels. There is currently no evidence of substantive rise in demand for hotel bed spaces in the town. Premier Inn merely want to obtain a larger share of what is a limited market.

My point?

Its construstion will not attract 'new' business, nor will it improve employment within the already oversaturated Hotel and Hospitality Sector in Colchester.

I do agree that the site needs developing, and is currently an eyesore, but strongly question whether this is the best answer in the long term for the Dutch Quarter, its residents and the future of tourism in the town.
[quote][p][bold]angryman!!![/bold] wrote: Actually yes premier inn would attract people. Many people simply want to get away for a weekend, large chain hotels (love them or hate them) offer people a cheap way of doing this to a standard that they know what to expect. You say about attractions but surely it's a chicken and egg scenario, why are people going to build attractions if there's no accommodation for visitors, so if someone is willing to get the ball rolling at there expense surely that's a good thing. Also on attractions a large castle museum surrounded by huge lovely park, a large zoo is more than what most town offers, coupled with art gallery's, and decent shopping new arts cinema coming up I think lots of people would be interested. So somebody did survey, good for them. My only experience with Colcheter hotels is during weekend and not being able to get family/friends rooms for weddings and get togethers. Maybe during the week there is less demand and also there are a lot of hotels like the one next to the bridge on north station road that have rooms but I wouldn't let my dog stay there. Surely a hotel is better than an empty building and will help with completion for towns hotels. Places like the George and red lion used to be really good but judging by bars and restaurants they've gone down hill.[/p][/quote]Let's get this straight. I regularly stay in premier inns all over the country. They are a budget hotel chain, nothing more than that. If there is so much to do in Colchester, then why on Earth are people not flocking here in their droves already? Tourists 'vote with their feet'. Colchester currently has a 'low turnout.' Oh, and by the way, surveys (carried out by the East of England Tourist Board) are carried out to assess what is actually happening in an area, and give reliable data as to what potential may exist for future development, including demand for Hotels. There is currently no evidence of substantive rise in demand for hotel bed spaces in the town. Premier Inn merely want to obtain a larger share of what is a limited market. My point? Its construstion will not attract 'new' business, nor will it improve employment within the already oversaturated Hotel and Hospitality Sector in Colchester. I do agree that the site needs developing, and is currently an eyesore, but strongly question whether this is the best answer in the long term for the Dutch Quarter, its residents and the future of tourism in the town. sandgronun64

10:48am Thu 9 Jan 14

Douglas Park says...

sandgronun64 says...
A survey in 2011 found that over a year, only half of Colchester's bed spaces (B&B, Hotel, etc) were filled by visitors. If Premier Inn build this one they will then, simply take trade from other establishments, possibly resulting in job losses there.


For whom was the survey conducted and did it break occupancy down by category and /or season? You can't make a blanket statement on annual occupancy for a town without looking at spikes and trends as well as accommodation types.

I'd be surprised, if demand for comfortable, clean, mid-priced accommodation wasn't running at 90% capacity most weekends. Room rates in Colchester seem to be slightly higher than average whenever I've looked for accommodation here. Mid-week occupancy may be lower, especially for leisure guests. Whitbread would certainly not be wanting to build a 3rd Premier Inn in Colchester if the demand were not there.
[quote][b]sandgronun64[/b] says... A survey in 2011 found that over a year, only half of Colchester's bed spaces (B&B, Hotel, etc) were filled by visitors. If Premier Inn build this one they will then, simply take trade from other establishments, possibly resulting in job losses there.[/quote] For whom was the survey conducted and did it break occupancy down by category and /or season? You can't make a blanket statement on annual occupancy for a town without looking at spikes and trends as well as accommodation types. I'd be surprised, if demand for comfortable, clean, mid-priced accommodation wasn't running at 90% capacity most weekends. Room rates in Colchester seem to be slightly higher than average whenever I've looked for accommodation here. Mid-week occupancy may be lower, especially for leisure guests. Whitbread would certainly not be wanting to build a 3rd Premier Inn in Colchester if the demand were not there. Douglas Park

10:55am Thu 9 Jan 14

TheCaptain says...

I've had IT contractors for me on various occasions who have not been able to find a hotel room. One occasion they had to stay in Polsted.
I've had IT contractors for me on various occasions who have not been able to find a hotel room. One occasion they had to stay in Polsted. TheCaptain

12:04pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Jess Jephcott says...

I regularly get complaints about a lack of tourist information about Colchester, especially its heritage. Also that the Visitor Information Centre is closed on Sundays. We are also told that Colchester Borough Council has no money to spend, which must therefore include the promotion of tourism. I have done my own survey of what heritage information can be found in the VIC and at our hotels. Quite frankly, it is appalling. We have so much, yet we are not shouting about it. Added to that, we have closed our castle museum and several others besides, Tymperleys, Social History, etc. Something needs to be done, and this new hotel, to my mind, is a sign that the applicant sees a good return for his money. I hope it gets the go ahead, but cannot see how our heritage complacent council can be made to see the missed opportunity of additional wealth creation through attracting more visitors. Quite recently, the Dutch have made a study of tourism potential in the Netherlands and came to the conclusion that every Euro that is spent on promoting tourism, produces a 3 Euro return. How can that sort of statistic be ignored here? Added to that, locating this hotel away from Silk Road can only help. Open your eyes Tim Young and others - please.
I regularly get complaints about a lack of tourist information about Colchester, especially its heritage. Also that the Visitor Information Centre is closed on Sundays. We are also told that Colchester Borough Council has no money to spend, which must therefore include the promotion of tourism. I have done my own survey of what heritage information can be found in the VIC and at our hotels. Quite frankly, it is appalling. We have so much, yet we are not shouting about it. Added to that, we have closed our castle museum and several others besides, Tymperleys, Social History, etc. Something needs to be done, and this new hotel, to my mind, is a sign that the applicant sees a good return for his money. I hope it gets the go ahead, but cannot see how our heritage complacent council can be made to see the missed opportunity of additional wealth creation through attracting more visitors. Quite recently, the Dutch have made a study of tourism potential in the Netherlands and came to the conclusion that every Euro that is spent on promoting tourism, produces a 3 Euro return. How can that sort of statistic be ignored here? Added to that, locating this hotel away from Silk Road can only help. Open your eyes Tim Young and others - please. Jess Jephcott

12:45pm Thu 9 Jan 14

YesIAm says...

Planning applications cannot be decided on the basis that there is a 'better' site elsewhere. It is not a material consideration as each application must be considered on its own merits...this must have stacked up on this site for it to be given permission.
She is therefore on a losing battle and all she is doing is wasting time and money!
Planning applications cannot be decided on the basis that there is a 'better' site elsewhere. It is not a material consideration as each application must be considered on its own merits...this must have stacked up on this site for it to be given permission. She is therefore on a losing battle and all she is doing is wasting time and money! YesIAm

1:24pm Thu 9 Jan 14

angryman!!! says...

Sand lets get it right again like I said then you said now I say again the premier inn is a bog standard chain. Thats why they are good for towns as people like to stick to what they know and they are especially good for cheap weekend breaks like you say you've stayed in them all over the country.
Also wouldn't agree with you about tourist not coming, Colchester zoo is the most visited attraction in the east anglia, the castle used to be well visited so I'm sure with its revamp will attract the same if not more.
The problem is there's not enough places to keep them. Also as mentioned why would premier inn, the hotel at top of east hill and the large kind wanting to be built at the river lodge all want to open if they didn't think they were viable, I very much question they would invest millions in it if they didn't think they could make money
Sand lets get it right again like I said then you said now I say again the premier inn is a bog standard chain. Thats why they are good for towns as people like to stick to what they know and they are especially good for cheap weekend breaks like you say you've stayed in them all over the country. Also wouldn't agree with you about tourist not coming, Colchester zoo is the most visited attraction in the east anglia, the castle used to be well visited so I'm sure with its revamp will attract the same if not more. The problem is there's not enough places to keep them. Also as mentioned why would premier inn, the hotel at top of east hill and the large kind wanting to be built at the river lodge all want to open if they didn't think they were viable, I very much question they would invest millions in it if they didn't think they could make money angryman!!!

1:34pm Thu 9 Jan 14

sandgronun64 says...

Douglas Park wrote:
sandgronun64 says...
A survey in 2011 found that over a year, only half of Colchester's bed spaces (B&B, Hotel, etc) were filled by visitors. If Premier Inn build this one they will then, simply take trade from other establishments, possibly resulting in job losses there.


For whom was the survey conducted and did it break occupancy down by category and /or season? You can't make a blanket statement on annual occupancy for a town without looking at spikes and trends as well as accommodation types.

I'd be surprised, if demand for comfortable, clean, mid-priced accommodation wasn't running at 90% capacity most weekends. Room rates in Colchester seem to be slightly higher than average whenever I've looked for accommodation here. Mid-week occupancy may be lower, especially for leisure guests. Whitbread would certainly not be wanting to build a 3rd Premier Inn in Colchester if the demand were not there.
The data of which I speak was gained from reports produced by East of England Tourism (EET), in particular its ‘Destination Benchmarking Report’ and its ‘Economic Impact of Tourism - Colchester Borough’ studies.

The above reports also highlighted that the majority of staying visitors to Colchester were staying with friends or relatives, accounting for 62% of the total. Visiting relatives is not the basis of tourism. New trade is needed. Just to illustrate the anomaly, compare the average figure for similar sized towns of 39% (average against Rochester, Windsor and Oxford).

Whatever figures I or anyone else cites though, the simple fact remains, that there is simply not enough for staying visitors to do in Colchester as it stands.

If anyone reading this article or thread thinks that there is, then they really need to get out a bit more and see the rest of the country (that is the UK i.e. outside of N. Essex).
[quote][p][bold]Douglas Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][b]sandgronun64[/b] says... A survey in 2011 found that over a year, only half of Colchester's bed spaces (B&B, Hotel, etc) were filled by visitors. If Premier Inn build this one they will then, simply take trade from other establishments, possibly resulting in job losses there.[/quote] For whom was the survey conducted and did it break occupancy down by category and /or season? You can't make a blanket statement on annual occupancy for a town without looking at spikes and trends as well as accommodation types. I'd be surprised, if demand for comfortable, clean, mid-priced accommodation wasn't running at 90% capacity most weekends. Room rates in Colchester seem to be slightly higher than average whenever I've looked for accommodation here. Mid-week occupancy may be lower, especially for leisure guests. Whitbread would certainly not be wanting to build a 3rd Premier Inn in Colchester if the demand were not there.[/p][/quote]The data of which I speak was gained from reports produced by East of England Tourism (EET), in particular its ‘Destination Benchmarking Report’ and its ‘Economic Impact of Tourism - Colchester Borough’ studies. The above reports also highlighted that the majority of staying visitors to Colchester were staying with friends or relatives, accounting for 62% of the total. Visiting relatives is not the basis of tourism. New trade is needed. Just to illustrate the anomaly, compare the average figure for similar sized towns of 39% (average against Rochester, Windsor and Oxford). Whatever figures I or anyone else cites though, the simple fact remains, that there is simply not enough for staying visitors to do in Colchester as it stands. If anyone reading this article or thread thinks that there is, then they really need to get out a bit more and see the rest of the country (that is the UK i.e. outside of N. Essex). sandgronun64

1:36pm Thu 9 Jan 14

wardyt says...

angryman!!! wrote:
Actually yes premier inn would attract people. Many people simply want to get away for a weekend, large chain hotels (love them or hate them) offer people a cheap way of doing this to a standard that they know what to expect. You say about attractions but surely it's a chicken and egg scenario, why are people going to build attractions if there's no accommodation for visitors, so if someone is willing to get the ball rolling at there expense surely that's a good thing. Also on attractions a large castle museum surrounded by huge lovely park, a large zoo is more than what most town offers, coupled with art gallery's, and decent shopping new arts cinema coming up I think lots of people would be interested. So somebody did survey, good for them. My only experience with Colcheter hotels is during weekend and not being able to get family/friends rooms for weddings and get togethers. Maybe during the week there is less demand and also there are a lot of hotels like the one next to the bridge on north station road that have rooms but I wouldn't let my dog stay there. Surely a hotel is better than an empty building and will help with completion for towns hotels. Places like the George and red lion used to be really good but judging by bars and restaurants they've gone down hill.
Decent shopping - really !?
[quote][p][bold]angryman!!![/bold] wrote: Actually yes premier inn would attract people. Many people simply want to get away for a weekend, large chain hotels (love them or hate them) offer people a cheap way of doing this to a standard that they know what to expect. You say about attractions but surely it's a chicken and egg scenario, why are people going to build attractions if there's no accommodation for visitors, so if someone is willing to get the ball rolling at there expense surely that's a good thing. Also on attractions a large castle museum surrounded by huge lovely park, a large zoo is more than what most town offers, coupled with art gallery's, and decent shopping new arts cinema coming up I think lots of people would be interested. So somebody did survey, good for them. My only experience with Colcheter hotels is during weekend and not being able to get family/friends rooms for weddings and get togethers. Maybe during the week there is less demand and also there are a lot of hotels like the one next to the bridge on north station road that have rooms but I wouldn't let my dog stay there. Surely a hotel is better than an empty building and will help with completion for towns hotels. Places like the George and red lion used to be really good but judging by bars and restaurants they've gone down hill.[/p][/quote]Decent shopping - really !? wardyt

1:46pm Thu 9 Jan 14

sandgronun64 says...

Douglas Park wrote:
sandgronun64 says...
A survey in 2011 found that over a year, only half of Colchester's bed spaces (B&B, Hotel, etc) were filled by visitors. If Premier Inn build this one they will then, simply take trade from other establishments, possibly resulting in job losses there.


For whom was the survey conducted and did it break occupancy down by category and /or season? You can't make a blanket statement on annual occupancy for a town without looking at spikes and trends as well as accommodation types.

I'd be surprised, if demand for comfortable, clean, mid-priced accommodation wasn't running at 90% capacity most weekends. Room rates in Colchester seem to be slightly higher than average whenever I've looked for accommodation here. Mid-week occupancy may be lower, especially for leisure guests. Whitbread would certainly not be wanting to build a 3rd Premier Inn in Colchester if the demand were not there.
Just thought of something else.

Your comment "Whitbread would certainly not be wanting to build a 3rd Premier Inn in Colchester if the demand were not there." is a bit like saying, McDonalds or KFC would not want open another 'restaurant' if other eateries were already struggling. They frequently do, and other establishments remain under capacity.

Premier in, like the aforementioned fast food outlets move in to undercut existing provision. They are not pioneers.
[quote][p][bold]Douglas Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][b]sandgronun64[/b] says... A survey in 2011 found that over a year, only half of Colchester's bed spaces (B&B, Hotel, etc) were filled by visitors. If Premier Inn build this one they will then, simply take trade from other establishments, possibly resulting in job losses there.[/quote] For whom was the survey conducted and did it break occupancy down by category and /or season? You can't make a blanket statement on annual occupancy for a town without looking at spikes and trends as well as accommodation types. I'd be surprised, if demand for comfortable, clean, mid-priced accommodation wasn't running at 90% capacity most weekends. Room rates in Colchester seem to be slightly higher than average whenever I've looked for accommodation here. Mid-week occupancy may be lower, especially for leisure guests. Whitbread would certainly not be wanting to build a 3rd Premier Inn in Colchester if the demand were not there.[/p][/quote]Just thought of something else. Your comment "Whitbread would certainly not be wanting to build a 3rd Premier Inn in Colchester if the demand were not there." is a bit like saying, McDonalds or KFC would not want open another 'restaurant' if other eateries were already struggling. They frequently do, and other establishments remain under capacity. Premier in, like the aforementioned fast food outlets move in to undercut existing provision. They are not pioneers. sandgronun64

3:40pm Thu 9 Jan 14

angryman!!! says...

Well like I said Colchester has got enough to keep people for a day the zoo, castle, beaches just down the road countryside like Dedham.
It's the fact that I've travelled to lots of places I appreciate what Colchester has got to offer.
Well like I said Colchester has got enough to keep people for a day the zoo, castle, beaches just down the road countryside like Dedham. It's the fact that I've travelled to lots of places I appreciate what Colchester has got to offer. angryman!!!

3:51pm Thu 9 Jan 14

sandgronun64 says...

angryman!!! wrote:
Well like I said Colchester has got enough to keep people for a day the zoo, castle, beaches just down the road countryside like Dedham.
It's the fact that I've travelled to lots of places I appreciate what Colchester has got to offer.
Good, and you have the right to that opinion.

It is not that the attractions already extant here (in Colchester) are bad, just that there isnt enough to attract large numbers of people to stay for more than a day trip.

Like I say, your opinion ... unfortunately not shared by many tourists.

BTW, I have travelled to over 50 coutries on 5 continents, was born in a large tourist town and worked in that very industry as a younger man. WTF do I know about it then?
[quote][p][bold]angryman!!![/bold] wrote: Well like I said Colchester has got enough to keep people for a day the zoo, castle, beaches just down the road countryside like Dedham. It's the fact that I've travelled to lots of places I appreciate what Colchester has got to offer.[/p][/quote]Good, and you have the right to that opinion. It is not that the attractions already extant here (in Colchester) are bad, just that there isnt enough to attract large numbers of people to stay for more than a day trip. Like I say, your opinion ... unfortunately not shared by many tourists. BTW, I have travelled to over 50 coutries on 5 continents, was born in a large tourist town and worked in that very industry as a younger man. WTF do I know about it then? sandgronun64

4:54pm Thu 9 Jan 14

stevedawson says...

You couldn't make it up could you? Open the cage.
You couldn't make it up could you? Open the cage. stevedawson

4:58pm Thu 9 Jan 14

angryman!!! says...

Haha alright didn't realise you'd get precious over it. You win Judith chalmers.
Haha alright didn't realise you'd get precious over it. You win Judith chalmers. angryman!!!

8:42pm Thu 9 Jan 14

colchester300yrs says...

New houses, new hotels and new supermarkets. Really. How many more of these do we really need?
How will they advertise the rooms?
"Colchester - Britians oldest recorded town, full of crappy new buildings, chain stores, night clubs full of drunks, traffic jams, an art gallery full of scrap metal and the biggest commuter dormitory in the south east - but theres nothing historic to see or do, except skipping over last nights drunken vomit in St Botolphs St - and don't think theres any jobs here either"
New houses, new hotels and new supermarkets. Really. How many more of these do we really need? How will they advertise the rooms? "Colchester - Britians oldest recorded town, full of crappy new buildings, chain stores, night clubs full of drunks, traffic jams, an art gallery full of scrap metal and the biggest commuter dormitory in the south east - but theres nothing historic to see or do, except skipping over last nights drunken vomit in St Botolphs St - and don't think theres any jobs here either" colchester300yrs

10:09pm Thu 9 Jan 14

angryman!!! says...

Full of chain shops and clubs with drunks, liked the rest of the uk then?
Get over it no worse than any other town of its size prob better than a lot. Even in nice old Suffolk it wasn't that long ago I was in a club there was a shooting at least you don't get that in Colchester
Full of chain shops and clubs with drunks, liked the rest of the uk then? Get over it no worse than any other town of its size prob better than a lot. Even in nice old Suffolk it wasn't that long ago I was in a club there was a shooting at least you don't get that in Colchester angryman!!!

11:15am Fri 10 Jan 14

jut1972 says...

angryman!!! wrote:
Full of chain shops and clubs with drunks, liked the rest of the uk then?
Get over it no worse than any other town of its size prob better than a lot. Even in nice old Suffolk it wasn't that long ago I was in a club there was a shooting at least you don't get that in Colchester
We only have drive by shootings true.
[quote][p][bold]angryman!!![/bold] wrote: Full of chain shops and clubs with drunks, liked the rest of the uk then? Get over it no worse than any other town of its size prob better than a lot. Even in nice old Suffolk it wasn't that long ago I was in a club there was a shooting at least you don't get that in Colchester[/p][/quote]We only have drive by shootings true. jut1972

11:31am Mon 13 Jan 14

romantic says...

I'm with Jess on this one. We massively underplay our cultural heritage in this town. We could be up there on a par with places like York or Chester, but instead we seem to have an almost pathological anti-heritage stance from the council. The Castle, Walls, park and zoo do attract plenty of people, as does the general shopping in the town centre. We don't get nearly as many visitors as we could because we don't seem to market the place well. The VAF is almost invisible. I have had people stay for a weekend and not even know it was there. Whether or not you agree with it, the fact is it is there and we need it to succeed, as it is our money which has gone into it.

As for sandgronun's comments that a new Premier Inn would lead to losses at other places: that is called healthy competition. Places like the George and Red Lion have rested on their laurels and need a good kick up the backside to bring themselves back to good standards. Places like the Premier Inn may be a bit bland and soulless, but you know that you will get what you pay for. It is no frills, but if you're staying just a few minutes from the centre, it is just a place to sleep.

Midweek may be different, but certainly at weekends, most of the hotels seem to be pretty full. I have had to find rooms for clients at short notice and it can be difficult, so the demand is already there.
I'm with Jess on this one. We massively underplay our cultural heritage in this town. We could be up there on a par with places like York or Chester, but instead we seem to have an almost pathological anti-heritage stance from the council. The Castle, Walls, park and zoo do attract plenty of people, as does the general shopping in the town centre. We don't get nearly as many visitors as we could because we don't seem to market the place well. The VAF is almost invisible. I have had people stay for a weekend and not even know it was there. Whether or not you agree with it, the fact is it is there and we need it to succeed, as it is our money which has gone into it. As for sandgronun's comments that a new Premier Inn would lead to losses at other places: that is called healthy competition. Places like the George and Red Lion have rested on their laurels and need a good kick up the backside to bring themselves back to good standards. Places like the Premier Inn may be a bit bland and soulless, but you know that you will get what you pay for. It is no frills, but if you're staying just a few minutes from the centre, it is just a place to sleep. Midweek may be different, but certainly at weekends, most of the hotels seem to be pretty full. I have had to find rooms for clients at short notice and it can be difficult, so the demand is already there. romantic

12:35pm Mon 13 Jan 14

wormshero says...

colchester300yrs wrote:
New houses, new hotels and new supermarkets. Really. How many more of these do we really need?
How will they advertise the rooms?
"Colchester - Britians oldest recorded town, full of crappy new buildings, chain stores, night clubs full of drunks, traffic jams, an art gallery full of scrap metal and the biggest commuter dormitory in the south east - but theres nothing historic to see or do, except skipping over last nights drunken vomit in St Botolphs St - and don't think theres any jobs here either"
Colchester is a big town, and you can expect an increase in people and therefore homes, hotels and supermarkets are needed. Hotels are used for a variety of reasons and the fact that getting a room during the better season is occasionally difficult is a sign we need to increase capacity. If you're not a fan of living in a town, and subsequently having the additional facilities built that comes with an ever increasing population then there's likely a few villages in Essex that would be better suited. Times change and the population is only going up, thanks to people living longer etc. - there's nothing you can do about it. And every town has chain stores, night clubs full of drunks (and that's nothing new, lets not act like it is), traffic. It's also got a good history although, as Jess points out, we need to invest more in advertising it and stop shutting down/limiting hours to the town's history.
[quote][p][bold]colchester300yrs[/bold] wrote: New houses, new hotels and new supermarkets. Really. How many more of these do we really need? How will they advertise the rooms? "Colchester - Britians oldest recorded town, full of crappy new buildings, chain stores, night clubs full of drunks, traffic jams, an art gallery full of scrap metal and the biggest commuter dormitory in the south east - but theres nothing historic to see or do, except skipping over last nights drunken vomit in St Botolphs St - and don't think theres any jobs here either"[/p][/quote]Colchester is a big town, and you can expect an increase in people and therefore homes, hotels and supermarkets are needed. Hotels are used for a variety of reasons and the fact that getting a room during the better season is occasionally difficult is a sign we need to increase capacity. If you're not a fan of living in a town, and subsequently having the additional facilities built that comes with an ever increasing population then there's likely a few villages in Essex that would be better suited. Times change and the population is only going up, thanks to people living longer etc. - there's nothing you can do about it. And every town has chain stores, night clubs full of drunks (and that's nothing new, lets not act like it is), traffic. It's also got a good history although, as Jess points out, we need to invest more in advertising it and stop shutting down/limiting hours to the town's history. wormshero

9:03am Wed 15 Jan 14

stevedawson says...

Like on the tele, there's only one way to sort who's righr"FIGHT".
Like on the tele, there's only one way to sort who's righr"FIGHT". stevedawson

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